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		<title>By: Edgy &#124; Baltimore Meetup</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgy &#124; Baltimore Meetup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read more: Edgy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Now Surrender</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Now Surrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mesures annoncées ne vont rien changer, puisque la solution est ailleurs. Il faut tout de même noter l&#8217;extraordinaire performance du ministère de l&#8217;Intérieur [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mesures annoncées ne vont rien changer, puisque la solution est ailleurs. Il faut tout de même noter l&#8217;extraordinaire performance du ministère de l&#8217;Intérieur [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a headline about 10 years ago about city violence.  Seems the area around London in the 1340&#039;s had a murder rate per 100,000 that was 3 to 4 times that of Detroit in the 1990&#039;s.  Since that could not have been cause by a surfeit of Saturday Night Specials and assault rifles, I guess you could say that England is now boldly leading us back to the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a headline about 10 years ago about city violence.  Seems the area around London in the 1340&#8217;s had a murder rate per 100,000 that was 3 to 4 times that of Detroit in the 1990&#8217;s.  Since that could not have been cause by a surfeit of Saturday Night Specials and assault rifles, I guess you could say that England is now boldly leading us back to the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cause and Effect. Ordinary Brits are told by law to be cringing cowards, so the punks are emboldened. Time for British Bronsons and &quot;Death Wish III.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cause and Effect. Ordinary Brits are told by law to be cringing cowards, so the punks are emboldened. Time for British Bronsons and &#8220;Death Wish III.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Snowflakes in Hell » Quote of the Day</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowflakes in Hell » Quote of the Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Richard Fernandez of The Belmont Club: And as anyone who has mis-spent his youth can testify, what constitutes a bladed weapon is limited only by the imagination. A wine bottle rapped against a railing. An artfully folded aluminum can. Forks bent to fit around your hand. Ballpoint pens. Sticks cut at an angle. Flathead screwdrivers. Hard wire. Anyone who works in corrections knows that a determined man can make a weapon out of practically anything. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From Richard Fernandez of The Belmont Club: And as anyone who has mis-spent his youth can testify, what constitutes a bladed weapon is limited only by the imagination. A wine bottle rapped against a railing. An artfully folded aluminum can. Forks bent to fit around your hand. Ballpoint pens. Sticks cut at an angle. Flathead screwdrivers. Hard wire. Anyone who works in corrections knows that a determined man can make a weapon out of practically anything. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: james wilson</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>james wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first generation raised by liberal culture produced both predators not to be trusted with guns and prey too cowardly to defend themselves with them. Since now they are reduced to the same theatre but with knives, their world must necessarily be reduced to spoons. That is the object both sides in this play are most familiar with, having been born with this object of the liberal imagination in their mouths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first generation raised by liberal culture produced both predators not to be trusted with guns and prey too cowardly to defend themselves with them. Since now they are reduced to the same theatre but with knives, their world must necessarily be reduced to spoons. That is the object both sides in this play are most familiar with, having been born with this object of the liberal imagination in their mouths.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernie G</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-902</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was deeply shocked when I read of the deaths of the two French students. Then I noticed that the term &quot;burglary&quot; was used. In the United States, the term &quot;home invasion&quot; is used to describe this type of crime, and to distinguish it from what we call burglary: the illegal entry of an unoccupied building for the purpose of theft or mischief. Home invasions are less common in the United States because an invader can be met with deadly force. As another commenter (Peterike) said, &quot;And don’t forget, in Britain if you defend yourself from a crime and — heaven forbid — hurt your assailant, you are generally in far more legal trouble than they are.&quot;

So we have the spectacle of a citizen of a once-proud Empire, afraid to go out on the street, locked in his flat behind double-bolted doors, buttering his toast with his finger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was deeply shocked when I read of the deaths of the two French students. Then I noticed that the term &#8220;burglary&#8221; was used. In the United States, the term &#8220;home invasion&#8221; is used to describe this type of crime, and to distinguish it from what we call burglary: the illegal entry of an unoccupied building for the purpose of theft or mischief. Home invasions are less common in the United States because an invader can be met with deadly force. As another commenter (Peterike) said, &#8220;And don’t forget, in Britain if you defend yourself from a crime and — heaven forbid — hurt your assailant, you are generally in far more legal trouble than they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we have the spectacle of a citizen of a once-proud Empire, afraid to go out on the street, locked in his flat behind double-bolted doors, buttering his toast with his finger.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT. Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>CPT. Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: at what point did the term &#039;responsible human agency&#039; get deleted from British law?  When did it get erased from legal theory?

The selective denial of a key aspect of civil [and tort] law cannot be sustained indefinitely.  The system will collapse.

But then again, I suspect that&#039;s unspoken goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: at what point did the term &#8216;responsible human agency&#8217; get deleted from British law?  When did it get erased from legal theory?</p>
<p>The selective denial of a key aspect of civil [and tort] law cannot be sustained indefinitely.  The system will collapse.</p>
<p>But then again, I suspect that&#8217;s unspoken goal.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In the short term, only locking up a great amount of violent young men... &lt;/I&gt;

This has been AMerica&#039;s solution.  Now we&#039;re branching out into deporting the violent young men (and women), too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In the short term, only locking up a great amount of violent young men&#8230; </i></p>
<p>This has been AMerica&#8217;s solution.  Now we&#8217;re branching out into deporting the violent young men (and women), too.</p>
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		<title>By: sirius_sir</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/04/edgy/comment-page-1/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>sirius_sir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fact is, like knives, guns were routine fixtures in the lives of my parents and grandparents, but none thought to show up at school to massacre schoolmates or co-workers.&lt;/i&gt;

I remember when the idea of a school massacre first came to my attention. This predated Munich by roughly a decade and, as then, the perpetrators were followers of Arafat and the slaughtered were Jews.

To my mind the first incident remains the more shocking, mainly because these were adults who had gone out purposely to kill children. Can there be a more fundamental breakdown in the constraints that define civilization?

As I say, at the time I was shocked, possibly because I was no older than those slaughtered. It seemed a new kind of evil, but it had all been done before, albeit done with some pains taken to hide the deed from the world.

So the idea was even then out there, only applied in a new way. I am no longer so easily shocked because I know the idea will always be applied again, if possibly in a new way.

There is only one way to combat those who would take the idea and implement it and that is to take action against them. The enemy is not the idea, nor the idea of using something as a weapon that can be used for either a dastardly or noble intent. The enemy is the person who would use anything to kill us and our children, when all we want to do is go happily about our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Fact is, like knives, guns were routine fixtures in the lives of my parents and grandparents, but none thought to show up at school to massacre schoolmates or co-workers.</i></p>
<p>I remember when the idea of a school massacre first came to my attention. This predated Munich by roughly a decade and, as then, the perpetrators were followers of Arafat and the slaughtered were Jews.</p>
<p>To my mind the first incident remains the more shocking, mainly because these were adults who had gone out purposely to kill children. Can there be a more fundamental breakdown in the constraints that define civilization?</p>
<p>As I say, at the time I was shocked, possibly because I was no older than those slaughtered. It seemed a new kind of evil, but it had all been done before, albeit done with some pains taken to hide the deed from the world.</p>
<p>So the idea was even then out there, only applied in a new way. I am no longer so easily shocked because I know the idea will always be applied again, if possibly in a new way.</p>
<p>There is only one way to combat those who would take the idea and implement it and that is to take action against them. The enemy is not the idea, nor the idea of using something as a weapon that can be used for either a dastardly or noble intent. The enemy is the person who would use anything to kill us and our children, when all we want to do is go happily about our lives.</p>
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