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		<title>By: Annie</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But a working family will. I’ll never understand why any country, especially an avowedly socialist one, would declare war on its own middle and working classes.&lt;/i&gt;

Because socialism has never been about helping out the working classes. It is about telling them what to do and how. It is about the elites &#039;power&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But a working family will. I’ll never understand why any country, especially an avowedly socialist one, would declare war on its own middle and working classes.</i></p>
<p>Because socialism has never been about helping out the working classes. It is about telling them what to do and how. It is about the elites &#8216;power&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravalli County News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Despotism Tricked Out as Carbon Ration Cards</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravalli County News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Despotism Tricked Out as Carbon Ration Cards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club: &#8220;Today what passes for revolution is often just despotism tricked out as a campaign to fight some supposedly great evil&#8230;&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club: &#8220;Today what passes for revolution is often just despotism tricked out as a campaign to fight some supposedly great evil&#8230;&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robohobo</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator>Robohobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st I give you:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Environmentalists are Gaia&#039;s priests, instructing us in her proper service and casting out those who refuse to genuflect… And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment—carbon chastity—they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.&quot;
- Charles Krauthammer&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#039;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.&quot; -- C.S. Lewis&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The new priests of Gaia demand that we bow to their missives, that we reduce our carbon footprints. I agree. We all must call for those who worship at this new alter to have the strength of their convictions. They must finally and completely reduce their carbon footprints post haste. Please show us the way by example, you cannot just tell us the way.

I&#039;m waiting......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st I give you:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Environmentalists are Gaia&#8217;s priests, instructing us in her proper service and casting out those who refuse to genuflect… And having proclaimed the ultimate commandment—carbon chastity—they are preparing the supporting canonical legislation that will tell you how much you can travel, what kind of light you will read by, and at what temperature you may set your bedroom thermostat.&#8221;<br />
- Charles Krauthammer</p></blockquote>
<p>Then:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#8217;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.&#8221; &#8212; C.S. Lewis</p></blockquote>
<p>The new priests of Gaia demand that we bow to their missives, that we reduce our carbon footprints. I agree. We all must call for those who worship at this new alter to have the strength of their convictions. They must finally and completely reduce their carbon footprints post haste. Please show us the way by example, you cannot just tell us the way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Reed</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1135</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard &amp; Lifeofthemind,
There&#039;s just one problem.  Since the whole carbon credit/carbon ration card/totalitarian power grab will have the effect (one amongst many) of destroying the free market system, there won&#039;t be much in the way of products to buy with either money (we won&#039;t have much of this either) or carbon credits.  Communism always comes to this.  And it&#039;s Communism, Take 2, that we are facing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard &amp; Lifeofthemind,<br />
There&#8217;s just one problem.  Since the whole carbon credit/carbon ration card/totalitarian power grab will have the effect (one amongst many) of destroying the free market system, there won&#8217;t be much in the way of products to buy with either money (we won&#8217;t have much of this either) or carbon credits.  Communism always comes to this.  And it&#8217;s Communism, Take 2, that we are facing.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is today a broad alliance between the homosexual movement and the environmentalists.They share not just a similiar --its not quite proper to call it theology -- but rather a philosophy. Why philosophy and not theology? because theology is God centered where as philosophy is man centered. The ancient pagan states around israel just practiced various forms of self worship. In practice too their high priests were homosexuals.

This corruption in high places has also been what caused their decline. God told moses and joshua that they would defeat the caanites not because the Israelites were so good but rather because the caananites were so bad. What were the caannites great sins? Child sacrifice and homosexuality.

When Cortez came to New Spain his exploits were chronicled by  a lot people. But the tale of his oldest lieutenant Bernal Diaz  was only translated into english in the 1980&#039;s. what that  book mentioned was something not told your typical history that includes tales of human sacrifice. What Diaz mention is that the aztec priests would &quot;act up&quot; right in front  cortez and his men. 

The reaction of cortez was much the same as Joshua.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is today a broad alliance between the homosexual movement and the environmentalists.They share not just a similiar &#8211;its not quite proper to call it theology &#8212; but rather a philosophy. Why philosophy and not theology? because theology is God centered where as philosophy is man centered. The ancient pagan states around israel just practiced various forms of self worship. In practice too their high priests were homosexuals.</p>
<p>This corruption in high places has also been what caused their decline. God told moses and joshua that they would defeat the caanites not because the Israelites were so good but rather because the caananites were so bad. What were the caannites great sins? Child sacrifice and homosexuality.</p>
<p>When Cortez came to New Spain his exploits were chronicled by  a lot people. But the tale of his oldest lieutenant Bernal Diaz  was only translated into english in the 1980&#8217;s. what that  book mentioned was something not told your typical history that includes tales of human sacrifice. What Diaz mention is that the aztec priests would &#8220;act up&#8221; right in front  cortez and his men. </p>
<p>The reaction of cortez was much the same as Joshua.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Victor Davis Hanson &lt;/a&gt;
July 8th, 2008 9:01 pm
Good and Bad Times

Global whatever
Now we are lectured that climate change is threatening civilization and we must do this and that. Twenty years ago I remember it was the Aids epidemic that was just about to break out among the heterosexual population in the fashion it had devastated the San Francisco gay community. Thus we needed to quit envisioning the virus as largely specific to gays and IV-drug users, and instead mobilize to protect the entire population from a mass epidemic. A few voices in the wilderness who argued that the mechanisms of so-called normal heterosexual sex (while perhaps conducive in their unprotected modes to all sort of venereal diseases) were nevertheless often different from both the apparent frequency and nature of homosexual sex practices, and very different from the blood exchanges of shared-needles, were derided as either illiberal, homophobic, or unhinged</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/" rel="nofollow">Victor Davis Hanson </a><br />
July 8th, 2008 9:01 pm<br />
Good and Bad Times</p>
<p>Global whatever<br />
Now we are lectured that climate change is threatening civilization and we must do this and that. Twenty years ago I remember it was the Aids epidemic that was just about to break out among the heterosexual population in the fashion it had devastated the San Francisco gay community. Thus we needed to quit envisioning the virus as largely specific to gays and IV-drug users, and instead mobilize to protect the entire population from a mass epidemic. A few voices in the wilderness who argued that the mechanisms of so-called normal heterosexual sex (while perhaps conducive in their unprotected modes to all sort of venereal diseases) were nevertheless often different from both the apparent frequency and nature of homosexual sex practices, and very different from the blood exchanges of shared-needles, were derided as either illiberal, homophobic, or unhinged</p>
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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who missed &lt;b&gt;Wretchard&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s link to the G8 dinner menu, here are some of the money lines:

&lt;i&gt;The Prime Minister [Gordon Brown] was served 24 different dishes during his first day at the summit – just hours after urging the world to reduce the &quot;unnecessary demand&quot; for food and calling on British families to cut back on their wasteful use of food.

The dinner consisted of 18 dishes in eight courses including caviar, smoked salmon, Kyoto beef and a &quot;G8 fantasy dessert&quot;.

The banquet was accompanied by five different wines from around the world including champagne, a French Bourgogne and sake.

The dinner came just hours after a &quot;working lunch&quot; consisting of six courses including white asparagus and truffle soup, crab and a supreme of chicken.

Mr Brown arrived at the G8 summit held on the holiday island of Hokkaido in northern Japan on Monday morning. 

&lt;b&gt;He arrived on a plane chartered from Texas, America, which had to fly empty for thousands of miles to pick up the Prime Minister and his entourage.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;
[emphasis added]

Flying empty planes around the world to attend crisis summits. Sounds a lot like that Bali climate change summit where they didn&#039;t have enough room to park all the private jets.

Isn&#039;t hypocrisy on this sort of scale supposed to earn people lightning bolts and stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who missed <b>Wretchard</b>&#8217;s link to the G8 dinner menu, here are some of the money lines:</p>
<p><i>The Prime Minister [Gordon Brown] was served 24 different dishes during his first day at the summit – just hours after urging the world to reduce the &#8220;unnecessary demand&#8221; for food and calling on British families to cut back on their wasteful use of food.</p>
<p>The dinner consisted of 18 dishes in eight courses including caviar, smoked salmon, Kyoto beef and a &#8220;G8 fantasy dessert&#8221;.</p>
<p>The banquet was accompanied by five different wines from around the world including champagne, a French Bourgogne and sake.</p>
<p>The dinner came just hours after a &#8220;working lunch&#8221; consisting of six courses including white asparagus and truffle soup, crab and a supreme of chicken.</p>
<p>Mr Brown arrived at the G8 summit held on the holiday island of Hokkaido in northern Japan on Monday morning. </p>
<p><b>He arrived on a plane chartered from Texas, America, which had to fly empty for thousands of miles to pick up the Prime Minister and his entourage.</b></i><br />
[emphasis added]</p>
<p>Flying empty planes around the world to attend crisis summits. Sounds a lot like that Bali climate change summit where they didn&#8217;t have enough room to park all the private jets.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t hypocrisy on this sort of scale supposed to earn people lightning bolts and stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be understood that the ancient primitive religions of the iron age that are most chronicled in the worshipers of Baal and the Gods of the other peoples around Israel --were nature gods or gods of fertility or prosperity.  The pagan peoples worshiped the god of fertility or the god of prosperity or the god of thunder or the god of the ocean -- rather than the God from whom all these things come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be understood that the ancient primitive religions of the iron age that are most chronicled in the worshipers of Baal and the Gods of the other peoples around Israel &#8211;were nature gods or gods of fertility or prosperity.  The pagan peoples worshiped the god of fertility or the god of prosperity or the god of thunder or the god of the ocean &#8212; rather than the God from whom all these things come.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=LdIXW9eR7m4C&amp;pg=PA112&amp;lpg=PA112&amp;dq=critique+of+and+%E2%80%9Cmonist%E2%80%9D+alternative+to+Cartesian+subject-object+dualism&amp;source=web&amp;ots=J-qPZFV1cH&amp;sig=oxfD5URlfd0slTbAblF8o7FaVF4&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPP1,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anti-Oedipus&lt;/a&gt;

page 112

Spinoza provides schizoanalysis an alternative not just to Hegelian philosophy of history -- but to subject-object dualism in general. Spinoza was a contemporary and critic of Descartes and his view of the objective identity of thought and [by] extension contrasts sharply with Descartes view which treats thought as a property of a doubting subject rather than of concrete objects. This critique and monist alternative to  Cartesian subject-object dualism represents an important contribution to modern environmentalism since Spinoza considers man a part of nature rather than its master.
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It should be understood that Christianity views man to be the master of nature. And that God himself is outside of nature. God is  &quot;Nature&#039;s God&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=LdIXW9eR7m4C&amp;pg=PA112&amp;lpg=PA112&amp;dq=critique+of+and+%E2%80%9Cmonist%E2%80%9D+alternative+to+Cartesian+subject-object+dualism&amp;source=web&amp;ots=J-qPZFV1cH&amp;sig=oxfD5URlfd0slTbAblF8o7FaVF4&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=result#PPP1,M1" rel="nofollow">Anti-Oedipus</a></p>
<p>page 112</p>
<p>Spinoza provides schizoanalysis an alternative not just to Hegelian philosophy of history &#8212; but to subject-object dualism in general. Spinoza was a contemporary and critic of Descartes and his view of the objective identity of thought and [by] extension contrasts sharply with Descartes view which treats thought as a property of a doubting subject rather than of concrete objects. This critique and monist alternative to  Cartesian subject-object dualism represents an important contribution to modern environmentalism since Spinoza considers man a part of nature rather than its master.<br />
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It should be understood that Christianity views man to be the master of nature. And that God himself is outside of nature. God is  &#8220;Nature&#8217;s God&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sus</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/07/money-money-money/comment-page-1/#comment-1125</link>
		<dc:creator>Sus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RWE:  &quot;It’s all about Money and the Power to control Money&quot;.

Not quite.  It&#039;s all about the power to control OTHER PEOPLE&#039;S money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RWE:  &#8220;It’s all about Money and the Power to control Money&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not quite.  It&#8217;s all about the power to control OTHER PEOPLE&#8217;S money.</p>
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