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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/23/runaway/comment-page-3/#comment-2338</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...the memo IS addressed to Condi, and deals almost exclusively with &quot;Al-Qida&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the memo IS addressed to Condi, and deals almost exclusively with &#8220;Al-Qida&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/23/runaway/comment-page-3/#comment-2337</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could this statement be justified?

&quot;&lt;i&gt;“No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration.”&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could this statement be justified?</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>“No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration.”</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Zenster</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/23/runaway/comment-page-3/#comment-2336</link>
		<dc:creator>Zenster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who wants some astonishing facts behind the 9-11 Atrocity, I can only recommend Peter Lance&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&#039;http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20070106133625637&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Triple Cross - 9-11&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. Evidently, Paul Thompson&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&#039;http://historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Complete 9/11 Timeline&lt;/a&gt;&quot; does a good job as well. I can assure you that a close reading of Lance&#039;s &quot;Triple Cross&quot; will leave you with your blood boiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who wants some astonishing facts behind the 9-11 Atrocity, I can only recommend Peter Lance&#8217;s &#8220;<a href='http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20070106133625637' rel="nofollow">Triple Cross &#8211; 9-11</a>&#8220;. Evidently, Paul Thompson&#8217;s &#8220;<a href='http://historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project' rel="nofollow">Complete 9/11 Timeline</a>&#8221; does a good job as well. I can assure you that a close reading of Lance&#8217;s &#8220;Triple Cross&#8221; will leave you with your blood boiling.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/23/runaway/comment-page-3/#comment-2333</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President George Bush’s first day in office was January 22nd, not the 25th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President George Bush’s first day in office was January 22nd, not the 25th.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/07/23/runaway/comment-page-2/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 07:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,

President George Bush&#039;s first day in office was January 25th, with delays in confirming persons to head the various branches of Government involved including DoD and State, there was no working group of Principles to even look at the stuff until late February. 

The memo while dated January 25th lacks actionable detail, but has proposals for meeting a threat and indicates two policies left for the incoming president to determine. At the time Saddam was shooting at our pilots in the no fly zone. And CIA had, as we now know, little to no contact with the Northern Alliance or Southern Afghanistan tribes. Even if they had relations with the NA, it would have taken the CIA and analyst-ists months to determine what policy they wanted the Bush administration to follow.  As was the case post 9/11, so much more so was the case prior to 9/11. 

 I imagine the two policy papers, one from 1998 and the other from December of 2000, both no doubt had the hall mark of President Clinton style, and would have to be revised, and revisited before putting any policy forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>President George Bush&#8217;s first day in office was January 25th, with delays in confirming persons to head the various branches of Government involved including DoD and State, there was no working group of Principles to even look at the stuff until late February. </p>
<p>The memo while dated January 25th lacks actionable detail, but has proposals for meeting a threat and indicates two policies left for the incoming president to determine. At the time Saddam was shooting at our pilots in the no fly zone. And CIA had, as we now know, little to no contact with the Northern Alliance or Southern Afghanistan tribes. Even if they had relations with the NA, it would have taken the CIA and analyst-ists months to determine what policy they wanted the Bush administration to follow.  As was the case post 9/11, so much more so was the case prior to 9/11. </p>
<p> I imagine the two policy papers, one from 1998 and the other from December of 2000, both no doubt had the hall mark of President Clinton style, and would have to be revised, and revisited before putting any policy forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Rosen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I dont have those views.&quot;

C-fudd weasels again.  What happened to your &quot;likeability&quot;, F-boy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I dont have those views.&#8221;</p>
<p>C-fudd weasels again.  What happened to your &#8220;likeability&#8221;, F-boy?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think I would have been FOR pre-emption, based on Clarke&#039;s memo linked above.
Presented 9 months prior to 9-11.
(except in CondiWorld)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think I would have been FOR pre-emption, based on Clarke&#8217;s memo linked above.<br />
Presented 9 months prior to 9-11.<br />
(except in CondiWorld)</p>
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		<title>By: Teresita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Mark_b:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Teresita, DanM I spent my time on a Nimitz Class Carrier as MM.(NNPS 8502)&lt;/i&gt;

Awesome.  When I was in the Navy in the 1980s women were not allowed to serve on carriers or the warships which supported them.  We were allowed to serve on certain slow-ass supply ships which did not steam with the battlegroup (not the fast combat support ships like the Sacramento class).  The USS &lt;i&gt;Puget Sound&lt;/i&gt; (or as we called it, USS &lt;i&gt;Pubic Mound&lt;/i&gt;, a sapphic love boat if there ever was) comes to mind.

&lt;i&gt;Just walked away from job at civilian nuke.&lt;/i&gt;

I hope there will be a renaissance of nuclear power, but it sure as hell won&#039;t happen under B.O.

&lt;i&gt;Teresita, I understand that you may view the right, especially us neocons as the enemy. Could be justifiable. Sharia is also your enemy. One of these foes will be all bitchy about your lifestyle. The other would kill you.&lt;/i&gt;

I am of the right.  Maybe center-right.  Always have been.  I can&#039;t stand the Kos kids.  I&#039;m an ex-Ayn Randroid, tempered by exposure to Taoism which is all about letting things reach their own equilibrium.  So I&#039;m not into centrally planned government.  I believe in locking down the borders so we don&#039;t get infiltrated by Islamist assholes.  I favor Israel over the Pallies but not the the point of having our entire foreign policy focused around that conflict.  I don&#039;t believe in pre-emptive wars to carry out the Bush doctrine.  I don&#039;t like shelling out billions to maintain a constellation of bases across the globe.  So maybe I&#039;m a Pat Buchanan lesbian, if you can imagine such a thing.  But mostly, I&#039;m not scared by dummies in turbans making threats from caves, and I my vote doesn&#039;t revolve solely around security issues.  A much bigger problem is inflation, which will eat your 401K like a termite and leave you living hand-to-mouth when you planned to retire in style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mark_b:</b><i>Teresita, DanM I spent my time on a Nimitz Class Carrier as MM.(NNPS 8502)</i></p>
<p>Awesome.  When I was in the Navy in the 1980s women were not allowed to serve on carriers or the warships which supported them.  We were allowed to serve on certain slow-ass supply ships which did not steam with the battlegroup (not the fast combat support ships like the Sacramento class).  The USS <i>Puget Sound</i> (or as we called it, USS <i>Pubic Mound</i>, a sapphic love boat if there ever was) comes to mind.</p>
<p><i>Just walked away from job at civilian nuke.</i></p>
<p>I hope there will be a renaissance of nuclear power, but it sure as hell won&#8217;t happen under B.O.</p>
<p><i>Teresita, I understand that you may view the right, especially us neocons as the enemy. Could be justifiable. Sharia is also your enemy. One of these foes will be all bitchy about your lifestyle. The other would kill you.</i></p>
<p>I am of the right.  Maybe center-right.  Always have been.  I can&#8217;t stand the Kos kids.  I&#8217;m an ex-Ayn Randroid, tempered by exposure to Taoism which is all about letting things reach their own equilibrium.  So I&#8217;m not into centrally planned government.  I believe in locking down the borders so we don&#8217;t get infiltrated by Islamist assholes.  I favor Israel over the Pallies but not the the point of having our entire foreign policy focused around that conflict.  I don&#8217;t believe in pre-emptive wars to carry out the Bush doctrine.  I don&#8217;t like shelling out billions to maintain a constellation of bases across the globe.  So maybe I&#8217;m a Pat Buchanan lesbian, if you can imagine such a thing.  But mostly, I&#8217;m not scared by dummies in turbans making threats from caves, and I my vote doesn&#8217;t revolve solely around security issues.  A much bigger problem is inflation, which will eat your 401K like a termite and leave you living hand-to-mouth when you planned to retire in style.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702052.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tenet tries to shift the blame. Don&#039;t buy it.&lt;/a&gt;
Michael F. Scheuer,

Our CIC has proven over and over to be a man who smoothes over and covers up failures in his administration, instead of addressing them.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In &quot;State of Denial,&quot; Woodward paints a heroic portrait of the CIA chief warning national security adviser Condoleezza Rice of pending al-Qaeda strikes during the summer of 2001, only to have his warnings ignored.

Tenet was indeed worried during the so-called summer of threat, but one wonders why he did not summon the political courage earlier to accuse Rice of negligence, most notably during his testimony under oath before the 9/11 commission.

&quot;I was talking to the national security adviser and the president and the vice president every day,&quot; Tenet told the commission during a nationally televised hearing on March 24, 2004.

&quot;I certainly didn&#039;t get a sense that anybody was not paying attention to what I was doing and what I was briefing and what my concerns were and what we were trying to do.&quot;

Now a &quot;frustrated&quot; Tenet writes that he held an urgent meeting with Rice on July 10, 2001, to try to get &quot;the full attention of the administration&quot; and &quot;finally get us on track.&quot; He can&#039;t have it both ways&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;
--- 
A cynic might wonder why both Tenant and Normie Mineta received the Medal of Freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702052.html" rel="nofollow">Tenet tries to shift the blame. Don&#8217;t buy it.</a><br />
Michael F. Scheuer,</p>
<p>Our CIC has proven over and over to be a man who smoothes over and covers up failures in his administration, instead of addressing them.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In &#8220;State of Denial,&#8221; Woodward paints a heroic portrait of the CIA chief warning national security adviser Condoleezza Rice of pending al-Qaeda strikes during the summer of 2001, only to have his warnings ignored.</p>
<p>Tenet was indeed worried during the so-called summer of threat, but one wonders why he did not summon the political courage earlier to accuse Rice of negligence, most notably during his testimony under oath before the 9/11 commission.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was talking to the national security adviser and the president and the vice president every day,&#8221; Tenet told the commission during a nationally televised hearing on March 24, 2004.</p>
<p>&#8220;I certainly didn&#8217;t get a sense that anybody was not paying attention to what I was doing and what I was briefing and what my concerns were and what we were trying to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now a &#8220;frustrated&#8221; Tenet writes that he held an urgent meeting with Rice on July 10, 2001, to try to get &#8220;the full attention of the administration&#8221; and &#8220;finally get us on track.&#8221; He can&#8217;t have it both ways</i>.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;<br />
A cynic might wonder why both Tenant and Normie Mineta received the Medal of Freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Richard Clarke, Michael Schuere, and John O&#039;neill knew plenty about where and what bin Laden and Al Queda were up to.&lt;/strong&gt;
Despite Clarke running around screaming just that, neither the Clinton nor Bush Admins were interested in distracting themselves from whatever they thought more important.
---
Not too hard to confirm that scenario with a quick read of Clark&#039;s memo to National Security Advisior, Dr Condi Rice written in January 2001.
---
Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20memo.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, January 25, 2001, memo from counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;strong&gt;the first terrorism strategy paper of the Bush administration&lt;/strong&gt;.

The document was central to debates in the 9/11 hearings over the Bush administration&#039;s policies and actions on terrorism before September 11, 2001. Clarke&#039;s memo requests an immediate meeting of the National Security Council&#039;s Principals Committee to discuss broad strategies for combating al-Qaeda by giving counterterrorism aid to the Northern Alliance and Uzbekistan, expanding the counterterrorism budget and responding to the U.S.S. Cole attack. Despite Clarke&#039;s request, there was no Principals Committee meeting on al-Qaeda until September 4, 2001.

The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice&#039;s testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11,

Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed,

&lt;b&gt;&quot;No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Richard Clarke, Michael Schuere, and John O&#8217;neill knew plenty about where and what bin Laden and Al Queda were up to.</strong><br />
Despite Clarke running around screaming just that, neither the Clinton nor Bush Admins were interested in distracting themselves from whatever they thought more important.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Not too hard to confirm that scenario with a quick read of Clark&#8217;s memo to National Security Advisior, Dr Condi Rice written in January 2001.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 &#8211; The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, <a href="http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20memo.pdf" rel="nofollow">Washington, D.C., February 10, 2005 &#8211; The National Security Archive today posted the widely-debated, but previously unavailable, January 25, 2001, memo from counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke to national security advisor Condoleezza Rice</a><br />
- <strong>the first terrorism strategy paper of the Bush administration</strong>.</p>
<p>The document was central to debates in the 9/11 hearings over the Bush administration&#8217;s policies and actions on terrorism before September 11, 2001. Clarke&#8217;s memo requests an immediate meeting of the National Security Council&#8217;s Principals Committee to discuss broad strategies for combating al-Qaeda by giving counterterrorism aid to the Northern Alliance and Uzbekistan, expanding the counterterrorism budget and responding to the U.S.S. Cole attack. Despite Clarke&#8217;s request, there was no Principals Committee meeting on al-Qaeda until September 4, 2001.</p>
<p>The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice&#8217;s testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11,</p>
<p>Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed,</p>
<p><b>&#8220;No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration.&#8221;</b></p>
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