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		<title>By: Bill Befort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Befort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been re-reading C.L. Sonnichsen&#039;s &quot;I&#039;ll Die Before I&#039;ll Run,&quot; about the thirty years of bloody feuding that disfigured Texas in the wake of the Civil War. The parallels with post-invasion Iraq are striking.  Eventually the surviving combatants themselves had to decide to bury the hatchet, but in case after case it was the Texas Rangers who helped them get to that point -- not settling the the feuds, but providing an environment in which they could be settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been re-reading C.L. Sonnichsen&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;ll Die Before I&#8217;ll Run,&#8221; about the thirty years of bloody feuding that disfigured Texas in the wake of the Civil War. The parallels with post-invasion Iraq are striking.  Eventually the surviving combatants themselves had to decide to bury the hatchet, but in case after case it was the Texas Rangers who helped them get to that point &#8212; not settling the the feuds, but providing an environment in which they could be settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sylwester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Sylwester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US intelligence community has been studying radical Moslem groups in Waziristan intensely for seven years. Our knowledge constantly improves. 

Some particular places are under special observation. Information about them is being collected constantly by satellites. Every vehicle going in and out is watched. Every phone call and e-mail going in and out is captured and studied. Every electro-magnetic impulse is recorded. People associated with those places are being questioned and recruited. 

The longer we do this, the more we improve. Sometimes we get some really big breaks and more insight, more penetration into their communications and planning. Success builds upon success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US intelligence community has been studying radical Moslem groups in Waziristan intensely for seven years. Our knowledge constantly improves. </p>
<p>Some particular places are under special observation. Information about them is being collected constantly by satellites. Every vehicle going in and out is watched. Every phone call and e-mail going in and out is captured and studied. Every electro-magnetic impulse is recorded. People associated with those places are being questioned and recruited. </p>
<p>The longer we do this, the more we improve. Sometimes we get some really big breaks and more insight, more penetration into their communications and planning. Success builds upon success.</p>
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		<title>By: cedarford</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Sylwester - &lt;i&gt;Most of the young Pashtun jihadists trying to sneak across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan are doomed. They are being watched from above as soon as they walk out of their Pakistani mosque and climb into their truck to begin their ride toward the border.&lt;/i&gt;

A wet dream of some almighty &quot;eye in the sky&quot; made by a young man utterly ignorant of military limits to US air surveillance capacity.
The few &quot;birds&quot; that scan a small fraction of the humanity below them are utterly ignorant to what is in the hearts of such people, what their intentions are. Nothing substitutes for human intelligence and winning the information, and ideological warfare outside the military&#039;s sphere. Something the US has learbed to rue time and time again. 

&lt;i&gt;Our ability to target top leaders is especially devastaing. In their administration of their forces and resources, relatively little is written down, so when any such leader is killed, much organizational policy and information perishes forever.&lt;/i&gt;

More crap. Most terrorist groups except those foolishly aggragating power to a few charismatics (shining path, PLO) are &lt;i&gt;learning organizations&lt;/i&gt;. The Israelis stupidly played whack a mole couterterrorism for years as they built up their Settlements, refused to address grievances, and relied on WMD and technical superiority.

All they did was provoke a Darwinian process in terrorist groups to make them fire-tested, more flexible, and weed out the unwary and stupid leaders for the likes of Nasrallah. They lost demographically, had to quit Gaza, and now face a weary USA and West not so interested in preserving Zionist nuclear and technical monopoly. 

&lt;i&gt;There are about 40 million Pashtuns, but a few thousand of our soldiers are controlling them.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, a few thousand of our red-blooded Jesus-loving high-tech, special ops supersoldiers are controlling 40 million born to fight mountain warfare Pashtuns.
In your dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Sylwester &#8211; <i>Most of the young Pashtun jihadists trying to sneak across the border from Pakistan into Afghanistan are doomed. They are being watched from above as soon as they walk out of their Pakistani mosque and climb into their truck to begin their ride toward the border.</i></p>
<p>A wet dream of some almighty &#8220;eye in the sky&#8221; made by a young man utterly ignorant of military limits to US air surveillance capacity.<br />
The few &#8220;birds&#8221; that scan a small fraction of the humanity below them are utterly ignorant to what is in the hearts of such people, what their intentions are. Nothing substitutes for human intelligence and winning the information, and ideological warfare outside the military&#8217;s sphere. Something the US has learbed to rue time and time again. </p>
<p><i>Our ability to target top leaders is especially devastaing. In their administration of their forces and resources, relatively little is written down, so when any such leader is killed, much organizational policy and information perishes forever.</i></p>
<p>More crap. Most terrorist groups except those foolishly aggragating power to a few charismatics (shining path, PLO) are <i>learning organizations</i>. The Israelis stupidly played whack a mole couterterrorism for years as they built up their Settlements, refused to address grievances, and relied on WMD and technical superiority.</p>
<p>All they did was provoke a Darwinian process in terrorist groups to make them fire-tested, more flexible, and weed out the unwary and stupid leaders for the likes of Nasrallah. They lost demographically, had to quit Gaza, and now face a weary USA and West not so interested in preserving Zionist nuclear and technical monopoly. </p>
<p><i>There are about 40 million Pashtuns, but a few thousand of our soldiers are controlling them.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, a few thousand of our red-blooded Jesus-loving high-tech, special ops supersoldiers are controlling 40 million born to fight mountain warfare Pashtuns.<br />
In your dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
&quot;Reasonable efforts to minimize civ deaths are required, but not to the point of holding off attacks.&quot;

You&#039;re making the mistake of equating &quot;reasonable and ethical&quot; with &quot;realistic and practical.&quot; In today&#039;s world, with the MSM and unwillingness of many to support this effort, PR always needs to be considered. Unfortunate, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
&#8220;Reasonable efforts to minimize civ deaths are required, but not to the point of holding off attacks.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re making the mistake of equating &#8220;reasonable and ethical&#8221; with &#8220;realistic and practical.&#8221; In today&#8217;s world, with the MSM and unwillingness of many to support this effort, PR always needs to be considered. Unfortunate, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as civ casualties, you might like to google &quot;perfidy&quot; and &quot;Geneva&quot;.  If you dress like and operate among civilians, the onus for all civilian casualties incurred in attacking you falls squarely on you.  Reasonable efforts to minimize civ deaths are required, but not to the point of holding off attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as civ casualties, you might like to google &#8220;perfidy&#8221; and &#8220;Geneva&#8221;.  If you dress like and operate among civilians, the onus for all civilian casualties incurred in attacking you falls squarely on you.  Reasonable efforts to minimize civ deaths are required, but not to the point of holding off attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Drang</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Drang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for that RAND Study, I believe it is a mistake to assume that conventional military forces are incapable of performing Law Enforcement duties.  Essentially, what our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are doing is sort of an up-armored Community Based Policing. Yes, they carry, and  can call for, a heck of a lot more firepower than my father had available to him in Detroit &quot;back in the day&quot;, but the &lt;i&gt;techniques&lt;/i&gt; remain the same as patrolling a beat.  

Also, I highly recommend Fred Burton&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Confessions-Counterterrorism-Fred-Burton/dp/1400065690/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217899500&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GHOST: Confessions of a Counter-Terrorism Agent&lt;/a&gt;  (Hope the link came through all right...)  Finished it last night.  Very good.  Very educational, even to a retired Intel Geek, who was on the preiphery of some of the things he writes about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for that RAND Study, I believe it is a mistake to assume that conventional military forces are incapable of performing Law Enforcement duties.  Essentially, what our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are doing is sort of an up-armored Community Based Policing. Yes, they carry, and  can call for, a heck of a lot more firepower than my father had available to him in Detroit &#8220;back in the day&#8221;, but the <i>techniques</i> remain the same as patrolling a beat.  </p>
<p>Also, I highly recommend Fred Burton&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ghost-Confessions-Counterterrorism-Fred-Burton/dp/1400065690/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217899500&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">GHOST: Confessions of a Counter-Terrorism Agent</a>  (Hope the link came through all right&#8230;)  Finished it last night.  Very good.  Very educational, even to a retired Intel Geek, who was on the preiphery of some of the things he writes about.</p>
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		<title>By: cjm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>russia is an old man in diapers, shouting &quot;nurse!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>russia is an old man in diapers, shouting &#8220;nurse!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mad Fiddler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mad Fiddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 03:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The criticism was NOT made for the decision to forego attacking known bad guys and causing collateral civilian casualties. The criticism was of the ill-advised &lt;i&gt;decision to REPORT that datum&lt;/i&gt; in a widely-disseminated article, giving the bad guys a clear hint at how they might protect themselves in future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The criticism was NOT made for the decision to forego attacking known bad guys and causing collateral civilian casualties. The criticism was of the ill-advised <i>decision to REPORT that datum</i> in a widely-disseminated article, giving the bad guys a clear hint at how they might protect themselves in future.</p>
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		<title>By: CSMBigBird</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSMBigBird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the Marines were there so the navy commo guys had someone to dance with, silly me...

30 plus year, Army Command Sergeant Major</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the Marines were there so the navy commo guys had someone to dance with, silly me&#8230;</p>
<p>30 plus year, Army Command Sergeant Major</p>
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		<title>By: Teresita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teresita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roderick: &lt;b&gt;Also, where does the notion that the Anbar sheiks did this conversion spontaneously and independently without first being contacted by U.S. and Iraqi authorities come from?&lt;/b&gt;

No one is making that claim.  But Righty talking points are making the claim that the February-July 2007 Surge somehow caused the Anbar Awakening, which the Pentagon first briefed reporters on in September 2006.  

Newtland: &lt;b&gt;We’re trying real hard not to do the same and it’s cost us lives but perhaps saved our souls. Perhaps.&lt;/b&gt;

Souls are saved by trusting in the atoning work of the Prince of Peace, not by trusting in the sacrifices of our own soldiers.  No perhaps about it. 

Doug: &lt;b&gt;Additionally, the terrorist would need a handy dandy portable radar setup to find either the Predator or the Reaper prior to arming the Stinger.&lt;/b&gt;

And that would make the terrorist vulnerable to being taken out by a HARM missile following right back down his signal path.

RWE: &lt;b&gt;Perhaps a better example is the cruise missiles and upgraded Pershings we put in Europe in the 80’s, thus ensuring that the diplomacy associated with the INF treaty had a chance to work.&lt;/b&gt;

Russia is threatening to pull out of the INF treaty if the US deploys missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic.  Russia is also threatening to return in force to Cuba if the US deploys missile defense in the aforementioned countries.  One gets the idea that Russia really doesn&#039;t like missile defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roderick: <b>Also, where does the notion that the Anbar sheiks did this conversion spontaneously and independently without first being contacted by U.S. and Iraqi authorities come from?</b></p>
<p>No one is making that claim.  But Righty talking points are making the claim that the February-July 2007 Surge somehow caused the Anbar Awakening, which the Pentagon first briefed reporters on in September 2006.  </p>
<p>Newtland: <b>We’re trying real hard not to do the same and it’s cost us lives but perhaps saved our souls. Perhaps.</b></p>
<p>Souls are saved by trusting in the atoning work of the Prince of Peace, not by trusting in the sacrifices of our own soldiers.  No perhaps about it. </p>
<p>Doug: <b>Additionally, the terrorist would need a handy dandy portable radar setup to find either the Predator or the Reaper prior to arming the Stinger.</b></p>
<p>And that would make the terrorist vulnerable to being taken out by a HARM missile following right back down his signal path.</p>
<p>RWE: <b>Perhaps a better example is the cruise missiles and upgraded Pershings we put in Europe in the 80’s, thus ensuring that the diplomacy associated with the INF treaty had a chance to work.</b></p>
<p>Russia is threatening to pull out of the INF treaty if the US deploys missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic.  Russia is also threatening to return in force to Cuba if the US deploys missile defense in the aforementioned countries.  One gets the idea that Russia really doesn&#8217;t like missile defense.</p>
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