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		<title>By: El potaje del Caucaso. 1.Los ingredientes &#171; NUEVA EUROPA- Nueva Eurabia</title>
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		<dc:creator>El potaje del Caucaso. 1.Los ingredientes &#171; NUEVA EUROPA- Nueva Eurabia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Goliat frente a David: Saakaschwili empeñado en la recuperación de la soberanía de su país con la Revolución e las Rosas en el 2003, derrotó a Rusia pero arriesgó tambien perder un posible apoyo de USA, con su política de constante provocación a Moscú. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Goliat frente a David: Saakaschwili empeñado en la recuperación de la soberanía de su país con la Revolución e las Rosas en el 2003, derrotó a Rusia pero arriesgó tambien perder un posible apoyo de USA, con su política de constante provocación a Moscú. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bush Excoriates Russia and Saakashvili Steels for the Fight. What Will Putin Do? &#124; The Sundries Shack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush Excoriates Russia and Saakashvili Steels for the Fight. What Will Putin Do? &#124; The Sundries Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via Instapundit comes this commentary from the always insightful Belmont Club: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Two optimistic accounts of Georgia &#171; Internet Scofflaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two optimistic accounts of Georgia &#171; Internet Scofflaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a couple of respectable sources have somewhat optimistic accounts of the Russo-Georgian war.  The Belmost Club (two days ago) thinks it&#8217;s not over, that the Georgian army is intact and has fallen back to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a couple of respectable sources have somewhat optimistic accounts of the Russo-Georgian war.  The Belmost Club (two days ago) thinks it&#8217;s not over, that the Georgian army is intact and has fallen back to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly, I mean truly, fascinating stuff, Jack. You have an extremely clear vision of what&#039;s really behind the stuff that&#039;s in front of the stuff behind it. 

Often, people who see things so clearly get attacked by the common fools around them laughably claim that the visionary is certifiably insane and for his own good needs  to be locked up in a rubber room. But they are fools who cannot see.

I wonder, do the guys around Putin understand these things? I hope so --maybe there&#039;s hope for us men after all! But, i wonder, why Palin? Why would we want a woman VP for McCain? She has no qualifications at all, other than being the governor of Alaska.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly, I mean truly, fascinating stuff, Jack. You have an extremely clear vision of what&#8217;s really behind the stuff that&#8217;s in front of the stuff behind it. </p>
<p>Often, people who see things so clearly get attacked by the common fools around them laughably claim that the visionary is certifiably insane and for his own good needs  to be locked up in a rubber room. But they are fools who cannot see.</p>
<p>I wonder, do the guys around Putin understand these things? I hope so &#8211;maybe there&#8217;s hope for us men after all! But, i wonder, why Palin? Why would we want a woman VP for McCain? She has no qualifications at all, other than being the governor of Alaska.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CJM: That was brilliant by the way. 

They used to catch draft dodgers entering Canada by asking them to spell Arizona.

If they did not say Zed the border guards knew they were American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CJM: That was brilliant by the way. </p>
<p>They used to catch draft dodgers entering Canada by asking them to spell Arizona.</p>
<p>If they did not say Zed the border guards knew they were American.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Red Sox.

You guys are fascinating.

I will take this as a compliment that I come across as some kind of Russian who writes English well.

But Glen Reynolds himself has a link to a balanced article.

Check out http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH13Ag01.html

Because the Russians called WW2 the &quot;Great Patriotic War&quot; and I was talking about WW2 from their point of view, I used their term.

It is fascinating that you say you caught me as a Russian.

Here is good proof that I am not Russian. I will write the above sentence in Russian using the Latin alphabet and you can ask a Russian friend if I have done so correctly (I guarantee that I will make a mistake):

Interesno shto vy napisali shto vy poimal menya kak Russki.

That is horrible Russian.

I learned in the US Army of all places.

I served against the Russians back when they were not our allies.

Buddy,

Russia and the Ukraine are doing well now.

The women are GORGEOUS.

The women in Georgia are beautiful as well. I don&#039;t want any of their brothers killed in any war.

Only a total eunuch (completely castrated) or a very happily married man (getting it 5 times per week) would not want to visit for awhile.

That is another reason why any &quot;male&quot; here who wants Russia to be their enemy must be nuts.

I am not following who did the cyber attack but it probably came from SPB and the Georgian site is now hosted out of Atlanta.

[Also, no anti-Hillary, anti-liberal, anti-feminist American would slur Fox News. I think you just couldn’t help yourself with that one, but it’s a revealing ‘tell’.]

What? Fox News anti-feminist? Bill Oreilly won&#039;t allow Marc Rudov to even mention the word &quot;feminism&quot;!

In fact, Marc Rudov has been told by Bill OReilly and Neil Cavuto that he is NOT allowed to mention any specific legislation that conservative men should get riled up about. 

He is only allowed to complain about stupid stuff like men having to pay for dinner with a woman. He does get to slam the concept of alimony. On CNN he was allowed to complain about the billboard in Virginia that showed a man holding hands with a child and said &quot;If it looks wrong report it&quot; (people were phoning in and getting dads arrested for being with their own children).

Fox News thinks every US male is a sex offender in waiting. They want all US women to be paranoid of their constant parade of deviants.

In May 2006 Tony Snow, RIP, badly slandered all American men who traveled abroad and maybe dated foreign women. He called us &quot;sex tourists&quot;. Then Bill Oreilly piled on and lost my respect instantly after I had been a fan of his for years.

That is a big trait of a Neocon: in the end they eat their own. 

This kind of anti-male thinking was always in the background of some older social conservative females...but MALES used to run the Republican Party (and Democratic Party).

Check out www.glennsacks.com and www.mensnewsdaily.com. 

Did you Google IMBRA and VAWA like I asked above?

You would have been very angry reading about them.

What I think happened regarding the Bush Admistration and feminism was this (two theories):

1) After 9-11, a lot of the type of feminist who wanted to see male chauvinists blown to Hell...joined those of us who wanted to see Al Qaeda blown to Hell...via death squads or whatever. The Bush Administration noticed this. Around 2002 all Republican politicians stopped using the word &quot;feminist&quot;. You won&#039;t hear any US politician use that word at all anymore. 

2) Bill Clinton had sex with a 22 year old in 1997, which is what anyone married to Hillary (for convenience) would have done under the circumstances.

The strange type of religious Republican then ran with that, almost in synch with the movie &quot;The American President&quot;, and impregnated the Republican Zeitgeist with the radical feminist idea that a man does NOT have the patriarchal privilege of sleeping with a coworker and, worse, got the feminist principle that it is wrong to sleep with a YOUNGER woman into the Zeitgeist.

Those who remember what it was like to be a Republican in the 1980s remembers that the #1 issue on which to stop the feminists was their horrible idea that men should be sued for harrassment if they sleep with a coworker or employee. The feminists apparently achieved total victory on this when I was living in Europe in the 1990s.

At the time of the Monica Scandal, a lot of us were only so happy to get Clinton impeached and a Republican elected in 2000. So we let the criticism of Clinton happen, convincing ourselves that he was bad because he LIED about it all (it was really because older females of both parties felt threatened by the idea of a husband sleeping with someone 27 years younger).

Because a lot of Democrat males wanted to give Clinton a pass, a lot of feminists moved toward Bush because he did not want to give such behavior a pass.

I thought it was all an act. So I voted for Bush in 2000. I figured the guy was still the party guy he had been just 20 years earlier when he was sleeping with every stewardess in Houston. 

I was wrong about Bush sticking up for normal male behavior...but those images from China show that the old guy probably wanted to pat that volleyball player&#039;s butt (she is 40 years younger than he is).

Whatever theory is correct does not matter: the point is that Fox News and the Republican Party are not friendly to male interests.

They feel that they can&#039;t be and still win elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Red Sox.</p>
<p>You guys are fascinating.</p>
<p>I will take this as a compliment that I come across as some kind of Russian who writes English well.</p>
<p>But Glen Reynolds himself has a link to a balanced article.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH13Ag01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH13Ag01.html</a></p>
<p>Because the Russians called WW2 the &#8220;Great Patriotic War&#8221; and I was talking about WW2 from their point of view, I used their term.</p>
<p>It is fascinating that you say you caught me as a Russian.</p>
<p>Here is good proof that I am not Russian. I will write the above sentence in Russian using the Latin alphabet and you can ask a Russian friend if I have done so correctly (I guarantee that I will make a mistake):</p>
<p>Interesno shto vy napisali shto vy poimal menya kak Russki.</p>
<p>That is horrible Russian.</p>
<p>I learned in the US Army of all places.</p>
<p>I served against the Russians back when they were not our allies.</p>
<p>Buddy,</p>
<p>Russia and the Ukraine are doing well now.</p>
<p>The women are GORGEOUS.</p>
<p>The women in Georgia are beautiful as well. I don&#8217;t want any of their brothers killed in any war.</p>
<p>Only a total eunuch (completely castrated) or a very happily married man (getting it 5 times per week) would not want to visit for awhile.</p>
<p>That is another reason why any &#8220;male&#8221; here who wants Russia to be their enemy must be nuts.</p>
<p>I am not following who did the cyber attack but it probably came from SPB and the Georgian site is now hosted out of Atlanta.</p>
<p>[Also, no anti-Hillary, anti-liberal, anti-feminist American would slur Fox News. I think you just couldn’t help yourself with that one, but it’s a revealing ‘tell’.]</p>
<p>What? Fox News anti-feminist? Bill Oreilly won&#8217;t allow Marc Rudov to even mention the word &#8220;feminism&#8221;!</p>
<p>In fact, Marc Rudov has been told by Bill OReilly and Neil Cavuto that he is NOT allowed to mention any specific legislation that conservative men should get riled up about. </p>
<p>He is only allowed to complain about stupid stuff like men having to pay for dinner with a woman. He does get to slam the concept of alimony. On CNN he was allowed to complain about the billboard in Virginia that showed a man holding hands with a child and said &#8220;If it looks wrong report it&#8221; (people were phoning in and getting dads arrested for being with their own children).</p>
<p>Fox News thinks every US male is a sex offender in waiting. They want all US women to be paranoid of their constant parade of deviants.</p>
<p>In May 2006 Tony Snow, RIP, badly slandered all American men who traveled abroad and maybe dated foreign women. He called us &#8220;sex tourists&#8221;. Then Bill Oreilly piled on and lost my respect instantly after I had been a fan of his for years.</p>
<p>That is a big trait of a Neocon: in the end they eat their own. </p>
<p>This kind of anti-male thinking was always in the background of some older social conservative females&#8230;but MALES used to run the Republican Party (and Democratic Party).</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://www.glennsacks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.glennsacks.com</a> and <a href="http://www.mensnewsdaily.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mensnewsdaily.com</a>. </p>
<p>Did you Google IMBRA and VAWA like I asked above?</p>
<p>You would have been very angry reading about them.</p>
<p>What I think happened regarding the Bush Admistration and feminism was this (two theories):</p>
<p>1) After 9-11, a lot of the type of feminist who wanted to see male chauvinists blown to Hell&#8230;joined those of us who wanted to see Al Qaeda blown to Hell&#8230;via death squads or whatever. The Bush Administration noticed this. Around 2002 all Republican politicians stopped using the word &#8220;feminist&#8221;. You won&#8217;t hear any US politician use that word at all anymore. </p>
<p>2) Bill Clinton had sex with a 22 year old in 1997, which is what anyone married to Hillary (for convenience) would have done under the circumstances.</p>
<p>The strange type of religious Republican then ran with that, almost in synch with the movie &#8220;The American President&#8221;, and impregnated the Republican Zeitgeist with the radical feminist idea that a man does NOT have the patriarchal privilege of sleeping with a coworker and, worse, got the feminist principle that it is wrong to sleep with a YOUNGER woman into the Zeitgeist.</p>
<p>Those who remember what it was like to be a Republican in the 1980s remembers that the #1 issue on which to stop the feminists was their horrible idea that men should be sued for harrassment if they sleep with a coworker or employee. The feminists apparently achieved total victory on this when I was living in Europe in the 1990s.</p>
<p>At the time of the Monica Scandal, a lot of us were only so happy to get Clinton impeached and a Republican elected in 2000. So we let the criticism of Clinton happen, convincing ourselves that he was bad because he LIED about it all (it was really because older females of both parties felt threatened by the idea of a husband sleeping with someone 27 years younger).</p>
<p>Because a lot of Democrat males wanted to give Clinton a pass, a lot of feminists moved toward Bush because he did not want to give such behavior a pass.</p>
<p>I thought it was all an act. So I voted for Bush in 2000. I figured the guy was still the party guy he had been just 20 years earlier when he was sleeping with every stewardess in Houston. </p>
<p>I was wrong about Bush sticking up for normal male behavior&#8230;but those images from China show that the old guy probably wanted to pat that volleyball player&#8217;s butt (she is 40 years younger than he is).</p>
<p>Whatever theory is correct does not matter: the point is that Fox News and the Republican Party are not friendly to male interests.</p>
<p>They feel that they can&#8217;t be and still win elections.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, cjm.  next you&#039;ll prob ask &quot;what&#039;s your hometown, jack? what street?&#039;&#039;

Thing is, Jack, once you start out with duplicity, then everything you say looks fishy. THAT&#039;s why you ought to identify your position straight up. Over here in the trailer park, we call it &#039;&#039;credibility&#039;&#039;.

What would be wrong with, &quot;Hi, I&#039;m pro-Russia on this war, and I&#039;d like to tell you why.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, cjm.  next you&#8217;ll prob ask &#8220;what&#8217;s your hometown, jack? what street?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thing is, Jack, once you start out with duplicity, then everything you say looks fishy. THAT&#8217;s why you ought to identify your position straight up. Over here in the trailer park, we call it &#8221;credibility&#8221;.</p>
<p>What would be wrong with, &#8220;Hi, I&#8217;m pro-Russia on this war, and I&#8217;d like to tell you why.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cjm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jack: who won the world series last year, the dodgers or the rams?</description>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...if he choses a VP candidate incorrectly&quot; --Jack, Americans never apply &#039;&#039;correct&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;incorrect&#039;&#039; to choice of candidates. There&#039;s simply an anti-authoritarian bias rooted in the dialect that steers the American mind away from the combination. Fascinating that you are picking up on the &#039;&#039;context&#039;&#039; subtext, tho. 

Barr is against USA involvement in the ROW (&#039;&#039;rest of world&#039;&#039;) so your support for him is easy to understand, but, why so strong on Palin? 

BTW, breaking news on Fox, &#039;&#039;joint NATO/Russia maneuvers probably discontinued, according to US officals&#039;&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if he choses a VP candidate incorrectly&#8221; &#8211;Jack, Americans never apply &#8221;correct&#8221; or &#8221;incorrect&#8221; to choice of candidates. There&#8217;s simply an anti-authoritarian bias rooted in the dialect that steers the American mind away from the combination. Fascinating that you are picking up on the &#8221;context&#8221; subtext, tho. </p>
<p>Barr is against USA involvement in the ROW (&#8221;rest of world&#8221;) so your support for him is easy to understand, but, why so strong on Palin? </p>
<p>BTW, breaking news on Fox, &#8221;joint NATO/Russia maneuvers probably discontinued, according to US officals&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Night Owl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Night Owl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kossacks are reporting both sides on this however.&quot;

Jack- I&#039;ll concede that it&#039;s entirely possible that the Kossacks are the most brilliant thinkers I have ever come across, and by dismissing them I miss out on the wonder of their brilliance.

Oh well. My loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kossacks are reporting both sides on this however.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jack- I&#8217;ll concede that it&#8217;s entirely possible that the Kossacks are the most brilliant thinkers I have ever come across, and by dismissing them I miss out on the wonder of their brilliance.</p>
<p>Oh well. My loss.</p>
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