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		<title>By: weSwinger</title>
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		<description>STEVEAZ:  if you&#039;re still on thread, we need to compare notes re: the State of AZ.</description>
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		<description>Oops... http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080813-georgian-attacks-might-not-be-russians-after-all.html

`According to Gadi Evron, former Chief information security officer (CISO) for the Israeli government&#039;s ISP, there&#039;s compelling historical evidence to suggest that the Russian military is not involved.&#039;</description>
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<p>`According to Gadi Evron, former Chief information security officer (CISO) for the Israeli government&#8217;s ISP, there&#8217;s compelling historical evidence to suggest that the Russian military is not involved.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: honestjoe</title>
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		<description>&quot;1. What role did information warfare play in the Russia-Georgia war?&quot;

Obviously the strategic role of influencing  both U.S. public opinion and world opinion.

&quot;Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.&quot;
Joseph Goebbels

   &quot;2. Were there any signs of info war preparation?&quot;

Yes many, but it was happening LONG before what has been discussed here. For starters the CIA &quot;did&quot; know about the buildup and the Russian response was not only anticipated but hoped for so as to archive &quot;TWO&quot; goals. 

#1 Giving us a chance to conduct our own information war to use this (expected) Russian reaction as an opportunity to keep the public focused on the rabid Bears brutality. 

#2 Keeping the bear(and the public)busy while alerting (swaying) public opinion about the dangers the west faces so we can deal with Iran.

   &quot;3. What were the major disinformation campaigns on each side?&quot;

Russia denying that they were not only prepared for but eagerly anticipating (provoked)the attack by Georgia.  

America claiming ignorance of any foreknowledge that Georgia was about to launch a large attack into South Ossetia.

Georgia claiming that they were &quot;only&quot; retaliating against South Ossetian separatists and had not planned it nor planned an attack attack against Abkhazia.

short 1:32 second example of propaganda. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak59OjKPpA0&amp;feature=related

   &quot;4. Were attacks on the .ge domains effective? What were the lessons carried over from the previous cyberattack experience in the Baltics?&quot;

No because their sorry propaganda attempt of cutting off information and disinformation is nothing compared to our vastly superior well organized and massive propaganda machine.

The worlds largest and most sophisticated propaganda campaign is aimed at deliberately misleading the American public.

Eight thousand pages of documents related to the Pentagon&#039;s illegal propaganda campaign, known as the Pentagon military analyst program, are now online for the world to see! http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/ The most interesting and revealing of them previously secret and only available to the Pentagon and the New York Times.

Perhaps the most startling aspect of the road map is its acknowledgment that information put out as part of the Pentagon&#039;s psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm

Pentagon Will “Catapult the Propaganda” Via U.S. Media Military, government indoctrination wing formally declares psychological warfare on the American people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6100906.stm

The U.S. will engage in propaganda and indoctrination by using the Internet and media to “catapult the propaganda,”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/25/BL2005052501250.html

Lou Dobbs show
DOBBS: Roger, let me turn to one journalism question for all of you. As you know, the Washington Post reporting that the Pentagon used a number of—well, sources, if you will, for misinformation campaigns, including this network. What is your sense as to what should be both the reaction of the media, to being used by—for psyops operations by the Pentagon and what should be the reaction of the American people?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/03/ldt.01.html   

Pentagon propaganda bureau, Psychological Operations Command (PSYOPS), had placed their operatives in news divisions around the U.S.!
http://www.fair.org/activism/osi-propaganda.html

FAIR speculated that the purpose was twofold, one to directly propagandize the American people via CNN and also potentially to allow the “military to conduct an intelligence-gathering mission against the network itself,”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748

The Information Operations Roadmap will take the propaganda to the computer and television screens of Americans.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf

JSOU report states &quot;Hiring a block of bloggers to verbally attack a specific person or promote a specific message may be worth considering.&quot; &quot;Hacking the site and subtly changing the messages and data—merely a few words or phrases—may be sufficient to begin destroying the blogger’s credibility with the audience.&quot; Words and phrases such as the label Conspiracy theory, read page 35.
https://jsoupublic.socom.mil/publications/jsou/JSO

One of the complicit news agencies exposes the Pentagon&#039;s propaganda program but fails to mention their own &quot;documented&quot; support of the very same propaganda program: The New York Times reports about the Pentagon’s Hidden Hand http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html

In October 2005 Government Accountability Office investigators concluded that the Bush administration’s secret policy to pay off influential journalists to plant fake news was illegal and that the “administration had disseminated “covert propaganda” in the United States, in violation of a statutory ban.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/politics/01educ.html?ex=1285819200&amp;en=55a295038c3630e7&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss

Pentagons Office of Strategic Influence, was in operation before 9/11 and exploited legal loopholes by planting its propaganda in foreign newspapers like the BBC that would later be picked up by U.S. news wires.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1830500.stm

Paid by the administration eSapience promises to &quot;leverage our relationships with important and highly credible channels including AEI, AEI-Brookings, Hoover Institution, MIT, University of Chicago Law School and the Federalist Society, among others.
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-madce/case_no-1:2007cv10455/case_id-108190/

A company that was paid to misdirect and/or change the very CONVERSATIONS that our leaders are having! Also to create a favorable story or block media attention from story&#039;s that can be damaging to their neo-CON goals.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070312&amp;s=risen031607

They billed someone for &quot;paying off&quot; (or getting a favorable story from) a NYT reporter! But It didn&#039;t stop there as the Washington Post reports:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901150.html

$300 million for lies and propaganda to be feed to the American people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/10/AR2005061001910.html

Burson-Marsteller‘s BKSH &amp; Assocs., has been hired by The Lincoln Group, one of three firms selected last month by the U.S. Special Operations Command to wage psychological warfare on behalf of the Pentagon.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=BKSH_&amp;_Associates
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lincoln_Group

Col. James Treadwell, director of the Joint Psychological Operations Support Element, said TLG was selected to develop ‘cutting-edge types of media,’ including radio/TV ads, documentaries, text messages, Internet spots and podcasts for the U.S. military. The Pentagon expects to spend $3M in the first-year as a ‘test,’ and could spend up to $300M over five years if the ‘psyops’ operations conducted by TLG, SYColeman and Science Applications International Corp are deemed successful.”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SYColeman

A program on behalf of CENTCOM is also underway to help “catapult the propaganda,” on blogs and message boards.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1130-07.htm

CIA enlists Google&#039;s help for spy work.
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_

Google and the CIA are involved with one another and are censoring information.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4774

This isn’t the first time the search giant has been suspected of wrongdoing.
http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/search.aspx?q=Is+Google+a+Government+Spook?&amp;p=1

most claims of Google censorship involve the search engine being censored.
http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/archive/2006/06/30/11186.aspx

A former clandestine services officer for the CIA who also maintains close relationships with top Google representatives says that the company is “in bed with” the intelligence agency and the U.S. government.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061030-8105.html

The Google help page used to state that it did not censor search results. This policy has now changed and Google now carried that proviso that, “in response to local laws, regulations, or policies,” it may censor certain content.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/27/google_doesnt_censor/

Google’s censorship policies in China and even those directed against US websites that are mildly critical of China prove that the company that was founded on the principle “don’t be evil,” is slowly beginning to resemble the very controlling Big Brother image it claimed to despise.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm

Americas News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency
http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html

In the annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index the U.S. ranked 53rd which is bellow several dictatorships. The U.S. press is controlled as a tool for the dissemination of propaganda.
http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639

&quot;The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.&quot; ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA

So let the Russian bear rise its ugly propaganda head for we will cut it off and mount it on histories wall of failures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. What role did information warfare play in the Russia-Georgia war?&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously the strategic role of influencing  both U.S. public opinion and world opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.&#8221;<br />
Joseph Goebbels</p>
<p>   &#8220;2. Were there any signs of info war preparation?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes many, but it was happening LONG before what has been discussed here. For starters the CIA &#8220;did&#8221; know about the buildup and the Russian response was not only anticipated but hoped for so as to archive &#8220;TWO&#8221; goals. </p>
<p>#1 Giving us a chance to conduct our own information war to use this (expected) Russian reaction as an opportunity to keep the public focused on the rabid Bears brutality. </p>
<p>#2 Keeping the bear(and the public)busy while alerting (swaying) public opinion about the dangers the west faces so we can deal with Iran.</p>
<p>   &#8220;3. What were the major disinformation campaigns on each side?&#8221;</p>
<p>Russia denying that they were not only prepared for but eagerly anticipating (provoked)the attack by Georgia.  </p>
<p>America claiming ignorance of any foreknowledge that Georgia was about to launch a large attack into South Ossetia.</p>
<p>Georgia claiming that they were &#8220;only&#8221; retaliating against South Ossetian separatists and had not planned it nor planned an attack attack against Abkhazia.</p>
<p>short 1:32 second example of propaganda. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak59OjKPpA0&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak59OjKPpA0&amp;feature=related</a></p>
<p>   &#8220;4. Were attacks on the .ge domains effective? What were the lessons carried over from the previous cyberattack experience in the Baltics?&#8221;</p>
<p>No because their sorry propaganda attempt of cutting off information and disinformation is nothing compared to our vastly superior well organized and massive propaganda machine.</p>
<p>The worlds largest and most sophisticated propaganda campaign is aimed at deliberately misleading the American public.</p>
<p>Eight thousand pages of documents related to the Pentagon&#8217;s illegal propaganda campaign, known as the Pentagon military analyst program, are now online for the world to see! <a href="http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/</a> The most interesting and revealing of them previously secret and only available to the Pentagon and the New York Times.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most startling aspect of the road map is its acknowledgment that information put out as part of the Pentagon&#8217;s psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans.<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm</a></p>
<p>Pentagon Will “Catapult the Propaganda” Via U.S. Media Military, government indoctrination wing formally declares psychological warfare on the American people.<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6100906.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6100906.stm</a></p>
<p>The U.S. will engage in propaganda and indoctrination by using the Internet and media to “catapult the propaganda,”<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/25/BL2005052501250.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/05/25/BL2005052501250.html</a></p>
<p>Lou Dobbs show<br />
DOBBS: Roger, let me turn to one journalism question for all of you. As you know, the Washington Post reporting that the Pentagon used a number of—well, sources, if you will, for misinformation campaigns, including this network. What is your sense as to what should be both the reaction of the media, to being used by—for psyops operations by the Pentagon and what should be the reaction of the American people?<br />
<a href="http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/03/ldt.01.html" rel="nofollow">http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/03/ldt.01.html</a>   </p>
<p>Pentagon propaganda bureau, Psychological Operations Command (PSYOPS), had placed their operatives in news divisions around the U.S.!<br />
<a href="http://www.fair.org/activism/osi-propaganda.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fair.org/activism/osi-propaganda.html</a></p>
<p>FAIR speculated that the purpose was twofold, one to directly propagandize the American people via CNN and also potentially to allow the “military to conduct an intelligence-gathering mission against the network itself,”<br />
<a href="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748" rel="nofollow">http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1748</a></p>
<p>The Information Operations Roadmap will take the propaganda to the computer and television screens of Americans.<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf</a></p>
<p>JSOU report states &#8220;Hiring a block of bloggers to verbally attack a specific person or promote a specific message may be worth considering.&#8221; &#8220;Hacking the site and subtly changing the messages and data—merely a few words or phrases—may be sufficient to begin destroying the blogger’s credibility with the audience.&#8221; Words and phrases such as the label Conspiracy theory, read page 35.<br />
<a href="https://jsoupublic.socom.mil/publications/jsou/JSO" rel="nofollow">https://jsoupublic.socom.mil/publications/jsou/JSO</a></p>
<p>One of the complicit news agencies exposes the Pentagon&#8217;s propaganda program but fails to mention their own &#8220;documented&#8221; support of the very same propaganda program: The New York Times reports about the Pentagon’s Hidden Hand <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html</a></p>
<p>In October 2005 Government Accountability Office investigators concluded that the Bush administration’s secret policy to pay off influential journalists to plant fake news was illegal and that the “administration had disseminated “covert propaganda” in the United States, in violation of a statutory ban.”<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/politics/01educ.html?ex=1285819200&amp;en=55a295038c3630e7&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/01/politics/01educ.html?ex=1285819200&amp;en=55a295038c3630e7&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss</a></p>
<p>Pentagons Office of Strategic Influence, was in operation before 9/11 and exploited legal loopholes by planting its propaganda in foreign newspapers like the BBC that would later be picked up by U.S. news wires.<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1830500.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1830500.stm</a></p>
<p>Paid by the administration eSapience promises to &#8220;leverage our relationships with important and highly credible channels including AEI, AEI-Brookings, Hoover Institution, MIT, University of Chicago Law School and the Federalist Society, among others.<br />
<a href="http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-madce/case_no-1:2007cv10455/case_id-108190/" rel="nofollow">http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-madce/case_no-1:2007cv10455/case_id-108190/</a></p>
<p>A company that was paid to misdirect and/or change the very CONVERSATIONS that our leaders are having! Also to create a favorable story or block media attention from story&#8217;s that can be damaging to their neo-CON goals.<br />
<a href="http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070312&amp;s=risen031607" rel="nofollow">http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070312&amp;s=risen031607</a></p>
<p>They billed someone for &#8220;paying off&#8221; (or getting a favorable story from) a NYT reporter! But It didn&#8217;t stop there as the Washington Post reports:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901150.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901150.html</a></p>
<p>$300 million for lies and propaganda to be feed to the American people.<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/10/AR2005061001910.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/10/AR2005061001910.html</a></p>
<p>Burson-Marsteller‘s BKSH &amp; Assocs., has been hired by The Lincoln Group, one of three firms selected last month by the U.S. Special Operations Command to wage psychological warfare on behalf of the Pentagon.<br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Burson-Marsteller</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=BKSH_&amp;_Associates" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=BKSH_&amp;_Associates</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lincoln_Group" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lincoln_Group</a></p>
<p>Col. James Treadwell, director of the Joint Psychological Operations Support Element, said TLG was selected to develop ‘cutting-edge types of media,’ including radio/TV ads, documentaries, text messages, Internet spots and podcasts for the U.S. military. The Pentagon expects to spend $3M in the first-year as a ‘test,’ and could spend up to $300M over five years if the ‘psyops’ operations conducted by TLG, SYColeman and Science Applications International Corp are deemed successful.”<br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SYColeman" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SYColeman</a></p>
<p>A program on behalf of CENTCOM is also underway to help “catapult the propaganda,” on blogs and message boards.<br />
<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1130-07.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1130-07.htm</a></p>
<p>CIA enlists Google&#8217;s help for spy work.<br />
<a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_" rel="nofollow">http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_</a></p>
<p>Google and the CIA are involved with one another and are censoring information.<br />
<a href="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4774" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4774</a></p>
<p>This isn’t the first time the search giant has been suspected of wrongdoing.<br />
<a href="http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/search.aspx?q=Is+Google+a+Government+Spook?&amp;p=1" rel="nofollow">http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/search.aspx?q=Is+Google+a+Government+Spook?&amp;p=1</a></p>
<p>most claims of Google censorship involve the search engine being censored.<br />
<a href="http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/archive/2006/06/30/11186.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://googlewatch.eweek.com/blogs/google_watch/archive/2006/06/30/11186.aspx</a></p>
<p>A former clandestine services officer for the CIA who also maintains close relationships with top Google representatives says that the company is “in bed with” the intelligence agency and the U.S. government.<br />
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061030-8105.html" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061030-8105.html</a></p>
<p>The Google help page used to state that it did not censor search results. This policy has now changed and Google now carried that proviso that, “in response to local laws, regulations, or policies,” it may censor certain content.<br />
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/27/google_doesnt_censor/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/27/google_doesnt_censor/</a></p>
<p>Google’s censorship policies in China and even those directed against US websites that are mildly critical of China prove that the company that was founded on the principle “don’t be evil,” is slowly beginning to resemble the very controlling Big Brother image it claimed to despise.<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm</a></p>
<p>Americas News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency<br />
<a href="http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html" rel="nofollow">http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html</a></p>
<p>In the annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index the U.S. ranked 53rd which is bellow several dictatorships. The U.S. press is controlled as a tool for the dissemination of propaganda.<br />
<a href="http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsf.org/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=639</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.&#8221; ~ William Colby, Former Director, CIA</p>
<p>So let the Russian bear rise its ugly propaganda head for we will cut it off and mount it on histories wall of failures.</p>
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		<title>By: Eggplant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eggplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Konyok said:

&quot;Eggplant, Forgive me if I sounded criticial, or, egads, pedantic.&quot;

Not a problem.  I welcome correction or constructive criticism.

Konyok also said:

&quot;It’s just that the FSB usage here has gotten universal and I think that we need to name our enemies precisely.  GRU is a monstrous and evil organization that slinked its way through the fall of the Soviet Union because it had no domestic enemies except the KGB.&quot;

I remember reading about the GRU from the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (may he rest in peace).  However I&#039;ve never done any real study of the organization.  The following wikipedia article is of interest (I&#039;m amused that the GRU uses the bat as their emblem):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Konyok said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Eggplant, Forgive me if I sounded criticial, or, egads, pedantic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not a problem.  I welcome correction or constructive criticism.</p>
<p>Konyok also said:</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s just that the FSB usage here has gotten universal and I think that we need to name our enemies precisely.  GRU is a monstrous and evil organization that slinked its way through the fall of the Soviet Union because it had no domestic enemies except the KGB.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember reading about the GRU from the writings of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (may he rest in peace).  However I&#8217;ve never done any real study of the organization.  The following wikipedia article is of interest (I&#8217;m amused that the GRU uses the bat as their emblem):</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU</a></p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DP,
&quot;are they fighting insurgents or downing russian migs, who knows….. Russians tracking where they are coming or going, yeah, they’re coming from the South, what is that going to prove?&quot;

You don&#039;t think the Russian monitor flight activity, know exactly where the various squadrons are based out of, and have people monitoring and reporting? I guarantee they do. They know a lot more about us than we do about them. And shutting down the tunnel at this point doesn&#039;t stop anything, just makes it a little harder for them. The Russians can resupply by sea or air. 

As far as no proof that it was the U.S., you&#039;re wrong there, too. Missiles and bombs also leave evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DP,<br />
&#8220;are they fighting insurgents or downing russian migs, who knows….. Russians tracking where they are coming or going, yeah, they’re coming from the South, what is that going to prove?&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think the Russian monitor flight activity, know exactly where the various squadrons are based out of, and have people monitoring and reporting? I guarantee they do. They know a lot more about us than we do about them. And shutting down the tunnel at this point doesn&#8217;t stop anything, just makes it a little harder for them. The Russians can resupply by sea or air. </p>
<p>As far as no proof that it was the U.S., you&#8217;re wrong there, too. Missiles and bombs also leave evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Salt, mind if i make a hyperlink for your link --it&#039;s short &amp; sweet &amp; right between the eyes, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121858681748935101.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;really, a must-read.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Salt, mind if i make a hyperlink for your link &#8211;it&#8217;s short &amp; sweet &amp; right between the eyes, and <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121858681748935101.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries" rel="nofollow">really, a must-read.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim,MtnViewCA,USA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim,MtnViewCA,USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Russia will likely lose G8 and OSCE memberships for quite some time..&quot;
Or will the Euros cut ties with the US and drift closer to Russia? Are any Euro countries stepping back from the the naval exercise, for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Russia will likely lose G8 and OSCE memberships for quite some time..&#8221;<br />
Or will the Euros cut ties with the US and drift closer to Russia? Are any Euro countries stepping back from the the naval exercise, for example?</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1T4GGLL_en&amp;q=vilnius+massacre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Remember Vilnius?&lt;/a&gt;

also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/022856.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Belmont reg M. Simon&lt;/a&gt; and an Insta-Poll on &#039;who won?&#039; (not same link as Cannoneer&#039;s above)

(Captain Hate --thanks --any nice word from a Captain of Hate is truly a nice word indeed!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;rlz=1T4GGLL_en&amp;q=vilnius+massacre" rel="nofollow">Remember Vilnius?</a></p>
<p>also, <a href="http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/022856.php" rel="nofollow">Belmont reg M. Simon</a> and an Insta-Poll on &#8216;who won?&#8217; (not same link as Cannoneer&#8217;s above)</p>
<p>(Captain Hate &#8211;thanks &#8211;any nice word from a Captain of Hate is truly a nice word indeed!)</p>
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		<title>By: OldSalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldSalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Konyok</title>
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		<dc:creator>Konyok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eggplant,
Forgive me if I sounded criticial, or, egads, pedantic.
It&#039;s just that the FSB usage here has gotten universal and I think that we need to name our enemies precisely.
GRU is a monstrous and evil organization that slinked its way through the fall of the Soviet Union because it had no domestic enemies except the KGB. This viper resonates perfectly with native Russian xenophobia and naturally forms itself around the hand of its new master - Volodya Putin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eggplant,<br />
Forgive me if I sounded criticial, or, egads, pedantic.<br />
It&#8217;s just that the FSB usage here has gotten universal and I think that we need to name our enemies precisely.<br />
GRU is a monstrous and evil organization that slinked its way through the fall of the Soviet Union because it had no domestic enemies except the KGB. This viper resonates perfectly with native Russian xenophobia and naturally forms itself around the hand of its new master &#8211; Volodya Putin.</p>
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