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		<title>By: Steynian 224 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/13/choose/comment-page-10/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator>Steynian 224 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ALTHOUGH analysts may debate how far Putin decides to go in Georgia, its actions are indistinguishable from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt; I am glad that Bush and Co likes to be effective rather than be a braggart and strut their macho. Bush can do the macho but he has to think carefully about the consequences &lt;/i&gt;&quot;
RAH,
Shaaskavilli does all the struting and bragging for him!
...and Condi and Company keep telling him we won&#039;t go to War for any of his displays that get out of hand.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/world/europe/15georgia.html?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russia Vows to Support Two Enclaves, in Retort to Bush&lt;/a&gt;

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates declared that Russia’s actions now required a full reassessment of administration efforts to create “an ongoing and long-term strategic dialogue with Russia.”

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/georgia-crisis-upends-vacations-sort-of/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Lede: Georgia Crisis Upends Vacations, Sort of&lt;/a&gt;

In the Russian capital, as it happens, there are signs that dachas will be emptying by the dozens for a vote to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent of Georgia. As RIA Novosti reported, “It is quite possible that both houses of the Russian parliament will interrupt their vacation.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i> I am glad that Bush and Co likes to be effective rather than be a braggart and strut their macho. Bush can do the macho but he has to think carefully about the consequences </i>&#8221;<br />
RAH,<br />
Shaaskavilli does all the struting and bragging for him!<br />
&#8230;and Condi and Company keep telling him we won&#8217;t go to War for any of his displays that get out of hand.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/15/world/europe/15georgia.html?hp" rel="nofollow">Russia Vows to Support Two Enclaves, in Retort to Bush</a></p>
<p>Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates declared that Russia’s actions now required a full reassessment of administration efforts to create “an ongoing and long-term strategic dialogue with Russia.”</p>
<p><a href="http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/georgia-crisis-upends-vacations-sort-of/" rel="nofollow">The Lede: Georgia Crisis Upends Vacations, Sort of</a></p>
<p>In the Russian capital, as it happens, there are signs that dachas will be emptying by the dozens for a vote to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent of Georgia. As RIA Novosti reported, “It is quite possible that both houses of the Russian parliament will interrupt their vacation.”</p>
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		<title>By: copperhead</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/13/choose/comment-page-10/#comment-5966</link>
		<dc:creator>copperhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;A CZAR IS BORN&quot; 

It&#039;s too soon to judge the results of this situation, but, at this moment in time, things aren&#039;t looking good for Russia now that we have responded. That may change. Who knows what is happening behind the scenes or what may be in motion elsewhere. I&#039;m not familiar with Peters or his style.. perhaps his aim is something like satire, or his purpose is to spur people into action or remind them that life is cruel and evil truly exists. I can&#039;t accurately tell if he is serious or not.. I&#039;ve seen too many glittered Valentines for Putin and petty thugs like him. I&#039;m reminded of that leftist lesbian blogger who, knowing full well what others suffer in Iran, still gushed over Ahmadinejad and his eyes, or every dope that dresses himself in Che&#039;s face. What is the appeal?</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s too soon to judge the results of this situation, but, at this moment in time, things aren&#8217;t looking good for Russia now that we have responded. That may change. Who knows what is happening behind the scenes or what may be in motion elsewhere. I&#8217;m not familiar with Peters or his style.. perhaps his aim is something like satire, or his purpose is to spur people into action or remind them that life is cruel and evil truly exists. I can&#8217;t accurately tell if he is serious or not.. I&#8217;ve seen too many glittered Valentines for Putin and petty thugs like him. I&#8217;m reminded of that leftist lesbian blogger who, knowing full well what others suffer in Iran, still gushed over Ahmadinejad and his eyes, or every dope that dresses himself in Che&#8217;s face. What is the appeal?</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rah, I agree with you, the only genius here is Shaaskavilli. He was no fool when he upped the ante on the # of troops in Iraq from 500 to 2000 last year- the largest # of troops after US and UK.
That&#039;s the kind of thing Bush appreciates. Last week he called in his chits. The georgian soldiers in Iraq were brought back in US military cargo planes within 24hrs of the Russians incursion. From that time on there were overt US assets in play. I don&#039;t think Putin was about to risk a bomb hitting a stray US &quot;advisor&quot; from that moment on. That&#039;s why the Russians are strutting around the garden, but don&#039;t dare come inside the house.
The US didn&#039;t blink, Putin did. If he hadn&#039;t, he&#039;d already be in Tiblisi. Let Genius Putin sink a few Georgian ships, and burn as many tanks as he wants. Let him destroy villages, etc. Then dummy Bush will just replace the old worn out hardware with new ones, plus a few goodies for pain and suffering, and a whole crew of &quot;humanitarian workers&quot; will stay in Georgia for years, and I mean years, to rebuild all that devastation.
Maybe Shaaskavilli misjudged the reaction of Russia, but maybe he also wanted to force the US hand. Comments from State Dept. seem to indicate that US felt &quot;played&quot;, but once the pipeline was bombed, US really had no choice. The pipeline was being offered to US on a Shaaskavilli plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rah, I agree with you, the only genius here is Shaaskavilli. He was no fool when he upped the ante on the # of troops in Iraq from 500 to 2000 last year- the largest # of troops after US and UK.<br />
That&#8217;s the kind of thing Bush appreciates. Last week he called in his chits. The georgian soldiers in Iraq were brought back in US military cargo planes within 24hrs of the Russians incursion. From that time on there were overt US assets in play. I don&#8217;t think Putin was about to risk a bomb hitting a stray US &#8220;advisor&#8221; from that moment on. That&#8217;s why the Russians are strutting around the garden, but don&#8217;t dare come inside the house.<br />
The US didn&#8217;t blink, Putin did. If he hadn&#8217;t, he&#8217;d already be in Tiblisi. Let Genius Putin sink a few Georgian ships, and burn as many tanks as he wants. Let him destroy villages, etc. Then dummy Bush will just replace the old worn out hardware with new ones, plus a few goodies for pain and suffering, and a whole crew of &#8220;humanitarian workers&#8221; will stay in Georgia for years, and I mean years, to rebuild all that devastation.<br />
Maybe Shaaskavilli misjudged the reaction of Russia, but maybe he also wanted to force the US hand. Comments from State Dept. seem to indicate that US felt &#8220;played&#8221;, but once the pipeline was bombed, US really had no choice. The pipeline was being offered to US on a Shaaskavilli plate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gates had to say that to get the troops in. Now we are there. Still waiting for the tunnel to go boom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates had to say that to get the troops in. Now we are there. Still waiting for the tunnel to go boom.</p>
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		<title>By: RAH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Gates said we did not expect military action in the humanitarian mission. He explained the context, which was carefully nuanced.


Gates and all have to play a delicate dance. This is to speak softly and carry a big stick. Using the military rather than just the Red Cross is a big stick. It is like if Russia attempts to stop us, we say sorry I am going through anyway and you have to attack me to stop me. Russians forces, not the irregulars, have to be told not to cause a confrontation.

 The media wants Bush and Co. to say yes we are using the humanitarian mission as a way to force the Russians out. The administration would be stupid to be that obvious. It gets the Russian pride insulted. We said that Russia must allow access and we expect that. Russia has complied to that implied threat. 

Too many people want to strut rather than be effective. I am glad that Bush and Co likes to be effective rather than be a braggart and strut their macho. Bush can do the macho but he has to think carefully about the consequences .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Gates said we did not expect military action in the humanitarian mission. He explained the context, which was carefully nuanced.</p>
<p>Gates and all have to play a delicate dance. This is to speak softly and carry a big stick. Using the military rather than just the Red Cross is a big stick. It is like if Russia attempts to stop us, we say sorry I am going through anyway and you have to attack me to stop me. Russians forces, not the irregulars, have to be told not to cause a confrontation.</p>
<p> The media wants Bush and Co. to say yes we are using the humanitarian mission as a way to force the Russians out. The administration would be stupid to be that obvious. It gets the Russian pride insulted. We said that Russia must allow access and we expect that. Russia has complied to that implied threat. </p>
<p>Too many people want to strut rather than be effective. I am glad that Bush and Co likes to be effective rather than be a braggart and strut their macho. Bush can do the macho but he has to think carefully about the consequences .</p>
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		<title>By: cjm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>georgia will have the best infrastructure in the region, once it is rebuilt.   and it will be impregnable to russian or turkish advances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>georgia will have the best infrastructure in the region, once it is rebuilt.   and it will be impregnable to russian or turkish advances.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080814/D92IAAJ84.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Russia &#039;controls a third of Georgia&#039;...&lt;/a&gt; 
The White House said it was ignoring Russian &quot;bluster&quot; about Georgia never regaining disputed border regions. 
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Gates told reporters he believes Russia has decided &quot;to punish Georgia for daring to try to integrate with the West.&quot;
Well, duh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080814/D92IAAJ84.html" rel="nofollow">Russia &#8216;controls a third of Georgia&#8217;&#8230;</a><br />
The White House said it was ignoring Russian &#8220;bluster&#8221; about Georgia never regaining disputed border regions.<br />
&#8212;<br />
Gates told reporters he believes Russia has decided &#8220;to punish Georgia for daring to try to integrate with the West.&#8221;<br />
Well, duh!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is the World&#039;s most successful Democracy is being rubbled.
...and it hasn&#039;t stopped yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is the World&#8217;s most successful Democracy is being rubbled.<br />
&#8230;and it hasn&#8217;t stopped yet.</p>
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		<title>By: John Samford</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lifeofthemind:

What did Gates say?

NO military action.  Of any kind for any reason.
Those were not his exact words, but the gist of his message.
Why does America have a military budget if we won&#039;t use military force?
Meanwhile, about 2 hours after his words, the Russians resumed their advance.

&quot;That was George Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion. And if he had not done all these evil and nefarious things, no USA today.&quot;

I think you misunderstood me, which means I made a mistake.  It is the person communicating that has the responsibility to make sure the point is made.
What I was saying is that when the Republic is trgheatend, the President will take what actions he deems necessary to save it, and dam the law.  This was in response to another posters comment (about 77665654432234567886 posts ago) about the President not being able to change the law.  If ignoring it isn&#039;t &#039;change&#039;, What is?
I am not as optimistic as most.  Even if the US manages to pull a diplomatic rabbit out of a hat, nothing will repair the damage done by allowing the Russians to overrun Georgia.  Even if we repave the streets with gold.
Paying the Danegeld DOES not get rid of the Dane.

&quot;You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.&quot;
Churchill&#039;s remark after Chamberlain returned from signing the Munich pact with Hitler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lifeofthemind:</p>
<p>What did Gates say?</p>
<p>NO military action.  Of any kind for any reason.<br />
Those were not his exact words, but the gist of his message.<br />
Why does America have a military budget if we won&#8217;t use military force?<br />
Meanwhile, about 2 hours after his words, the Russians resumed their advance.</p>
<p>&#8220;That was George Washington and the Whiskey Rebellion. And if he had not done all these evil and nefarious things, no USA today.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood me, which means I made a mistake.  It is the person communicating that has the responsibility to make sure the point is made.<br />
What I was saying is that when the Republic is trgheatend, the President will take what actions he deems necessary to save it, and dam the law.  This was in response to another posters comment (about 77665654432234567886 posts ago) about the President not being able to change the law.  If ignoring it isn&#8217;t &#8216;change&#8217;, What is?<br />
I am not as optimistic as most.  Even if the US manages to pull a diplomatic rabbit out of a hat, nothing will repair the damage done by allowing the Russians to overrun Georgia.  Even if we repave the streets with gold.<br />
Paying the Danegeld DOES not get rid of the Dane.</p>
<p>&#8220;You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor and you will have war.&#8221;<br />
Churchill&#8217;s remark after Chamberlain returned from signing the Munich pact with Hitler</p>
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