Comments on: The fire in Russia http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/ Just another Pajamasmedia.com weblog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:07:49 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: M. Simon http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7455 M. Simon Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:08:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7455 Charles, Here is another energy gambit our military is funding: <a href="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2008/06/fusion-update-13-june-008.html" rel="nofollow">Fusion Report 13 June 008</a> Charles,

Here is another energy gambit our military is funding:

Fusion Report 13 June 008

]]> By: M. Simon http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7454 M. Simon Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:55:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7454 <i>Since this has become a hot war and a war of economics and deceit by Putin shouldn’t we do the same?</i> We will have 3 weeks of building up "humanitarian" supplies and reforming the Georgian Army. When "the Comfort" arrives and is established I expect the counter attack to begin. The "Kossacks" are rampaging in the hopes of bringing the Georgian Army to battle prematurely. That this is not happening shows a supreme discipline. It must be very hard. Since this has become a hot war and a war of economics and deceit by Putin shouldn’t we do the same?

We will have 3 weeks of building up “humanitarian” supplies and reforming the Georgian Army. When “the Comfort” arrives and is established I expect the counter attack to begin.

The “Kossacks” are rampaging in the hopes of bringing the Georgian Army to battle prematurely. That this is not happening shows a supreme discipline. It must be very hard.

]]> By: Doug http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7425 Doug Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:12:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7425 <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/08/19/nytfrontpage/20080819POD_index.html?8dpc" rel="nofollow"> Georgian prisoners were held on a Russian armored personnel carrier</a> after being detained by Russian troops in the Black Sea port city of Poti, Georgia. On a day when Russian troops continued to dig in to positions across Georgia, the detention of the troops was further evidence of continued military activity on Georgian territory by Russia despite assurances that its troops would withdraw.
Georgian prisoners were held on a Russian armored personnel carrier after being detained by Russian troops in the Black Sea port city of Poti, Georgia.

On a day when Russian troops continued to dig in to positions across Georgia, the detention of the troops was further evidence of continued military activity on Georgian territory by Russia despite assurances that its troops would withdraw.

]]> By: Doug http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7415 Doug Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:26:23 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7415 If Russia’s leaders insist on murdering Russian culture, there is not much the West can do to stop them. What the West can do is encourage Russia’s best engineering, scientific, and artistic talent to continue its work in the West. There, it can make a contribution to Western civilization, to itself, and to defending against nuclear proliferation and terrorism. <a href="http://westhawk.blogspot.com/2008/08/putin-needs-west-more-than-west-needs.html" rel="nofollow"> - Westhawk - </a> If Russia’s leaders insist on murdering Russian culture, there is not much the West can do to stop them. What the West can do is encourage Russia’s best engineering, scientific, and artistic talent to continue its work in the West. There, it can make a contribution to Western civilization, to itself, and to defending against nuclear proliferation and terrorism.

– Westhawk –

]]> By: Doug http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7410 Doug Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:59:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7410 <a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/07/25/george-jonas-on-robert-kagan-the-biggest-threat-to-liberalism-liberalism-itself.aspx" rel="nofollow"> George Jonas on Robert Kagan The biggest threat to liberalism Liberalism itself. </a> Man proposes, God disposes. Man proposed the democratization of autocracies; God disposed the autocratization of democracies. Russia may have moved closer to America materially, but America has moved closer to Russia spiritually. --- I think the force with the greatest capacity for becoming a threat to liberal democracy is liberalism itself — meaning loony-liberalism, a kind of ideological ménage à trois between Timothy Leary, Karl Marx and Al Gore, at once passionate and arid, that in Western societies has all but captured the educational and judicial machinery of the state. In some, it’s a virtual state religion... --- It’s rutting season, and the deer are alert. Younger stags have retreated to the rill, licking their wounds. Some foul old stags are fighting it out in the clearing. Watching them from the hillside, a young hind is very excited. “<em>Which one will win, which one will win?” she presses a mature mamma-deer standing next to her. “I don’t know,” says the experienced hind, “but I can tell you this. Whoever wins, you and I will be screwed.”</em> George Jonas on Robert Kagan
The biggest threat to liberalism Liberalism itself.

Man proposes, God disposes. Man proposed the democratization of autocracies; God disposed the autocratization of democracies. Russia may have moved closer to America materially, but America has moved closer to Russia spiritually.
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I think the force with the greatest capacity for becoming a threat to liberal democracy is liberalism itself — meaning loony-liberalism, a kind of ideological ménage à trois between Timothy Leary, Karl Marx and Al Gore, at once passionate and arid, that in Western societies has all but captured the educational and judicial machinery of the state. In some, it’s a virtual state religion…
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It’s rutting season, and the deer are alert. Younger stags have retreated to the rill, licking their wounds. Some foul old stags are fighting it out in the clearing. Watching them from the hillside, a young hind is very excited.

“Which one will win, which one will win?” she presses a mature mamma-deer standing next to her.

“I don’t know,” says the experienced hind,
“but I can tell you this.
Whoever wins, you and I will be screwed.”

]]> By: 2x4 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7393 2x4 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:54:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7393 Neolex, most of the original Chechen jihadis are either dead or exiled. These Chechen units are composed from leftovers. Russian offered a deal: "You can't attack and kill Russian infidels, or we'll eradicate you. But as a part of our agreement, we'll provide opportuities to kill some other infidels. Deal?" I am paraphrasing, but that is basically the scope of it. Neolex, most of the original Chechen jihadis are either dead or exiled. These Chechen units are composed from leftovers. Russian offered a deal: “You can’t attack and kill Russian infidels, or we’ll eradicate you. But as a part of our agreement, we’ll provide opportuities to kill some other infidels. Deal?”

I am paraphrasing, but that is basically the scope of it.

]]> By: neolex http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7368 neolex Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:30 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7368 @miki Were they the same Jihadists? Were they granted refuge in Georgian mountains, or was it an excuse used by Russian for military build-up and operations near Kodori gorge? Sources, please. Simply saying something doesn't make it true. Despite, you ability to "call it as it is." @miki

Were they the same Jihadists? Were they granted refuge in Georgian mountains, or was it an excuse used by Russian for military build-up and operations near Kodori gorge? Sources, please. Simply saying something doesn’t make it true. Despite, you ability to “call it as it is.”

]]> By: mika. http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7351 mika. Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:47:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7351 all the killing is being done by Chechens == The same Chechen Jihadis who were given refuge from the Russians in the Georgian mountains. all the killing is being done by Chechens
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The same Chechen Jihadis who were given refuge from the Russians in the Georgian mountains.

]]> By: Doug http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7346 Doug Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:11:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7346 Amen, 2x4 Steve @ Threatswatch.com said... "<i>I have a student who was born in Tblisi, has family still there. Says they called him and said all the killing is being done by Chechens, who ahve been loosed like dogs, first in Ossettia, then into Gori from there. I said to him that they were used because they don't care, and fight like animals. He just nodded.</i>" Amen, 2×4

Steve @ Threatswatch.com said…
“I have a student who was born in Tblisi, has family still there.

Says they called him and said all the killing is being done by Chechens, who ahve been loosed like dogs, first in Ossettia, then into Gori from there.

I said to him that they were used because they don’t care, and fight like animals.
He just nodded.“

]]> By: 2x4 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/comment-page-2/#comment-7332 2x4 Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:19:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/17/the-fire-in-russia/#comment-7332 Supercargo, are you suggesting that Soviet concepts about nationalism or lack of it thereof are then arbiter in deciding what is or what is not a nation? And you're otherwise feeling ok? Georgia as a nation and for the most part of history as a territory is predating Russians by a millenium. Supercargo, are you suggesting that Soviet concepts about nationalism or lack of it thereof are then arbiter in deciding what is or what is not a nation?

And you’re otherwise feeling ok?

Georgia as a nation and for the most part of history as a territory is predating Russians by a millenium.

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