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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-9239</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade - My bad? - Folks don&#039;t seem to be reading too closely - course that&#039;s probably my fault...But you&#039;re right to notice what you noticed. Cut out another phrase re the &quot;uses of solidarity&quot; that separated me from the poster, my pops, who was lways more singular than moi - Better mind...less at ease with communal impulses...There are exemplare soundtracks here that are (mildly) telling - He played jazz (well) - all about cultivating his un-massified voice. I had to go disco (at a certain point). Post-60s - More fervor - and less fear - in my head/house re the collective experience...I&#039;d have been easier, for example, than my pop in black churches...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade &#8211; My bad? &#8211; Folks don&#8217;t seem to be reading too closely &#8211; course that&#8217;s probably my fault&#8230;But you&#8217;re right to notice what you noticed. Cut out another phrase re the &#8220;uses of solidarity&#8221; that separated me from the poster, my pops, who was lways more singular than moi &#8211; Better mind&#8230;less at ease with communal impulses&#8230;There are exemplare soundtracks here that are (mildly) telling &#8211; He played jazz (well) &#8211; all about cultivating his un-massified voice. I had to go disco (at a certain point). Post-60s &#8211; More fervor &#8211; and less fear &#8211; in my head/house re the collective experience&#8230;I&#8217;d have been easier, for example, than my pop in black churches&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Obama opens Ayers can of worms, McCain camp responds (Updated 3x) &#124; Barack Obama Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama opens Ayers can of worms, McCain camp responds (Updated 3x) &#124; Barack Obama Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Fernandez at the Belmont Club (Pajamas Media) posted a YouTube unification to Ayers &#8220;describing his educational belief to Luis Bonilla-Molina, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8870</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What galls the heck out of me is the willful support of grandiose actions that do not live up to their billing (OSI), have long term debilitating effect on social and cultural institutions and extremely detrimental consequences on people&#039;s lives. Yet these schemes are lauded based on titles and reports, with out applying the same transparency to that effort which the effort asks, no demands, of its targets. Whats up with that? The OSI reads like the Immigration reform bill, and provides more opportunity for fraud than a Tax Exempt Foundation.

 If you haven&#039;t figured out what questions to ask, much less answer then perhaps you ought to be used to venting.

 You fear being &quot;massified&quot;? And think the natural human state is mediocrity? That says a great deal about your perspective. 

 I don&#039;t believe Mr. Soros methods of political manipulation, as  demonstrated in his support for the activities of Code Pink and organizations of similar style, land far from the Soviet Socialist style. Yet while I recognize the struggle some would have in believing an accusation was made, the similarities as well as the differences are there. Additionally, there are fundamental differences between what Chapter 77 accomplished and OSI funded initiatives state they strive to attain. There is demonstrably more to it...than mere slop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What galls the heck out of me is the willful support of grandiose actions that do not live up to their billing (OSI), have long term debilitating effect on social and cultural institutions and extremely detrimental consequences on people&#8217;s lives. Yet these schemes are lauded based on titles and reports, with out applying the same transparency to that effort which the effort asks, no demands, of its targets. Whats up with that? The OSI reads like the Immigration reform bill, and provides more opportunity for fraud than a Tax Exempt Foundation.</p>
<p> If you haven&#8217;t figured out what questions to ask, much less answer then perhaps you ought to be used to venting.</p>
<p> You fear being &#8220;massified&#8221;? And think the natural human state is mediocrity? That says a great deal about your perspective. </p>
<p> I don&#8217;t believe Mr. Soros methods of political manipulation, as  demonstrated in his support for the activities of Code Pink and organizations of similar style, land far from the Soviet Socialist style. Yet while I recognize the struggle some would have in believing an accusation was made, the similarities as well as the differences are there. Additionally, there are fundamental differences between what Chapter 77 accomplished and OSI funded initiatives state they strive to attain. There is demonstrably more to it&#8230;than mere slop.</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8811</link>
		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup - fear/fervency - two sides of a coin in a currency I would rather not trade in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup &#8211; fear/fervency &#8211; two sides of a coin in a currency I would rather not trade in.</p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8756</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between fear and fervency - That&#039;s nice - A fam member once said he hated the political season because it turned him into a &quot;fan&quot; ...

&quot;...election time is self-simplification time. The temptation grows to stop being a person who thinks - a thinking being as distinguished from a fan. Somebody sustained by the habit of trying to talk back to pseudo-thought wherever it originates, in political season and out ­ the stuff that paves the world with con.

I&#039;m venting, of course. When you feel yourself being not so gradually massified back into the natural human mediocre state, you vent. The case is that I can&#039;t wait for the day after Election Day and the chance to aspire to a better self.&quot;

I&#039;ll admit this time around I think O&#039;s aspirational side means I won&#039;t have to wait. But, no lies, my guy&#039;s BS will stink as much as Mac&#039;s. The Wind Will Carry them - With Joe - &quot;literally&quot; - Biden by their side. Just hope it don&#039;t smell too bad!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between fear and fervency &#8211; That&#8217;s nice &#8211; A fam member once said he hated the political season because it turned him into a &#8220;fan&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;election time is self-simplification time. The temptation grows to stop being a person who thinks &#8211; a thinking being as distinguished from a fan. Somebody sustained by the habit of trying to talk back to pseudo-thought wherever it originates, in political season and out ­ the stuff that paves the world with con.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m venting, of course. When you feel yourself being not so gradually massified back into the natural human mediocre state, you vent. The case is that I can&#8217;t wait for the day after Election Day and the chance to aspire to a better self.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit this time around I think O&#8217;s aspirational side means I won&#8217;t have to wait. But, no lies, my guy&#8217;s BS will stink as much as Mac&#8217;s. The Wind Will Carry them &#8211; With Joe &#8211; &#8220;literally&#8221; &#8211; Biden by their side. Just hope it don&#8217;t smell too bad!!!</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8716</link>
		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binj
One of my favorite quotes is &quot;Politics is a game of elegant ideas played by bullies.&quot;  That seems to be true to a significant degree, but I&#039;d like to think that it&#039;s not true of all political leaders (not MY guy), but I really don&#039;t know.  

The song says &quot;I swear there ain&#039;t no heaven but I pray there ain&#039;t no hell.&quot;  Fear and fervency are two poles between which swings personal judgment; too close to either one tells me to check the facts. Mythology as metaphor is important, but I don&#039;t confuse mythology as FACT. 

That loud sucking sound I hear from a dearth of facts is not comforting, and facts I want to look for.  Posing is still just....posing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binj<br />
One of my favorite quotes is &#8220;Politics is a game of elegant ideas played by bullies.&#8221;  That seems to be true to a significant degree, but I&#8217;d like to think that it&#8217;s not true of all political leaders (not MY guy), but I really don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p>The song says &#8220;I swear there ain&#8217;t no heaven but I pray there ain&#8217;t no hell.&#8221;  Fear and fervency are two poles between which swings personal judgment; too close to either one tells me to check the facts. Mythology as metaphor is important, but I don&#8217;t confuse mythology as FACT. </p>
<p>That loud sucking sound I hear from a dearth of facts is not comforting, and facts I want to look for.  Posing is still just&#8230;.posing.</p>
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		<title>By: Benj</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8695</link>
		<dc:creator>Benj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy - Glad to have YOU push back on Soros. But (as I said) he&#039;s not my guy - And he&#039;s much closer to YOUR side than to Reds! For better and worse, as your eloquent - no irony -  apology for Open Capitalist Societies underscores... 

Appreciate your concern for those &quot;millions of little savers&quot; - Might consider pressing yourself a little harder there - Go back to that speed-up and realize some - Millions! - of workers you blithely advise to &quot;resign&quot; if they don&#039;t like their time-on-the-cross might not have other options (even if as per Dick they might LIKE to have &quot;other priorities&quot;). I smiled when I read your response there. But, for real, it was heartless...Marx found more than a few folks who offered up your sort of sentiments back in the day - He made them pay for all time in his fierce footnotes. Somewhere in China right now, I bet there&#039;s a guy sneaking a peak at one of the Old Moor&#039;s hard lines and thinking ahead...

Wretch - you offered that &quot;I&#039;m not running for office&quot; defense about 7 months ago. It was weak then - Weaker now. Be as HARD as you want on OBama. Hell, he almost made me, ah, retch, when I heard tell of cozying up to some lame tv newsman who was having a birthday - O came into the studio avec cupcake and candle. I don&#039;t feature bow downing to suck-ups...

But when you ratchet up fears of Obama&#039;s &quot;fascistic&quot; tendencies here, you&#039;re amping up many Clubbers who are already locked on paranoid styles of politics. It&#039;s, to use your phrase, anti-democratic. 

Wretchs fascism line reminds me of a Leslie Fiedler story - Fiedler was a cultural critic who was way ahead of his time...Said/wrote many outrageously sharp things that pissed off P.C. types AND cultural conservatives..Anyway he was musing one time about how badly Germans responded to one of his lectures/panel performances. Fiedler &quot;performed&quot; when he was on stage - Never confused being entertaining/interesting with dumbing dowm. After the gig - one Hun explained to him - &quot;Germans don&#039;t like charisma.&quot; They got an excuse...But Americans aren&#039;t Germans. No reason to piss on a pol BECAUSE he has a gift (from God as my wife would say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy &#8211; Glad to have YOU push back on Soros. But (as I said) he&#8217;s not my guy &#8211; And he&#8217;s much closer to YOUR side than to Reds! For better and worse, as your eloquent &#8211; no irony &#8211;  apology for Open Capitalist Societies underscores&#8230; </p>
<p>Appreciate your concern for those &#8220;millions of little savers&#8221; &#8211; Might consider pressing yourself a little harder there &#8211; Go back to that speed-up and realize some &#8211; Millions! &#8211; of workers you blithely advise to &#8220;resign&#8221; if they don&#8217;t like their time-on-the-cross might not have other options (even if as per Dick they might LIKE to have &#8220;other priorities&#8221;). I smiled when I read your response there. But, for real, it was heartless&#8230;Marx found more than a few folks who offered up your sort of sentiments back in the day &#8211; He made them pay for all time in his fierce footnotes. Somewhere in China right now, I bet there&#8217;s a guy sneaking a peak at one of the Old Moor&#8217;s hard lines and thinking ahead&#8230;</p>
<p>Wretch &#8211; you offered that &#8220;I&#8217;m not running for office&#8221; defense about 7 months ago. It was weak then &#8211; Weaker now. Be as HARD as you want on OBama. Hell, he almost made me, ah, retch, when I heard tell of cozying up to some lame tv newsman who was having a birthday &#8211; O came into the studio avec cupcake and candle. I don&#8217;t feature bow downing to suck-ups&#8230;</p>
<p>But when you ratchet up fears of Obama&#8217;s &#8220;fascistic&#8221; tendencies here, you&#8217;re amping up many Clubbers who are already locked on paranoid styles of politics. It&#8217;s, to use your phrase, anti-democratic. </p>
<p>Wretchs fascism line reminds me of a Leslie Fiedler story &#8211; Fiedler was a cultural critic who was way ahead of his time&#8230;Said/wrote many outrageously sharp things that pissed off P.C. types AND cultural conservatives..Anyway he was musing one time about how badly Germans responded to one of his lectures/panel performances. Fiedler &#8220;performed&#8221; when he was on stage &#8211; Never confused being entertaining/interesting with dumbing dowm. After the gig &#8211; one Hun explained to him &#8211; &#8220;Germans don&#8217;t like charisma.&#8221; They got an excuse&#8230;But Americans aren&#8217;t Germans. No reason to piss on a pol BECAUSE he has a gift (from God as my wife would say).</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/08/21/ayers-rocks/comment-page-2/#comment-8682</link>
		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the links to Ayers...first time I&#039;ve seen the wanker talk.  For what it&#039;s worth, didn&#039;t Eric Hoffer say that many revolutionary leaders were former teachers?  I wonder why; something to do with information control and manipulation, and controlling people&#039;s thinking?...Let&#039;s set the curriculum!

Make no mistake, fascism is a socialist phenomenon, and in their time, Mussolini and other fascists were looked up to and admired (by many people in many countries) for what they did for their societies and what they could accomplish.  Obama lacks the nationalistic streak that seems to be a big part of what fascism is (something thats really kind of hard to define accurately), yet a fascist society is where he is headed.

I find it disturbing that when Obama really means something, he claims he believes it right down to his DNA (how scientific! what identity politics drech)...where&#039;s his heart and soul? (It bespeaks a lack of imagination and intestinal/intellectual fortitude) I think, in spite of the disavowals (which ones?) and denials, his heart and soul are easily identifiable, to be found in relative plain sight (Ayers et al).  For example, among other things, the rapper Ludicris, and his recent song in praise of the messiah; that was &quot;the dark side&quot; of fascism. 
 
I personally don&#039;t feel like being &quot;mobilized&quot; to serve his vision of what the world should be.  And yes, Obama is a change agent all right...he&#039;s going to take this 10-dollar bill in my hand and change it into a 1! ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links to Ayers&#8230;first time I&#8217;ve seen the wanker talk.  For what it&#8217;s worth, didn&#8217;t Eric Hoffer say that many revolutionary leaders were former teachers?  I wonder why; something to do with information control and manipulation, and controlling people&#8217;s thinking?&#8230;Let&#8217;s set the curriculum!</p>
<p>Make no mistake, fascism is a socialist phenomenon, and in their time, Mussolini and other fascists were looked up to and admired (by many people in many countries) for what they did for their societies and what they could accomplish.  Obama lacks the nationalistic streak that seems to be a big part of what fascism is (something thats really kind of hard to define accurately), yet a fascist society is where he is headed.</p>
<p>I find it disturbing that when Obama really means something, he claims he believes it right down to his DNA (how scientific! what identity politics drech)&#8230;where&#8217;s his heart and soul? (It bespeaks a lack of imagination and intestinal/intellectual fortitude) I think, in spite of the disavowals (which ones?) and denials, his heart and soul are easily identifiable, to be found in relative plain sight (Ayers et al).  For example, among other things, the rapper Ludicris, and his recent song in praise of the messiah; that was &#8220;the dark side&#8221; of fascism. </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t feel like being &#8220;mobilized&#8221; to serve his vision of what the world should be.  And yes, Obama is a change agent all right&#8230;he&#8217;s going to take this 10-dollar bill in my hand and change it into a 1! &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Masculinists could protest angrily that women have a monopoly on femininity. &quot;well it&#039;s TRUE isn&#039;t it?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Masculinists could protest angrily that women have a monopoly on femininity. &#8220;well it&#8217;s TRUE isn&#8217;t it?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the nature of reality, the reality of nature, is offensive to Superperson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the nature of reality, the reality of nature, is offensive to Superperson.</p>
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