Gerard van der Leun’s article on photographer Jill Greenberg’s decision to use of her Atlantic assigment to take pictures of John McCain so that she could digitally alter and post them on her website focuses on her unprofessional behavior. Professional behavior, is of course, another word for customary behavior in a particular profession. Gerard explains that what Greenberg did was not the done thing. But custom is changing. The question is why. Gerard writes:
“I imagine that Ms. Greenberg was in full charm mode with Senator McCain at the same time she was executing her little partisan plot. Indeed, I am certain she was nothing other than sweetness and light to him. What she was doing was quite another thing, a vile thing. Simply put, it was betrayal for a cheap political frisson for her.
Then Greenberg extended the betrayal to her Client, The Atlantic. She either did not deliver all the images of the shoot to the client or she began to manipulate them for her own uses as seen above. In this digital age, she probably ftp’d the images to The Atlantic, kept the originals on her own system, and then made the cheap and disgusting photoshops seen above.
I’m not sure how the art director of The Atlantic, Jason Treat, feels about this, even though I have written him requesting a reply. Still, during the years that I hired and worked with illustrative photographers, product photographers, news photographers, and fashion photographers in London and New York City, my art directors and myself always got all the film to review. Depending on the contract, the film would or would not go back to the photographer. When digital came it, it was always understood that the out-takes or images we commissioned and paid for would be kept confidential by the photographer — as specified in the rights agreement. At the very least, we would have exclusive use of them for a considerable period of time.”
Whatever restraint — or pretense to restraint — that has not already been abandoned in political discourse is going out the window. For reasons sociologists best understand, the peculiar mix of candidates and issues in the 2008 Presidential elections has proved particularly combustible. Polite argument is now very difficult at least in the public space. Whether the topic is Barack Obama or Sarah Palin, political discussion is now only possible at near apoplectic intensity. Sometimes extreme feelings and deep anxiety are the product of a subconscious realization that the old order is ending; that the time-honored rules no longer apply. In the financial arena at least, recent events on Wall Street have proved that the immovably solid can be ephemeral. Bear Stearns is gone. Lehmann Brothers is tottering. Merill Lynch? Check back next week.
The media industry is also undergoing a revolution. The New York Times ain’t what it used to be. Chris Matthews and Keith Olberman are the new, perishable faces of network broadcast journalism. They will not be missed; but the loss of the sense of permanance may have brought an air of desperation, and with it a kind of wild abandon. Jill Greenberg shoots covers for magazines. Who can say how many of them will be left in five years? This uncertainty suggests that despite the slogan of “change” what many really hanker for is certitude; for the time when when it was easier to be sure of your paycheck and moral superiority; for the easy condescending civility and the reluctance to waste anger on cultural yokels. Things are in flux and people are nervous. Gerard van der Leun calls the picture of the chimp a portrait of Greenberg’s soul. But maybe it’s really a snapshot of where her ambitions and aspirations are going.
Update:
“[Atlantic] Editor James Bennet said Greenberg behaved improperly and will not be paid for the session. He said the magazine is also considering a lawsuit.”
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1. F:Good post, Wretchard. One wishes the old formulation “you’ll never work again in this town” could be bestowed on Greenberg, but New York and the magazine trade in general are too liberal for that to work. So the photographer’s reputation takes a hit in the blogosphere, where integrity is not measured in the intensity of anti-McCain vitriol, but probably greeted with pleasure by New York literati. Keep plugging away, Wretchard (and other bloggers). Maybe the message will gradually get out.
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Sep 14, 2008 - 9:07 pm 2. Terry Baker:My dad used to say, “Trust the art, not the artist.”
In this case, we trust that the “art” revealed the soul of the artist perfectly.
Dad was always right.
Sep 14, 2008 - 9:18 pm 3. Dave:The late Robert Heinlein wrote about “reform politiicans”: those who could not/would not stay bought. Some inner compulsion, masquerading as a noble cause would always make them go back on their word.
To conduct interviews, take photographs etc
under false pretenses is another manifestation of the same thing.
The Old Man also wrote about those who thought that good manners, chivalry, etc were signs of weakness.
Last but not least, Robert A. wrote that whenever the above started defining and dominating a society, that society was doomed.
No, I do not think America is doomed. I do think that we are in mortal danger from the sanctimonious sociopaths however.
Our elections reflect the struggle to keep honorable men and women from simply giving up because they are continuously villified.
No higher tribute to George W. Bush can be paid than to say that he managed to stick to the High Road, no matter what. John McCain is made of the same stuff.
Sarah Palin turns the High Road into High Noon. And with a large posse at her back.
I think we can pull through yet.
Sep 14, 2008 - 9:27 pm 4. Nine-of-Diamonds:This is more suited to the thread about O’s Columbia days, but I wanted to repost it. Turns out the Messiah’s employment as a “financial consultant” was not quite what he made it out to be. Of course it won’t get any media traction, but what the hey:
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career
I know it’s tempting to attribute psychological problems to your political opponents, but in all seriousness O really does seem to have “ISSUES”, as my classmates are fond of saying. Why the towering ego (beyond what’s normal in politics), and the need to tell easily-disproven untruths?
BTW – Keep your eyes peeled for the comment from another coworker, who describes O’s reaction when she tried to explain simple economic concepts to him.
Sep 14, 2008 - 9:50 pm 5. NahnCee:You know, if you look at the whole Atlantic cover, the photo’s she took really are a part of an attempted hit piece. The headline over McCain’s picture is “why war is his answer”. There’s another not-so-subliminal red headline in the upper corner feature the words “porn” and “adultery”. And according to Greenberg herself, the picture the Atlantic honcho’s did choose to run have McCain looking red-eyed and with “bad skin”. I’m not sure what “bad skin” is but his picture is certainly red-eyed which is usually also thought of being haggard.
I haven’t read the article yet, but I’ll be surprised if it’s not essentially a hit piece also.
I wonder if the editors of Atlantic aren’t so much annoyed that Greenberg kept back some pictures she took on their dime and with their say-so as that she then went out and bragged about it, and blew their cover as being “professional”.
Sep 14, 2008 - 10:08 pm 6. j-damn:It’ll be a shame when NYC is nuked by Al-Queda and all these twits are vaporized. Gosh, where will get our Piss Christs and Monkey Shits on Presidents head art then?
Sep 14, 2008 - 10:36 pm 7. Benj:Sorry to hear re another urbane creep with an Eye…- Dozens more where she came from. (And Olberman is always worth pilloring too.)But if you’re looking for evidence of willfully “transgressive” responses you don’t have to go to Big City. Try your last thread. Did you can catch “Ken” Doll holding forth on the need for a “Sherman solution” to the “left” who gotta go cos they never have “any cool ideas,” though they view themselves as “sexually gifted like the British Cavaliers:”
“Honestly, I believe that, like it or not, we’re going to be forced into a Shermanesque solution to our Leftist problem.”
Exterminate the brutes! It’s (been) monkey-time at the Club too!!…
Inspired by Nahncee’s subliminal angles – I’ll re-up on what was missing in Fact Check’s account of last week’s Mac Ad on Obama-the-sex-educator –
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html
There’s a long debunking there of the Mac campaign’s claims but no mention of the real point of the ad with it’s pic of a “confused” Obama i.e. Black Man + Sex!! = Be Very Afraid. – Wretch notes things be changing. In America – the biggest change imaginable is the ideas that a black person (who hasn’t officially bailed on his peeps) has a shot at being Pres… Reviving liberalism is pretty big too actually. Though not to those (like Ken) who think “affordable healthcare” is something less than a “cool” idea…
Sep 14, 2008 - 10:42 pm 8. trangbang68:The Marquis of Queensbury rules don’t apply with these jokers. They are relativists who believe any means is legit to reach the desired end of electing Obama..For too long the right has gone along to get along and every time, Lucy pulls the football away at the last minute.
Sep 14, 2008 - 10:46 pm 9. rrpjr:I hope Sarah Barracuda continues to show some spunk and fight back.
Too bad about the “Atlantic” It was a very interesting magazine a few years ago. Michael Kelly wasn’t the only one who drowned in that canal in Iraq. Apparently the magazine’s integrity went under also.
Or the cause could be the rise of the Left in the past eight years under George Bush’s tragic rhetorical disarmament program and a general loss of pride and confidence within the conservative movement.
Sep 14, 2008 - 11:15 pm 10. The Count:Things are in flux and people are nervous.
This Sept. 11th I was reflecting on this phenomenon: The Ghastly Curtain and the Great Anxiety: 9/11 and it’s Aftermath
A nebulous war against terror is to open-ended. Better to blame Bush, the neo-cons an conservative Christians for your problems. You can be very certain about that conviction and it will cost you nothing.
Sep 14, 2008 - 11:21 pm 11. AW:How many more professionals self-immolate before this is over?
Sep 14, 2008 - 11:25 pm 12. wretchard:There’s a scene in the 1952 movie Scaramouche where the villain, Noel, Marquis de Maynes is losing his swordfight and throws the props down in front of his advancing doom. I think the multi-culti people are now doing the same:
How does the saying go? If I can’t have it, then nobody can?
Sep 15, 2008 - 1:13 am 13. ridgerunner:A quote from an Obama rally: “I just do not trust the American people,” said Eleanor Shavell, 58, a computer programmer, who, along with several others, joked she would move to Canada if Mr Obama loses.
This kind of disdain for democracy, the media’s totalitarian behavior, a pro-Obama columnist predicting a civil war if he fails to win. Maybe folks like Ken are simply doing a rational calculation of their odds of survival. The left is sowing the wind. Is it ready for the whirlwind?
Sep 15, 2008 - 2:39 am 14. Dante:Richard, you seem to be becoming just a little too formulaic in your posts. In each and every instance, you take a single-instance event and in the final summation, attempt to show in overly-flowery prose how it is symptomatic of a greater decline, conspiracy, etc.
It’s getting to be tiring to read. Sometimes, a biased hack is just that – a biased hack. They were around in Teddy Roosevelt’s day and they’ll be around centuries from now. Their methods and means will change, but not the partisan loathing.
Sep 15, 2008 - 2:58 am 15. johnclubvec:“[T]he time-honored rules no longer apply”? Jay Cost, writing at Real Clear Politics, notes “complaints about how this diminishes the debate and the American people deserve better and blah blah blah.” Then he says:
“Please. Let’s put this nasty, mean-spirited, dishonest, cruel, wicked, grim election of 2008 in context.”
Sep 15, 2008 - 3:03 am 16. wretchard:Richard, you seem to be becoming just a little too formulaic in your posts. In each and every instance, you take a single-instance event and in the final summation, attempt to show in overly-flowery prose how it is symptomatic of a greater decline, conspiracy, etc.
Back in the days of Morse, operators could be recognized by their “fist”. A few posts ago I did a text cloud analysis of the speeches of McCain and Palin. Others did those of Obama. Not surprisingly, the clouds were different. Sooner or later everyone develops a “style” that is a reflection of the author’s thought patterns. Signals intelligence exploits the fact that a leopard can’t change his spots. Of course, not everyone likes a particular style and the normal remedy is to go elsewhere. One of the nice things about the Internet is that you don’t have to visit a site, unlike network TV where you had to watch one of a few channels. There are millions of others.
Sep 15, 2008 - 3:56 am 17. Storm-Rider:What concerns me is the supportive relationship between our so-called mainstream media (no longer mainstream in truth) and the Democratic Party, with a parallel in the Soviet Union where Pravda and Isvestia provided propaganda support for the Communist Party. The American mass-media; specifically CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN – and now The Atlantic, have become extensions of the Democratic Party just as Soviet mass-media was an extension of the Communist Party; and they have become equally skillful masters of propaganda.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:14 am 18. programmer:Dante says:
Richard, you seem to be becoming just a little too formulaic in your posts. In each and every instance, you take a single-instance event and in the final summation, attempt to show in overly-flowery prose how it is symptomatic of a greater decline, conspiracy, etc.
Programmer responds to Dante:
How about bluntness then. You, sir, are a twit.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:41 am 19. Xixi:How many people read The Atlantic? I don’t read it anymore. I’d guess that a lot of its readership is in the Obama camp and this is just preaching to the choir. If Jill Greenberg causes some readers to bolt, then that’s what they’ve paid for. Sophomoric stunts like this would have been career killers at one time.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:50 am 20. Buck Smith:Polite argument is now very difficult at least in the public space.
My approach is to refuse to discuss the candidates, indicate I have big problems with both of them (as usual) and offer to discuss a set of issues which are interesting to me (Energy, Iraq).
The link to the real clear poltiics article is great for perspective as well. As is poltical history in the lead up to the civil war.
Sep 15, 2008 - 5:40 am 21. Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Things Heard: e34v1:[...] Media and Ms Greenburg … what about fallout I wonder? More thoughts on the [...]
Sep 15, 2008 - 5:44 am 22. Boyd:“Islamic law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.”
What is the difference between this and how Judge Judy operates?
Sep 15, 2008 - 6:22 am 23. Dr. Scott:I’m still reading The Atlantic. It’s cheap, many articles are interesting, and somehow the left-wing bias doesn’t offend too much. But it sure has gone downhill since Mike Kelly bought it.
Sep 15, 2008 - 6:25 am 24. Ken:He Who Has Two Names is saying that I support a Shermanesque solution to the Left. He’s right, but let me clarify that I’m talking about the extreme fringe here. The people we’re talking about are truly evil at a Pol Pot level. Keep in mind that they support Kim Jong Il, who has starved his own people. They don’t work, and they consistently target old women for their attacks. They are filth, and it’s time to give our nation a bath.
Oh, and HWHTN, I know that you think you’re sexually gifted, but you need to understand the difference between “gifted” and “obsessed.” Your obsession with sex isn’t because you’re good at it. It’s because you’re shitty at everything else.
Sep 15, 2008 - 6:49 am 25. Mark:I still read the Atlantic, for the same reasons Dr. Scott mentions.
The cover story on McCain was an obvious detour (I hope it’s only a detour) into agenda journalism. The cover shot of McCain is an attempt to present the senator as an embalmed corpse or a Madame Tussaud wax figure.
NahnCee is provides a good summary of the cover:
“You know, if you look at the whole Atlantic cover, the photo’s she took really are a part of an attempted hit piece. The headline over McCain’s picture is “why war is his answer”. There’s another not-so-subliminal red headline in the upper corner feature the words “porn” and “adultery”. And according to Greenberg herself, the picture the Atlantic honcho’s did choose to run have McCain looking red-eyed and with “bad skin”.
Regarding Dante’s criticism re. Wrichard’s blog, I thank W. for trusting his readers and drawing them into discussion. The Belmont Club is a forum. Ms. Rossett, to mention a different kind of journalist, writes brilliant columns that are presenting a finished product, and the columns are not intended to elicit much comment.
And as always, if one is tired of visiting a blog as Dante seems to be, one can always choose to read something else.
Sep 15, 2008 - 7:03 am 26. steveaz:Who here has seen the movie, “Napoleon Dynamite?”
Well, Greenberg’s stunt reminds me of Pedro’s pinata stunt: he and Napoleon craft a blond pinata-effigy of his opponent, Summer, and then they take turns swinging at it with a bat.
Frankly, I thought it was funny in the movie, but, Greenberg’s stunt, not so much. If I were a Saudi Sheik or a Gaz Prom billionaire bent on polluting America’s electoral discourse, getting a rag like the Atlantic to throw poo at McCain would be a top-ten goal of mine.
Hmmm…monkeys throwing poo? Could it be Greenburg just mimicked the Democratic party on the cover of the Atlantic? Has she committed an accidental projection, perhaps?
Sep 15, 2008 - 7:20 am 27. Ken:If any doubt the absolute EVIL of the far left, read Michelle Malkin today. The photographer who did the unflattering photo of John McCain? Turns out she makes her living ABUSING CHILDREN AND PHOTOGRAPHING THEIR FACES.
And please, no whining about the unfairness of the liberal media. I hate the media too, but this doesn’t call for “fair and balanced reporting.” This calls for STREET JUSTICE.
Sep 15, 2008 - 7:48 am 28. trangbang68:Ken While I sympathize with your disdain for the media, you need to dial the rhetoric back a little,imho. You are giving ammunition to people on the left that the right is as unhinged as the Kossacks, etal.
Sep 15, 2008 - 8:48 am 29. Mongoose:The child abuse stuff by Greenberg is reminiscent of some nut job in Tucson who threatened to sexually molest Jeff Goldstein’s
child. She was discovered to be a professor at the University of Arizona and was forced to resign. These are scary people.
wretchard: Do not listen to Dante – keep to the poetic style; I for one find it thought provoking.
Ironic, is it not, that a “Dante” would object to it?
But I do suggest that you draw the line at terza rima.
Sep 15, 2008 - 8:51 am 30. Ken:That would be a bit much
They don’t scare me. On the contrary, I’m ready and eager to stomp them.
Sep 15, 2008 - 9:09 am 31. Ken:Ok, let me dial that down. Let me reword that.
The main thing holding the GOP back from absolute victory is the perception that we are a bunch of Arthur Carlsons, a bunch of frightened accountants who cringe at the big mean Democrats. Democrats are perceived as big studly bad boys who bravely walk the mean streets.
In fact the truth is much different. Most veterans are Republicans. Increasingly, blue collar workers, at least the white ones, are Republicans. Most Democrats spend all day hiding behind their computer screens and their double frappuccino latte deluxes, gossiping about how sexy they are and dropping Hollywood names.
Yet every time you describe them as scary, someone like me, who served in the Marines, immediately becomes a cowardly accountant in the eyes of anyone who reads what you say.
We don’t need to be cool. We need to be tough and aggressive and, yes, scary.
Sep 15, 2008 - 9:15 am 32. Benj:“Yes, scary.”… – No wonder Wretch rushed to start another thread even if he had serve up passages he’d just written a few threads back – With friends like Ken…
Sep 15, 2008 - 9:49 am 33. Roderick Reilly:Perhaps only tangentially germaine to this discussion, but:
Why does the Left keep trying to piss off a majority of Americans, many of whom own a majority of the privately-held guns, and who also –at least in spirit — have the military on their side?
Sep 15, 2008 - 10:16 am 34. Ken:They are trying to spew insults, so that uninformed people will see gun owners as cowards who won’t stand up for themselves. That way, they can get people to think of gun owners as inferior, and at least look the other way while they have Waco-style massacres nationwide.
Sep 15, 2008 - 10:26 am 35. trangbang68:Ken I served as a combat infantryman myself. I don’t mean scary like cringing in my boots scared of the moonbats. When someone threatens the children of a political opponent they have left off political debate and entered psychopath territory. They should be monitored by the police as potential stalkers.
Sep 15, 2008 - 10:28 am 36. samizdat:They need “Street Justice” is over the top rhetoric.
The Atlantic is still being published?
Who knew?
Sep 15, 2008 - 11:29 am 37. Ex-fetus:“Though not to those (like Ken) who think “affordable healthcare” is something less than a “cool” idea…”
It’s a fantasy, not an idea, cool or otherwise.
If you are so ‘cool’ on Socialized health care, move to Canada.
Socialism doesn’t work. It cost about 200 MILLION dead to prove that in the 2oth century. What is it that you cannot understand about that? In Socialism, the state pretends to pay the workers and the workers pretend to work. Apply that to medicine and you have the state pretending to pay Doctors and the Doctors pretending to work. Unfortunately, that leaves the patients in the position of trying to pretend to get well. Nothing new in that idea, no change here, move along please.
“The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease.”
Sep 15, 2008 - 11:39 am 38. Zim:Voltaire
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 – 1778)
The key to getting through this current political climate is the second amendment. Certain forces on the left know that violent overthrow of the government is not a possibility because its people are well armed. Right now we have to put up with alot of this verbal bile and threats to leave the country, but eventually the left will have to come back to the table and act somewhat like adults. However, if the second amendment ever fails, and we are disarmed, well now, Che is one of their heros is he not?
Sep 15, 2008 - 12:07 pm 39. Robohobo:“But custom is changing. The question is why.”
Not really. Correct moral behavior is NOT dead or dying. If we say it is dead in this society, then it is along with the viable parts of the society. Part of the social contract is that we have accepted norms of behavior. If we allow those norms to deteriorate then we also allow the society to do the same.
Your call. (That is the ‘royal’ you, btw.)
Are we ready to call the end game on moral behavior? To descend into the chaos guaranteed to follow?
Not me.
Sep 15, 2008 - 1:12 pm 40. Aether:Gerard Van der Luen has undertaken the correct reaction to the perfidy of Jill Greenberg and her ilk.
Van der Luen has chosen to stand up to the socialist media and to shine the Bright Light of Truth on their Slander, Lies and Innuendo. He is very effective, given his long tenure within the Progressive media, and his comcommitant familiarity with their slippery tricks.
The Socialists are cowards at heart and are therefore no longer seeking to violently overthrow the US Constition. They are instead seeking to subvert American culture by corrupting our constitution, our government, our media and our public institutions, via Gramiscian methods, and unfortunately, have travelled quite a long way down that path.
With that in mind, the silence of Freemen can no longer be countenenced, however a violent reaction would be ammoral and untenable.
There are many other ways that Freemen can react against the trojan horses of crypto-communism. Individials can contribute in many ways, large and small, and information warfare is the key, as evidenced by blogs such as American Digest and The Belmont Club.
Start by confronting the progressive media’s Orwellian lies, by denouncing their Political Ccorrectness, by challenging the leftist orthodoxies wherever you may find them.
My experiences with bullies and ruffians is that they’re usuaally cowards, and 9 times out of 10, will back down when confronted…
With that in mind, Confront the Socialists wherever you can… Confront them without fear, without hate and without prejudice, and take back our Constitutional rights.
Sep 15, 2008 - 1:30 pm 41. lc:I’m not sure the intensity of current political discussion is due to a subconscious realization the old order is collapsing – but then, perhaps it does reflect an attempt to hold onto weakening values without knowing what comes next. I’m reminded of the final scene in “Blazing Saddles” where the barroom brawl breaks through a thin wall (in fact a cheesy, flimsy built only for show wall) into a musical show set – revealing everything to be just one production (heavy on effect) among many – like a play within a movie within a movie…
But then again, they cried rivers when Joe Stalin died.
Sep 15, 2008 - 3:14 pm 42. RWE:It is said that history is written by the winners.
And so it is with Modern Art. If Obama wins Greenberg can be assured of some choice assignments, if not by the Atlantic then by some other rags. Or perhaps an appointment as the Deputy Assistant Undersecretary for Alternative Culturalism on Alternate Wendesdays In Months That Do Not Have An R In Them in Obama’s new Department of Peace.
If McCain wins she won’t be found in a dumpster in Georgetown with 3 rounds in the back of her head.
It’s a win-win situation from her perspective.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:16 pm 43. Ron Hardin:As long as the media business model is soap opera characters, no public debate can happen that doesn’t go through soap opera.
Politicians just piggyback on that business model.
The place to intervene, if intervention is to be done, is the audience for that media output. Say through ridicule.
It’s only 20% of the population that’s involved in tuning in.
That’s not to say that there’s some other business model for the media that will work. Probably there isn’t.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:19 pm 44. Nine-of-Diamonds:““Yes, scary.”… – No wonder Wretch rushed to start another thread even if he had serve up passages he’d just written a few threads back – With friends like Ken…”
Yeah, these threads are so awful you couldn’t resist posting another one of your novels on here. And when you come to peddle your Kool-Aid, maybe you could at least be a little clearer. “[H]e had serve up?” Must be that Magic Negro eloquence rubbing off on you.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:20 pm 45. NahnCee:RWE – I think Ms. Greenberg has just aced herself a position with the new cultural brownshirt brigade that Obama wants to set up to counterbalance the military.
Sep 15, 2008 - 4:26 pm 46. Ken:Just to clarify: a “Sherman solution” doesn’t consist of extermination. It consists of killing off the worst of the worst, the irreconcilables. It’s essentially the Surge brought to the USA. It isn’t like your Democrat uncle with the German shepherd would die. It would generally be a bunch of violent, twisted, drug addicted, continually unemployed losers who got told at the punk rock concert that the Republicans wanted to take their Hustler magazines, and who responded by pushing an old lady off some stairs (since, you know, all old people are Republicans). We’re not talking normal, average people here.
And presumably, this would happen in the context of a failed uprising by the same people. So it would not be some Auschwitz type mass murder, but rather simply the enforcement of martial law.
Sep 15, 2008 - 6:06 pm 47. Benj:“Just to clarify: a “Sherman solution” doesn’t consist of extermination. It consists of killing off the worst of the worst, the irreconcilables. It’s essentially the Surge brought to the USA. It isn’t like your Democrat uncle with the German shepherd would die. It would generally be a bunch of violent, twisted, drug addicted, continually unemployed losers who got told at the punk rock concert that the Republicans wanted to take their Hustler magazines, and who responded by pushing an old lady off some stairs (since, you know, all old people are Republicans). We’re not talking normal, average people here…”
You said a mouthful brother. Any other Clubbers down for Ken’s program? After all, it’s light stuff, not “some Auschwitz type mass murder, but rather simply the enforcement of martial law.” Wretch – I repeat – You don’t have to go the City to find The Heart of Darkness. It’s much closer to home. Right up in your threads – pumping inside one of your fans…
Your call.
Sep 16, 2008 - 8:48 am 48. NahnCee:According to PDN photo magazine, Jill Greenberg has been dropped by both her New York and West Hollywood agencies/representatives. I guess even progressive liberals in NY and LA can be embarrassed by blatent unprofessional hatred.
Sep 16, 2008 - 6:18 pm 49. Bob Murphy:Actually, Benj, if Ken’s spring was wound too tight and it snapped, it would be be a better man than you that dealt with him and it wouldn’t take long.
Sep 17, 2008 - 3:30 am 50. Megaera:Sounds like it pulls your string little man. But then when push came to shove my guess is that you’d probably be quite ineffective.
Makes it a scary world, doesn’t it.:)
As for the kind of people Ken is talking about, enforcing the law would take care of them. And it would take care of Ken if he actually made a move.
Most of the kind of people Ken would like to act against, to use an Australian idiom, “couldn’t organise a chook (chicken) raffle”.
In other words no big deal.
Don’t panic, Benj.
It’s all in your mind. Chatter mind.:)
Boyd: the difference? well, participants in Judge Judy’s court can’t rely on the State to enforce her rulings. As a lawyer, I read statements that a religious court has been adopted as part of the country’s legal structure to mean just that: a sharia court’s ruling that a woman is legally divorced by virtue of her husband stating “I divorce you” three times controls over any other pronouncement of British law … and how many Muslim wives, looking death in the face, are going to hold out for a divorce in British law courts with the protections of alimony, child custody laws, and so on? Sharia courts now stand equal with British law courts and their judgments are enforceable by British courts, no matter their substance or nature.
Sep 17, 2008 - 12:38 pm 51. gbnyc:What is most striking is just how downright sophomoric it is… wanting to perhaps engage in the same, I’m disappointed that I can’t locate a photo anywhere of the artist.
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