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		<title>By: Steynian 256 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 256 &#171; Free Mark Steyn!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who won the U.S. Presidential Candidates Debate? Who cares?, sez this elf. &#8220;Who has the fascist Truth Squads?&#8221; is the real question. ~ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who won the U.S. Presidential Candidates Debate? Who cares?, sez this elf. &#8220;Who has the fascist Truth Squads?&#8221; is the real question. ~ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Foul Harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foul Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: K.L Deas-Ray

http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Something-New/Sanaa-Lathan/e/25192886522

Check out the Customer Reviews section. &quot;Diary of a Mad Black Woman&quot; indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: K.L Deas-Ray</p>
<p><a href="http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Something-New/Sanaa-Lathan/e/25192886522" rel="nofollow">http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Something-New/Sanaa-Lathan/e/25192886522</a></p>
<p>Check out the Customer Reviews section. &#8220;Diary of a Mad Black Woman&#8221; indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: whitehall</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/26/who-won-the-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-13937</link>
		<dc:creator>whitehall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dad is a retired UAW man, WWII vet, Democrat.  Pretty much the &quot;Reagan Democrat&quot; type. Certainly no love for Bush.

His line on Obama has always been &quot;That boy doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s getting into.&quot;

McCain pounded home that point to Reagan Democrats time and time again.

I will agree that Obama looked and sounded presidential - he just had the wrong ideas.

The killer punch from McCain when he made it perfectly clear how a meeting without preconditions would go:

&quot;I&#039;ll wipe Israel off the map!&quot;

&quot;No you won&#039;t!&quot;

He had plenty of other openings to do the same.  The closest was the comparison of US and Irish corporate tax rates.

Neither one explained just what NATO membership for Georgia, Poland, etc entails - American troops on the front lines against Russians, just like the Fulda Gap.  When the shooting starts (again) our boys will be there, pulling triggers and bleeding.

Do you think Poland is counting on German troops taking a bullet for Polish freedom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad is a retired UAW man, WWII vet, Democrat.  Pretty much the &#8220;Reagan Democrat&#8221; type. Certainly no love for Bush.</p>
<p>His line on Obama has always been &#8220;That boy doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s getting into.&#8221;</p>
<p>McCain pounded home that point to Reagan Democrats time and time again.</p>
<p>I will agree that Obama looked and sounded presidential &#8211; he just had the wrong ideas.</p>
<p>The killer punch from McCain when he made it perfectly clear how a meeting without preconditions would go:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll wipe Israel off the map!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No you won&#8217;t!&#8221;</p>
<p>He had plenty of other openings to do the same.  The closest was the comparison of US and Irish corporate tax rates.</p>
<p>Neither one explained just what NATO membership for Georgia, Poland, etc entails &#8211; American troops on the front lines against Russians, just like the Fulda Gap.  When the shooting starts (again) our boys will be there, pulling triggers and bleeding.</p>
<p>Do you think Poland is counting on German troops taking a bullet for Polish freedom?</p>
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		<title>By: K.L. Deas-Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.L. Deas-Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look! to the idiot who says he don&#039;t see Asians or Arabs talking about racism..KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!! READ SOME BOOKS!!!! ASIANS AND ARABS WERE NOT BROUGHT TO A COUNTRY AGAINST THEIR WILL AND FORCE TO DO FREE LABOR TO BUILD A COUNTRY INTO THE RICHEST NATION IN THE WORLD JUST TO BE TREATED AS 2ND CLASS CITIZENS.. THEIR WOMEN RAPED, FAMILIES SPLIT UP BREEDED LIKE ANIMALS...THE INDIANS DIDN&#039;T STAND A CHANCE WITH IGNORANT WHITE MEN AND THEIR BIG GUNS AND LITTLE BRAINS...HOW IN THE HELL CAN MCCAIN BE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY WHEN HE OWNS 7 HOUSES AND YOUR PROBABLY DON&#039;T OWN ONE..GO OBAMA...AND DOWN WITH ALL THE IGNORANT WHITE CARNIVAL TRASH..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look! to the idiot who says he don&#8217;t see Asians or Arabs talking about racism..KNOW YOUR HISTORY!!! READ SOME BOOKS!!!! ASIANS AND ARABS WERE NOT BROUGHT TO A COUNTRY AGAINST THEIR WILL AND FORCE TO DO FREE LABOR TO BUILD A COUNTRY INTO THE RICHEST NATION IN THE WORLD JUST TO BE TREATED AS 2ND CLASS CITIZENS.. THEIR WOMEN RAPED, FAMILIES SPLIT UP BREEDED LIKE ANIMALS&#8230;THE INDIANS DIDN&#8217;T STAND A CHANCE WITH IGNORANT WHITE MEN AND THEIR BIG GUNS AND LITTLE BRAINS&#8230;HOW IN THE HELL CAN MCCAIN BE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY WHEN HE OWNS 7 HOUSES AND YOUR PROBABLY DON&#8217;T OWN ONE..GO OBAMA&#8230;AND DOWN WITH ALL THE IGNORANT WHITE CARNIVAL TRASH..</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sylwester</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/26/who-won-the-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-13935</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Sylwester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:
&quot;I was hoping for a strong thematic attack on Obama illuminating his preference for actions that weaken America and embolden our enemies. McCain didn’t do that. There was no philosophical discussion of difference in approaches from leftists and conservatives. &quot;
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Well stated. I agree.

In general, McCain has been talking about himself way too much and about the big issues way too little. Last night we heard that he has known this or that person for this or that many years and that he has voted for or against this or that legislative proposal. We heard that he wears a wrist bracelet from a soldier who died in Iraq. Those kinds of statements have their place, but enough is enough. 

In the meantime, he failed to point out major differences between the Republicans and Democrats on the Defense budget, on willingness to use military force, on intelligence gathering, and on generally being tough instead of soft. 

He failed to say that he supported the Iraq War from the beginning and that he would support it again and that the world is and will be a better place because we have been fighting and winning the Iraq War. From what he said, it seemed he supported only the Surge and conceded that Obama was right to oppose the Iraq War from the beginning. 

Most basically, McCain failed to communicate that the USA still faces major threats from abroad and that the USA still must act militarily abroad to protect our freedom and international peace. So, we still need a strong, powerful military and we still must lead the World militarily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:<br />
&#8220;I was hoping for a strong thematic attack on Obama illuminating his preference for actions that weaken America and embolden our enemies. McCain didn’t do that. There was no philosophical discussion of difference in approaches from leftists and conservatives. &#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Well stated. I agree.</p>
<p>In general, McCain has been talking about himself way too much and about the big issues way too little. Last night we heard that he has known this or that person for this or that many years and that he has voted for or against this or that legislative proposal. We heard that he wears a wrist bracelet from a soldier who died in Iraq. Those kinds of statements have their place, but enough is enough. </p>
<p>In the meantime, he failed to point out major differences between the Republicans and Democrats on the Defense budget, on willingness to use military force, on intelligence gathering, and on generally being tough instead of soft. </p>
<p>He failed to say that he supported the Iraq War from the beginning and that he would support it again and that the world is and will be a better place because we have been fighting and winning the Iraq War. From what he said, it seemed he supported only the Surge and conceded that Obama was right to oppose the Iraq War from the beginning. </p>
<p>Most basically, McCain failed to communicate that the USA still faces major threats from abroad and that the USA still must act militarily abroad to protect our freedom and international peace. So, we still need a strong, powerful military and we still must lead the World militarily.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory, and I&#039;m sticking with it, is that the script trolls whether for Obama or Putin are really the same people. In fact I suspect they are the employees of phone/web-chat sex boiler rooms who are rented out for the occasion. They may be domestic or in India depending on the market. Notoriously they are portrayed in literature and TV as little old ladies supplementing their social security by following scripts that protray them as 23 year old bombshells. Posting for Obama is a holiday for them by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory, and I&#8217;m sticking with it, is that the script trolls whether for Obama or Putin are really the same people. In fact I suspect they are the employees of phone/web-chat sex boiler rooms who are rented out for the occasion. They may be domestic or in India depending on the market. Notoriously they are portrayed in literature and TV as little old ladies supplementing their social security by following scripts that protray them as 23 year old bombshells. Posting for Obama is a holiday for them by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the debate Lehrer said that the banking meltdown precludes any real uptick in government spending  no matter who gets in. So he asked -- given the thin tax revenues and big debts -  what would be the one program  for which a candidate would add revenue. 

Obama said &quot;I&#039;d still like to expand early education&quot;. 

What does he actually mean by that, and why did single it out of all the items on his agenda? 

Interesting answer at freerepublic. it has to do with ayers
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091543/posts

fwiw I  lived across the street from Bank Street College during those years. coincidence? I think so. But in those years my opinions were fairly congruent to that liberal neighborhood. From time to time I keep in touch with some of the guys I knew from that time and place. They have also moved away from that neighborhood but their liberal frame has not changed.

To columbia&#039;s credit there is an increasingly active  conservative alumni association that checks in over at freerepublic--but they&#039;re a raindrop in the liberal tide there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the debate Lehrer said that the banking meltdown precludes any real uptick in government spending  no matter who gets in. So he asked &#8212; given the thin tax revenues and big debts &#8211;  what would be the one program  for which a candidate would add revenue. </p>
<p>Obama said &#8220;I&#8217;d still like to expand early education&#8221;. </p>
<p>What does he actually mean by that, and why did single it out of all the items on his agenda? </p>
<p>Interesting answer at freerepublic. it has to do with ayers<br />
<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091543/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091543/posts</a></p>
<p>fwiw I  lived across the street from Bank Street College during those years. coincidence? I think so. But in those years my opinions were fairly congruent to that liberal neighborhood. From time to time I keep in touch with some of the guys I knew from that time and place. They have also moved away from that neighborhood but their liberal frame has not changed.</p>
<p>To columbia&#8217;s credit there is an increasingly active  conservative alumni association that checks in over at freerepublic&#8211;but they&#8217;re a raindrop in the liberal tide there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sylwester</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/09/26/who-won-the-debate/comment-page-3/#comment-13932</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Sylwester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Konyok:
&quot;... the current policy is to quietly conduct operations against specific targets. Senator Obama is calling explicitly for cross-border operations. Is this refreshing honesty? Or, is it a signal that an Obama administration would ratchet up the conflict? How does this square with the antiwar sentiment that has brought the senator to where he is now? &quot;
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You seem to be making a big deal about Obama&#039;s stating PUBLICLY that he would attack targets inside Pakistan. Since everyone knows, however, that the Bush Administration has been bombing and raiding inside Pakistan, most people will not be shocked by Obama stating PUBLICLY that he would do the same actions.

I have been skeptical by Obama&#039;s statements that he intends to fight seriously to defend the Afghanistan government. I think he lacks the fortitude to do so, and furthermore I think he talks tough about fighting in Afghanistan in order to justify his willingness to surrender in Iraq. 

However, he sure did talk the talk about Afghanistan in the debates. Nobody can say that Obama sounded like he will avoid fighting for Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Konyok:<br />
&#8220;&#8230; the current policy is to quietly conduct operations against specific targets. Senator Obama is calling explicitly for cross-border operations. Is this refreshing honesty? Or, is it a signal that an Obama administration would ratchet up the conflict? How does this square with the antiwar sentiment that has brought the senator to where he is now? &#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>You seem to be making a big deal about Obama&#8217;s stating PUBLICLY that he would attack targets inside Pakistan. Since everyone knows, however, that the Bush Administration has been bombing and raiding inside Pakistan, most people will not be shocked by Obama stating PUBLICLY that he would do the same actions.</p>
<p>I have been skeptical by Obama&#8217;s statements that he intends to fight seriously to defend the Afghanistan government. I think he lacks the fortitude to do so, and furthermore I think he talks tough about fighting in Afghanistan in order to justify his willingness to surrender in Iraq. </p>
<p>However, he sure did talk the talk about Afghanistan in the debates. Nobody can say that Obama sounded like he will avoid fighting for Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was to close to call.  They both argued their points and got time clear up some of the spin they had been putting on each other.  I think if you were already leaning one way you are still leaning that way,&quot;I know I am&quot;.  If you were in the middle, hopefully something got cleared up for you so you can make an educated decision.  I think the people who are saying McCain won or Obama won are just rooting for there side there was no clear winner here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was to close to call.  They both argued their points and got time clear up some of the spin they had been putting on each other.  I think if you were already leaning one way you are still leaning that way,&#8221;I know I am&#8221;.  If you were in the middle, hopefully something got cleared up for you so you can make an educated decision.  I think the people who are saying McCain won or Obama won are just rooting for there side there was no clear winner here.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toni, you are complaining about racism, yet you make sexist comments on Palin. You&#039;re an idiot.I&#039;m not going to waste my time with arguing with liberals like you, when you don&#039;t know enough politically.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toni, you are complaining about racism, yet you make sexist comments on Palin. You&#8217;re an idiot.I&#8217;m not going to waste my time with arguing with liberals like you, when you don&#8217;t know enough politically.</p>
<p>MCCAIN/PALIN 08</p>
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