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1. sigintel:

The Saudis own us and Europe…their oil revenues are obscene and the Wahhabi madrassas are well funded. The hate for America and the Jews is now institutionalized and there will be a continuous flow of new martyrs from each new generation of Muslims for jihad. Looks like a very very “long war” ahead indeed.

Oct 1, 2008 - 3:24 pm 2. Patriot Front:

Wretchard,
HERE’S THAT VIDEO ADRESSING THE OBAMA YOUTH:
(I tried to post it at the end of the last thread, probably too late.)

YIKES! Obama Youth

Oct 1, 2008 - 3:38 pm 3. Eggplant:

The money and many of the foot soldiers behind Islamic fascism comes from Saudi Arabia. The brain power behind Islamic fascism comes from Egypt. Afghanistan was simply a place where the money and brain power got connected with the foot soldiers. The brilliance behind the Iraq War was we chose the venue for fighting the Islamic fascists. The bad guys had to come to our killing area where we were prepared for them. The main reason why the moonbats are beneath contempt is their implicit belief that we should be negotiating with Islamic fascists on the streets of New York while innocent Americans are being slaughtered.

Oct 1, 2008 - 4:42 pm 4. sirius_sir:

Wahabism may predate the Islamic Revolution, but the influence of Iran too is a problem, one that predates 9/11.

The fact is both Saudi Arabia and Iran represent opposing factions of a bifurcated ideology called Islam that fuels terrorism. Both sides of that ideology are represented in Iraq which is, not inconsequently, situated between them.

Someone with even a modicum of understanding should be able to convince themselves that Iraq is a necessary, even vital, cog in this war. Bush’s understanding doesn’t forgive his failure to make the case persuasively enough to convince others, but Obama’s failure even to understand the situation at all is disheartening and potentially ‘terrifying’.

Oct 1, 2008 - 4:49 pm 5. Eggplant:

sirius_sir said:

“… Obama’s failure even to understand the situation at all is disheartening and potentially ‘terrifying’.”

It’s not potentially “terrifying”, it flat out IS terrifying. We are so totally hosed if the Messiah wins. However unless Palin works her magic and McCain starts doing things right then hosed we will be.

Oct 1, 2008 - 4:54 pm 6. American Muslim:

Do you people not yet realise that the long struggle is nearly finished? Your disgusting, degenerate, depraved “Western Civilization” is crumbling fast. Islam is everywhere triumphant.

There is little time left. Cease warring against Allah (swt). Cease oppressing Muslims or suffer the consequences of your actions.

Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allah akbar!

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:17 pm 7. sirius_sir:

Thanks for the warning there, Mr. American.

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:25 pm 8. Mark:

Ah, how sweet will be the prospect of $40 oil.

And how sad the prospect of ‘Islamic sciences’ students off the dole in Saudi Arabia, and the Wahhabist gravy train running dry around the globe.

Drill baby, Drill!

Please?

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:30 pm 9. Tony:

Do we really believe the Dems like Obama really believe we can win the war against Islamofascism in Afghanistan? Hell no. Like everything else, it’s their rabid antagonism to Bush in particular, and muscular Western aggressive defense in general. They don’t believe in countries or religion, they believe Lennon’s “Imagine.” If we could all just be young children in a comfy suburban living room, singing the Obama song, we’d be in heaven.

To the lefties, like Obama, who declare Iraq a distraction, we must reply: Why did Al Qaeda declare Iraq the center of their war against the infidel? Petraeus and Odierno’s theory that “you don’t commute to your job” in Iraq deepened the troops’ engagement with the population (Bing West tells the story perfectly), which led to a separation of rabid Wahhabism from the target population. We killed the rabies in the infected body, and the cure is a signal to Arabs that Al Qaeda and Talabanism is an avoidable evil. It was crucial to win a major battle in this long war, and as we can see the virtually interminable guerilla wars in lawless wildernesses only enhances the enemy’s apparent resilience. We had to win a big one somewhere after 9/11. Where do we go from here? We know the enemy has learned the lesson and will never fight us toe to toe as long as the military equation remains the same as it is now. But fight us they will.

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:31 pm 10. Peter Grynch:

I blame Charles DeGaul who was elected to protect the French in Algiers and instead handed over the country to the terrorists. This is the first victory for muslim terror in modern times over a western superpower (okay, over France…).

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:37 pm 11. Luna:

Gee AM, you get me to thinking–since we’re gonna spend $700bil, why not look at other alternatives to where we spend it? For that kind of money, we could invade Saudi Arabia, get rid of the royal family, lock up the Wahabbis, dry up the madrassas–and it would all be self funding with the oil revenues. As long as everyone thinks we’re Imperialist pigs, we might as well not disappoint them. And stay away from my grandchildren.

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:39 pm 12. American Muslim:

The entire world demands that Barack Hussein Obama be the next President of the United States.

The only way to stop the coming total bankruptcy and collapse of the United States is to replace the current corrupt, usuary based economic and political system with Sharia. President Obama will do this.

Face reality – the triumph of Islam is inevitable.

Abandon your false religions. Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah.

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar!

Oct 1, 2008 - 5:59 pm 13. Eggplant:

Sorry American Muslim, you just pegged my BS meter. I suspect you’re a Kos Kiddie playing with himself. Allah akbar!

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:02 pm 14. Patriot Front:

Yeah I believed his first post. This one is obviously a farce. Please leave the grownups table!

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:06 pm 15. aaron:

i will not submit.

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:06 pm 16. sigintel:

AM Sieg Heil! Seig Heil!…you can take your fascistic BS and shove it where Allah don’t shine. Its capitalism and social welfare in a weird blend that kicks butt all over the world…millions around the world line up to get in “here”, while they line up to get out of “there”!! And when it comes to Obama “there is no there there”. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition”.

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:15 pm 17. NahnCee:

Mohammad was a pedophile. Now go out and burn down a McDonald’s like a good little barbarian.

(Wonder if it’s the same AZM as was standing up for Dr. BelaBala… Nah, undoubtedly one of Benj’s tribe.)

PPS – we’ve got all these perfectly good nuclear weapons stockpiled. with no one to drop them on — yet. maybe we should have one final election before we go bellyup and see who the American people would most like to see turned into a glass-paved parking lot.

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:20 pm 18. Leo Linbeck III:

I think it is difficult to know what Obama actually thinks about the situation in the Middle East. It appears that Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, et. al. are, to him, simply issues to use for his personal political ambition.

When he was a State Senator from a very liberal district, he was against the war. After he was elected a US Senator and the war appeared to be going well, his position was “the same as our visionary wartime President, George W. Bush” (I quote from memory). When conditions started to deteriorate and popular support for the war withered, he turned against the war again. When Bush’s approval ratings plummeted and he cranked up his primary campaign for President, he staked out a very aggressive withdrawal position that outflanked HRC on the left. When the surge was announced, we was an outspoken critic, and said it would do more harm than good. Then, when he had the nomination secured, he found his flag lapel pin (it was in the sofa – I hate when that happens) and began moving back toward the center, pushing back his timetable for withdrawal and emphasizing that it should be “responsible.” Finally, when confronted with the reality of dramatic progress in Iraq and the general election campaign against McCain, one of the surge’s biggest supporters, he continued to move further and further to the center, eventually acknowledging that the surge succeeded above all expectations, and that success meant that his revised timetable was far better than McCain’s 100-year plan.

All of this speaks to a mind that views military action as tactics in support of a political strategy – getting elected POTUS.

But what happens post-inauguration? That’s an interesting question. We can be certain that his decisions will be driven by his judgment of what will best serve his political interests. But what does that mean?

In all likelihood, it means that he will pick a middle road that keeps the issue off of the front page of the NYTimes. He will listen to the military – he may seek to rehabilitate those on the general staff who were skeptical of the surge. But Gen. Petraeus appears to be a very calm and savvy guy, and by all accounts he has exerted tremendous influence on the composition of the senior military leadership. With the financial crisis still burning, Obama will probably judge that following Gen. Petraeus’ recommendations are the least risky from a political standpoint.

He will also be exposed to all of the relevant intelligence, which will probably support the current Bush administration policies: gradual reduction of forces in Iraq, a new surge in Afghanistan, and the serious threat posed by jihadism.

These facts will conspire to force Obama to stay the course, and rely on his honeymoon period to keep his left-wing base at bay. He’ll take immediate action on issues that really matter to his base, like abortion and don’t-ask, don’t tell. DADT will allow him to demonstrate his willingness to take on the entrenched military establishment, and provide him political cover for maintaining the Bush-Petraeus strategy.

And finally, he will change the tone of US-Israeli relations, staking out a more pro-Palestinian public position. This move will be couched as a “change of Middle East strategy,” with a renewed focus on the “root causes” of Islam extremism. A new diplomatic initiative will ensue, which will go nowhere but will keep his base on ice. And he’ll do this while accelerating the sale of fighter jets and weapon systems to Israel.

So, in short, nothing much will change in reality, but the beginning of his term will mark the moment when the rise of the ocean of violence begins to slow and our planet’s wounds begin to heal.

At least until the next major terrorist attack against the US. Then all bets are off.

L3

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:31 pm 19. Habu:

Yeah, Allah your ass.

We do have a challenge that appears to be moving quite rapidly our way. The S-300 anti aircraft system is the bad boy

. http://tinyurl.com/4w6tvj

Those nice Soviet fellas are very close to selling this really top drawer anti air defense system to Venezuela, Syria, Iran and Cyprus. In recent test, (probably Soviet propaganda) they claimed to have tracked 100 individual targets, hitting them all.
If true this is a game changer and an accelerator for the Israeli’s to strike at Iran; if they are gong to do so.

It also poses a problem for the US.

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:36 pm 20. Canadian Muslim:

Your grandchildren will be Muslim, eh?

And there will be no more pork rinds, alcohol or seeing eye dogs. No more usury or infidel piggy banks. And your women will be demurely clad so as not to incite lust.

Follow the ways of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh eh)

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:37 pm 21. Canadian Muslim:

OK, one last look, eh?

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/images/_raquel-welch-012.jpg

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:38 pm 22. MarkJ:

American Muslim,

Read “Three Conjectures” and then be afraid for the survival of your religion. Be very afraid.

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2003/09/three-conjectures-pew-poll-finds-40-of.html

Eggplant,

“… Obama’s failure even to understand the situation at all is disheartening and potentially ‘terrifying’.”

No, we won’t be hosed if Obama wins. On the contrary, Obama will hose HIMSELF if he fails to understand the nature of the enemy he faces. If, or when, “The Messiah” enters the Oval Office for the first time, he will, if he’s smart, look at the ceiling above his desk. If he does, he’ll discover not one sword, but many swords, hanging directly over his chair. And he will ignore them at his own peril. If he does ignore them, then His Majesty will be lucky to get through his four year term without resigning or being forced out of office, much less running for a second term. “God may forgive, but the American people won’t.”

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:40 pm 23. Grey Fox:

AM,
More than likely your grandchildren will have adapted to our culture so thoroughly that they will be indistinguishable from us kaffir. It is our culture that is changing yours, not the other way around. Hey! Maybe one of your granddaughters will be the next Britney Spears! I leave you with that happy thought….

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:42 pm 24. Habu:

In Mr. Totten’s piece he claims that the 9-11 attacks were planned in A-stan. This would seem to draw heavily on the German’s investigation and the statement of German Dietrich Snell, that the Hamburg cell where Mohammad Atta hung out wasn’t the true place where the attack was planned.

It of course would be politically in the Germans best interest to make this finding given their Muslim population. I mean why rile up the remainder of the hostiles living in your backyard, literally.

I’m sticking with Hamburg..

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:45 pm 25. OldSalt:

re: American Muslim:

Well, such a determined diatribe requires a precise response.

* Islam is given the world nothing but terror, a two-caste system of the rich and the slaves, death and war.
* If Satan created a perfect religion, it’s god would be called “Allah”, and that god would require absolute submission. That god would allow “anything goes” for the faithful in lying to, denying rights to, ruling over and killing the so-called infidels and dimitude. That god would call on parents to sacrifice their children and prompt a cult of death in pursuit of a greater Islam.
* If god created a perfect religion, it would be a reflection of Himself. It would require adherents to have a relationship with God, i.e. to “love God”, and would require a commitment similar of God to man from it’s faithful (i.e. “love thy neighbor”). It would deal with the problem of God’s perfect justice and man condemnation due to sin through love, in the case of Christianity, through God’s sacrifice of His own Son Jesus for the salvation of undeserving, uncaring men (and women and children, of course).

Islam breeds hate, dominating men, submission among the worlds downtrodden, and death and destruction wherever it goes. Christianity promotes God’s justice, His love, a path to forgiveness (a.k.a. justification by faith in Jesus Christ, and commitment to God via HIS plan of salvation), and acts of love by followers of Jesus world wide.

The validity of a religious system is not accurately indicated by the sincerity or number of followers, but by the truth behind the religions claims. Islam is falsehood, hate, murder, and slavery. Christianity is truth, love, “turning the other cheek”, and freedom. Satan, the father of lies, commands “Submit”. The God of truth, justice, and love commands “love God, and love one another”.

There is no comparison. Islam will collapse upon it’s own falsehood and excesses, while Christians will continue as it has for over 2000 years, obeying God’s commands to love, to spread the Gospel, to open hospitals, open foodbacks, to give large and small, to minister to believers and non-believers alike, and even, at risk of death, to Muslims.

I’m not worried about my kids or grandkids. They will be free.

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:56 pm 26. OldSalt:

Gee.. I wish I had a better spell and grammar checker. I always find the errors AFTER I hit the button.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:01 pm 27. Habu:

American Muslim.

Knowing your Quran for the piece of trash it is and Mohammad as the bastard he was I say “bring it”. I’ve for years advocated wiping several hundred million Muslims off the face of the Earth and nothing your 6th century culture has done lately has changed my mind.

We have had trouble with YOU people since this nation was founded.It’s time we eradicated the problem. Chistianity and Islam are immiscible so one day you will hopefully receive the hydrogen bomb because the Super Bowl will be the next day and you guys will be messing up somewhere and we’ll be tired of playing patty cake. The pictures will make a great half time show.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:04 pm 28. cedarford:

Sigintel – (1)The Saudis own us and Europe…their oil revenues are obscene and the Wahhabi madrassas are well funded. (2) The hate for America and the Jews is now institutionalized and (3)there will be a continuous flow of new martyrs from each new generation of Muslims for jihad. (4)Looks like a very very “long war” ahead indeed.

1. The Saudis do not “own” us beyond some French whores, a big chunk of NYC, and certain members of the Bush Family. Their oil revenues are not “obscene” anymore than Britain’s were from their natural resources, our Agribiz due to lucky quanties of fertile land in America, or the Canadian lucky enough to have a now-lucrative gold mine as the declining dollar and American fiscal mismanagement have nearly tripled gold’s price.
Yes the Saudis fund Madrassahs. For about 29 years as America transferred about 100 billion to Israel, and spent about 600 million on education aid in poor muslim countries. The Saudi Madrassahs were the only schools available for kids as the West didn’t do squat in response or ask the Saudis to “tone them down” and teach more modern skills..

2. The hate for Americans is not institutionalized. Until the US became Israel’s Golem, we were pretty popular in Muslim lands. Even now, they hate us for our policies and some aspects of recent “debasing Hollywood culture” – both recent in the Muslim view of history – not generally as people.
Nor do they royally hate Jews, who they remember as useful collaborators, in skilled trades, the financiers of the Islamic World, collecting taxes from Dhimmi Christians. More of a dislike and distrust like was traditional in Europe as well, and most other countries. Zionists? Yes, they do hate the Zionists….But only in America is anti-Zionism seen as anti-Semitism, or as a “cover” for underlying anti-Semitism.

3. There will not be a continuous flow of jihad forevermore. Jihad is like Western and Asian Wars of slaughter – unwelcome, but at least intermittant.

4. Nor will the present wars with Islam be longer than other great global rivalries. Maybe longer than we want them to be, but likely less long in duration than we imagine, at times. The most intransigent conflict – Israel vs. Palestinians – has only gone on so long because outside powers enable intransigence. Be they wealthy overseas Jews, Americans, and Euro-reparations for Israel and it’s Settlements and other “fuck the world” acts – or the Saudis and Euros and Iranians subsidizing Pal intransigence and terror.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:12 pm 29. Habu:

Senate Passes $700 Billion Bailout Plan

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:19 pm 30. whiskey:

I found “Canadian Muslim” funny eh?

However, Obama if not Muslim is too friendly towards it. I’m sure he’d react to the nuking of NYC by apologies and groveling.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:19 pm 31. Bob Murphy:

@Habu
“We do have a challenge that appears to be moving quite rapidly our way. The S-300 anti aircraft system is the bad boy.”

The Russkies are trying to get even for what our shoulder fired AA missiles did to their helicopters in Afghanistan.

And in doing that we were getting even for the fact that the Russkies were running some of the anti-aircraft systems around Hanoi and Haiphong.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:27 pm 32. fred:

It all began around 622 A.D. when Muhammad gathered his few followers from Mecca and migrated to Yathrib (Medina), where he changed tactics and got the timely “revelations” from the sock puppet: carry war to the caravans and raid them for booty. Use the booty to expand the war to go after the dominant Jewish tribes in that area.

That’s when it all began.

You think that’s an oversimplification? Get up to speed in the Qur’an, ahadith, and the jihad conquest history. Secretary Gates, President Bush, Barack Obama, Condoleeza Rice, and even John McCain are deficient of that understanding. And by limiting the scope of operations against the jihadists to Afghanistan and Pakistan Obama tacitly conveys his understanding: that it is mainly a law enforcement problem, not a systemic/theological mandate within Islam itself. Thus, we see where our future policies are headed.

We have many miles to go before we are all on the same book and page that our enemies are on.

Oct 1, 2008 - 7:56 pm 33. fred:

Old Salt echoes my thoughts, exactly. In detail.

Satan has devised the perfect means to destroy humanity and thwart the Creator’s will, by drawing near to himself his perfect spawn, Muhammad, who was a narcissistic personality disordered devil, and then wrapping this deception in the guise of a “religion.”

It succeeds spectacularly among the hostile, secularized people of the West because many of them are either illiterate of their Christian and Jewish heritage or hold tightly to caricatures of them. Theologically illiterate, they then lack the rational templates of understanding that would enable them to see Islam for what it is.

Plus, Satan has convinced most people that he does not exist. The rest follows from that.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:01 pm 34. Mike Sylwester:

Michael Totten:
“Hardly anyone wants to think about the monumental size of this task or how long it will take. The illusion that the United States just needs to win in Afghanistan and everything will be fine is comforting, to be sure, but it is an illusion. Winning the war in Iraq won’t be enough either, nor will permanently preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons or resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict. The war may end somewhere with American troops on the ground, or, like the Cold War, it might not. No one can possibly foresee what event will actually put a stop to this war in the end. It is distant and unknowable. The world will change before we can even imagine what the final chapter might look like.”
=============

If this conflict indeed will continue for decades more, then a withdrawal and breather for a few years will be a minor interruption.

Obama will be President for four or eight years. I foresee that the USA will withdraw most of its military forces from Iraq and Afghanistan during the first two or three years of Obama’s Administration.

Then we’ll see what will happen, and we’ll prepare ourselves for the next round, whereever and whatever it will be. The next round for the USA might be in Algeria or in Indonesia. Maybe it will be in Lebanon and Israel. Time will tell.

In the meantime, while we are taking our breather, we can leave it up to the Moslems to murder mostly each other for a few years. And in the meantime, the gradual spread of globalization, communication and education will undermine the spirit, attraction and motivation of radical Moslems.

And in the meantime, some other countries might decide they should align themselves to fight along the USA in the next round.

I myself think the USA ought to continue fighting without interruption, but it is not to be. The US population does not have the will or persistence to continue more than two or three years longer right now. Let’s hope that our people’s wisdom are providing a wise course correction for the long run.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:03 pm 35. Habu:

Bob M,

Good observation.

The Stingers were a game changer and LBJ didn’t have the stones to knock out Haiphomg Harbor which was a suppurating boil in our side the entire war.

We had them on the run every time we went to the B-52’s, In fact Le Duc Tho admitted that they were about to negotiate an end to the war years before they allowed us to leave “with honor?” because they couldn’t handle the bombing. But each time we stopped too soon. I guess LBJ and Nixon had no “Unconditional Surrender” in their bag.

Peace is not the natural state of man. It is simply the interstitial times between wars. War is what mankind does best which certainly is a conundrum but no matter which history book you choose to look at there are not fifty pages between the discussion of war..

But this renascent newly aggressive Soviet Union is becoming a real hard problem. I’m sure no one has thought of the Fulda Gap in years but we could easily be reading about it again in the near future.

All of these major powers are taking tremendous advantage of our situation in A-stan. The fact that our forces are smaller, our equipment degraded, and NATO, another way to spell JOKE. Just what are we going to do if China moves against Taiwan, Russian moves west, while simultaneously having bases in Venezuela and Cuba and we are being bled in A-stan. Yes AQ is for now our biggest threat but that could change tomorrow. These next few years we will be very lucky not to become the worlds most unreliable ally because all our chips are in A-stan and we can’t react to other threat. That pushes us to the BIG BUTTON and the BIG BOMB just to survive: and will that be survival?

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:04 pm 36. trangbang68:

American Muslim is an obvious fraud, but I must say I have been reading Marcus Luttrell’s “Lone Survivor” and the account of 4 SEAL’s holding their own against 200 Taliban barbarians was thrilling.It reminded me of the little group of Delta guys who dispatched 1000 Somalis to Hell. If it came down to a flat out Clash of Civilizations no holds barred, we win. So American Muzzie if you’re real give it up ,go get a nice pulled pork sandwich. Mohammed’s a dead child molester and the Moon God can’t help you.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:09 pm 37. Habu:

Mike,

I can’t load a quote I was looking for by Napoleon and women and mothers but your point on Americans not having patience for protracted wars I think is very true. However I often wonder why we take wars that our night could dictate the outcome of in three days and turn them into protracted conflicts

Is ther an unwritten rule somewhere that we can’t use tactical nuclear artillery shells or some of the smaller H-bombs? Smaller H-bomb? Oxymoron, however in terrain such as the desert in Gulf I we could have easily used a few and sent a very powerful message.
Are we saving them until we are in a state where it is protracted war forever eating every resource we have in men and material or do we say to Karzai,” Look were going to make the NE tribal areas uninhabitable for 100 year and finish these AQ guys. The winds will by perfect day after tomorrow”…and then do it.

Is there doubt in anyone’s mind that eventually the AQ and other bad guys will get the BOMB and not hesitate to use it on us? I mean is there really anyone out there who believes that for the next 20 years we can sequester the bomb from the bad guys?

In the meantime our forces are being subjected to the Chinese water torture.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:33 pm 38. Habu:

trangbang68,

“If it came down to a flat out Clash of Civilizations no holds barred, we win.”

I agree but why do we have to wait until it gets to that point? There shouldn’t be a clash, there should be a flash and then a big crater in the ground.

We are the big dog turned into flower children. Should Sherman have dallied? Would Grant have been more” prudent” had he been more like McClelland? I think not.

Ever since WWII we’ve fought with the philosophy that all we want is to get the enemy to the negotiating table. Well that’s not what great countries do. They go out and conquer the enemy and dictate terms to the survivors.

No we wait on the correct place setting to be in place, complete with finger bowls.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:43 pm 39. Tony:

Trangbang,

I read Marcus’ fabulous first person account from a modern day Alamo or Thermopylae, I noted he was still killing guys a thousand yards away when he was stuck in a hollow log and horribly wounded. Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown the world we’re not the weak horse we were in the ’90’s.

As for noise on this channel, I’m telling youse:
Arguing with liberals is like playing football against girls, just don’t do it, you’ll feel bad afterwards, God just didn’t give them a fair chance at this game.

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:54 pm 40. Gary Rosen:

Like trangbang, I think AM is just pulling our chain. But it’s getting harder and harder to distinguish parody from reality with the Obama campaign:

http://tinyurl.com/3eme22

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:01 pm 41. Habu:

The Habit of Winning
by Vince Lombardi
Winning is not a sometime thing. You don’t win once-in-a-while. You don’t do things right once-in-a-while. You do them right all the time.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing. There is no room for second place. There is only one place in my game, and that is first place. I have finished second twice in my time at Green Bay, and I don’t ever want to finish second again. There is a second place bowl game–but it is a game for losers played by losers. It is and always has been an American zeal to be the first in anything we do and to win, and to win, and to win.
Every time a football player goes out to play, he’s got to play from the ground up. From the soles of his feet right up to his head. Every inch of him has to play. Some guys play with their heads. That’s okay – you’ve got to be smart to be number one in my business. But, more important, you’ve got to play with your heart. With every fiber of your body. If you are lucky enough to find a guy with a lot of head and a lot of heart, he’s never going to come off the field second.
Running a football team is no different from running any other kind of organization–an army, a political party, a business. The problems are the same. The objective is to win. To beat the other guy. Maybe that sounds hard or cruel. I don’t think it is.
It is a reality of life that men are competitive and the most competitive games draw the most competitive team. That’s why they’re here–to compete. They know the rules and the objectives when they get in the game. The objective is to win–fairly, squarely, decently, by the rules–but to win. And in truth, I have never known a man worth his salt who in the long run, deep down in his heart, did not appreciate the grind–the discipline. There is something in good men that really yearns for…needs…discipline and the harsh reality of head-to-head combat.
I don’t say these things because I believe in the “brute” nature of man, or that men must be brutalized to be
competitive. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man’s finest hours, his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle victorious.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:08 pm 42. Elroy Jetson:

The only potential saving grace about an Obama presidency is that he will start running for reelection as soon as he is sworn in. Thus, if the US or a close ally gets hit with a terrorist attack, a Clinton-like response will see his approval rating plummet. That is something his ego would not handle very well.
He may overreact to such an attack, depending on the situation. I think the Islamofacists are planning on testing him right off the bat. 2009 could be a fascinating year.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:09 pm 43. Paul:

Obama, our Dear Leader, is a pathological liar. He easily and without discomfort changed his positions on nuclear power, missile defense and offshore drilling along with a whole slew of other “nuances” since the primaries.

I don’t think anything he says now, during toughest weeks of the campaign, reflects at all what he believes. I don’t think for a minute he thinks “Terrorism” began in Afghanistan. That debate answer was just a Dummycrat talking point that Mc Cain should have blasted, but didn’t of course. Remember, Obama has cultivated terrorists as friends: Ayers, Khalili, and others along with other terrorist enablers such as Edward Said, Resko, and Auchi. This guy actually knows quite a number of terrorists and friends of terrorists. Think about that for a moment.

The truly scary thing is that what Obama actually believes probably won’t be revealed until he unleashes it upon America after he is President.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:10 pm 44. fred:

Gary Rosen,

Thanks to some timely advice from one of the members here, I was able to download a program that downloads youtube videos. I was then able to snag that thing before the inevitable would happen (and did): youtube pulled it. I now have the file and I send it to all my friends who want to know all about the Left’s new “Horst Wessel Lied” song. Instead of Hitler Jugend we have the Obama Jugend.

But what really steams me is the fact that NBC is owned by GE. I am begging everyone who owns GE stock and who has problems with NBC’s political advocacy to sell their GE stock and tell Jeffrey Immelt all about it.

And, as a securities’ analyst I have a professional opinion about GE. I tend to agree with the analysts over at Morningstar that GE is good value, has some solid core businesses, and a wide economic moat. BUT, I do not agree that it is good for GE investors that the company has these media holdings. They don’t make much money or even lose it. In other words, the media businesses do not add value to ROE at all and may even divert free cash flow from elsewhere. So, I am not very positive about GE as an investment.

Flash News: On the WSJ online edition it reports that GE has turned to Warren Buffet for an infusion of 3 billion in cash. Now, what does that tell you?

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:13 pm 45. Paul:

OOps ! I should have said “War on Terror” instead of “Terrorism”.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:14 pm 46. Eggplant:

Paul said:

“Obama, our Dear Leader, is a pathological liar….
The truly scary thing is that what Obama actually believes probably won’t be revealed until he unleashes it upon America after he is President.”

Yup! The idiots will make him President for the next four years and they don’t have a clue what he’ll actually do.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:24 pm 47. Habu:

Folks,
This election isn’t over. it’s close and I’m already hearind alot of capitulation..what’s up with that?

Do we need to get every voter to the polls yes.
Today I called the local Rep Party and offered to give rides to those Reps who for whatever reason can’t drive. Please offer the same. If we can get out our side we can take this election. Don’t quit before the election’s over…and it’s not over til it’s over..
Make it so you can look at youself in the mirror knowing you did all you could. No one can ask more and we should do nothing less.

Lets not get wobbly. Lets make Obama eat his smirk.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:55 pm 48. Wadeusaf:

I know historically that Al Qaeda found a friendly environment and support in Afghanistan, and some Mujaheddin who fought to oust the army of the soviets thought it was given a second task in ousting the US military from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. The cold war interplay of pawns set Saddam against most Arab states and Iraq against Saddam. Taking advantage of religious difference and cultural difference was not a primary instigation but rather a tactic in the tragic history of the region.

At best the Wahhabi could be said to be defending Islam from the unrighteous rule of the house of Saud. At worse Wahhabi fanatics can be accused of an attempt to unite Sunni Islam, read Arab, and the Sunni Islamic states throughout the world in a bid for domination.
Iran in all of this is a wild card, a side note that may or may not have any influence in the game. It remains dangerous but really inconsequential.

Pakistan as the perennial failed “perfect” state of Islam, has yet to come to grips with itself. Will it continue to be a failure or will it rise above its lowest common denominations to actually make a contribution to humanity, by helping itself out of the jam its got itself stuck in.

Having been effectively denied control of oil producing states, Wahabbists followers are strongest in the those areas least able to control or come to grips with them. Those being Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa and Europe, and financing is provided by fits and starts through other not state means.

So to say the GWOT started with the planning of 9/11 in any one place displays a fundamental lack of understanding about the motivations and drive behind Al Qaeda and similar groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, or the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary movement of Khomeini.

We will continue to be at war with one part or another of this sort unless and until we can deny them a footing in the areas they bring to submission. That is a long and slow and sometimes hard process which we have mostly got done. But like the gains in Iraq, the progress made on a global scale is fragile still and liable to spin quickly out of control. Getting NATO, Gulf States and Southern Asia and Africa engaged in defeating the Islamists whatever form they take, will ensure a long and lasting peace.

A Nuclear solution, does not address the any relevant cause, does not promote change in a meaningful or relevant way, and in fact imposes reasons to continue the senseless slaughter of generations.

These are notions that are demonstrably beyond Senator Biden’s ability to comprehend and Senator Obama has not shown a working grasp or understanding of it.

President Bush has not articulated it. Senator John McCain knows not only the price, and the sacrifice needed, but the strategy required as well. If I did not agree with him on any other issue I would have to vote for McCain based on this one.

Oct 1, 2008 - 10:03 pm 49. fred:

O.K. Konyok, you sold me. I will call my local Rep Party headquarters and ask how I can help. I’m just not interested in being door to door salesman. I hate being a pest to other people, so sales is not my vocation. Besides, I’m an introvert. Quiet but thoughtful. I wonder what I could do. Maybe they could have me write letters to the editor of the local papers?

Oct 1, 2008 - 10:05 pm 50. tanarg:

I am sick with worry that Obama will win because of the mindless masses who are hypnotized. Sick, I say. And scared.

Oct 1, 2008 - 11:41 pm 51. tanarg:

I am doing what I can, though, to help the cause.

Oct 1, 2008 - 11:41 pm 52. Taquia Binge:

To: American Takfiri;

Obama is from the party of what I call Parasitic Socialism. Democrat Party. Parasitic Socialism depends on, feeds off, its free market, prosperous host. Its creates deceptive institutions, such as United Nations, and perpetrates The “Oil for Food” fraud, and now through Farney Branks mark to market National Socialism. The dangerousness of the Parasitic socialist is, of course, that he, it rather, threatens to kill off its host, either with his propaganda, or by the more expedient means of fraud, mismanagement, malfeasance, bribery, corruption, incompetence, and outright theft, punitive taxation etc., all done through government agencies such as Jamie Gorelicks Justice Dept, and through executive order, rather than through Democratic Representative Majority Mandate. The irony is staggering.
Does Sharia law include government mandated funding for all abortions, as Democrat Party Platform stipulates? Better check the fine print on that, its on their website. Abortion exterminates black babies at twice the level of their population percentage. (17 million of the 40 million since Roe vs. Wade.) Anyway Margaret Sanger would be pleased, although I don’t think she was Muslim. Do you, or Islams “Sharia Law” advocate homosexual sex ed for pre-schoolers?
You’re a fraud, and you plan on taking Obama out the moment he has given you all you think you’re going to get from him, such a high profile killing of not only an “infidel”, but an apostate as well.
You engage in all the deceptions, the Taqquia, if you will that Obama does, all justified in the name of the greatest of the pantheon of Arabic Polytheistic Gods. Remember that Muhommads fathers name was Abd-allah. the War god of the Arabian family of Gods. So Allah was worshipped, as were many others, long before Mo was fabricated to be the “profit” of plunder by various factions who invented the “recitation” as they went along. Selectively revising it along the way to re-cast it as a ripoff of Judeo Christian Monotheism. Annexing the tradition and scholarship of others to found a new crackpot religion. You know, like the leftists did with national socialism.

Oct 2, 2008 - 12:00 am 53. American Muslim:

Taquia Binge:

Your hatred and fear are devouring you and diverting you from the straight path.

If you will just calm yourself and reject your false beliefs, you can learn of the beauty and peacefullness of Islam.

I suggest that you visit a mosque. There is bound to be one near to you. Ask to speak with the immam and tell him that you simply want some true information about Islam.

Do not be afraid and don’t worry that you don’t know any of the Muslims who attend the mosque. Rest assured that they know you.

Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Allahu akbar!

Oct 2, 2008 - 12:41 am 54. Fletcher Christian:

American Muslim; the time is fast approaching when required dress for the hajj will be lead underwear and a breathing mask, and the Kaaba will be radioactive dust in the stratosphere, replaced on the surface of the Earth by a glass-lined hole a quarter of a mile deep. And several hundred thousand of your brothers in Islam will in that moment of thunder and starfire have joined Mohammed (hellfire and eternal damnation be upon him) in the Eighth Circle of Hell where he, and they, belong.

To everyone else; is not a 1300-year war long enough? Why have we not done the above already?

The West does not hold a flaming sword; it holds Lucifer’s Hammer. Time, and past time, to let it fall.

Oct 2, 2008 - 1:59 am 55. Bob Murphy:

@Fletcher
You do know the RN still has Trident missile submarines, don’t you? 16 missiles, each with up to 12 warheads. One submarine always at sea on patrol.

Oct 2, 2008 - 3:58 am 56. Wadeusaf:

“Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.”

That is so ridiculous as to be funny. It is such a caricature of bad manners and dull stupid thinking as to be believable as a representation of a medieval thought process. Very well done too, I might add.

My grandchildren have your grandchildren in their sights. exhale, squeeeeeeee

Oct 2, 2008 - 5:22 am 57. TonyB:

Grey Fox,

You don’t even need to wait another generation:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1736666.ece

Oct 2, 2008 - 5:24 am 58. Mark:

L3 writes, on target as usual:

“And finally, he will change the tone of US-Israeli relations, staking out a more pro-Palestinian public position. This move will be couched as a “change of Middle East strategy,” with a renewed focus on the “root causes” of Islam extremism.”

That’s a prediction you can believe in!

Oct 2, 2008 - 5:52 am 59. Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Things Heard: e35v4:

[...] non-centrality of Afghanistan contra Mr Obama and the left’s assertions to the [...]

Oct 2, 2008 - 6:11 am 60. wildiris:

Whenever someone starts asking the question about something, “when did it all start?”, the images that always come into my mind are scenes from the play/movie, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead. If anyone here remembers that play, they’ll no doubt understand the connection to this post.

Oct 2, 2008 - 7:17 am 61. Paul:

Habu is correct, this election is not over. Mc Cain can still win.

Palin tonight just has to remember:

The best defense is a good offense. Make the debate about Obama’s insane leftwing ideas.

Be philosophical, and don’t get dragged down into the minutia.

Go with the Reaganisms like Peace through Strength.

Ridicule the Dems and be funny.

Just win Sarah!

Oct 2, 2008 - 7:40 am 62. fred:

“Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the will of Almighty Allah (swt).

Your grandchildren will be Muslim.”

Now why would I embrace the Devil? And my grandchildren will decide for themselves if they want to follow the religion of their parents.

And in the Devil’s embrace there is no peace.

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:31 am 63. American Buddhist:

Tomorrow embrace Nothing.

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:56 am 64. Al_Batross:

“Ever since WWII we’ve fought with the philosophy that all we want is to get the enemy to the negotiating table” – Habu.

And that is not a bad philosophy. It’s intention is humane. The problem it just requires an enemy who has some valid concept of negotiation.

Oct 2, 2008 - 2:28 pm 65. Taquia Binge:

Hey american takfiri, I notice you dodge the question I asked you in good faith, in order to engage in homilies, hyperbole, canards, and slander, the hallmark of you, Obama and his ilk, that live by the double standard (in our society) that allows the socialist limousine liberals to evade being held accountable.
By dodging the question I asked you, you tacitly answered it.
You dodge the touchy question of abortion, you won’t answer where Islam stands on it and you promote the man whos party plans for the government to not only permit it, but to FUND IT.
I mentioned that Obama is an apostate. To muslims that means that he left Islam, an act punishable by death according to “sharia law”. High profile indeed. So much for ‘tolerance”, in your religon.
Obama has called for, and I quote, “…a national police force, funded, and supported, every bit as much as the military”. Is a national police force, headquartered in Washington D.C. ["funded and supported..."] a step in the diection of the “straight path” of you define as ’sharia law’?
Why don’t you go to your local iman and asked him these questions. Since every question in life is to be presented to him and despenced by him. And while your at it, ask him about Ghaddaffi’s Green book, which counsels against that very concept, and instead, reading and solving all you own problems by taking personal responsibility for ones decisions and ones acts? Apostacism again? Martin Luther advocated identical counsel.
Ask him about Taqquia? If you’re to lazy, Taqquia is lying to the ‘infidel”. Its a commandment in the recitation. The same fundamental theme of Ralph Ellison’s classic novel -The Invisible Man-. One of many books you would burn because its not the recitation, (but not at first). Just like yours did with the library in Alexandria.
Are you for forcing labor union votes to be disclosed (not secret) to labor union bosses? Obama does. I asked you a question about Sharias stand on infant sacrifice. And the best inference you can make is that no amount death, murder, and slaughter are enough to satiate the Arabic God of War. A Revenge Cycle without end. Yeah, Ollie is the greatest of the greatest of all the spectrum of Arabic Gods, ever since he was rehabilitated from the rest of those deific losers every other arab worshipped in plurality.
So I ask you again, what is your, or Olies stand on Abortion?

Oct 2, 2008 - 3:23 pm 66. Fletcher Christian:

Bob Murphy; yes, I do know that the RN has that capability. I would like to think that in the event that Islamic WMD are used on Britain first instead of the USA, that the capability will be used. But I can’t be sure, and my finger is for sure not on the button. If it was, certain cities in the Middle East would be glass parking lots already.

There is a larger question. Given that the West eventually follows the logic of the Three Conjectures, what will following it do to us? I submit that the victory (which is not at all in question unless the West altogether loses its collective spine) would be somewhat Pyrrhic. What would the gigadeath, inflicted by the free West, do to its soul? And would the damage heal?

Oct 2, 2008 - 3:51 pm 67. Taquia Binge:

P. S. You will abort my grandchildren, if given the chance.

Oct 2, 2008 - 4:57 pm 68. Bob Murphy:

@Tony B
“You don’t even need to wait another generation:”

There’s something incredibly insane about a society or system that will subsidize its own demise.

And that is exactly what is happening in Britain with so many of those hostile immigrants on the dole which gives them more every time they breed.

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:31 pm 69. Ex-fetus:

Cease warring against Allah (swt)

I still haven’t figured out what swt stands for. Small wrinkled testicles? Single white towel? Stupid wahabbi teacher? Shoot with tech-9 ? How about a clue?

Bob, the S-300 is a POS. So far it has zero kills out of many opportunities. It didn’t do the Syrians any good when they took out the Syrian reactor. It is useless against any First line American aircraft. Maybe an French Piper Cub? It is just a souped up SA-10 with a smaller warhead and the same junk electronics.

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:14 am 70. New American Muslim Convert:

Hey guys, I’m know I’m a little late to the party, uh thread I mean, but please, you must forgive me, Whew!.. I’ve just spent the last hours beheading several infidels, and my arms are very tired. Its pretty, uh, grueling work, pardon the pun, but it sure gives me that exhausted moment where I can “learn of the beauty and peacefulness of Islam”. And by cracky, there’s nothing like beheading hordes of infidels that better cleans my mind, and helps me “calm down and reject those pesky false beliefs”, like the guilt free psychopathology you get from perks like raping children, pillaging anything your horse can’t carry, looting previously held private property from the infidel gobs of flesh heaped up in the corner, burning everything else to the ground…well that and the sleep deprivation I guess…but I digress. (Beets the hell out of gittin another barbaric waterboarding the infidel practices with impunity in the schools)

but hey, I’m gettin in here on the ground basement…ooh sorry, ground floor. I mean I know which side of that rusty saw I want to be on. I fled “the losing side for the winning side” (I think thats the way the Imam put it to me when I asked him about it). I mean, Islam is “the way of the future” as Howard Hughes put it. (Everyone knows Howard Hughes converted to Islam, even though the Infidel fascist press has covered it all up.)

Anyway there’s talk of opening up factories to process the infidel on an assembly line basis, thereby cutting back on ineffeciencies in acheiving the maximum effect of the projected goal. A true Industrial American style operation!We never had an abbatoir back home. You see,The Infidel arrives on a conveyor belt in exteme comfort, in an open air corridor past murals depicting Medditerranian scenes past the rotating knives; the mangled flesh slurps into these shutes, (none of your blood caked on the walls, inconveniencing the passers by with this one, No!) But you know what,I think that would take away from the whole romance of the thing, you know? I mean, without passion, there is no compassion, know what I mean? Shame! Shame! Shame! Stinkun thinkun! Must- put- others- before self!

But you know, life is a series of trade offs, so what are you going to do? I think there will be plenty of freelance work on the frontier anyway, thats what I hear. Thats wher I’ll go if I need to get away from the grind. That’s why its so beneficial that I get in now, so that my grandchildren can have a shot at rote memorizational repititional… uh, scholarship, instead of the old grind, but hey, here I go being selfish again! But the first of next month I get a peek at the new wha? Its ti? Oh, sorry, its looks like its time for seven p.m. prayers so I better get crackin’! Time to get down on my haunches, kiss the ground and let you-know-who do the drivin’! Ollie-who Okhbore and all that! See you in the funny papers! And/Or be damned! Jus kidding! I know what I’m talking about!

Oh, and on a side note, Its beginning to look as though the gig is up on our subprime, so we’ll have to finance a new loan on another safe house. Boy, you know, sometimes there’s no peace for those who “Embrace Islam now and live in peace in submission to the Almighty D’ollah”! You know, some idiot suggested we might reduce the effect of gravity on the blood flow if we just strangled these dels, giving us time before the smell sets in, oh anyway I beheaded that low rent, small minded, small time, pea brain before I gave it another thought. I mean, really, Some people try to just suck the fun right out of every thing! You know, just like that Tok-Kee-Yah Bingo MoFo guy did to this thread, I mean he just killed it Dead!! Shut It Down Flat!

Here we were trying to have a discussion on nukes and stuff, and he trys to draw an inference between that and aborting millions, I mean, go figure! Next he’ll probably say that those are the 40 million uninsured in this country or some such sheit

Its like the guy has no sense of humor. Hey dude, ever read Averroes treatise -On Humor?-. Hmmm? (or was that Aristotle’s?). Or better yet, maybe go see if you can deliver that hard turd that keeps you so, you know, so all passive-aggressive all the time!? Sheesh! Chill out, relax, and reject all those pesky

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:38 am 71. Bob Murphy:

@ex-fetus
“Bob, the S-300 is a POS. So far it has zero kills out of many opportunities. It didn’t do the Syrians any good when they took out the Syrian reactor.”
I hope so ex-fetus. But maybe it was the Syrians trying to operate it.
The stakes are higher in Iran and I’d take a punt on direct Russkie participation in running the air defence.
That’s what they need in North Vietnam with the SA missiles.
I hope we shall see. Soon.

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:30 am 72. veracious:

@Taquia Binge:

It is well known by reading Islamic material that they are allowed (actually encouraged) to lie, steal, rape and pillage the infidels at every opportunities.

Lying in this context. I find it probable that Obama is lying, and not apostate, regarding the religion of his youth.

What is it about We the People, that makes us so gullible? so needing to bend our enemies intentions into some sphere of our own understanding? are we afraid of looking evil square in the eye, for the darkness makes us aware of danger?

It is, _dangerous_; I fear we’ve only begun to see the nature of things to come. History teaches, those who know it, that reality shifts dramatically, traumatically even, at times. Especially for those who don’t recognize the times and act to prevent it. America is not yet activating, it is sleeping and dreaming of easy livin’ – times gone by in recent memory – times this side of tomorrow.

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:23 am 73. Bob Murphy:

@veracious
Perhaps what makes us so gullible is the presumption of reason and the price each of us would have to pay in our lives if we could no longer make that presumption.
I spent five years in Europe and never did see any of the intense joy, love of life, ectasy even that I have seen in America many, many times. You pay a price to give up your naivete.
Perhaps that is why we were late to so many wars. We didn’t believe Das Kapital, or Mein Kampf, or the Koran for that matter.
Nor the straight spoken words of the Lenins, the Stalins, the Mohammeds, the Khomeinis and any number of mullahs.
We could afford to be naive before with our size, might, and ocean barriers but I am afraid the stakes with nukes etc are too high now and the enemy too close, even inside the gates.
And our self loathing lefties worry about global warming. Cheesh!

Oct 8, 2008 - 2:04 am

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