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		<title>By: Expressions</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/10/03/good-or-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-18996</link>
		<dc:creator>Expressions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bailout was bad, really bad.  The liberal illuminati passed a bill that saved the crooks on Wall Street, and Mainstreet has to pay for it.  That was not only bad, it was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bailout was bad, really bad.  The liberal illuminati passed a bill that saved the crooks on Wall Street, and Mainstreet has to pay for it.  That was not only bad, it was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/10/03/good-or-bad/comment-page-4/#comment-16240</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fletcher
Most of those suggestions sound sensible. You owe it to yourself to communicate them to your local Member.
At least that much.
What a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fletcher<br />
Most of those suggestions sound sensible. You owe it to yourself to communicate them to your local Member.<br />
At least that much.<br />
What a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, a few things that could be done: Repeal the Human Rights Act, and having done that expel all convicted foreign criminals and rabble-rousing clerics from the country; make it illegal to provide prayer facilities in places of work; ban halal slaughter; ban the building of new mosques, or conversion of buildings to same; crack down - heavily - on immigration; remove all leisure facilities of any sort from prisons and fire any warders found smuggling in drugs. Also leave the EU and repeal all the legislation that it has foisted upon us.

The trouble is that none of that is going to happen - at least not until blood has run in the streets. I don&#039;t have an answer. I am not sure anyone has one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, a few things that could be done: Repeal the Human Rights Act, and having done that expel all convicted foreign criminals and rabble-rousing clerics from the country; make it illegal to provide prayer facilities in places of work; ban halal slaughter; ban the building of new mosques, or conversion of buildings to same; crack down &#8211; heavily &#8211; on immigration; remove all leisure facilities of any sort from prisons and fire any warders found smuggling in drugs. Also leave the EU and repeal all the legislation that it has foisted upon us.</p>
<p>The trouble is that none of that is going to happen &#8211; at least not until blood has run in the streets. I don&#8217;t have an answer. I am not sure anyone has one.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was also true of many places in the US, Fletcher.
My concern in the case of the UK is that you now have a large and rapidly growing minority that is inimical to everything you believe in and a police force and legal system that will not protect you from them. 
And you are denied the opportunity to defend yourself in any effective way.
That is why so many Englishman are doing a cut and run to the ex-colonies. And the problem thus gets worse.
And you have no practical means to change the course of events because your class betters run the show. 
And even they are powerless against the EU&#039;s unelected aparatchik aristocracy.
So what is the solution, Fletcher?
What do you really think you can do to restore the rule of law, if anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was also true of many places in the US, Fletcher.<br />
My concern in the case of the UK is that you now have a large and rapidly growing minority that is inimical to everything you believe in and a police force and legal system that will not protect you from them.<br />
And you are denied the opportunity to defend yourself in any effective way.<br />
That is why so many Englishman are doing a cut and run to the ex-colonies. And the problem thus gets worse.<br />
And you have no practical means to change the course of events because your class betters run the show.<br />
And even they are powerless against the EU&#8217;s unelected aparatchik aristocracy.<br />
So what is the solution, Fletcher?<br />
What do you really think you can do to restore the rule of law, if anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Murphy; once, we had a country whose total annual death toll to homicide was less than that of one city in the USA. Once, we had a country where people could, and did, leave their doors open when they went to work.

And that is because once, we had a country largely in agreement as to the desirable shape of society, and respectful of authority; and we also had authority figures worthy of that respect.

We now have none of those things, and the lack of the first paragraph directly follows on the lack of the second. Guns have absolutely nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Murphy; once, we had a country whose total annual death toll to homicide was less than that of one city in the USA. Once, we had a country where people could, and did, leave their doors open when they went to work.</p>
<p>And that is because once, we had a country largely in agreement as to the desirable shape of society, and respectful of authority; and we also had authority figures worthy of that respect.</p>
<p>We now have none of those things, and the lack of the first paragraph directly follows on the lack of the second. Guns have absolutely nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fletcher
Can you now understand why America has a 2nd Amendment?
Sometimes the words just stop or become totally irrelevant.
Have you ever heard the old saying, &quot;An armed society is a polite society?&quot;
Ain&#039;t it wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fletcher<br />
Can you now understand why America has a 2nd Amendment?<br />
Sometimes the words just stop or become totally irrelevant.<br />
Have you ever heard the old saying, &#8220;An armed society is a polite society?&#8221;<br />
Ain&#8217;t it wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee; I agree with you - but I only have one vote. Other things that could be tried include actually enforcing the regulations on immigration, not to mention the laws we already have against incitement to murder, arson and riot. One of the worst laws ever passed in the UK was the Human Rights Act - it was the typical bad law passed with good intentions, and should be repealed - right now. It&#039;s being used by all sorts of undesirables to avoid the proper penalty for their crimes.

Unfortunately, I think that none of this will happen except as a response to widespread civil unrest, and after a very large lurch to the Right - which may well be undesirable for other reasons; some of the policies of the BNP are little different from those of Hitler.

I have been called racist, and to my face. I am not. Islam is not a race. Instead, it is the largest death cult in history - and, sooner or later, history is where it will be and nowhere else. Why not now?

One thing I am completely unable to have my views altered about; British-born converts to Islam are traitors, by definition, and should be treated as such, in the traditional way; &quot;you will be taken hence to the prison in which you were last confined and from there to a place of execution where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead and thereafter your body buried within the precincts of the prison and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee; I agree with you &#8211; but I only have one vote. Other things that could be tried include actually enforcing the regulations on immigration, not to mention the laws we already have against incitement to murder, arson and riot. One of the worst laws ever passed in the UK was the Human Rights Act &#8211; it was the typical bad law passed with good intentions, and should be repealed &#8211; right now. It&#8217;s being used by all sorts of undesirables to avoid the proper penalty for their crimes.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think that none of this will happen except as a response to widespread civil unrest, and after a very large lurch to the Right &#8211; which may well be undesirable for other reasons; some of the policies of the BNP are little different from those of Hitler.</p>
<p>I have been called racist, and to my face. I am not. Islam is not a race. Instead, it is the largest death cult in history &#8211; and, sooner or later, history is where it will be and nowhere else. Why not now?</p>
<p>One thing I am completely unable to have my views altered about; British-born converts to Islam are traitors, by definition, and should be treated as such, in the traditional way; &#8220;you will be taken hence to the prison in which you were last confined and from there to a place of execution where you will be hanged by the neck until you are dead and thereafter your body buried within the precincts of the prison and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher - obvious Moslems in traditional dress don&#039;t seem to do that too much here in America.  Guy they knock to the ground could very well have a gun, and obvious Moslems know he&#039;d be acquitted (or not even arrested) for having perforated them in self-defense.  

You really should try it.  You&#039;d like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher &#8211; obvious Moslems in traditional dress don&#8217;t seem to do that too much here in America.  Guy they knock to the ground could very well have a gun, and obvious Moslems know he&#8217;d be acquitted (or not even arrested) for having perforated them in self-defense.  </p>
<p>You really should try it.  You&#8217;d like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob; quite. I am peaceful by nature; but I watch my own country (the UK) taken over, little by little, by an utterly alien ideology and I shiver. And it is characteristic of most Western countries that they tolerate, and tolerate, and tolerate - until a certain, unpredictable, point is reached and then we snap. And then, God help anyone who stands in our way for He is the only one who can.

I will illustate the point. I believe this little scene was enacted in 2006. Picture a law-abiding, white, British-descended male going about his lawful business - which happened to be waiting in line for a machine dispensing subway tickets. He was having a little trouble with the machine; something to do with crumpled currency and the machine having trouble with it. Cue obvious Moslems in traditional dress, one of whom proceeds to knock this man to the ground, yelling &quot;Out of my way, infidel slave!&quot; and get his own ticket.

Victim of this assault goes to the local police, insisting that the perpetrators of the assault be arrested - there were many witnesses and CCTV coverage of the event. Not only do the local police not investigate the assault, they threaten to arrest the complainant for &quot;hate crime&quot; if he persists in making a fuss.

Which Islamic hellhole did this occur in? London. I estimate that the mosque-burnings will start within five years; and I will be cheering on the burners. I won&#039;t say &quot;arsonists&quot; for I believe that their actions will be justified. Britain is not beyond hope. Not quite yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob; quite. I am peaceful by nature; but I watch my own country (the UK) taken over, little by little, by an utterly alien ideology and I shiver. And it is characteristic of most Western countries that they tolerate, and tolerate, and tolerate &#8211; until a certain, unpredictable, point is reached and then we snap. And then, God help anyone who stands in our way for He is the only one who can.</p>
<p>I will illustate the point. I believe this little scene was enacted in 2006. Picture a law-abiding, white, British-descended male going about his lawful business &#8211; which happened to be waiting in line for a machine dispensing subway tickets. He was having a little trouble with the machine; something to do with crumpled currency and the machine having trouble with it. Cue obvious Moslems in traditional dress, one of whom proceeds to knock this man to the ground, yelling &#8220;Out of my way, infidel slave!&#8221; and get his own ticket.</p>
<p>Victim of this assault goes to the local police, insisting that the perpetrators of the assault be arrested &#8211; there were many witnesses and CCTV coverage of the event. Not only do the local police not investigate the assault, they threaten to arrest the complainant for &#8220;hate crime&#8221; if he persists in making a fuss.</p>
<p>Which Islamic hellhole did this occur in? London. I estimate that the mosque-burnings will start within five years; and I will be cheering on the burners. I won&#8217;t say &#8220;arsonists&#8221; for I believe that their actions will be justified. Britain is not beyond hope. Not quite yet.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.28704/pub_detail.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;further reading on F&amp;F&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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