53 Comments

1. David Thomson:

Voter fraud is out of control in the United States. This has occurred because most of the time the crime is committed by minorities. The fear of being called a racist intimidates the authorities. Once again, political correctness threatens the very foundations of Western Civilization.

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:31 am 2. ledger:

I think the democrats will need Voter Fraud To Win this election given the “Bradley Effect.” I ran the electoral numbers and McCain can certainly win.

I think the electoral race is very close I see McCain getting between 259 to 275 votes (it takes 270 to win).

I will do the breakdown later.

I believe the “Bradley Effect” will be much higher than expected.

[Zombie explains the Bradley Effect]:

“Despite being a well-known phrase, the Bradley Effect is quite often misreported by the media and misunderstood by the public to mean that whites who are racist will refuse to vote for any black candidate yet will lie to pollsters about their intentions for fear of having their racist attitudes exposed. As a result, polls sometimes over-report support for black candidates in elections when they are running against white candidates. But this is a gross misapprehension of what the term means. First of all, the phrase “Bradley Effect” originally only referred to a bare-bones description of what actually happens in such races: White voters tell pollsters they intend to vote for the black candidate, but on election day they either vote for the white candidate or don’t vote at all…”

See: The Lefts big blunder
http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:48 am 3. ledger:

I think the democrats will need voter fraud to win this election given the “Bradley Effect.” I ran the electoral numbers and McCain can certainly win.

I think the electoral race is very close I see McCain getting between 259 to 275 votes (it takes 270 to win).

I will do the breakdown later.

I believe the “Bradley Effect” will be much higher than expected.

[Zombie explains the Bradley Effect]:

“Despite being a well-known phrase, the Bradley Effect is quite often misreported by the media and misunderstood by the public to mean that whites who are racist will refuse to vote for any black candidate yet will lie to pollsters about their intentions for fear of having their racist attitudes exposed. As a result, polls sometimes over-report support for black candidates in elections when they are running against white candidates. But this is a gross misapprehension of what the term means. First of all, the phrase “Bradley Effect” originally only referred to a bare-bones description of what actually happens in such races: White voters tell pollsters they intend to vote for the black candidate, but on election day they either vote for the white candidate or don’t vote at all…”

See: The Lefts big blunder

http://www.zombietime.com/lefts_big_blunder/

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:51 am 4. sleeper:

It is also true that in a number of countries voter fraud is non-existent or negligible. The price is a much tighter control of the citizenry on the part of the state. When you are legally obliged to register your place of residence and to carry a state-issued I.D., the state keeps reliable voter lists and the whole fraud-prone registration process is bypassed. The question is, do you want to go that way?

Oct 22, 2008 - 3:56 am 5. vb:

I would love to see a bipartisan group get together to establish voting standards that would emphasize the rights AND responsibilities of voters. McGovern would be a fine standard bearer for the dems. Groups in individual states could then push to have the standards applied locally.

I get rather tired of hearing about disenfranchised voters who can’t make it to registration offices. I bet many would have no problem taking valid ID and a photo to a store across town that offered flat screens for ten bucks. Local registrars could make efforts to accomodate the disabled, but why should young healthy folks have to be chased down to vote.

Oct 22, 2008 - 4:11 am 6. hdgreene:

During the ad breaks I watched a bit of the LBJ bio on American Experience (PBS) the other night. It seems voter fraud played an important part in his political career (each time I “flipped” to PBS they were discussing it). Apparently, to win the Democrat Primary you had to out “vote stuff” your opponent. LBJ failed to do that on his first run for the Senate (he took it like a man, though). But he did out fraud the other guy on his second run. Landslide Lyndon won by 85 votes after finding a mysterious ballot box.

Liberals think election fraud is cute — when it benefits the left. I don’t look for a different outcome this time around.

Oct 22, 2008 - 4:55 am 7. gael:

beleive that i prefer an educated willing voter to one whi has to be “rounded up” and “bought off”. If these ACORN groups and other community organzisers put half as much effort into educating voters (v strongarming them) we’d have better elections. Actually, the education should be put back into public schools, so our children learn, civics, Actual American History (v. the revisionist garbage they get now), Government (so they undertand their place in it) we’d ALL be much better off.

Oct 22, 2008 - 4:59 am 8. Bill R:

I just wish that legitimate voters would choose a political philosophy before looking at candidates.

Ignorant voters are worse than dead ones.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:05 am 9. Gordon:

#4:

Yep, that was the famous ballot box discovered in Duval County TX, run by the political boss George Parr, the ‘Duke of Duval’.

Parr was later convicted of tax fraud and, along the way, pistol whipped by a tough Texas Ranger, Captain Alee, whom I met briefly through my mother when he was elderly and retired.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:24 am 10. James:

Sleeper: here in Australia there’s no requirement to carry a state-issued ID. It’s not too hard to stay off the electoral roll, and not too hard to get off it once you’re on – just move and leave no forwarding address. In any case, the US federal government already has you in SSN and IRS databases, and the state most likely from your driver’s license.

The real advantage we have is a politically-independent, nation-wide electoral commission. None of this secretary of state certifying results business.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:47 am 11. Ken Nelson » Blog Archive » Bad Idea: 8 of 9/11 hijackers were registered to vote:

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Oct 22, 2008 - 7:33 am 12. Darren:

Big fan of the purple finger method here. It is an indelible marker that you’ve already voted and cannot do so again. If you’re willing to permanently sacrifice your digits to vote multiple times, then you’re welcome to do so. Reattachemnt surgery cannot be covered by any nationalized health services, though.

I find it interesting that Motor Voter was such a needed and important issue, and yet, when you insist that people provide state-issued ID when they vote (the kind you would get at the DMV, where the disenfranchised can now easily register), it’s somehow voter suppression.

Heads I win, tails you lose, I guess.

Oct 22, 2008 - 7:41 am 13. Charles:

I hearing on the radio this morning that Time magazine went to Hawaii to verify obama’s birth certificate. they failed. rather than report their results — they reported nothing.

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:35 am 14. james wilson:

“both sides” my ass.

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:37 am 15. Dave:

This is why even the minimal amount done to ACORN thus far is important.

Turn in more votes than registrations and their plans go awry.

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:21 am 16. dueler88:

Here in my fine State of Oregon, *all* voting is done by mail. Addressing the “problem” of voter disenfranchisement is good in concept, but it can be taken to a point that practically encourages voter fraud.

As I look forward to mailing my ballot in this year, I can’t help but think about the potential for fraud. I sign the envelope, but will anybody check that signature against the signature that’s on record? How can a person be presumed alive or a US citizen if they don’t make a live appearance to prove who they are and cast their vote? If the *entire* process of registration and voting is accomplished nearly anonymously, how can verification of citizenship occur anywhere?

Frankly, when I watched the purple-fingered Iraqis several years ago, I thought that their election was more legitimate than Oregon’s.
There are so many good reasons to have an in-person election – cuts down on fraud potential, reinforces the importance of our system of government through shared civic ritual, etc. But the quest to remove disenfranchisement has had a net negative effect.

The one-person-one-vote idea is important enough that citizens should be willing to make some kind of sacrifice to participate in it. To the people who sacrificed so much for our ability to vote, we owe *at least* that much.

Sure, if Granny can’t make her way to the polls or fill out a registration on her own, let’s help her out. But let’s have somebody other than radical political activists do the “helping.”

Is it a coincidence that, during the advent of full-on vote by mail, Oregon has gone from large support for center-right candidates (i.e. Mark Hatfield) to fanatical support for outright leftists (i.e. Ron Wyden) and widespread hatred of center-right candidates (i.e. Gordon Smith)? That may be part of the equation, but it’s also worthy of note that people who have a lot to lose vote differently than people who have nothing to lose and believe that they will never have the means to gain something.

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:34 am 17. Roderick Reilly:

If Hillary supporters are to be believed (and they seem to have a lot of documentation), then Obama has already committed the equivalent of widespread “voter fraud” in those primary states that used the caucus system or the hybrid caucus and ballot system.

Whether Obama actually “stole” the Democratic nomination this way may be debatable, but, considering the virtually even split between Hillary and Obama, it appeares he gained his edge with a lot of help from skulduggery.

I have this uneasy feeling that in an Obama administration, the Federal government will be run much the same way as the Washington, DC “Home Rule” government has been: massive corruption, blatant patronage, staggering waste of taxpayer dollars.

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:56 am 18. Ex-fetus:

“When you are legally obliged to register your place of residence and to carry a state-issued I.D., the state keeps reliable voter lists and the whole fraud-prone registration process is bypassed.”

A theory, and one often proven wrong;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/apr/26/maryland-loses-track-of-state-id-cards/

Maryland has no idea how many bogus ID’s were issued.
I was in the right place at the right time and managed to purchase 3 Navada DL’s for 250 $US, which was less then the market value. They are still good, or at least I think so, I have renewed them twice, and I assume if they tripped a flag in the computer, I would not have been able to renew them. Same with my Florida DL.

There is NO WAY any government can produce an ID that can’t be stolen or forged in some way. All that can be done it make it more expensive to forge. Since that applies to the state also, budget cutters end up spoiling that solution.

So anyone that is counting of some sort of super-duper secure ID is drinking the koolaid.
Of the 192 nations on this planet, at least 180 of them have a department that can produce ANY ID that another nation can produce.

Western civilization is VERY complex. Try charting it some time. It’s almost a miracle that it works as well as it does. Mostly because the people working it, make it work.
Third World regimes are simple. The guys with the guns tell the guys without guns what to do. The guys without guns do it or the guys with guns shoot them. That means you need a lot of guys with guns to make sure the guys without guns do what they are told. So you don’t get a lot of productivity out of them. When you consider that the guys with guns spend as much time thinking about how to move up the food chain as they do watching the guys without guns, you can see the problem.
This is why Western civilization is much wealthier then the third world. That wealth buys superior military power. It only takes a small part of Western Civilization to malfunction and the whole machine grinds to a halt. We have been watching that for the last month and it will get much worse after the Democrats take over.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:06 am 19. MNotaro:

“I hearing on the radio this morning that Time magazine went to Hawaii to verify obama’s birth certificate. they failed. rather than report their results — they reported nothing.”

This doesn’t surprise me at all…our left wing illuminati media is only out to make Obama look good and when he doesn’t look good, they report nothing.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:14 am 20. Demosophist:

Darren and dueler88:

I was once heavily involved in electoral politics in Oregon, and served as a “poll watcher” in a Medford precinct (southern Oregon) for a Democrat candidate. “Poll watching” was just an accepted task if you were on a campaign, and both parties did it. But things seemed to change after the Antelope fiasco where the Rajneeshis basically stole a town by busing in migrants in order to re-encorporate the town as Rajneesh Puram. At that point the Democrat Party (there’s a reason why I don’t call it the Democratic Party) recognized the potential and it wasn’t long before “poll watching” became synonymous with Republican voter suppression and before an effort to broaden the voting base turned into the “motor voter” law. (I can’t recall whether this was a referendum or a legislative measure.)

I think Don Homuth’s insights about the impact of the weather on voter turnout also played a role in moving people toward mail-in ballots, although I think Don was just making an empirical point. He did his Master’s thesis on the concept that if it rains the election will go to the side that has the most effective voter turnout strategy, especially providing transportation to the polls. He was a classmate of mine, and well-known Democrat election consultant.

When you think about it, however, using snail mail as some sort of upgrade to the voting process not only makes fraud more likely, but it can’t be very efficient. It’s way behind the technology curve, for one thing.

There have been some decent recommendations that optimize the voting process using more up-to-date technologies, but nothing will ever be totally fool-proof. Well, even the Almighty says there’s no remedy for folly.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:20 am 21. Eggplant:

Interesting article about the Bradley Effect:

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/lundry_a_different_kind_of_bra.php

One aspect described in the article is the over reporting in polls of blacks falsely claiming to be registered voters. One would expect black people to be very enthusiastic about B. Hussein and proudly insistent that they will vote for him. However come November, will they actually bother to vote? That will be the real factor driving the Bradley Effect.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:45 am 22. Charles:

Polls tightening to near dead even.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/32390424.html

Oct 22, 2008 - 11:12 am 23. Darren:

I don’t doubt there has been a history of voter suppression. It’s absolutely wrong, and I condemn it no matter the practitioner.

That being the case, I am near-nauseated when ACORN people say with a straight face into a camera that turning in false voter registration documents doesn’t represent a problem, and that the real problem is voter suppression. The obviously-fake voter registration cards are simply chaff for the less-obviously fake voter registration cards, and somehow I am sure you’ll see a significant correlation between the number of new voters added to the rolls and the number of requested mail-in ballots. The advantage of batch-filling of mail-in ballots is that all your workers need to do is check one box and sign. The unsophisticated cheats will either check all-party or just the Presidential category, the sophisticated ones will throw in a couple of off-party votes just so there is the impression of consideration.

As far as I am concerned, if we need a new national holiday let’s make it Election Day so nobody has the excuse that they can’t vote because of work. If biometrics can be incorporated into my driver’s license, it can be incorporated into voting. There is always the threat that someone will hack the vote from the inside, and Jennifer Brunner’s actions in Ohio do not give me much in the way of faith that this can’t be done passively as well as actively. When you have to match an iris or a thumbprint to each false voter, then you’re at a higher level of falsification, one that will take more time and effort, and leave a trail. At least, it’s the kind of deception that will cost ACORN more than $8 an hour.

Oct 22, 2008 - 11:25 am 24. Gaffe Prices:

0bamas is going to need every vote they can stuff, because every demographic, across the board is abandoning him in droves, no matter what the national polls say.

But the good news is that Bugs Moran and al Capone and Stroger will all be voting in 0bamas home state for the bagman from Chicago. Its just that the bag will be empty this time, except for a few acorns. People know, Cinncinatti and Clevland papers are connecting voter fraud and acorn, and there won’t be legitimate votes for 0bamas there. One can only stuff just so many fraudulent votes into the box, to counter a landslide of disaffected voters who are onto the fact that the fix is in.

Oct 22, 2008 - 1:35 pm 25. Benj:

As per Wretch on early voting in GA – “Who Knows?” – Hmmm – Most folks who’s been paying attention on the ground (and to the polls) acknowledge that right now O.’s campaign has it all over Mac’s in the enthusisam department. Black voters in the South – N.C. and Georgia in particular – are particularly energized. That’s a less, ah, dark explanation than Wretch prefers but we’ve come to expect dooomy talk here re America’s coming implosion.

Wretchard’s attempt to re-up the ante on bogus stories about vote fraud seems pretty…alien. As usual, I fail to get the immediate relevance for this American election of Tagalog War stories. (BTW – I notice no word here yet re those pub operatives who got indicted yesterday for “slamming” voters into the GOP – was it just me, or did those guys look like Sons of Segretti? – A connection that might be a little more to the point than tales of kidnapping in a kleptocracy?) By the way, for the past week Josh Marshall – upfront liberal but a real journalist nonetheless – has been providing the back-stories for the latest moral panic re ACORN vote fraud. Pubs are re-running the Rovian line pursued in 2004 and 2006 that eventually led to the firing of those DA’s. Marshall has a half-dozen posts explaining (among other things) how scamming Acorn by registering multiple names (or dead/imaginary ones) will have NO consequences on election day since the extras/nadas can’t (by definition) show up to vote. His reporting basically forced CNN to back way off their hyped up reportage on all that (though those original lame stories did get their reporter an audience with Ms. Palin last night!) (BTW – Does anyone have a link to the Pub columnist who got into a lather yesterday about the fact that someone named Duran Duran was registered to vote – until it turned out – as the Movement Con man was forced to admit in a mea culpa on his blog – there was someone with that name in the White Pages.) If you go check the past few days on Marshall’s TPM site you’ll find lotsa dispostive stuff on this front, including one fine post where Marshall explains how all evidence indicates American voters are more likely to be hit by lightening than to commit vote fraud…

I feel like I’m eveasdropping on a family feud here when I hear the arguments between those looking forward to a post-election Civil War (happily or w/ with heavy hearts) and those who aren’t ready to go there so fast. But I’m glad to see voices of reason seem to be winning out (and talking down more bloodyminded – and conspiratorial – Clubbers). It’s been fascinating to see how Wretch plays to both sides. See how he kept it all in the fam in the last thread…

“Part of the problem with fighting the Left is that if you don’t fight hard enough, you are destroyed. [Wretch's first "gambit" - and first impulse - is to cozy up to the extremes. Note the certainty of - "YOU ARE DESTROYED" - No MAYBES - No DOUBT in Wretch's mind - And no doubt that he's cultivating the fears of a lunatic fringe.] But if you fight as hard as they do, there’s the chance you’ll polarize and destroy society. The Left’s uncompromising militancy holds civil society hostage.

The only solution I can think of is to fight militancy itself. That is, to oppose extremism in all of its virulent ideological forms.” [So here's Wretch - one graph on - offering himself as a foe of the very Extremism he just validated.]

what the hey – I believe in negative capability – got to open yourself to other ideas to get anywhere new. Resist the lure of consensus. Consider the Outs – the Margin may be the Center. But. Wretch isn’t going it alone. He’s not thinking – and/or sublating – double truths. He’s flat-out contradicting himself. He leaves it to his readers to pick which Wretch they prefer. It’s a specious style of…word-play. (Can’t call it intellection because scheming/pandering isn’t thinking.) It occurs to me there is something new, though, about the intellectual fraud he’s perping. Wretch’s schitck during the Campaign has been based on its echoes – he requires an audience, a Club!, to enable his cleverness. Without ya’ll he can’t get credit for his irreconcilables. But you folks should really start holding him accountable for his own contradictions, his own failures to make a consecutive argument.

I’ll cut and paste a recent shortie from Marshal about the DOJ/Vote Fraud stuff…there’s a lot more there at TPM (if you dare)…

Remember the US Attorneys
It’s time again to remember the backstory of the US Attorney Firing scandal. The firings were one thing. But the story behind the firings, what led to them, is key to understanding the current ‘vote fraud’ scam being played by the Republicans and the media outlets that are going along with the scam.

Remember, the US Attorneys in question were all either Republicans or Republican-leaning independents. In every case, they were appointed by George W. Bush. In most of the cases their firing was tied to ‘vote fraud’ claims stemming from the 2004 election.

The pattern was very consistent. During the final weeks of the 2004 campaign Republican partisans started pressing claims of widespread voter fraud. In many, though not all cases, the examples they pointed to were not even allegations of voter fraud, but allegations of voter registration fraud: examples of people being registered more than once, non-existent people being registered, etc.

The Republicans making these claims argued that these problems with registration cards were opening the coming election up to widespread vote fraud. Logically, this makes no sense. And, more importantly, all evidence shows this has never happened, certainly not in any widespread sense. Every person who claims otherwise is either ignorant or speaking in bad faith.

Nonetheless, CNN and other national news outlets and especially local media outlets, either out of ignorance or bad faith, ran hard with these stories — just as CNN is doing now.

After the election, there was a lot of pressure from Republicans in states like Nevada, Washington, New Mexico, etc. (not surprisingly, all key swing states) to have local US Attorneys prosecute these cases. The word came down from Washington, DC, particularly the political office at the White House that this was a top priority. And the local US Attorneys launched into it.

But there was a problem. Most of these were ethical prosecutors. And when they looked into it there just wasn’t anything there. Most of the stories weren’t even true. And those that were, were obviously isolated and in most cases not done with malice. The number of people who could actually be prosecuted could be counted on one hand. Local Republicans got angry; Karl Rove got angry. And the US Attorneys got fired.

That’s the real story of the US Attorney firing scandal. And what we’re seeing today is textbook — exactly the same as what we saw in 2004 and 2006. It’s a scam. And the very recent history should be enough for news networks like CNN and others not to let themselves become complicit in this disgrace.

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:28 pm 26. Doug:

Right, benj Alinsky-Cloward-Piven tactics don’t work, that’s why they’ve been used since 1982 by Project Vote and Human SERVE, and ACORN ever since.
As if ACORN did not bring us Motor Voter and the Fraud opportunities there, and the original fart-in didn’t work against Kodak.
They just spend all that time, effort, and money for the fun of it.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:31 pm 27. Doug:

“All three of these organizations — ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE — set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with “dead wood” — invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people — thus opening the door to the unprecedented levels of voter fraud and “voter disenfranchisement” claims that followed in subsequent elections.

The new “voting rights” coalition combines mass voter registration drives — typically featuring high levels of fraud — with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of “racism” and “disenfranchisement,” and “direct action” (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America’s welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation’s understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.

Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros’s Open Society Institute and his “Shadow Party,” through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left’s most ambitious campaigns.“

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:35 pm 28. Doug:

» The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:37 pm 29. OldSalt:

Everything the Democrats have done since 2000 (and really, as far back as 1994), is to ensure that they will absolutely, positively, NEVER lose a close election again. I told my wife in the late 90’s, that once the Dem’s held all three branches of government, they would change laws so that they would never be successfully challenged for power. Imagine what would have happened in 2000 if the Democrat appointee Florida judges had been elevated to the Supreme Court. The “Equal Protection” clause of the Constitution would have been rendered meaningless as Al Gore took office based on the fraudulent votes from a half dozen, Democrat controlled precincts. If you recall, Honest Al was not simply demanding that “every vote be counted”, we was demanding that they be counted in some precincts, and NOT counted in any others that might negatively impact his candidacy. Al made a bold-faced effort at stealing an election in front of cameras and in broad daylight. A Democrat lawyer challenged EVERY SINGLE absentee ballot received from a deployed serviceman/woman.

And save for 7 votes on the USSC, this process would have been the law of the land.

I don’t suspect that Obama and the Democrat machine will attempt to steal this election. I know it, and the effort is certainly in progress now with absentee voting. Absentee voting has traditionally leaned Republican (I don’t recall the numbers, but believe they were something link 70% of absentee ballots cast). If that ratio flips, what’s the statistical probability that it occurred as a result of “voter registration efforts”, and not out-right fraud.

If out vote no longer counts, then what? If America can no longer have a peaceful, honest election, what’s left to settle disputes? Dueling at dawn? Either the Democrats have not fully thought out the long term consequences of their current course, or it’s some Marxist/Lenist version of American’s future.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:56 pm 30. buddy larsen:

Old salt, I wonder the same thing, have these people not thought through this thing they’re doing? Much head-scratching later, the only conclusion i can draw is that of the three possible outcomes –they win, they lose, the nation’s core institution shatters –two of ‘em are just fine, and two outta three ain’t bad odds.

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:01 pm 31. buddy larsen:

Good site for women, democrats, Clintonistas against Obama. Scroll down the “blogbox” feature –there’s some wit amongst the apostates & heretics.

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:16 pm 32. Dave:

Buddy, Old Salt: The Democrats right now remind me of the Japanese of 1940 and 41.

They all hated the US and were determined to attack same. Had a very clever scheme to do a sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, but afterwards
there was no coherence whatsoever. (See Paul Johnson on this subject.)

Same thing with the Ds right now. They are focused on an Obama victory and afterwards they splinter into factions each of which wants to nurture its pet schemes and will pursue those ends to the attempted exclusion of everything else.

In the event of that Obama victory, it will be up to us to accurately analyze their capabilities and monkey wrench everything we can. We shall prevail.

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:04 pm 33. Benj:

@ As Per Dave “Buddy, Old Salt: The Democrats right now remind me of the Japanese of 1940 and 41…”

Thougt was the one who provided a target-rich environment but Dave you got me coming and going… Though you can’t top mad Ken who equates O with Pol Pot! Still – Obama as Nip is a newbie. Try it on Sarah – She might go for it!

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:15 pm 34. NahnCee:

WHen I lived in Oregon, I voted by mail because I got tired of the parental units who brought their young and screaming children with them to the polling places and then ignored said spawn as they raced around carooming into walls, slamming doors, and shrieking their little pink lungs out. Upon complaining, the precinct people said there was nothing they could do. Evidently there’s some sort of Constitutional right that guarantees children the right to be loudly obnoxious while people are trying to concentrate on voting.

Upon moving to Los Angeles I discovered that the people in charge of setting up polls evidently never actually go to *see* where the polling stations are, because frequently they are “community centers” in neighborhoods where that means unemployed Mexicans congregate. I’m anxious to vote but not if it means I’ll get bopped over the head on the way in or my car may not still be there when I come out.

So I do absentee ballots and think they’re a pretty good idea, although I do see all the distinct possibilities of abuse.

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:50 pm 35. Dave:

Yeah Benj, Sarah probably would. She has probably read Paul Johnson.

Speaking of him you manage to remind me of his description of Bertrand Russel:

“A Case of Logical Fiddlesticks.”

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:54 pm 36. buddy larsen:

Benj, as an AA fella who is presumably sensitive to race epithets, doesn’t using “nip” give you a little hitch in your git-along?

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:14 pm 37. Dave:

Now Buddy, don’t try to exploit the chink in Benj’s armor. Why don’t you be a good little redneck and dance a jig for us?

I am sure that Wretchard will go gugu over your performance. But don’t carry things too far. At the risk of looking down my long nose
I must remind you that the slippery slope
can be found here as well as in Asia.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:24 pm 38. Leo Linbeck III:

Slightly OT, although it also has to do with the perversion of the electoral system (h/t Instapundit):

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/21/obamas_175000_donor.html

A woman’s name was used to donate $175,000 to the Obama campaign. Her credit card was never charged.

What that tells me is that Obama is not using credit card verification techniques when collecting on-line donations. I recently ran a test myself, and I can verify that it is not necessary for the information you fill out on the Obama campaign donation form to match the name and address information on the credit card.

The scope of potential financial fraud that this flaw in Obama’s internet credit card system allows is extraordinary. I could donate $1,000,000 on my credit card in <$200 increments by simply filling out different names on each donation. This can probably be automated as well.

I will reiterate what I wrote yesterday: I am skeptical that Obama could raise $150M in one month through legitimate small donations. He also says he’s raised $259M in total from small donors (<=$200). Admittedly, it could be that he’s cracked the code on small donations. But the engineer in me is skeptical.

This matters because the biggest electoral advantage Obama has is money, not ACORN. He is able to outspend McCain 10:1 in key areas.

As W said in an earlier post: follow the money.

L3

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:28 pm 39. buddy larsen:

dave –point taken –i can’t preach anti-thin-skinnedness while simultaneously using it to swat somebody –i’d be a hippo-krit (have give up trying to spell it –it’s my word bete-noir).

L3 –but Obama campaign wouldn’t be the lawbreaker –the donor(s) are the lawbreakers –pretty devilish little technicality, esp as you say the money gap being the crux of the campaign.

Oct 22, 2008 - 11:14 pm 40. ledger:

For brevity Wrechard should delet ledger’s post #3 because it is a duplicate. And, Wretchard can delete this post.

ledger

Oct 23, 2008 - 5:54 am 41. Wadeusaf:

Benj,

In the state of Washington there absolutely was voter fraud, the process of challenging that fraud was stymied by a process dominated by Dem pols, including the Washington Supreme. After nearly a year in court, and a Governor Elect operating de facto, the rep candidate determined it would not have been fair to continue the challenge–even though the law and the evidence were on the complainants side.

Frankly I think that decision was wrong. Motor voter is not necessarily a bad idea. Poorly designed and executed accountability is. Same same for visa applications and employment of aliens not eligible to work legally in country. It is a matter of border control, and visa management. It is a matter of accountability that I can only assume some cartel member$ benefit greatly from, because I am at a loss to determine how any Dem or Pub could benefit long or short term (as the cons outweigh the pros), but that only goe$ to $how how much I know–KI$$, come$ to mind.

On the first (plus twelve) I got the package. That was very generous of you, thanks.

Oct 23, 2008 - 6:25 am 42. Nine-of-Diamonds:

“I feel like I’m eveasdropping on a family feud here when I hear the arguments between those looking forward to a post-election Civil War (happily or w/ with heavy hearts) and those who aren’t ready to go there so fast. But I’m glad to see voices of reason seem to be winning out (and talking down more bloodyminded – and conspiratorial – Clubbers).”

I already posted several weeks ago about Lefties who have the very same apocalyptic fantasies. That didn’t conform with your Manichean views, so you ignored it. Look at the post about 0bama’s Weather Underground handlers fantasizing about reeducation camps before preaching to us about bloody-mindedness, you fool.

And your “struck by lightning” analogy is deliberate misdirection. Of course not many people as a percentage of the population commit voter fraud. The problem is that those who DO commit fraud generally cast dozens of faulty ballots and make thousands of fake registrations. Now that we have a 24-hr news cycle, manipulating registration figures is itself something that takes on political significance. You obviously know this but don’t care.

They just caught someone in Washington state who was responsible for 2K phony registrations, even as you come here and lie about it not being a problem. For the last time – if you are going to lie, at least take the trouble to make the lie creative or plausible. We deserve better than your 3rd rate psy-ops stuff.

“Benj, as an AA fella who is presumably sensitive to race epithets, doesn’t using “nip” give you a little hitch in your git-along?”

[SIGH] – since when has he ever cared about consistency?

Oct 23, 2008 - 9:43 am 43. buddy larsen:

nine of diamonds, he’s just doing his job –part of the campaign –i don’t even get mad at the various rhetorical/debate tactics –it’s like the split-screen talking heads on tv, they take turns slinging talking points at each other without ever expecting an answer or rebuttal.

Oct 23, 2008 - 1:53 pm 44. Ken Nelson » Blog Archive » Bad Idea: Abstract thinkers + Political Power:

[...] Belmont Club covers the documentary “No Place to Hide” where Larry Grathwohl, undercover FBI agent, describes what Bill Ayer’s Weather Underground planned to do after the revolution: The Weathermen’s plans included putting parts of United States under the administration of Cuba, North Vietnam, China and Russia and re-educating the uncooperative in camps in located in the Southwest. Since there would be holdouts, plans were made for liquidating the estimated 25 million unreconstructable die-hards. [...]

Oct 23, 2008 - 4:37 pm 45. aconservativeteacher:

On my blog I’ve also posted ancedotal evidence of voter fraud, as former students contact me to tell me stories of ACORN encouraging people to register multiple times, knowingly encouraging voter fraud. And they were wearing Vote Obama buttons.

Oct 24, 2008 - 6:58 am 46. Gaffe Prices:

I gotta wonder how much the taint of voter fraud on Democrat Brand will amount to a perfect storm if enough voters make a pariah of them over this, the lending cover up in House of Reps, and “wealth distribution, not to mention Bidens musings about the “first six months”.

Voters aren’t mad at “Wall Street”. They own 401 K’s and in the past week the House has looted them all into the Social Security trust fund “Lockbox”. Voters are investors in the economy, and they remember the years that went by while Franklin Ranes re-wrote and fudged the paperwork to give himself a nice bonus, while Meeks, Clay, Waters, Frank all ran interference in House committees, for the past two years.

Investors already own the means of production in their 401 K’s, and the cover up has made the whole thing so personal. It seems Democrat party’s resentment at those getting a return on their investment is demogogued as “Wall Street greed”.

When voters ask how they are going to pay more in taxes from money they lost in value due to a cover up, they see that it won’t ad up: Gummit Revenue increases when taxes are lowered, and as the economy grows, employments increase, and the value of their portfolios goes up proportionately.

To have it all undermined by bribed eunuchs in Democrat congressional majority is not going to sit well with them as we have all learned that critics or criticism of first, an Acorn, then [a] government policy forcing banks to lower applications standards was met with the same back-dated charge of “racism” that has shouted down criticism of Ubamas.

Not a pretty picture. The stuff of Halloween nightmares for the Brand of looters, grave robbers, and eugenicists, that make up Democrat party. Peasant dreams!

Oct 24, 2008 - 9:41 pm 47. Expressions:

Voter fraud is out of control here in the United States. Then you have the liberal illuminati politicians who associate and represent the fraud organizations. Can you see now why it’s being accepted?

Oct 25, 2008 - 11:42 am 48. Fingers Crossed…He’s a flip-flopping liar:

[...]  Belmont Club covers Obama buyers remorse.: The time-lag factor affects everything. Much of Obama’s foreign policy toward Iraq was formed when it was widely perceived as a disaster and Afghanistan was seen as the ‘winnable’ war, and we are now in a situation where the two theaters may have changed places [...]

Nov 11, 2008 - 11:24 pm 49. Let the DoJ do it:

[...] Belmont Club reports that Obama’s massive campaign fraud may not be challenged by the FEC. Maybe that is true. But laws were broken, by many people. It would be a fitting end if  the Bush Adminstration Department of Justice investigated all of them.  Wouldn’t it also be nice if all of Obama’s campaign staff had to defend hire expensive lawyers?  How deliciously Scooter Libby. Redeem yourself W… fight fire with fire! [...]

Nov 12, 2008 - 9:59 am 50. The taxman cometh the stimulus leaveth:

[...] the Belmont Club today I saw a post that reminded me of yesterday’s big news about the governor of New York’s [...]

Dec 19, 2008 - 2:12 pm 51. I see nothing improving:

[...] Belmont Club reports that the Federal Open Market Committee met in December to sort out that things are going to get worse and then better. Their method… sophisticated wild assed guessing.  Well I can do that! [...]

Jan 7, 2009 - 9:40 am 52. Unwise and unworthy passions of their sons:

[...] H/T/ Belmont Club [...]

Feb 13, 2009 - 11:38 am 53. The Stakes in the War against Islamic Jihadism:

[...] in 2003, on Belmont Club, in a thought exercise on “what happens if Islamic jihadists get nukes”, I read these words: [...]

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