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		<title>By: Ms. Know</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/good-enough-for-government-work/comment-page-1/#comment-22174</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left-wing illuminati had direct ties to the fraud organization ACORN and no one cared, so they&#039;re not going to care about Minn. either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left-wing illuminati had direct ties to the fraud organization ACORN and no one cared, so they&#8217;re not going to care about Minn. either.</p>
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		<title>By: OldSalt</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/good-enough-for-government-work/comment-page-1/#comment-21416</link>
		<dc:creator>OldSalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Systematic fraud by Dems will only beget even greater systematic fraud by Republicans. - Whiskey&lt;/i&gt;

Excuse me?  Which?  Where?  When?

It&#039;s taken as an axiom of truth by Democrats that all Republicans are corrupt.  Concepts like evidence and truth doesn&#039;t bother them much.  They blamed Delay in Texas for corrupting an electoral system that was already corrupted, i.e. by Democrats, to the point where something like 45% of the Democrat vote controlled about 55% of the Texas legislative and Federal Congressional seats in Texas.

I have a real problem with people, usually the main stream Democrat-owned news media (MSDM), who will acknowledge a Democrat sin only when it&#039;s is all but undeniable, but then immediately try to trivialize it by saying &quot;...but they all do it, I mean, look at what those Republicans do!&quot;.   I watched (via news reports) a sitting Vice President and Presidential candidate attempt to steal a Presidential election in broad daylight in 2000.  I watched the media and Democrats defend the indefensible.  I saw every single military absentee ballot challenged by a Democrat lawyer, and that most were thrown out or failed to make it to the ballot box for counting in Democrat counties.   I&#039;ve seen Democrats trying to twist and remold election results in ways that have nothing to do with &quot;voter education&quot; or &quot;get out the vote&quot;.  I don&#039;t know what you know about Republican efforts at voter fraud, but I don&#039;t think it happens.   If and when it does, no Republican will support it, or the politician.

Gerrymandering was the first corruption of the nation&#039;s elections, with the idea that the politicians could slice and dice precincts to maximize congressional seats (and therefore political power and patronage) for one party over the other, regardless of how the body politic actually voted.  I&#039;m actually surprised that California passed proposition 11, but it was close, and there are lots of way for the rulers-that-be to defeat a trivial thing like law or the will of the people. (Example: California&#039;s Constitution forbids running a deficit, and California&#039;s been running a deficit for about 10 years now.)

The issue of integrity of the ballot is vitally important, that and the Constitution that supposedly governs us.  Without that, there will ultimately be bullets flying.  Maybe not today, but &quot;disenfranchisement&quot; will ultimately result in in some sort of civil war.  One must follow the other.  (And, as long as Americans DO have an effective right to vote and the Constitutional rule of law, rebellion could never be justified.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Systematic fraud by Dems will only beget even greater systematic fraud by Republicans. &#8211; Whiskey</i></p>
<p>Excuse me?  Which?  Where?  When?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s taken as an axiom of truth by Democrats that all Republicans are corrupt.  Concepts like evidence and truth doesn&#8217;t bother them much.  They blamed Delay in Texas for corrupting an electoral system that was already corrupted, i.e. by Democrats, to the point where something like 45% of the Democrat vote controlled about 55% of the Texas legislative and Federal Congressional seats in Texas.</p>
<p>I have a real problem with people, usually the main stream Democrat-owned news media (MSDM), who will acknowledge a Democrat sin only when it&#8217;s is all but undeniable, but then immediately try to trivialize it by saying &#8220;&#8230;but they all do it, I mean, look at what those Republicans do!&#8221;.   I watched (via news reports) a sitting Vice President and Presidential candidate attempt to steal a Presidential election in broad daylight in 2000.  I watched the media and Democrats defend the indefensible.  I saw every single military absentee ballot challenged by a Democrat lawyer, and that most were thrown out or failed to make it to the ballot box for counting in Democrat counties.   I&#8217;ve seen Democrats trying to twist and remold election results in ways that have nothing to do with &#8220;voter education&#8221; or &#8220;get out the vote&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know what you know about Republican efforts at voter fraud, but I don&#8217;t think it happens.   If and when it does, no Republican will support it, or the politician.</p>
<p>Gerrymandering was the first corruption of the nation&#8217;s elections, with the idea that the politicians could slice and dice precincts to maximize congressional seats (and therefore political power and patronage) for one party over the other, regardless of how the body politic actually voted.  I&#8217;m actually surprised that California passed proposition 11, but it was close, and there are lots of way for the rulers-that-be to defeat a trivial thing like law or the will of the people. (Example: California&#8217;s Constitution forbids running a deficit, and California&#8217;s been running a deficit for about 10 years now.)</p>
<p>The issue of integrity of the ballot is vitally important, that and the Constitution that supposedly governs us.  Without that, there will ultimately be bullets flying.  Maybe not today, but &#8220;disenfranchisement&#8221; will ultimately result in in some sort of civil war.  One must follow the other.  (And, as long as Americans DO have an effective right to vote and the Constitutional rule of law, rebellion could never be justified.)</p>
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		<title>By: steveaz</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/good-enough-for-government-work/comment-page-1/#comment-21359</link>
		<dc:creator>steveaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is easy to scoff at voter-fraud.  Few of us ever directly feel the pinch of it.  It is like medicare fraud in that respect...

Seems, if we aren&#039;t piqued too bluntly by a phlebotomist&#039;s capillary, we can be bled slowly without noticing. 

The vampire bats of central America learned this a long time ago.  So did the Masai peoples of Africa.

Makes one wonder if America isn&#039;t under a concerted attack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is easy to scoff at voter-fraud.  Few of us ever directly feel the pinch of it.  It is like medicare fraud in that respect&#8230;</p>
<p>Seems, if we aren&#8217;t piqued too bluntly by a phlebotomist&#8217;s capillary, we can be bled slowly without noticing. </p>
<p>The vampire bats of central America learned this a long time ago.  So did the Masai peoples of Africa.</p>
<p>Makes one wonder if America isn&#8217;t under a concerted attack?</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is very much the case were \where\ challenges as to the appearance&lt;/i&gt; as in the placement on the ballot of the candidates name or the spelling of same or even the manner in which the instructions for each line obscures which line said instructions refer to. As the Secretary of State for each of the 50 states is in charge of the ballots, unless the state authorizes the local government intities to design or alter the look of the ballots or even the mechanisms for counting the ballots, and as SoS the only real function is in certifying the result was delivered at a certain time in a certain manner in with certain safe guards in place all of which have no effect on the count or accuracy of the actual result.

I hope I have expressed that in a clear fashion. And I apologize for the typos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is very much the case were \where\ challenges as to the appearance</i> as in the placement on the ballot of the candidates name or the spelling of same or even the manner in which the instructions for each line obscures which line said instructions refer to. As the Secretary of State for each of the 50 states is in charge of the ballots, unless the state authorizes the local government intities to design or alter the look of the ballots or even the mechanisms for counting the ballots, and as SoS the only real function is in certifying the result was delivered at a certain time in a certain manner in with certain safe guards in place all of which have no effect on the count or accuracy of the actual result.</p>
<p>I hope I have expressed that in a clear fashion. And I apologize for the typos.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most accounts of GOP instigated voter fraud has of late been seen as attempts to suppress voter turnout. Having control of the weather of course means that GOP directed snow and rain and hail storms have keep many registered voters indoors and away from the ballot box. But not the GOPer&#039;s whose sense of civic duty requires them to overcome even the worst of miami heat to make it to the poling place of record. 

That is why motor voter is so important to the Dems, it is a matter not of record but of convenience. Other examples of voter suppression include but are not limited to attempts to ensure the registered voter is the same as the person who shows up to vote, via photo id or verifying signatures and demanding that voters registered in a certain location use that polling place and that polling place only to cast their ballot, as well as the time frame for which the vote needs to be cast. Allotting the allowable polling places can be seen as a means of demographically suppressing the vote.

 Other forms of voter suppression (formerly associated with the Democrat party) include the pole tax and literacy tests. It should not be surprising that like the current testing done in order to determine graduate-ability for high schools, the tests can be skewed to support an increase in salaries for a job well done one week to a desperate cry for assistance for a hopeless challenge the next. Motor voter and the vote by mail movement has eliminated all of the aforementioned attempts to suppress voting. The only real vote suppression currently on going is the suppression of ballots of US Military members overseas, as in the grand tradition of Albert Gore in 2000, and others enforcing technicalities which would eliminate the votes of our fighting men and women because the ballots cannot physically arrive be filled out and then returned to the precinct of record in time for the election especially if the ballots are not sent out until four or in some cases two weeks prior to the close of the elections. This is very much the case were challenges as to the appearance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most accounts of GOP instigated voter fraud has of late been seen as attempts to suppress voter turnout. Having control of the weather of course means that GOP directed snow and rain and hail storms have keep many registered voters indoors and away from the ballot box. But not the GOPer&#8217;s whose sense of civic duty requires them to overcome even the worst of miami heat to make it to the poling place of record. </p>
<p>That is why motor voter is so important to the Dems, it is a matter not of record but of convenience. Other examples of voter suppression include but are not limited to attempts to ensure the registered voter is the same as the person who shows up to vote, via photo id or verifying signatures and demanding that voters registered in a certain location use that polling place and that polling place only to cast their ballot, as well as the time frame for which the vote needs to be cast. Allotting the allowable polling places can be seen as a means of demographically suppressing the vote.</p>
<p> Other forms of voter suppression (formerly associated with the Democrat party) include the pole tax and literacy tests. It should not be surprising that like the current testing done in order to determine graduate-ability for high schools, the tests can be skewed to support an increase in salaries for a job well done one week to a desperate cry for assistance for a hopeless challenge the next. Motor voter and the vote by mail movement has eliminated all of the aforementioned attempts to suppress voting. The only real vote suppression currently on going is the suppression of ballots of US Military members overseas, as in the grand tradition of Albert Gore in 2000, and others enforcing technicalities which would eliminate the votes of our fighting men and women because the ballots cannot physically arrive be filled out and then returned to the precinct of record in time for the election especially if the ballots are not sent out until four or in some cases two weeks prior to the close of the elections. This is very much the case were challenges as to the appearance.</p>
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		<title>By: Utopia Parkway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utopia Parkway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think that voter fraud is mostly self-limiting.  If there&#039;s too much of it in one place then everyone will know.  If there&#039;s not very much of it then it won&#039;t be a factor in national elections.  Where is that line?  I don&#039;t know.  

I do believe that all election boards in the country are manned by members of both parties so the fraud can&#039;t be to obvious or someone will catch on.

It might have a bigger effect on local elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that voter fraud is mostly self-limiting.  If there&#8217;s too much of it in one place then everyone will know.  If there&#8217;s not very much of it then it won&#8217;t be a factor in national elections.  Where is that line?  I don&#8217;t know.  </p>
<p>I do believe that all election boards in the country are manned by members of both parties so the fraud can&#8217;t be to obvious or someone will catch on.</p>
<p>It might have a bigger effect on local elections.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the Dem&#039;s are convinced that the Florida results in Bush&#039;s favor was &quot;voter fraud&quot;.  Something about that Iatherine Harris dame (who was a painted Republican) personally gluing back on all the hanging chads that should have gone for Kerry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Dem&#8217;s are convinced that the Florida results in Bush&#8217;s favor was &#8220;voter fraud&#8221;.  Something about that Iatherine Harris dame (who was a painted Republican) personally gluing back on all the hanging chads that should have gone for Kerry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ammo Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ammo Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just out of curiosity, can anyone cite examples of &quot;Republican voter fraud?&quot;  It seems that only takes place when Republicans try to purge voter registration lists of fraudulent names and dead people...but I could be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, can anyone cite examples of &#8220;Republican voter fraud?&#8221;  It seems that only takes place when Republicans try to purge voter registration lists of fraudulent names and dead people&#8230;but I could be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul Ortega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also notice how this is happening, as in &#039;004, in a state the has prided itself on &quot;clean, open government&quot;. Who needs the Chicago Way or Philadelphia 110% turnout when the good-government types will look the other way no matter what you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also notice how this is happening, as in &#8216;004, in a state the has prided itself on &#8220;clean, open government&#8221;. Who needs the Chicago Way or Philadelphia 110% turnout when the good-government types will look the other way no matter what you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul Ortega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems are just following the playbook the used to steal the governorship of the Upper Left Washington from Rossi in &#039;004. Keep finding votes and keep finding mistakes that despite statistical randomness, always favors one candidate. Recount multiple times if necessary, then stop counting as soon as the Dem gets dragged over the 50%+1 mark.

Why is anyone surprised that after that success they wouldn&#039;t employ it in another close race?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems are just following the playbook the used to steal the governorship of the Upper Left Washington from Rossi in &#8216;004. Keep finding votes and keep finding mistakes that despite statistical randomness, always favors one candidate. Recount multiple times if necessary, then stop counting as soon as the Dem gets dragged over the 50%+1 mark.</p>
<p>Why is anyone surprised that after that success they wouldn&#8217;t employ it in another close race?</p>
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