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		<title>By: Ms. Know</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/worth/comment-page-1/#comment-22180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the left-wing illuminati here in the US wants to mess up our free trade, and he and his team of liberals will do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the left-wing illuminati here in the US wants to mess up our free trade, and he and his team of liberals will do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/worth/comment-page-1/#comment-21532</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Aaron about the goal to dominate.
Steeple, The mathematical models used to price derivatives will be used to price the carbon permits. The models are based on wrong assumptions about the stochastics. These models failed in the credit crisis and will fail more spectacularly in the permits market since the spikes in electricity demand are driven by weather and equipment outages.
 The developing countries will ignore Kyoto. We will become impoverished by this scheme. Our strained economy can not handle the conversions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Aaron about the goal to dominate.<br />
Steeple, The mathematical models used to price derivatives will be used to price the carbon permits. The models are based on wrong assumptions about the stochastics. These models failed in the credit crisis and will fail more spectacularly in the permits market since the spikes in electricity demand are driven by weather and equipment outages.<br />
 The developing countries will ignore Kyoto. We will become impoverished by this scheme. Our strained economy can not handle the conversions.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/08/worth/comment-page-1/#comment-21512</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a biochemist I&#039;m appalled at the success of the AGW scheme. It&#039;s success is entirely dependent upon ignorance of our world and the life in it.

In elementary school i remember learning about the carbon cycle. Now they don&#039;t teach it, but show video&#039;s such as Al Gore&#039;s instead. Also in grade school I learned about photosynthesis. In college and grad school I learned even more of the details. But these are all ignored in the propaganda.

I had an aquaintance at a party raging about &quot;all these people destroying the world&quot; and cursing and screaming about it. I asked her what trees were made of. She didn&#039;t know, but she guessed, &quot;dirt&quot;? I told her they were made out of carbon dioxide, which is converted to sugars, which are then used to build polymers, such as lignin and cellulose. Then I was the one cursed.

If CO2 were a real problem (I doubt it is...) then the solutions are obvious. 1) plant trees 2) kill people.

Unfortunately I think we&#039;ll see more of #2 tried to remedy this issue. I&#039;ve already seen reports from China on emission reductions achieved by executing prisoners.

I&#039;ve been exposed to enough thermodynamics to understand that heat comes from some where. In this case the sun is the source of our warmth. Lots of people can&#039;t fathom this idea and are mislead into believing that CO2 causes heating.

But why so much effort to promote dis-/mis-information? 
Wretchard hit it on the head: MONEY.

I believe that it is an attempt, and not a clumsy one,  to prevent the emergence of new resources and industries. Unless, they can afford the buy in...

This type of regulation will prevent severing natural resources, since most refining and processing requires heat/fire/fuel. This will prevent poor people and developing nations from harvesting their own resources, which can of course then be had by those who can afford the buy in.

This will prevent industrialization and development of the 2nd and 3rd world. With the spoils divided by the 1st.

It will also prevent people from heating their own homes, clearing their land, etc.

In my opinion the AGW scare is all about dominion, domination, subjugation, and a new twist to the age old practice of conquest.

But when I talk to the true believers, i try to convince them that option #1 is a better idea than option #2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a biochemist I&#8217;m appalled at the success of the AGW scheme. It&#8217;s success is entirely dependent upon ignorance of our world and the life in it.</p>
<p>In elementary school i remember learning about the carbon cycle. Now they don&#8217;t teach it, but show video&#8217;s such as Al Gore&#8217;s instead. Also in grade school I learned about photosynthesis. In college and grad school I learned even more of the details. But these are all ignored in the propaganda.</p>
<p>I had an aquaintance at a party raging about &#8220;all these people destroying the world&#8221; and cursing and screaming about it. I asked her what trees were made of. She didn&#8217;t know, but she guessed, &#8220;dirt&#8221;? I told her they were made out of carbon dioxide, which is converted to sugars, which are then used to build polymers, such as lignin and cellulose. Then I was the one cursed.</p>
<p>If CO2 were a real problem (I doubt it is&#8230;) then the solutions are obvious. 1) plant trees 2) kill people.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I think we&#8217;ll see more of #2 tried to remedy this issue. I&#8217;ve already seen reports from China on emission reductions achieved by executing prisoners.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been exposed to enough thermodynamics to understand that heat comes from some where. In this case the sun is the source of our warmth. Lots of people can&#8217;t fathom this idea and are mislead into believing that CO2 causes heating.</p>
<p>But why so much effort to promote dis-/mis-information?<br />
Wretchard hit it on the head: MONEY.</p>
<p>I believe that it is an attempt, and not a clumsy one,  to prevent the emergence of new resources and industries. Unless, they can afford the buy in&#8230;</p>
<p>This type of regulation will prevent severing natural resources, since most refining and processing requires heat/fire/fuel. This will prevent poor people and developing nations from harvesting their own resources, which can of course then be had by those who can afford the buy in.</p>
<p>This will prevent industrialization and development of the 2nd and 3rd world. With the spoils divided by the 1st.</p>
<p>It will also prevent people from heating their own homes, clearing their land, etc.</p>
<p>In my opinion the AGW scare is all about dominion, domination, subjugation, and a new twist to the age old practice of conquest.</p>
<p>But when I talk to the true believers, i try to convince them that option #1 is a better idea than option #2.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress will use this as another source of income, just as they did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

With the same results for taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress will use this as another source of income, just as they did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.</p>
<p>With the same results for taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Unsk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unsk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3case-

I don&#039;t have the articles to reference, ( I think from Astute Bloggers) but:

A I believe scientists have determined the tropical  rain forest grew much faster since 2000  as a result of the increased levels of  CO2.

B. Similarly, some scientists believe  one of the reasons dinosaurs were so big is that because CO2 levels were then were several times today&#039;s levels, and that as a consequence vegetation on earth was much taller and plentiful.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t have the articles to reference, ( I think from Astute Bloggers) but:</p>
<p>A I believe scientists have determined the tropical  rain forest grew much faster since 2000  as a result of the increased levels of  CO2.</p>
<p>B. Similarly, some scientists believe  one of the reasons dinosaurs were so big is that because CO2 levels were then were several times today&#8217;s levels, and that as a consequence vegetation on earth was much taller and plentiful.</p>
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		<title>By: lc</title>
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		<dc:creator>lc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will probably come up with something like Roosevelt&#039;s Tennessee Valley Authority to help strangle, compete against (on a totally distorted playing field) and then replace coal-based (others too???) power generators.  O and N(ancy P) are, after all, out to save the world.

I wonder....if I held my dog&#039;s head under water long enough, will she grow gills?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will probably come up with something like Roosevelt&#8217;s Tennessee Valley Authority to help strangle, compete against (on a totally distorted playing field) and then replace coal-based (others too???) power generators.  O and N(ancy P) are, after all, out to save the world.</p>
<p>I wonder&#8230;.if I held my dog&#8217;s head under water long enough, will she grow gills?</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hdgreen:  “This is like sending a good $25,000 car to the crusher (forgoing the resale value) to be replaced by a bad $50,000 car that is still on the drawing boards, can’t yet be manufactured and will end up costing 75,000.”

You ever hear of the Space Shuttle Program?  You have just described it, except subtract 3 zeros from the end of the number for the promised cost of the Bad Car and add 4 zeroes to the end of the final price of the Bad Car.

Does this happen?  Oh, yes, if the Federal Government is involved it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hdgreen:  “This is like sending a good $25,000 car to the crusher (forgoing the resale value) to be replaced by a bad $50,000 car that is still on the drawing boards, can’t yet be manufactured and will end up costing 75,000.”</p>
<p>You ever hear of the Space Shuttle Program?  You have just described it, except subtract 3 zeros from the end of the number for the promised cost of the Bad Car and add 4 zeroes to the end of the final price of the Bad Car.</p>
<p>Does this happen?  Oh, yes, if the Federal Government is involved it does.</p>
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		<title>By: slade</title>
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		<dc:creator>slade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“You don’t make enough money for that to make a difference.”&lt;/i&gt; - boghie wheel (35)

There comes a point in every relationship when the IQ (Interest Quotient) must be balanced by the other IQ.  I can&#039;t begin to relate the number of stories from average-income people - including my family in a northern climate living on fixed income that was recently cut by a third in Oct before they sold out of their Apple Pie conservative holdings, and likely more when the pension bankruptcy sets in - who got notice that their heating bills would double this winter.  

I predict an early stand-off between Obama&#039;s working class platform and the Greens.  Detroit is just the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“You don’t make enough money for that to make a difference.”</i> &#8211; boghie wheel (35)</p>
<p>There comes a point in every relationship when the IQ (Interest Quotient) must be balanced by the other IQ.  I can&#8217;t begin to relate the number of stories from average-income people &#8211; including my family in a northern climate living on fixed income that was recently cut by a third in Oct before they sold out of their Apple Pie conservative holdings, and likely more when the pension bankruptcy sets in &#8211; who got notice that their heating bills would double this winter.  </p>
<p>I predict an early stand-off between Obama&#8217;s working class platform and the Greens.  Detroit is just the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think what modern Leftism has wrought.  

We have a Politically Correct virus, HIV, in which it is not possible to point out the manner in which it is spread.

We new have a Politically Incorrect basic element, Carbon.  At one time Plutonium was Politically Incorrect, and the process was so successful in eliminating that artificially created element that the same approach was applied to carbon.  Why?  Well, the USA invented Plutonium and is the Carbon Capital of the world, with our coal reserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think what modern Leftism has wrought.  </p>
<p>We have a Politically Correct virus, HIV, in which it is not possible to point out the manner in which it is spread.</p>
<p>We new have a Politically Incorrect basic element, Carbon.  At one time Plutonium was Politically Incorrect, and the process was so successful in eliminating that artificially created element that the same approach was applied to carbon.  Why?  Well, the USA invented Plutonium and is the Carbon Capital of the world, with our coal reserves.</p>
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		<title>By: mika2k1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mika2k1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an international wealth transfer scheme.
==

Michael Hudson on debt peonage:

http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/28003</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an international wealth transfer scheme.<br />
==</p>
<p>Michael Hudson on debt peonage:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/28003" rel="nofollow">http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/28003</a></p>
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