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1. Ledger:

That is an unpleasant thought.I would have thought Iran would have just used them as mines for Straits.

Nuclear mines in the Strait of Hormuz would have slowed the oil transportation down considerably. But, I guess the 12th Imam has got to come during the Big Zero’s term.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:44 am 2. wildernesscalling:

So, who gonna start WWIV? Obama, Israel, Iran, Russia or least likely but could start the domino’s falling China? Now whos gonna do the US in China, Russia or the most likely Obama?

Nov 13, 2008 - 5:44 am 3. slimslowslider:

critical mass is all subjective when it comes to politics.

Nov 13, 2008 - 6:34 am 4. CW4:

Hang on for the ride. It should be a wild one lasting about 4 years….starting soon on a planet near you.

Nov 13, 2008 - 7:19 am 5. PineKnot:

Anyone want to take bets on when the Tree of Liberty receives its next nourishment?

Nov 13, 2008 - 7:30 am 6. cfbleachers:

The mullahfia are flexing their biceps under their robes and getting ready for the cut and run from Iraq to start the beat down of the regional community.

We spent 444 days watching a weakling and a coward lead us into prompting their greater and more open thuggery, hiding behind the orchestrated acts of front men, bag men and hit men to do the dirty work.

There’s a bully in the neighborhood and he will come knocking on the shopkeepers’ doors asking for protection money very soon. Limp-wristed Carter-like groveling and self-loathing apologies for how bad we are…will fan the flames of aggression.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:25 am 7. Mike Sylwester:

So, who gonna start WWIV?

I predict it will start when a chemical bomb is exploded in Tel Aviv. This attack will prompt a chain-reaction of retaliations, pulling all Moslem countries into chaotic warfare. This is when Iraq might separate into its three parts. The world’s supply of oil will be severely disrupted.

If this situation develops, I expect the Obama Administration might experience some shortfalls in its efforts to recruit people to join the military. Obama himself seems to have decided long ago that all US military involvements abroad are futile and doomed to fail.

However, the situation might cause a huge amount of sales for the USA’s arms manufacturing and export businesses. General Motors might be able to convert all its production lines to the manufacture of tanks for export.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:28 am 8. Mike Sylwester:

The Obama Administration might require that the next war’s tanks be driven by non-combustion, low-energy, non-polluting engines.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:34 am 9. Mongoose:

Nothing subjective about real critical masses caused by politics, at least not in the country were the detonate.

My guess is that it will become a serious question as to just who are Obama’s real “backers”, but this will not make it into the MSM.

One hopes that there is some core clique in the Democrat Establishment that actually has enough common sense to care about the future of their children.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:44 am 10. Mongoose:

Mike S: I imagine that there will be an exodus of people out of the armed services no matter what happens. What honorable person would want to serve under this bunch? And just wait until gays and women are put forward into the military. There will be officer purges coming soon too, and a pull back in procurements. I imagine that lines are forming around the exits as we sit here now.

The draft in inevitable, besides this is what the left wants, the military one of the few institutions that they have not corrupted yet. It has got to go (from their POV).

They want a weak, apologetic and grovelling USA. They want us humiliated. They clamor for this. They seem to have plenty of support for it in the electorate.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:54 am 11. k Wyclif:

OBAMA should take an example of N.koreas response to disarm underBush’s admn. de same is likely to work 4 Iran. war generally brings more suffering and loss of Life 2 innocent civilians.mr president think twice.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:58 am 12. Mongoose:

*where they detonate*

Nov 13, 2008 - 9:06 am 13. mkunert:

Four years of Carter brought eight years of Reagan. Nuff said.

Nov 13, 2008 - 9:25 am 14. Mongoose:

MK: Well that may be wishful thinking. It is not a foreordain conclusion that we will get another Reagan (or even a Newt G.). We may not even get another fair election.

The left may have learn form both the Carter and the Clinton debacles and can better hold onto power this time around. In any event, the Democrats are much more hard left, brazen and arrogant then they were back then and the electorate much more ignorant and prone to mass manipulation. The left is extremely well organized and well funded now, much more so than the GOP. the Nation iteslf is much more leftist than it was even 14 years ago. I would not count on taking back congress in two years if I were you.

The changes that the Left can cause in 4 or 8 years of power will be extremely hard to reverse; it would take a major sea change in the beliefs of the American people.

Nov 13, 2008 - 9:35 am 15. NahnCee:

I will be stunned and amazed if Obama actually makes it through his four-year term. The dishonest knavery he’s already shown before he’s even sworn in does not bode well for an adult administration.

Nov 13, 2008 - 10:31 am 16. mnotaro:

Obama sure has a long road ahead of him and is sure has started EARLY. My opinion is he will eventually crash and burn. He is unprepared and uneducated and the most inexperienced President ever to take office. That being said, I only can wonder how much the left wing illuminati are going to screw things up for our country.

Nov 13, 2008 - 10:39 am 17. RWE:

While Iran may be able to conceal the preparations for launch from an underground silo the actual launch will be seen in real time from multiple places. Radars in places such as Turkey and Israel (recently installed U.S. radar) as well as Geosynch satellites will see the launch.

Ironically, if a missile defense system is in place and intercepts it then Obama will have a reason to “give peace a chance.” If the missile makes it to a target he will be hard pressed not to shoot back. If the missile fails enroute – and that is more than likely – then the real fun will begin. Iran can claim it was an abortive space launch, a test missile that went off course, etc.

By the way, uranium has been found at the site of that bombed weapons site in Syria and the Syrians are claiming it is from the Israeli bombs that destroyed it.

Nov 13, 2008 - 11:17 am 18. RWE:

From the 27 Oct issue of Space News: The French have been unable to persuade their European partners to develop their own joint missile warning system.

Whadda suppose the French know?

Nov 13, 2008 - 11:38 am 19. vanderleun:

If losing a city is the only thing that will wake the west up for long enough to try to survive, Obama is just the man to bring it on.

Nov 13, 2008 - 11:47 am 20. Alexis:

MS:

The Obama Administration might require that the next war’s tanks be driven by non-combustion, low-energy, non-polluting engines.

How about tanks with small nuclear engines? That could get interesting.

Nov 13, 2008 - 12:05 pm 21. Fletcher Christian:

Alexis, just one way that one of the best hopes for energy independence might actually get some funding; how about tanks driven by B11/Proton Polywell fusion? All of a sudden, the part of the logistics problem caused by fuel transport vanishes. Of course, given such a reactor actually working the need for the tanks might diminish somewhat, too.

(AFAIK, boron-11/proton fusion is neutron-free.)

Nov 13, 2008 - 12:14 pm 22. Brian O'Connor:

The problem with relying on pure diplomacy while allowing Iran to acquire an offensive capability is that if diplomacy fails, it fails catastrophically.

Indeed. Personally, I think negotiations ought be entered into only after we, the US, have clearly defined “criteria of failure” and a deadline has been established at which “success” or “failure” will be declared.

Think of it as an “exit strategy” for diplomacy. (This concept would work for domestic policies, too — like affirmative action.)

This would put paid to endless negotiations which continue on the hokey claim that “we’re making progress.”

Nov 13, 2008 - 12:21 pm 23. RWE:

Our only tank production line is owned by General Dynamics, last I heard. They bought it from Chrysler almost 20 years ago.

I believe that Armored Personnel Carriers are made by Food Machinery Corp.

The time required to get GM or Ford producing tanks would be very long indeed. Modern tanks such as the M1 use very large castings that are far beyond the capability of the auto industry to produce. The big 3’s inability to be industrialy nimble even in the face of their certain and soon demise does not lead to optimism about their ability to convert to war material.

In WWII GM made tens of thousands of trucks and tanks, was far and away the largest producer of the M1 Carbine and took over most of the production of Grumman’s aircraft. Thus are the mighty fallen.

Nov 13, 2008 - 12:21 pm 24. Mongoose:

RWE: What do the French know? That the EU cannot afford it or pull it off.

Honestly, the French are always doing this: Proposing some grandiose plan or platform to ape the USA and then not delivering on it.

You will have to do better than this. The only thing that this validates is the clownishness of the Enarchs.

Nov 13, 2008 - 12:57 pm 25. Eggplant:

NahnCee said:

“I will be stunned and amazed if Obama actually makes it through his four-year term. The dishonest knavery he’s already shown before he’s even sworn in does not bode well for an adult administration.”

I know it’s a disaster for the nation having Obama as President. However, so much bad stuff is going to happen in the next four years that it’s almost poetic justice that Obama is stuck with the job.

It’s hard to predict if Obama will serve out his full four years before being hooted out of office.

Some scenarios:

1) His own party and the MSM make him into a scapegoat for the economy and force his resignation.
2) Obama realizes the mess that he is in and resigns.
3) National security and the economy become such disasters that there is a Constitutional convention and the current political system is removed from office.
4) Multiple cities get nuked, Obama waffles and a shining knight on a white horse is declared Secretary for the National Defense and takes over.
5) Obama turns into a puff of incandescent gas after Washington gets nuked.

RWE said:

“By the way, uranium has been found at the site of that bombed weapons site in Syria and the Syrians are claiming it is from the Israeli bombs that destroyed it.”

It occurred to me that Syria would try that ploy. UN inspectors could easily check the isotope mix. If it’s all depleted uranium then Syria might have a point. Truth-to-tell, I didn’t think the Syrian reactor had its core loaded before the Israelis destroyed it. Perhaps the uranium was in nearby storage?

Nov 13, 2008 - 1:12 pm 26. RWE:

Mongoose: I don’t disagree with you. The Euro GPS and Euro rapid raction force are two examples of French posturing malise.

But now, now, even the freakin’ French are interested in missile defense.

The French, who disposed of their own limited land-based ballistic missile force over a decade ago.

Even the friggin’ French are waking up. It may be Iran. It may be Russia. It may be Obama. It may be just that they think the times they are a-changing.

Nov 13, 2008 - 1:16 pm 27. RWE:

Eggplant: Syria has its own supply of Uranium. They have considerable quantities of Phosphates naturally contaminated with Uranium and have been separating the two for years to make fertilizer. I am surprised that they did not claim the target was a fertilizer plant, which would explain the uranium, but I suppose they would then have to explain why such an innocent plant was located and built the way it was.
And you don’t even use depleted uranium in bombs, to my knowledge, but in antitank shells, and IDF aircraft are not equipped to fire those anyway as far as I know.

Got my exercise today. Hiked all over the VAB, including the roof. What a building! What an incredible steel structure! I thought I was in an Indiana Jones movie!

Nov 13, 2008 - 1:28 pm 28. fred:

I think Oobonga is just a figurehead. He’s a puppet on a string pulled by George Soros and his allies. Just about all the cabinet appointments are going to be people put forth by the International Crisis Group (Soros funded).

George Soros’ aim is to bring the United States of America to ruination. He’s only a U.S. citizen out of convenience, as he pays no taxes to the U.S. His money is parked in Curacao.

I just hope we can hang on. I don’t agree that the Left can hold on to power for very long if its administration is incompetent and crisis-ridden. The media can only cover up the stink for so long. And the dopes who voted for him do have a percentage that I think is amenable to experience.

Nov 13, 2008 - 1:50 pm 29. Mongoose:

RWE: Sorry, I misunderstood you.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:03 pm 30. Mongoose:

Fred: the first test for the will be the f22. If they kil that then we wll know what is up. There is a major contract decision that need to be made in the first quarter of next year. (personally, I think we need another couple of hundred of these planes. Hundred of billions to bail out incompetent banker but none to renew our defenses)

How this get communicate to the American people is another matter. I wonder if America cares f we are a world power or not.

How do we get the word out about Soro and his ilk? How can we be so week that a ew men can defeat us so? The GOP need to get it together.
All this garbage about Halliburton, and a real threat to our future goes unreported.

This is one area where Obama can do so much damage. There are so many crucial procurement decisions that have to be made in the next few years.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:11 pm 31. Steve Y.:

I thought GWB had a chance to have his reputation restored because of the success of the surge. But the combination of 9/11, Katrina, and the financial meltdown is too much disaster for history to ignore, and although he wasn’t entirely responsible the buck has to stop somewhere. It’s very doubtful that he will have a Truman-like reversal of standing.

GWB doesn’t get much credit for the bad stuff that didn’t happen, i.e., how the economy didn’t implode after the tech collapse and 9/11, or how we haven’t had another terrorist attack or even an airliner accident since 2001.

For all the opprobrium heaped on Bush’s head, if Israel is destroyed by nuclear weapons, that and its aftershocks will be a calamity that will make Bush’s failures appear to be minor missteps by comparison. For the sake of America, Israel (of course), and the future of the Democrats as a serious party of governance, I hope President Obama makes solution of the Iranian problem the number one goal of his Administration.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:15 pm 32. whiskey:

Guns of August.

Without the US security Umbrella over Israel and Iraq and Eastern Europe, all the nations in those regions (add the Gulf states too) are going to develop as quickly as possible their own nukes.

Moreover, just like the realities of mobilization in WWI meant that if your neighbor mobilized you had too also, and race to see who can mobilize first, with nukes it’s whoever strikes first wins. None of these nations can create survivable, second strike capacities since they don’t have enough resources, money, and land to hide things (excepting perhaps Iran and Iraq).

Therefore everyone is on a hair trigger, and I would expect this logic to create an irresistible urge among Israeli military people to simply strike first for sheer survival. Perhaps also among Poles, or Czechs, or Saudis, or whoever.

THAT is the consequence of the withdrawal of the nuclear and defense umbrella of the US. WWI-style “Guns of August.” Likely with a war that just drags on for years and involves most of the world in nuclear exchanges.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:22 pm 33. OldSalt:

“One hopes that there is some core clique in the Democrat Establishment that actually has enough common sense to care about the future of their children.” – Mongoose

Um .. nope. The horse of common sense left the barn somewhere between 10 and 30 years ago. It takes “true believers” to vote for a guy with less than two years Senate experience, NO accomplishments, solid Marxist/Socialist connections, the son of foreign national, a family Muslim background, and an Arabic middle name, seven years removed from 9/11. There is NO escaping responsibility for this least election vote. Over half of voting Americans put their children’s lives and future into the hands of THAT one, the messianic BHO.

Even aside all of what I just mentioned, an American electorate which failed to recoil in mass outrage when a woman’s 15 year old pregnant daughter was attacked by national mobs for NOT aborting a handicapped child (as the first story went, Palin forced her unwilling daughter to have the Downs Syndrome baby because of her reactionary religious beliefs ..), or when an “average working guy” had an entire state government apparatus activated to find incriminating on him because he asked a question, and the ONE flubbed the answer, well, it will stand and accept any outrage.

There is NO hope that the Democrats will change their mind. If they were dying from a chemical or nuclear attack tomorrow, their last words would be “that f-cking, g-damn ’shub’ killed us all …”. These people are beyond human reason and logic in classical western terms, and do not have the intellect to understand the larger, long term impact, of say, the government owning a 1/3 stake in all major businesses (i.e. it makes political leaders the primary decision makers in business, ending up with successful failed Soviet or Chinese “5 year” plans).

It is hard to comprehend, but America IS in desperate straights, from both economic and security perspectives, and the country has lashed our bodies and souls to a man committed in every fibre of his being, to making it all very much worse.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:29 pm 34. OldSalt:

“ending up with successful failed Soviet or Chinese “5 year” plans).”
should say
ending up with successIVE failed Soviet or Chinese “5 year” plans).

Those tiny little characters make a big difference, don’t they?

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:31 pm 35. Mongoose:

Steve: History to ignore? Katrina?

You must be a Democrat posing as something else. Katrina is a complete fraud, and any objective historian removed in time from the political passions will see this.

The Financial mess on wall street was cause by the democrats with their back door socialism connived via CRA and their buddies on wall st. that dreampt up the whole house of cards around this. Again, historians will see this.

Let us just hope that they can find out if the Dems (or Soros and company) caused any of this to happen during the election cycle.

You should get your facts straight before you start slandering people.

Katrina? You cannot be serious.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:37 pm 36. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”"”If losing a city is the only thing that will wake the west up for long enough to try to survive, Obama is just the man to bring it on.”"”"”"”"”

Since we’re into debasement and surrender now, couldn’t we at least work up a list of desirable cities for the bad guys to devastate?

San Francisco is one. Berkeley’s next door, so that would be convenient targetting. Madison, WI is good, so it makes the list. Anyone else wnat to help me with this list?

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:48 pm 37. Mongoose:

OldSalt: Agreed, but I was talking about Dem Establishment in the defense, diplomatic and Intel community. I was not talking about electoral contests.

They need to see that Soros, Obama, the hard left, etc. are a threat to their very physical existence and stop him. This will not throw the Democrats out of power, but it may give the nation a brief reprieve. I would love to see a little civil war inside the party. The Chicago machine hardly speaks for the Ivy mafia at State, Defense or Intel. The hard left and the soros crowd are literally quite mad, and as fred here said, have the ruination of the nation foremost in their vultures’ nest of a heart.

Honestly, If we cannot get the facts before the American people and get them to act rationally, we are doomed.

And I agree that we are a nation in a moment of great decadence. How permanent that is remains to be seen. We will be at the level of Brazil in decade, perhaps even at a lower level than Brazil.

The best we can do is educate the public and organize the political resistance. I think we will have a feel for it inside of 10 months.

Conservatives really need to consider a national boycott of the MSM and their advertisers.

I do, however, think that Soros’ folks are about as incompetent as they are arrogant so they might just out themselves and their agenda inadvertently. But if we can be unmanned by George Soros then we deserve it.

One thing is certain: The Right will never pull off the legerdemain that the Left is capable of. The nation must decide what it is about. Whether it is bread and circuses or a return to the great traditions of our history. We are past these sqeacker elections and euphemisms now. I hope the GOP has the guts to call things by their real name; that they have the patriotism to take a stand. It maybe the only chance that they have – or we have. The democrats can only hard the country, that is for sure.

Nov 13, 2008 - 2:57 pm 38. Mongoose:

Reilly: The One will work it out such that it is the most center right city in the nation, preferably in Texas (I know, it is hard to work that one out, some smaller Democrat urban machine will have to do their bit for the cause).

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:01 pm 39. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”"”"For all the opprobrium heaped on Bush’s head, if Israel is destroyed by nuclear weapons, that and its aftershocks will be a calamity that will make Bush’s failures appear to be minor missteps by comparison.”"”"”"”"”

First of all, I had no problem with your mentioning of Katrina. Your point was about perception, after all. As to the above point, what people don’t realize is that there is a high likelyhood that Israel would still be able to strike back, and with much greater force than what was unleashed on it.

While Israel may be small, it can’t be obliterated by one or even two nukes. There is a lot of naivete about both the power of individual nukes and the ability of a would-be nuclear power to produce any serious number of weapons in a short time. I’m not minimizing either of these factors, but the hard fact is that Israel likely has the ability to deliver several — even dozens — of retaliatory bombs against a number of targets.

What this signifies is that a nuclear (or major, successful chemical) strike against Israel would be even more catastrophic than most pundits and commenters realize. Expect Tehran and several other Iranian targets to be hit, as well as Damascus and possibly other Syrian locations. Israel may chose to use a few deep-penetration mini-nukes against Hezbollah targets in S. Lebanon as well. I leave it to others to imagine the scenario for the entire Eastern Mediterranean and the Gulf region.

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:02 pm 40. Mongoose:

oly hard – only harm

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:03 pm 41. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”Reilly: The One will work it out such that it is the most center right city in the nation, preferably in Texas (I know, it is hard to work that one out, some smaller Democrat urban machine will have to do their bit for the cause).”"”"”"”"

Ironically, Texas border towns are the most vulnerable to a nuclear truck bomb. Laredo can be devastated by a bomb parked right across the border in Nuevo Laredo, for instance. El Paso is next to Juarez.

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:06 pm 42. Mongoose:

Oh they will go farther north. So many soon to be legal voters down south.

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:12 pm 43. Eggplant:

RWE said:

“Hiked all over the VAB, including the roof. What a building! What an incredible steel structure! I thought I was in an Indiana Jones movie!”

I’m envious. I saw the VAB’s exterior when I was at KSC a zillion years ago for the STS/1 launch. Unfortunately the VAB was locked up and surrounded by security guards. I tried to get a close look at the old Saturn-V laying on the ground next to the VAB but the security guards shooed me away.

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:23 pm 44. devodivo:

So…Obama would apply the precautionary principle to AGW but not to Anthropoligical Nuclear Devastation? ??

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:34 pm 45. Fletcher Christian:

Roderick, you missed out DC. Shame on you.

Nov 13, 2008 - 3:35 pm 46. RWE:

Eggplant: I have been in the VAB four times. Once in the early 70’s when there were still Saturns in there. Twice within the past few years to visit the Columbia debris storage area to examine how it broke up. And today to gather data to determine what happens if one of the new Constellation moon rockets blows up. This was a real “tour” today, like few people indeed get to do. We even looked up the Shuttle SRB nozzles for the mission after the next one and went up high looked down on the ET and SRBs far below.

The Saturn V is no longer outside the VAB. They have housed it in a beautiful new display center up north of the VAB. It’s like a cross between the Smithsonian and Disneyland. I have had dinner sitting under that Saturn V twice now.

Interestingly enough, they have never removed the old Fallout Shelter signs from inside the VAB – nor all of the Saturn V stuff. Said they did not have the money to do so. The Air Force has yanked down about all of their Fallout Shelter signs. The old CD radiation meters are being sold on ebay. I bought a meter and some dosimeters.

Whiskey: And just think, that very grim scenario you paint would be brought to us by the People Who Profess to Love Peace and the Religion Of Peace.

Nov 13, 2008 - 5:04 pm 47. Eggplant:

RWE said:

“The Saturn V is no longer outside the VAB. They have housed it in a beautiful new display center up north of the VAB. It’s like a cross between the Smithsonian and Disneyland. I have had dinner sitting under that Saturn V twice now.”

That’s good news. I think that old Saturn-V was once flight qualified and intended for Apollo 18 or 19. They should have preserved it in that Disneyland thing immediately after the Apollo program was terminated. When I saw that it during STS/1, it was a mess. There were birds nesting in it and parts of it were badly corroded (a national disgrace!).

It would be nice if someone could fish the old Saturn S-Ib stages from Apollos 11-17 off the bottom of the ocean and put them on public display (like the Liberty Bell 7 Mercury capsule).

On the subject of old Apollo hardware, there is one used Apollo Command Module (CM) where you can actually scrape heat shield material under your finger nails (actually touch it). This is the CM from AS-501 (Apollo-4). AS-501 was an unmanned mission and the first test of the Saturn-V. The AS-501 CM is displayed on the lower deck of the USS Hornet in Alameda, California (the USS Hornet is a decommissioned aircraft carrier and now a floating museum). People walk by the AS-501 CM not realizing what it is (thoughtless people sometimes throw their trash in it).

Nov 13, 2008 - 6:29 pm 48. Kvalseth:

Regarding the title: I have the capability to kill a man with my bare hands. That doesn’t mean I intend to.

Nov 13, 2008 - 6:39 pm 49. trangbang68:

This talk of losing a city to nukes is intriguing in Tom Clancy novels, but unimaginable in real life. 9/11 knocked us to the canvas for an 8 count. It was two buildings and 3000 kia’s . A nuclear strike that forever kills a city and 1,000,000 people will be the end of everything we have cherished for 200 years. Whatever government pulls itself from the ashes will be dark,bloody and merciless. You won’t need to worry about what party will rule. There will be no parties again, no laughter, no joy.Only tears and numb horror. Pray that scenario never occurs.

Nov 13, 2008 - 7:35 pm 50. exhelodrvr:

“Barack Obama’s first international “test””

I guess you mean “first international test” other than the Russians putting their short/medium range missiles pointed west in their western regions.

Nov 13, 2008 - 8:03 pm 51. Tim:

trangbang68,

As horrible as a US city being nuked would be, it would about a million or so casualties. If we were able to limit the war to no more than a couple of million US dead, we would still be better off than Poland in WWII. They lost around 5,600,000 people, or around 16% of their population. Poland seems to have recovered from this trauma and is a normal modern country.

The US would have to loose somewhere north of 45 million to be in this territory.

Nov 13, 2008 - 11:50 pm 52. Tim:

I have always had the idea that Israel should buy a nice small central African country and pay all of the inhabitants a couple $100,000 to leave, and move there. They can make the desert bloom. Imagine what they could do somewhere with real resources.
But alas religion mucks that idea up.

If I lived in Israel right now, I would be looking to move ASAP.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:25 am 53. outa my league:

MS – “The Obama Administration might require that the next war’s tanks be driven by non-combustion, low-energy, non-polluting engines.”

Ah, that would be the new pluggable hybrid tanks. The first 3 klicks are free.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:33 am 54. Lifeofthemind:

I have complained to Pajamas Media about Cedarford’s hate speech. This is now over the line and is destroyong this community. He must be removed.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:55 am 55. marek:

C4 says:

1. The non Jewish of ACLU members are OK. Only the Jewish ones will be killed or beaten

2. Iran is an Arab country

3. Iran has embarked on nuclear arms pursuit because she was threatened by Israel (nuclear or otherwise) nuclear weapons

4. Iran is threatened by US under Israeli influence

Let the village idiot ramble.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:09 am 56. luagha:

Iran is a Persian Muslim country, not an Arab country. Call an Iranian an Arab to his face and see what it gets you.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:11 am 57. trangbang68:

Cedarford fleshed out the post apocalyptic world I described. A cruel heartless world where we’ll bulldoze rubble and body parts into a heap and carry on, bitch slapping any Jews that get in the way. Contrary to said neo- fascist vision, that’s not the America I grew up in, fought for, love and desire for my children.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:05 am 58. wretchard:

This thread is getting out of hand. I have removed such comments as I think are unfit. It is now closed.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:32 pm

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