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		<title>By: LarryD</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/19/a-simple-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-23029</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, I think you are asking the question wrongly. 

You asked who was making the guns.  You should be asking, who are the patrons supporting the Taliban &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt; with money, material, intel., and propaganda?  It&#039;s not just one entity, though Iran gets a prominent position on the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, I think you are asking the question wrongly. </p>
<p>You asked who was making the guns.  You should be asking, who are the patrons supporting the Taliban <i>et al</i> with money, material, intel., and propaganda?  It&#8217;s not just one entity, though Iran gets a prominent position on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recording here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a lot of trouble they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.</p>
<p>The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.</p>
<p>Listen to the <a href="http://my.wrif.com/mim/?p=916" rel="nofollow">recording here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/19/a-simple-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-23027</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>66. Lifeofthemind:

@Charles,
Just purely for speculation consider if you are correct. Obama is forced to reveal deep secrets such as he was Fathered by Uncle Frank, it won’t matter. He can be the bastard child of Strom Thurmond and he will still become the President as long as he was born in the United States. The rest of the Berg argument is a claim that he traveled on an Indonesian passport when he was 19 years old and therefore as an adult renounced his US citizenship. That could be used in a creative stretch if the SCOTUS wanted to but I doubt it. 
............
If Obama is fathered by uncle frank then he is embarrased but still president since uncle frank was an american.
however, if he was born in Kenya and hustled to hawaii to have his birth registered-- then there will be trouble.
The truth would presumably come out with birth certificate in Hawaiian state hands.
The Berg suit was badly formulated. The suit that the supremes are responding to is one that was filed in New Jersey. The Ps&amp;Qs there are all correct. The suit calls for all the candidates to show their birth certificates. Should be  pro forma no brainer.
There&#039;s another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20202575&amp;BRD=2737&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=576361&amp;rfi=8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lawsuit that&#039;s been filed in California&lt;/a&gt; by Alan Keyes.

Here is a google news search for &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.google.com/news?client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wn&amp;ned=us&amp;q=obama+birth+certificate&amp;btnG=Search+News&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; obama birth certificate&lt;/a&gt; There&#039;s an immense amount of stuff on it but its all second tier.  It probably won&#039;t make first tier until Dec 5 or there abouts.


There are now &lt;a href=&quot;http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=80928&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more than a half dozen legal challenges&lt;/a&gt; to Obama&#039;s citizenship.

New Jersey suit was first rejected by Justice David Souter   but then reinstated for consideration by Justice Clarence Thomas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>66. Lifeofthemind:</p>
<p>@Charles,<br />
Just purely for speculation consider if you are correct. Obama is forced to reveal deep secrets such as he was Fathered by Uncle Frank, it won’t matter. He can be the bastard child of Strom Thurmond and he will still become the President as long as he was born in the United States. The rest of the Berg argument is a claim that he traveled on an Indonesian passport when he was 19 years old and therefore as an adult renounced his US citizenship. That could be used in a creative stretch if the SCOTUS wanted to but I doubt it.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
If Obama is fathered by uncle frank then he is embarrased but still president since uncle frank was an american.<br />
however, if he was born in Kenya and hustled to hawaii to have his birth registered&#8211; then there will be trouble.<br />
The truth would presumably come out with birth certificate in Hawaiian state hands.<br />
The Berg suit was badly formulated. The suit that the supremes are responding to is one that was filed in New Jersey. The Ps&amp;Qs there are all correct. The suit calls for all the candidates to show their birth certificates. Should be  pro forma no brainer.<br />
There&#8217;s another <a href="http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20202575&amp;BRD=2737&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=576361&amp;rfi=8" rel="nofollow">lawsuit that&#8217;s been filed in California</a> by Alan Keyes.</p>
<p>Here is a google news search for <a href="http://news.google.com/news?client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wn&amp;ned=us&amp;q=obama+birth+certificate&amp;btnG=Search+News" rel="nofollow"> obama birth certificate</a> There&#8217;s an immense amount of stuff on it but its all second tier.  It probably won&#8217;t make first tier until Dec 5 or there abouts.</p>
<p>There are now <a href="http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=80928" rel="nofollow">more than a half dozen legal challenges</a> to Obama&#8217;s citizenship.</p>
<p>New Jersey suit was first rejected by Justice David Souter   but then reinstated for consideration by Justice Clarence Thomas.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assumption of this thread is that the intel for the preditors is US generated--I think--is wrong.

I think the intel is coming from the ISI. 

They have been the center of gravity for the Paki war.

They have played a double game for decades.

But I think the recent incredibly cold attack on the government that Wretchard commented on...ie...the initial fire in the truck... that brought in government soldiers to put out the fire...and then the fireball explosion.

There&#039;s no chance the ISI didn&#039;t see that footage and see the utterly cold mercilessness of the people who would do them harm.

The idea was to make them afraid.

Sure did. It made them afraid for their lives.

But men cower only when they have no other defense.

The ISI will experience a certain pleasure in giving AQ a taste of their own medicine.

Wouldn&#039;t be the first time that AQ overplayed their hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumption of this thread is that the intel for the preditors is US generated&#8211;I think&#8211;is wrong.</p>
<p>I think the intel is coming from the ISI. </p>
<p>They have been the center of gravity for the Paki war.</p>
<p>They have played a double game for decades.</p>
<p>But I think the recent incredibly cold attack on the government that Wretchard commented on&#8230;ie&#8230;the initial fire in the truck&#8230; that brought in government soldiers to put out the fire&#8230;and then the fireball explosion.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no chance the ISI didn&#8217;t see that footage and see the utterly cold mercilessness of the people who would do them harm.</p>
<p>The idea was to make them afraid.</p>
<p>Sure did. It made them afraid for their lives.</p>
<p>But men cower only when they have no other defense.</p>
<p>The ISI will experience a certain pleasure in giving AQ a taste of their own medicine.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be the first time that AQ overplayed their hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In WW II, the Germans, due to a perceived lack of total combat power, sought wonder weapons which would win the war with effectiveness all out of proportion to the resources devoted to building them.  Some, such as the V3 Tausenfelser (sp?) depended on the Brits reacting stupidly.
The Brits, probably due to the casualties of WW I, sought choke points, silver bullets, and raised innumerable special units.  The success of this technique failed in the face of the resilience of a modern state.
As Gen. Dennis said in &quot;Command Decision&quot;, more or less, yeah, we destroyed the Nautilus torpedo factory.  The last one we destroy will be a problem for the Germans. The first nineteen will hardly inconvenience them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In WW II, the Germans, due to a perceived lack of total combat power, sought wonder weapons which would win the war with effectiveness all out of proportion to the resources devoted to building them.  Some, such as the V3 Tausenfelser (sp?) depended on the Brits reacting stupidly.<br />
The Brits, probably due to the casualties of WW I, sought choke points, silver bullets, and raised innumerable special units.  The success of this technique failed in the face of the resilience of a modern state.<br />
As Gen. Dennis said in &#8220;Command Decision&#8221;, more or less, yeah, we destroyed the Nautilus torpedo factory.  The last one we destroy will be a problem for the Germans. The first nineteen will hardly inconvenience them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/pope-benedict-may-have-predicted-market.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Pope Spoke About Imminent Market Collapse Back in 1985&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/11/pope-benedict-may-have-predicted-market.html" rel="nofollow"> Pope Spoke About Imminent Market Collapse Back in 1985</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hoskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just remember Robert Strange McNamara and Les Aspin.  (Les was in his 20&#039;s when on Strange&#039;s staff)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just remember Robert Strange McNamara and Les Aspin.  (Les was in his 20&#8217;s when on Strange&#8217;s staff)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hoskins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hoskins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped reading this thread somewhere in the 50&#039;s.

Yes we need to carefully evaluate the situation, against our national goals, understanding of the enemies goals, available real time information and our limited resources... STOP..INCOMING EXOCET...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped reading this thread somewhere in the 50&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Yes we need to carefully evaluate the situation, against our national goals, understanding of the enemies goals, available real time information and our limited resources&#8230; STOP..INCOMING EXOCET&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve been thinking more about the Dead Thread on the auto bailout. Presidents are reflexively reluctant to deliver bad news, partly because they are afraid of being accused of responsibility for talking down a market. McCain thought he was being Presidential, like FDR&#039;s &quot;nothing to fear but fear itself,&quot; when he said the economy was &quot;fundamentally sound.&quot; Obama was given a pass by the MSM when he claimed we were in a recession. Schumer got away with causing a bank collapse that no Republican could have gotten away with. 

Now the Democrats are demanding billions and trillions of dollars to subsidize their unions and fraudulent housing loans. Bush should fight this by preparing the American people to accept a bankruptcy by GM. He could do this by reviewing other large bankruptcies, that while painful and sad, were part of the American system. Most of the electorate are to young to remember the collapse of the Penn-Central railroad, or the NY Herald Tribune, or Railway-Express, or Eastern, Pan Am and TWA. US Steel is a shadow of its former self. We have been here before and survived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been thinking more about the Dead Thread on the auto bailout. Presidents are reflexively reluctant to deliver bad news, partly because they are afraid of being accused of responsibility for talking down a market. McCain thought he was being Presidential, like FDR&#8217;s &#8220;nothing to fear but fear itself,&#8221; when he said the economy was &#8220;fundamentally sound.&#8221; Obama was given a pass by the MSM when he claimed we were in a recession. Schumer got away with causing a bank collapse that no Republican could have gotten away with. </p>
<p>Now the Democrats are demanding billions and trillions of dollars to subsidize their unions and fraudulent housing loans. Bush should fight this by preparing the American people to accept a bankruptcy by GM. He could do this by reviewing other large bankruptcies, that while painful and sad, were part of the American system. Most of the electorate are to young to remember the collapse of the Penn-Central railroad, or the NY Herald Tribune, or Railway-Express, or Eastern, Pan Am and TWA. US Steel is a shadow of its former self. We have been here before and survived.</p>
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		<title>By: exhelodrvr</title>
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		<dc:creator>exhelodrvr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not be a sound strategy to base everything on, but the leadership needs to be flexible enough to shift focus and grab those types of opportunities if they present themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not be a sound strategy to base everything on, but the leadership needs to be flexible enough to shift focus and grab those types of opportunities if they present themselves.</p>
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