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		<title>By: Storm-Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storm-Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to our Declaration of Independence when government becomes destructive of our God-given rights to life, liberty and (creative)pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish the government.

“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”  Abraham Lincoln

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”  Abraham Lincoln</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to our Declaration of Independence when government becomes destructive of our God-given rights to life, liberty and (creative)pursuit of happiness, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish the government.</p>
<p>“This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.”  Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”  Abraham Lincoln</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every decade or so, the decline of the West is predicted.

I guess we&#039;re about due for another round of this silliness..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every decade or so, the decline of the West is predicted.</p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;re about due for another round of this silliness..</p>
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		<title>By: veracious</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/21/2025/comment-page-3/#comment-23425</link>
		<dc:creator>veracious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like some of what L3 says on other subjects, but on this one, he bit on the promotional line.  The relative transfer amounts are not fully stated and are misleading.  The transfered wealth didn&#039;t sat in a cave, hasn&#039;t been largely spent but has muliplied, via investments here-there-an-everywhere.

Wretchard is on the right path, per my view...

America, meet your new, soon to be masters.  You&#039;ve allowed your government and monied interests to transfer many trillons of dollars, to your enemies and _friends_ around the world.  This wasn&#039;t reciprocal, those dollars, representing your wealth, are now theirs.  

You&#039;ve allowed those same dollars to return and influence your government, institutions, news services and corporations, to increase the outpouring of wealth.  Those foreign dollars now own large, often controlling shares of said organizations.  What used to be your institutions, now make decisions in the best interests of their new owners, not we the peoples.

The new owners refused to allow USA to use its own oil or keep its own manufacturing, preffering to move these essential and profitable items to their homelands.  This was done under hundreds of different disguises and proxies agents.

The outpouring of wealth is so vast that now foreigners subtly fund the President and congressional campaigns and there isn&#039;t anything that can be done about it.  As a matter of fact there nary a word of honest journalism regarding it; new owners hired new editors and journalists.

Now the US Treasury vault, has been thrown open to protect the financial losses of foreign capital invested in USA.  Of course there is plenty of plunder for all of those who&#039;ve been aiding and abetting the transfer of wealth.

Now, since a large portion of the new owners are Muslims, they will bring Sharia law or any other change, regardless of whether any one of we the people, likes it...  Did I mention the new masters expect USA to make illegal immigration, legal and not make a big hassle about it.  Essential for ending the dwindling patriotic, majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like some of what L3 says on other subjects, but on this one, he bit on the promotional line.  The relative transfer amounts are not fully stated and are misleading.  The transfered wealth didn&#8217;t sat in a cave, hasn&#8217;t been largely spent but has muliplied, via investments here-there-an-everywhere.</p>
<p>Wretchard is on the right path, per my view&#8230;</p>
<p>America, meet your new, soon to be masters.  You&#8217;ve allowed your government and monied interests to transfer many trillons of dollars, to your enemies and _friends_ around the world.  This wasn&#8217;t reciprocal, those dollars, representing your wealth, are now theirs.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve allowed those same dollars to return and influence your government, institutions, news services and corporations, to increase the outpouring of wealth.  Those foreign dollars now own large, often controlling shares of said organizations.  What used to be your institutions, now make decisions in the best interests of their new owners, not we the peoples.</p>
<p>The new owners refused to allow USA to use its own oil or keep its own manufacturing, preffering to move these essential and profitable items to their homelands.  This was done under hundreds of different disguises and proxies agents.</p>
<p>The outpouring of wealth is so vast that now foreigners subtly fund the President and congressional campaigns and there isn&#8217;t anything that can be done about it.  As a matter of fact there nary a word of honest journalism regarding it; new owners hired new editors and journalists.</p>
<p>Now the US Treasury vault, has been thrown open to protect the financial losses of foreign capital invested in USA.  Of course there is plenty of plunder for all of those who&#8217;ve been aiding and abetting the transfer of wealth.</p>
<p>Now, since a large portion of the new owners are Muslims, they will bring Sharia law or any other change, regardless of whether any one of we the people, likes it&#8230;  Did I mention the new masters expect USA to make illegal immigration, legal and not make a big hassle about it.  Essential for ending the dwindling patriotic, majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Behind Blue Lines &#187; The World in 2025</title>
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		<dc:creator>Behind Blue Lines &#187; The World in 2025</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fernandez at Belmont Club and Westhawk note the resigned tone that permeates the report - I tend to agree that the report [...]</description>
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		<title>By: weSwinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>weSwinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mongoose #112 - One of the revelations of Amity Schlaes&#039; &quot;The Forgotten Man&quot; for me was the insinuating demagoguery of FDR&#039;s fireside chats - stirring up class hatred, yet making his listeners feel he was in their sitting room, talking with them.

Another is to wonder at the continuing support of Jewish-American voters for FDR and the Democrats.  One of the first cases that went to court over one of the New Deal chicken marketing rules was against a Kosher wholesale butcher.  The anti-semitism of the gov&#039;t and media was appalling, but apparently Jewish voters did not feel like connecting the dots back to their beloved Democrats.  Just between you me and the wall here, and not to sound like c4, but methinks they had more in common as Marxists than they had differences as Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mongoose #112 &#8211; One of the revelations of Amity Schlaes&#8217; &#8220;The Forgotten Man&#8221; for me was the insinuating demagoguery of FDR&#8217;s fireside chats &#8211; stirring up class hatred, yet making his listeners feel he was in their sitting room, talking with them.</p>
<p>Another is to wonder at the continuing support of Jewish-American voters for FDR and the Democrats.  One of the first cases that went to court over one of the New Deal chicken marketing rules was against a Kosher wholesale butcher.  The anti-semitism of the gov&#8217;t and media was appalling, but apparently Jewish voters did not feel like connecting the dots back to their beloved Democrats.  Just between you me and the wall here, and not to sound like c4, but methinks they had more in common as Marxists than they had differences as Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was FDR WHO implemented...</description>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Murphy: True, I was just talking about leftist domination of the media for political ends, not the history of &quot;progressives&quot; in power in the WH (BTW, though the aims and animus were different, and the goals quite limited, Teddy Roosevelt might mark the beginning of &quot;progressive  politics&quot; in America -- ironically the mess may have started in the GOP).  

It was FDR implemented in the USA the media techniques of mass manipulation perfected by the collectivists in Europe. JFK merely moved it over to TV; JFK is not the first &quot;media president&quot;. as many historians have claimed, he was just the first &quot;TV  president&quot;; FDR was the first &quot;media president&quot;, and the media was an amalgam of print, cinema and radio.

This was one of the main foundations of his and his parties power during his &quot;reign&quot;.  True, Wilson censored quite a bit during WW!, misled the public and arrest quite a few folks, but the media had not yet reach the technological level for the sort of mass manipulation i am talking about. The print medium was not an actual arm of the progressives and radio and film was not yet a real factors. This type of propaganda to requires broadcast media to be effective as it relies so much on irrational emotional associations. Also, one could argue that there was not yet developed the sort of homogeneous &quot;popular culture&quot; that these  kinds of manipulations seems to require: &quot;Mass Man&quot; may be an artifact of the outcome of the war.  

It is true that the roots of the 1920&#039;s and 1930&#039;s mass manipulation tactics has its roots in the print propaganda campaigns by the great powers at the onset of WW1 -- particularly efforts by the UK to defame &quot;The Hun&quot; -- but the technique were not yet perfected; they were mostly used by established political actors to push the war effort (Lenin being the exception here in the middle of the war).

It really had to wait for Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin to reach perfection and critical mass. Hitler once said something to the effect of &quot;I want a loud speaker on every corner in every town in Germany&quot;. Ted Turner had nothing on him.

That FDR had to be much more circumspect in his tactics goes without saying, but he played a ruthless, subtle game here, and probably went one better then the Europeans in his manipulation of popular culture for political ends (it is not much of a stretch to say that he and his media minions created 20th century popular culture and did do mostly for political ends). 

It is interesting to note that the pinnacle position of the Big 3 broadcasters dates from this time. FDR effectively used public licensing of the airwaves to get compliance from the media. 

The resistance in the USA to these sort of games has traditionally been the common sense of the general public.

Here we have the paradox of the last election. More Americans than ever detest the media yet they were extremely crucial in this election and their support for the Marxists was the most blatant in history.

We seem to have found some basic fault line or trip wire of imbecility in the American electorate.
Once across it anything goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Murphy: True, I was just talking about leftist domination of the media for political ends, not the history of &#8220;progressives&#8221; in power in the WH (BTW, though the aims and animus were different, and the goals quite limited, Teddy Roosevelt might mark the beginning of &#8220;progressive  politics&#8221; in America &#8212; ironically the mess may have started in the GOP).  </p>
<p>It was FDR implemented in the USA the media techniques of mass manipulation perfected by the collectivists in Europe. JFK merely moved it over to TV; JFK is not the first &#8220;media president&#8221;. as many historians have claimed, he was just the first &#8220;TV  president&#8221;; FDR was the first &#8220;media president&#8221;, and the media was an amalgam of print, cinema and radio.</p>
<p>This was one of the main foundations of his and his parties power during his &#8220;reign&#8221;.  True, Wilson censored quite a bit during WW!, misled the public and arrest quite a few folks, but the media had not yet reach the technological level for the sort of mass manipulation i am talking about. The print medium was not an actual arm of the progressives and radio and film was not yet a real factors. This type of propaganda to requires broadcast media to be effective as it relies so much on irrational emotional associations. Also, one could argue that there was not yet developed the sort of homogeneous &#8220;popular culture&#8221; that these  kinds of manipulations seems to require: &#8220;Mass Man&#8221; may be an artifact of the outcome of the war.  </p>
<p>It is true that the roots of the 1920&#8217;s and 1930&#8217;s mass manipulation tactics has its roots in the print propaganda campaigns by the great powers at the onset of WW1 &#8212; particularly efforts by the UK to defame &#8220;The Hun&#8221; &#8212; but the technique were not yet perfected; they were mostly used by established political actors to push the war effort (Lenin being the exception here in the middle of the war).</p>
<p>It really had to wait for Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin to reach perfection and critical mass. Hitler once said something to the effect of &#8220;I want a loud speaker on every corner in every town in Germany&#8221;. Ted Turner had nothing on him.</p>
<p>That FDR had to be much more circumspect in his tactics goes without saying, but he played a ruthless, subtle game here, and probably went one better then the Europeans in his manipulation of popular culture for political ends (it is not much of a stretch to say that he and his media minions created 20th century popular culture and did do mostly for political ends). </p>
<p>It is interesting to note that the pinnacle position of the Big 3 broadcasters dates from this time. FDR effectively used public licensing of the airwaves to get compliance from the media. </p>
<p>The resistance in the USA to these sort of games has traditionally been the common sense of the general public.</p>
<p>Here we have the paradox of the last election. More Americans than ever detest the media yet they were extremely crucial in this election and their support for the Marxists was the most blatant in history.</p>
<p>We seem to have found some basic fault line or trip wire of imbecility in the American electorate.<br />
Once across it anything goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Lifeofthemind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lifeofthemind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave,
Dr Chesler has an excellent blog, thank you for pointing it out. I see that Cfud is now spreading his charm there. He tries hard to hold back and contribute at a level that will let him keep a seat at the table but he just can&#039;t help letting the hate slip out. There he was pushing about overpopulation by Black Africans. For the Fud the world would be fine except for all those pesky Blacks and Joooos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave,<br />
Dr Chesler has an excellent blog, thank you for pointing it out. I see that Cfud is now spreading his charm there. He tries hard to hold back and contribute at a level that will let him keep a seat at the table but he just can&#8217;t help letting the hate slip out. There he was pushing about overpopulation by Black Africans. For the Fud the world would be fine except for all those pesky Blacks and Joooos.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21. Thrasymachus:
Re your Ivy League comments.

I bought a second hand copy of God and Man at Yale by William F Buckley for $4 in Sausalito and started reading it a few days ago.

The book was written about 1950 and the socialist/Marxists and rabid secularists already had the place by the curlies then from what he says (rather elegantly).

Great, thoguht provoking book. And a lot of ammo for challenging the left effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21. Thrasymachus:<br />
Re your Ivy League comments.</p>
<p>I bought a second hand copy of God and Man at Yale by William F Buckley for $4 in Sausalito and started reading it a few days ago.</p>
<p>The book was written about 1950 and the socialist/Marxists and rabid secularists already had the place by the curlies then from what he says (rather elegantly).</p>
<p>Great, thoguht provoking book. And a lot of ammo for challenging the left effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: 3Case</title>
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		<dc:creator>3Case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can one believe a report from an agency that has been so consistently wrong?...while it is predicting global warming will disrupt Chinese agriculture when the most recent news is that global warming has been on hiatus for 9+ years and may not return for 20?  

I&#039;ll say again, it fascinates me that evolutionists can be such staticists.  What it says to me is that they are stupid; of which there is plenty of evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can one believe a report from an agency that has been so consistently wrong?&#8230;while it is predicting global warming will disrupt Chinese agriculture when the most recent news is that global warming has been on hiatus for 9+ years and may not return for 20?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say again, it fascinates me that evolutionists can be such staticists.  What it says to me is that they are stupid; of which there is plenty of evidence.</p>
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