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		<title>By: TY Freberg</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/22/bad-manners/comment-page-4/#comment-24033</link>
		<dc:creator>TY Freberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole proposal of an un-elected (not elected), un-eligible (not eligible) idiot (intellectually deficient) should become the USA (United States of America: not Africa) because that&#039;s what 
certain unknown, unqualified and unquantified persons 
engaged with media bombardment want is absurd, 
ridiculous and dangerous... 
The propaganda efforts by subversive &quot;press&quot; persons thus engaged 
with the hostile take-over attempt (the Obamanables: those claiming 
a Mr. Obama is a President elect for the USA) of the legitimate established US Federal Government, should be shot in their 
heads (with guns) to their deaths for HIGH TREASON (a 
crime punishable by death according to a current, yet
very old law)...
Other than that: the fact that they (?) would risk having their own liberties and lives ruined in order to attempt establishing someone 
as stupid  and criminal (lame) as Mr. Barack Obama goes to say just how dumb they are for seeking any attention to it at all... 
The persons attempting to criminally appoint Mr. Obama as the next 
president of anywhere (let alone, USA) only prove those deliberating such nonsense are a threat (criminally insane--incompetent--not intellectually sufficient for survival) to themselves and to 
others: lock them up throw away the key?! Shoot shoot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole proposal of an un-elected (not elected), un-eligible (not eligible) idiot (intellectually deficient) should become the USA (United States of America: not Africa) because that&#8217;s what<br />
certain unknown, unqualified and unquantified persons<br />
engaged with media bombardment want is absurd,<br />
ridiculous and dangerous&#8230;<br />
The propaganda efforts by subversive &#8220;press&#8221; persons thus engaged<br />
with the hostile take-over attempt (the Obamanables: those claiming<br />
a Mr. Obama is a President elect for the USA) of the legitimate established US Federal Government, should be shot in their<br />
heads (with guns) to their deaths for HIGH TREASON (a<br />
crime punishable by death according to a current, yet<br />
very old law)&#8230;<br />
Other than that: the fact that they (?) would risk having their own liberties and lives ruined in order to attempt establishing someone<br />
as stupid  and criminal (lame) as Mr. Barack Obama goes to say just how dumb they are for seeking any attention to it at all&#8230;<br />
The persons attempting to criminally appoint Mr. Obama as the next<br />
president of anywhere (let alone, USA) only prove those deliberating such nonsense are a threat (criminally insane&#8211;incompetent&#8211;not intellectually sufficient for survival) to themselves and to<br />
others: lock them up throw away the key?! Shoot shoot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America Wants to Know!
Obama REFUSES to show his ORIGINAL birth certificate. Why?

http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx

SIGN THE PETITION TO FORCE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA TO PRESENT HIS QUALIFICATIONS.

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA&#039;S BIRTH CERTIFICATE

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=81550</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America Wants to Know!<br />
Obama REFUSES to show his ORIGINAL birth certificate. Why?</p>
<p><a href="http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>SIGN THE PETITION TO FORCE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA TO PRESENT HIS QUALIFICATIONS.</p>
<p>PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF<br />
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA&#8217;S BIRTH CERTIFICATE</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=81550" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=81550</a></p>
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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/22/bad-manners/comment-page-4/#comment-23616</link>
		<dc:creator>twobyfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp, actually, their bad manners are just their inherent feature and the public display is due to their inability to contain emotions--they just have to gloat and deride at the same time to feed their self-esteem as they know that their rationality and logic were always lacking ... but surely, they do try to find distractions and deploy them to take the focus from  the bc issue. 

For instance Lewinski is brought back to the rescue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hp, actually, their bad manners are just their inherent feature and the public display is due to their inability to contain emotions&#8211;they just have to gloat and deride at the same time to feed their self-esteem as they know that their rationality and logic were always lacking &#8230; but surely, they do try to find distractions and deploy them to take the focus from  the bc issue. </p>
<p>For instance Lewinski is brought back to the rescue.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One reason is that they are engaged in a very public display of their bad manners&lt;/i&gt;........

to maybe desperately distract from the truth that remains to be seen......

of his legitimate bc?

or lack thereof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One reason is that they are engaged in a very public display of their bad manners</i>&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>to maybe desperately distract from the truth that remains to be seen&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>of his legitimate bc?</p>
<p>or lack thereof?</p>
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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
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		<dc:creator>twobyfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NahnCee, of course TruthFirst (UntruthsCloseSecond) is not a liar. He/she/it has a &quot;rich inner life&quot;, populated at present by a real imaginary friend called Obama.... and having a hard time at present to tell apart this one from that one. 

Only one sentence has been verifiably said by that one: &quot;We will be making changes&quot;, although I seriously doubt BHO would use &quot;we&quot; in the context. Unless BHO switched to regal plural.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NahnCee, of course TruthFirst (UntruthsCloseSecond) is not a liar. He/she/it has a &#8220;rich inner life&#8221;, populated at present by a real imaginary friend called Obama&#8230;. and having a hard time at present to tell apart this one from that one. </p>
<p>Only one sentence has been verifiably said by that one: &#8220;We will be making changes&#8221;, although I seriously doubt BHO would use &#8220;we&#8221; in the context. Unless BHO switched to regal plural.</p>
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		<title>By: Agoraphobic Plumber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agoraphobic Plumber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L3: &quot;Commons dilemmas are very difficult to solve. The best way, in theory, is to privatize the commons. This might work with resource dilemmas, but it’s hard to see how we might do that with manners. Another approach is to impose costs on offenders, perhaps through social sanction, although that’s something we’re loath to do in modern American society. Yet another approach is through regulation, but this generally runs afoul of free speech rights. Works great in Singapore, though. Finally, we can use authority as a means of controlling behavior; the problem here, though, is that we’ve spent the better part of 4 decades undermining the very notion of legitimate authority.&quot;

I wonder if one might look at the situation in Iraq a little differently in light of your framing of bad manners.  The seamy underside of culture in Iraq in particular and the Arab world in general strikes me as bad manners writ large.  After all, what&#039;s less mannerly than blowing up a bunch of people in a market?

And terrorism, too, is a tragedy of the commons, and has proven very difficult indeed to deal with successfully.  Like bad manners, it seems that terrorism is most effectively dealt with in whole or in part through getting the broader society to reject the behavior.

And in the Arab world, it seems that places either have an iron hand of authority or very little at all.  The latter seems to be where most of the terrorism originates.

People, occasionally including myself, have been uncomfortable characterizing the fight against terrorism as a &quot;war&quot;, but nobody that I&#039;ve seen has been able to really put their finger on why.  When you have 60 guys attacking you with RPGs and machine guns, it seems like there should be little question that you&#039;re in a war.  But maybe it&#039;s just a case of really, really bad manners and a lack of caring about it.  Or maybe that&#039;s what war itself really is when you boil it down...but terrorism FEELS different somehow.  I just don&#039;t know how.

Hm.  Interesting thought.  Or not.  YMMV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L3: &#8220;Commons dilemmas are very difficult to solve. The best way, in theory, is to privatize the commons. This might work with resource dilemmas, but it’s hard to see how we might do that with manners. Another approach is to impose costs on offenders, perhaps through social sanction, although that’s something we’re loath to do in modern American society. Yet another approach is through regulation, but this generally runs afoul of free speech rights. Works great in Singapore, though. Finally, we can use authority as a means of controlling behavior; the problem here, though, is that we’ve spent the better part of 4 decades undermining the very notion of legitimate authority.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if one might look at the situation in Iraq a little differently in light of your framing of bad manners.  The seamy underside of culture in Iraq in particular and the Arab world in general strikes me as bad manners writ large.  After all, what&#8217;s less mannerly than blowing up a bunch of people in a market?</p>
<p>And terrorism, too, is a tragedy of the commons, and has proven very difficult indeed to deal with successfully.  Like bad manners, it seems that terrorism is most effectively dealt with in whole or in part through getting the broader society to reject the behavior.</p>
<p>And in the Arab world, it seems that places either have an iron hand of authority or very little at all.  The latter seems to be where most of the terrorism originates.</p>
<p>People, occasionally including myself, have been uncomfortable characterizing the fight against terrorism as a &#8220;war&#8221;, but nobody that I&#8217;ve seen has been able to really put their finger on why.  When you have 60 guys attacking you with RPGs and machine guns, it seems like there should be little question that you&#8217;re in a war.  But maybe it&#8217;s just a case of really, really bad manners and a lack of caring about it.  Or maybe that&#8217;s what war itself really is when you boil it down&#8230;but terrorism FEELS different somehow.  I just don&#8217;t know how.</p>
<p>Hm.  Interesting thought.  Or not.  YMMV.</p>
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		<title>By: Breaking: &#8220;President-elect&#8221; Not Official Post &#171; The Right Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaking: &#8220;President-elect&#8221; Not Official Post &#171; The Right Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] senses.  And Exhibit A of why this story is &#8220;news&#8221; to some would be Gail Collins and her impatient desire to crown a new king immediately, notwithstanding those little &#8220;technicalities&#8221; in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] senses.  And Exhibit A of why this story is &#8220;news&#8221; to some would be Gail Collins and her impatient desire to crown a new king immediately, notwithstanding those little &#8220;technicalities&#8221; in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TruthFirst claims to have spoken personally with O.  *THIS* is the kind of feedback our new president-elect is getting?!?  

Either TruthFirst is a First-class liar, or Obama is a bigger idjut than I had ever taken him for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TruthFirst claims to have spoken personally with O.  *THIS* is the kind of feedback our new president-elect is getting?!?  </p>
<p>Either TruthFirst is a First-class liar, or Obama is a bigger idjut than I had ever taken him for.</p>
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		<title>By: Reno Sepulveda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reno Sepulveda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush has kept an extremely low profile the last 4 months. The Republican convention was very telling at what an empty shell Bush and the GOP have become. Nowadays you get the feeling Bush is curled up in a fetal position in the Oval Office sobbing and occasionally motioning, weekly for Sec. Paulson to &quot;Just take care of it Hank&quot;.

Basically everybody is holdiong their breath until the inauguration.  Matthews and a few others are turning blue quicker than the rest of us that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush has kept an extremely low profile the last 4 months. The Republican convention was very telling at what an empty shell Bush and the GOP have become. Nowadays you get the feeling Bush is curled up in a fetal position in the Oval Office sobbing and occasionally motioning, weekly for Sec. Paulson to &#8220;Just take care of it Hank&#8221;.</p>
<p>Basically everybody is holdiong their breath until the inauguration.  Matthews and a few others are turning blue quicker than the rest of us that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>149.

A most excellent point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>149.</p>
<p>A most excellent point!</p>
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