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		<title>By: Storm-Rider</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/28/symphony-of-blood/comment-page-5/#comment-24678</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm-Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruby: &quot;Respectfully I must disagree that liberty is a God-given right, because Paul said in Colossians 3:22 (NASB) “Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth...&quot;

Also, Ruby, you may not have considered the fundamental truth of the Christian faith that Jesus came not for political revolution but for spiritual revolution - not to repair the prevailing unjust relationship between human government and the governed, but between God and man. Paul&#039;s admonition for the slave to obey an unjust form of human government can be understood in this light. 

It fell to our founding fathers to address the issue of political justice, i.e.: just government power deriving from the consent of the governed, and whose purpose is to secure our sacred, essential God-given human rights to life, liberty and (creative) pursuit of happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruby: &#8220;Respectfully I must disagree that liberty is a God-given right, because Paul said in Colossians 3:22 (NASB) “Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, Ruby, you may not have considered the fundamental truth of the Christian faith that Jesus came not for political revolution but for spiritual revolution &#8211; not to repair the prevailing unjust relationship between human government and the governed, but between God and man. Paul&#8217;s admonition for the slave to obey an unjust form of human government can be understood in this light. </p>
<p>It fell to our founding fathers to address the issue of political justice, i.e.: just government power deriving from the consent of the governed, and whose purpose is to secure our sacred, essential God-given human rights to life, liberty and (creative) pursuit of happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Storm-Rider</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/11/28/symphony-of-blood/comment-page-5/#comment-24676</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm-Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“One of the biggest obstacles to dealing with this mutating beast is the Western intelligensia’s perverse inclination to...&quot;

Intellegence and wisdom are two different things; something George Orwell understood perfectly.

“There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”  George Orwell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“One of the biggest obstacles to dealing with this mutating beast is the Western intelligensia’s perverse inclination to&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Intellegence and wisdom are two different things; something George Orwell understood perfectly.</p>
<p>“There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them.”  George Orwell</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 292 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 292 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SYMPHONY OF BLOOD&#8211; &#8220;Amir Taheri, who describes radical Islam as a beast with an extraordinary ability to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Byth Muster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byth Muster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“One of the biggest obstacles to dealing with this mutating beast is the Western intelligensia’s perverse inclination to assign altruistic or holy motives to what are purely criminal or political aims.”

Motive + Method (plan) + Opportunity + Target/victims = terror action.

In a free society, seems like it takes less resource to intercede on Motive, as it is a &quot;War of Ideas.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“One of the biggest obstacles to dealing with this mutating beast is the Western intelligensia’s perverse inclination to assign altruistic or holy motives to what are purely criminal or political aims.”</p>
<p>Motive + Method (plan) + Opportunity + Target/victims = terror action.</p>
<p>In a free society, seems like it takes less resource to intercede on Motive, as it is a &#8220;War of Ideas.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, in a republic, the rulers are subordinate to the law.  Thus, if they overstep their lawful powers, they are acting not on God given authority, but on power they have unjustly seized for themselves.  Once they have done this, rebelling against them is not a sin.  This is why the American Revolution was just- the King acted on powers that the Magna Carta said he does not have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, in a republic, the rulers are subordinate to the law.  Thus, if they overstep their lawful powers, they are acting not on God given authority, but on power they have unjustly seized for themselves.  Once they have done this, rebelling against them is not a sin.  This is why the American Revolution was just- the King acted on powers that the Magna Carta said he does not have.</p>
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		<title>By: M&#225;s sobre Bombay y sobre el fracaso de la prensa &#171; Sarah Palin en Español</title>
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		<dc:creator>M&#225;s sobre Bombay y sobre el fracaso de la prensa &#171; Sarah Palin en Español</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] También en Pajamas Media, Richard Fernández da en el clavo: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JJD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately, wars are not initiated with a clear-cut &amp; &quot;air-tight&quot; case. See the Iraq War for example. Provocation trumps evidentiary proof of complicity. Mumbai could very well be a tipping point. Denials from  Pakistan not-withstanding, there is now a very good argument in India for war with its problematic neighbor. Of course, there are ALWAYS good arguments against war. It is not so clear those arguments will be given the same sanction after this debacle. Someone has to pay for this. That&#039;s just the way it works. I think over the course of the next several years, it is going to suck to be Pakistan. US troops coming in on one side - Indian troops on the other. It may get to the point that the US has to execute a massive invasion to secure the nuclear facilities. Most of this scenarioe is far-fetched, at this point, and yet, the outline of a military alliance between the world&#039;s two largest democracies suddenly is emerging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately, wars are not initiated with a clear-cut &amp; &#8220;air-tight&#8221; case. See the Iraq War for example. Provocation trumps evidentiary proof of complicity. Mumbai could very well be a tipping point. Denials from  Pakistan not-withstanding, there is now a very good argument in India for war with its problematic neighbor. Of course, there are ALWAYS good arguments against war. It is not so clear those arguments will be given the same sanction after this debacle. Someone has to pay for this. That&#8217;s just the way it works. I think over the course of the next several years, it is going to suck to be Pakistan. US troops coming in on one side &#8211; Indian troops on the other. It may get to the point that the US has to execute a massive invasion to secure the nuclear facilities. Most of this scenarioe is far-fetched, at this point, and yet, the outline of a military alliance between the world&#8217;s two largest democracies suddenly is emerging.</p>
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		<title>By: ajacksonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajacksonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who commit &lt;a href=&quot;http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/10/well-what-is-your-definition-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;terrorism or piracy are one in the same&lt;/a&gt;, having taken up war on private terms to their own ends.  It does not matter if it is done for plunder or power, for religion or avarice, taking up war on one&#039;s own without warrant or commission of any Nation is abhorrent to civilization.  As Blackstone examined in the Common Law, so it is to this day and not limited to *just* piracy:

&quot;LASTLY, the crime of piracy, or robbery and depredation upon the high seas, is an offense against the universal law of society; a pirate being, according to Sir Edward Coke,10 hostis humani generis [enemy to mankind]. As therefore he has renounced all the benefits of society and government, and has reduced himself afresh to the savage state of nature, by declaring war against all mankind, all mankind must declare war against him: so that every community has a right, by the rule of self-defense, to inflict that punishment upon him, which every individual would in a state of nature have been otherwise entitled to do, any invasion of his person or personal property.&quot;

That is the lineage of the Common Law in the UK, US, India, Australia, Canada and any of the former Crown Colonies.  While the Nations that arose from those may seek to go back further to William for their Admiralty power, the basic understanding of that power that each sovereign Nation has is just the same.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/11/private-war-scourge-we-call-terrorism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Private War&lt;/a&gt; is something we agree to give up as an asserted right and liberty given to us by Nature.  It is a scourge when practiced, a true evil to inflict war without governance, without setting recourse for accountability, to put on no uniform and be answerable to no one.  There is no justification for it when practiced outside of any sanction given by sovereign Nations.  By taking up such negative liberty those who do so disdain all civilization and return to being in a State of Nature, red of tooth and claw.  For that we have the liberty to defend ourselves as individuals - no government may remove that right as it reappears the moment any individual is threatened.

When we lose this understanding of civilization, those who practice such ways reappear to threaten us, all of us.  Now we have pirates at sea and rogue terrorist organizations that will not answer to anyone, to any Nation, to any power save their own.  It is not the civilized world that has stepped away from them, but they are the ones who have decided to do this and stand against us all as our common enemy.  There is no difference between them, no justification that stands to reason, nothing that allows inflicting war without accountability save by those taking up defense against you.

They have chosen to resurrect the Law of Nature against all mankind and wage war on their terms.

Are we so decadent, in such a high state of decay, that we cannot say this and recognize it?  If that is the case we will be known as well as the Hittites were and Roman Empire... who succumbed to rogue forces at land and at sea and could fashion no response to save themselves.  They are both dead civilizations... are we next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who commit <a href="http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/10/well-what-is-your-definition-of.html" rel="nofollow">terrorism or piracy are one in the same</a>, having taken up war on private terms to their own ends.  It does not matter if it is done for plunder or power, for religion or avarice, taking up war on one&#8217;s own without warrant or commission of any Nation is abhorrent to civilization.  As Blackstone examined in the Common Law, so it is to this day and not limited to *just* piracy:</p>
<p>&#8220;LASTLY, the crime of piracy, or robbery and depredation upon the high seas, is an offense against the universal law of society; a pirate being, according to Sir Edward Coke,10 hostis humani generis [enemy to mankind]. As therefore he has renounced all the benefits of society and government, and has reduced himself afresh to the savage state of nature, by declaring war against all mankind, all mankind must declare war against him: so that every community has a right, by the rule of self-defense, to inflict that punishment upon him, which every individual would in a state of nature have been otherwise entitled to do, any invasion of his person or personal property.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the lineage of the Common Law in the UK, US, India, Australia, Canada and any of the former Crown Colonies.  While the Nations that arose from those may seek to go back further to William for their Admiralty power, the basic understanding of that power that each sovereign Nation has is just the same.  <a href="http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2008/11/private-war-scourge-we-call-terrorism.html" rel="nofollow">Private War</a> is something we agree to give up as an asserted right and liberty given to us by Nature.  It is a scourge when practiced, a true evil to inflict war without governance, without setting recourse for accountability, to put on no uniform and be answerable to no one.  There is no justification for it when practiced outside of any sanction given by sovereign Nations.  By taking up such negative liberty those who do so disdain all civilization and return to being in a State of Nature, red of tooth and claw.  For that we have the liberty to defend ourselves as individuals &#8211; no government may remove that right as it reappears the moment any individual is threatened.</p>
<p>When we lose this understanding of civilization, those who practice such ways reappear to threaten us, all of us.  Now we have pirates at sea and rogue terrorist organizations that will not answer to anyone, to any Nation, to any power save their own.  It is not the civilized world that has stepped away from them, but they are the ones who have decided to do this and stand against us all as our common enemy.  There is no difference between them, no justification that stands to reason, nothing that allows inflicting war without accountability save by those taking up defense against you.</p>
<p>They have chosen to resurrect the Law of Nature against all mankind and wage war on their terms.</p>
<p>Are we so decadent, in such a high state of decay, that we cannot say this and recognize it?  If that is the case we will be known as well as the Hittites were and Roman Empire&#8230; who succumbed to rogue forces at land and at sea and could fashion no response to save themselves.  They are both dead civilizations&#8230; are we next?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul M Hupf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul M Hupf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone considered that the assault on Mumbai may also be an exercise designed to test a plan for a more ambitious assault on a new target. All evidence to date indicates not only that the attackers were well armed, knew how to use their weapons, but had specific targets in mind. They were not engaged in a random exercise of violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered that the assault on Mumbai may also be an exercise designed to test a plan for a more ambitious assault on a new target. All evidence to date indicates not only that the attackers were well armed, knew how to use their weapons, but had specific targets in mind. They were not engaged in a random exercise of violence.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he should be tortured just exactly as much as he and his cohorts tortured their captives, especially the Jewish ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he should be tortured just exactly as much as he and his cohorts tortured their captives, especially the Jewish ones.</p>
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