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		<title>By: The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; Is a Nuclear Iran Inevitable?</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/11/thinking-the-no-longer-unthinkable/comment-page-3/#comment-26462</link>
		<dc:creator>The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; Is a Nuclear Iran Inevitable?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fernandez writing for Pajamas Media latches onto a significant report about the thinking of President-elect Obama and his team of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Whitehall</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/11/thinking-the-no-longer-unthinkable/comment-page-3/#comment-26318</link>
		<dc:creator>Whitehall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, a cobalt bomb is just one member of a class of weapons.  &quot;Salted&quot; nukes can use a number of target isotopes that absorb the excess neutrons from a fission or fission/fusion device.  They can be of any blast power that the designer can provide although adding a fusion reaction (aka hydrogen bomb) component gives one higher energy neutrons to work with.  (About 2 MeV for a pure fission device and up to 14 MeV for a fusion device.)

So yes, encasing a fission device in natural cobalt will activate a goodly portion of the cobalt to Co-60m (if memory serves) with a 5 year half life.  As a rule of thumb, after 5 half-lives the radiation levels are at 1% of intitial levels.  Using sodium, as in table salt, gives radiosodium (Na-24) with a 15 hour half life and a 2.7 MeV gamma.

I remember talk of an Israeli placement of nuclear &quot;mines&quot; (atomic demolition munitions or ADM) on the critical passes through the Negev desert, salted with sodium chloride in the days prior to the Egyptian peace settlement.  The idea being that an advancing Egyptian army would trigger the nuclear explosions, blanketing the passes with Na-24.  This could make passage lethal for enough days to allow Israelis to rally on a defensive line to the east and the destruction of the blocked forces to the west with air power.

Other elements suitable as the &quot;salt&quot; include gold, tantalum, and zinc.

None of these have publically been designed, built, or tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a cobalt bomb is just one member of a class of weapons.  &#8220;Salted&#8221; nukes can use a number of target isotopes that absorb the excess neutrons from a fission or fission/fusion device.  They can be of any blast power that the designer can provide although adding a fusion reaction (aka hydrogen bomb) component gives one higher energy neutrons to work with.  (About 2 MeV for a pure fission device and up to 14 MeV for a fusion device.)</p>
<p>So yes, encasing a fission device in natural cobalt will activate a goodly portion of the cobalt to Co-60m (if memory serves) with a 5 year half life.  As a rule of thumb, after 5 half-lives the radiation levels are at 1% of intitial levels.  Using sodium, as in table salt, gives radiosodium (Na-24) with a 15 hour half life and a 2.7 MeV gamma.</p>
<p>I remember talk of an Israeli placement of nuclear &#8220;mines&#8221; (atomic demolition munitions or ADM) on the critical passes through the Negev desert, salted with sodium chloride in the days prior to the Egyptian peace settlement.  The idea being that an advancing Egyptian army would trigger the nuclear explosions, blanketing the passes with Na-24.  This could make passage lethal for enough days to allow Israelis to rally on a defensive line to the east and the destruction of the blocked forces to the west with air power.</p>
<p>Other elements suitable as the &#8220;salt&#8221; include gold, tantalum, and zinc.</p>
<p>None of these have publically been designed, built, or tested.</p>
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		<title>By: WestGuard</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestGuard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^avenge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^avenge</p>
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		<title>By: WestGuard</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/11/thinking-the-no-longer-unthinkable/comment-page-3/#comment-26093</link>
		<dc:creator>WestGuard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s proposal is absurd. It&#039;s basically a pledge to revenge Israel after they&#039;re destroyed.
Iran&#039;s position and direction is clear and seemingy unalterable. Regardless of the many carrots or sticks we&#039;ve waved at Iran over the years their response has been a consistently defiant &quot;No power on earth can stop Iran from achieving it&#039;s nuclear goals&quot;

The world should take this nut Ahmedinejad  at his word and stop wasting time trying to appease him.
Better to bomb his dark fantasies with Bunker Busters now rather than retaliate his evil acts with nukes later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s proposal is absurd. It&#8217;s basically a pledge to revenge Israel after they&#8217;re destroyed.<br />
Iran&#8217;s position and direction is clear and seemingy unalterable. Regardless of the many carrots or sticks we&#8217;ve waved at Iran over the years their response has been a consistently defiant &#8220;No power on earth can stop Iran from achieving it&#8217;s nuclear goals&#8221;</p>
<p>The world should take this nut Ahmedinejad  at his word and stop wasting time trying to appease him.<br />
Better to bomb his dark fantasies with Bunker Busters now rather than retaliate his evil acts with nukes later.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred, the o phenom seeks to make reality from words, rather than words from reality. This is commonly attempted, but rarely so self-consciously, deliberately --and so far, successfully. It almost requires fealty. It can work if the whole world miraculously becomes the one realm. If that is to be, it better get packing --got a long way to go and not much time to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred, the o phenom seeks to make reality from words, rather than words from reality. This is commonly attempted, but rarely so self-consciously, deliberately &#8211;and so far, successfully. It almost requires fealty. It can work if the whole world miraculously becomes the one realm. If that is to be, it better get packing &#8211;got a long way to go and not much time to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What good is retaliation if it is not a deterrent?  That&#039;s the bottom line, the end point of the logic, of this whole issue/topic.  This is not a difficult thing to reason out of the entire morass of every wrinkle, wriggle, angle, nook and cranny of all the nuances of policy talk.

Israel has not the luxury of trail and error.  It is such a small nation of a densely packed population that one huge nuclear weapon or even a couple decent sized ones pretty much wipe that nation out.

If you can reasonably calculate, based on prior statements and the operative theology of the enemy, that MAD would not work, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DENY THE TRUTH AND CONTINUE TO THINK THAT IT WOULD WORK?  It is insanity or an exercise in mental masturbation to dally on in endless discussions - no matter how sophisticated those discussions are - about how Obama&#039;s policy could work.  It won&#039;t.  It rests on faulty premises not based in fact.

I still marvel that people who are supposedly educated could see this thing in a way that is so at variance with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What good is retaliation if it is not a deterrent?  That&#8217;s the bottom line, the end point of the logic, of this whole issue/topic.  This is not a difficult thing to reason out of the entire morass of every wrinkle, wriggle, angle, nook and cranny of all the nuances of policy talk.</p>
<p>Israel has not the luxury of trail and error.  It is such a small nation of a densely packed population that one huge nuclear weapon or even a couple decent sized ones pretty much wipe that nation out.</p>
<p>If you can reasonably calculate, based on prior statements and the operative theology of the enemy, that MAD would not work, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DENY THE TRUTH AND CONTINUE TO THINK THAT IT WOULD WORK?  It is insanity or an exercise in mental masturbation to dally on in endless discussions &#8211; no matter how sophisticated those discussions are &#8211; about how Obama&#8217;s policy could work.  It won&#8217;t.  It rests on faulty premises not based in fact.</p>
<p>I still marvel that people who are supposedly educated could see this thing in a way that is so at variance with reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Common Sense Political Thought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A totally unworkable idea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common Sense Political Thought &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A totally unworkable idea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard Fernandez offers an interesting analysis as to rational motivations behind a potential U.S.-Israel nuclear alliance: From a certain point of view the only thing worse than an Iran with nuclear weapons is the prospect of an Israeli retaliation to an attack, which however justified, could only create eternal enmity with its neighbors. But if the retaliation could be left to America, that might have the virtue of preventing Israel from retaliating, thereby preventing other regional nuclear powers (who presumably emerge in response to a nuclear Iran) from explaining to their outraged populations why they ought not punish the Jews for using atomic bombs. Maybe there is the belief that an American retaliation to an Iranian strike would be more politically acceptable than an Israeli one. With an American deterrent in play Israel could be cut out of the deterrent process — and this would be desirable from a political point of view. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Richard Fernandez offers an interesting analysis as to rational motivations behind a potential U.S.-Israel nuclear alliance: From a certain point of view the only thing worse than an Iran with nuclear weapons is the prospect of an Israeli retaliation to an attack, which however justified, could only create eternal enmity with its neighbors. But if the retaliation could be left to America, that might have the virtue of preventing Israel from retaliating, thereby preventing other regional nuclear powers (who presumably emerge in response to a nuclear Iran) from explaining to their outraged populations why they ought not punish the Jews for using atomic bombs. Maybe there is the belief that an American retaliation to an Iranian strike would be more politically acceptable than an Israeli one. With an American deterrent in play Israel could be cut out of the deterrent process — and this would be desirable from a political point of view. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Israel were willing to trust Obama to retaliate for them against a nuclear attack, they still wouldn&#039;t dare give up their arsenal.  They need it to defend against a conventional invasion.  Israel&#039;s Samson Option calls for unrestricted nuclear war against any potentially hostile nation in the event Israel is hit by either a nuclear weapon OR a massive conventional invasion which their conventional forces cannot repel.

Nothing we, Obama, or the Arabs do can destroy Israel.  Numerous Jews may die, but Israel itself is indestructible.  The Lord will see to that, I assure you.

As for poisoning the environment, if that is the goal, then a Cobalt bomb is your weapon of choice.  It&#039;s blast yield is in the low kiloton range, but it leaves behind massive quantities of Cobalt-60, which renders large areas of land uninhabitable for 50 years.  This is because it is a beta-emitter, but 60% of its decay energy is released as gamma radiation.  Thus, it has a massive power source to draw on to emit highly penetrating gamma radiation.  Interestingly enough, the Bible does speak of Tyre and Sidon being destroyed and left uninhabited for 70 years before being rebuilt.  This is consistent with being hit by a Cobalt bomb.  Read Isaiah 23 for details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Israel were willing to trust Obama to retaliate for them against a nuclear attack, they still wouldn&#8217;t dare give up their arsenal.  They need it to defend against a conventional invasion.  Israel&#8217;s Samson Option calls for unrestricted nuclear war against any potentially hostile nation in the event Israel is hit by either a nuclear weapon OR a massive conventional invasion which their conventional forces cannot repel.</p>
<p>Nothing we, Obama, or the Arabs do can destroy Israel.  Numerous Jews may die, but Israel itself is indestructible.  The Lord will see to that, I assure you.</p>
<p>As for poisoning the environment, if that is the goal, then a Cobalt bomb is your weapon of choice.  It&#8217;s blast yield is in the low kiloton range, but it leaves behind massive quantities of Cobalt-60, which renders large areas of land uninhabitable for 50 years.  This is because it is a beta-emitter, but 60% of its decay energy is released as gamma radiation.  Thus, it has a massive power source to draw on to emit highly penetrating gamma radiation.  Interestingly enough, the Bible does speak of Tyre and Sidon being destroyed and left uninhabited for 70 years before being rebuilt.  This is consistent with being hit by a Cobalt bomb.  Read Isaiah 23 for details.</p>
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		<title>By: Utopia Parkway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Utopia Parkway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline Glick in today&#039;s jpost talks about what she thinks will happen with the new administrations in Israel and the US.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728164511&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Column One: Netanyahu&#039;s grand coalition&lt;/a&gt;  She&#039;s expecting a full court press from Obama&#039;s team to pressure Israel to make territorial and other concessions to the Arabs.  She offers her advice and criticism to Netanyahu regarding what he should do to withstand the pressure.

She says that Netanyahu spent his entire first term as PM fending off President Clinton&#039;s attempts to force him out of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline Glick in today&#8217;s jpost talks about what she thinks will happen with the new administrations in Israel and the US.  <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1228728164511&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" rel="nofollow">Column One: Netanyahu&#8217;s grand coalition</a>  She&#8217;s expecting a full court press from Obama&#8217;s team to pressure Israel to make territorial and other concessions to the Arabs.  She offers her advice and criticism to Netanyahu regarding what he should do to withstand the pressure.</p>
<p>She says that Netanyahu spent his entire first term as PM fending off President Clinton&#8217;s attempts to force him out of office.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/11/thinking-the-no-longer-unthinkable/comment-page-3/#comment-26021</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>programmer @ #130; it must be contagious, that over-caffeinated restlessness. Yep, fer sher the schoolmarms have kept us long at our little desks doing our little lessons --tic tic tic --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>programmer @ #130; it must be contagious, that over-caffeinated restlessness. Yep, fer sher the schoolmarms have kept us long at our little desks doing our little lessons &#8211;tic tic tic &#8211;</p>
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