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		<title>By: Spindok</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2008/12/19/the-700-euro-club/comment-page-1/#comment-27286</link>
		<dc:creator>Spindok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disenfranchised youth? 

Yes the euros have created a society in which jobs are near-permanent once you have one.  Seniority is everything. 

In the US there are such things but more limited to certain fields. 

Oddly enough, these are mostly university students with a major complaint about the education system. Education is one such field here (I know, I am married to a teacher).

There are some good reasons for that but that is a whole different discussion.  Education is somewhat seperated from the &#039;market&#039;.  Engineering should never be.

So, I am on vacation in Mexico talking to an obviously talented and personable Swiss man in his late 20&#039;s.  He was the hotel executive in charge of such things as business-style functions and requests of guests for something a bit &#039;out of the ordinary&#039;.

I do not know the title of his position but he was exceptionally good at doing it.  In my case it was arranging a Passover Seder for two Jewish families in a Puerto Vallarta resort.  It went perfectly - except we didnt need a whole dang quarter roasted lamb - just a little burned bone. Fine all the same. 

We had a martini together one night and he told me that in his homeland, despite all of his abilities; he could speak 4+ languages fluently and several others reasonably well, he has several degrees from respected Universities. He could not get a job in his home country or anywhere nearby. Basically the paradox of &quot;you cant get a job without years of experience&quot;.

That is not a good situation anywhere.  I am a Medical Doctor and have taught students and residents.  Every time I do that I know that my time is limited and we need the next one to pick up the torch, or the needle or catheter in my particular field.

If the students are pissed I can understand.

Getting the &quot;A&quot; in Organic Chemistry or something else equally difficult has its own rewards but those are short lived when your little car craps out and you dont even have the prospect of a better life ahead.

I have no easy solution to this.  It is the obligation of those with more grey hairs to step back, educate, and make way.

Spindok</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disenfranchised youth? </p>
<p>Yes the euros have created a society in which jobs are near-permanent once you have one.  Seniority is everything. </p>
<p>In the US there are such things but more limited to certain fields. </p>
<p>Oddly enough, these are mostly university students with a major complaint about the education system. Education is one such field here (I know, I am married to a teacher).</p>
<p>There are some good reasons for that but that is a whole different discussion.  Education is somewhat seperated from the &#8216;market&#8217;.  Engineering should never be.</p>
<p>So, I am on vacation in Mexico talking to an obviously talented and personable Swiss man in his late 20&#8217;s.  He was the hotel executive in charge of such things as business-style functions and requests of guests for something a bit &#8216;out of the ordinary&#8217;.</p>
<p>I do not know the title of his position but he was exceptionally good at doing it.  In my case it was arranging a Passover Seder for two Jewish families in a Puerto Vallarta resort.  It went perfectly &#8211; except we didnt need a whole dang quarter roasted lamb &#8211; just a little burned bone. Fine all the same. </p>
<p>We had a martini together one night and he told me that in his homeland, despite all of his abilities; he could speak 4+ languages fluently and several others reasonably well, he has several degrees from respected Universities. He could not get a job in his home country or anywhere nearby. Basically the paradox of &#8220;you cant get a job without years of experience&#8221;.</p>
<p>That is not a good situation anywhere.  I am a Medical Doctor and have taught students and residents.  Every time I do that I know that my time is limited and we need the next one to pick up the torch, or the needle or catheter in my particular field.</p>
<p>If the students are pissed I can understand.</p>
<p>Getting the &#8220;A&#8221; in Organic Chemistry or something else equally difficult has its own rewards but those are short lived when your little car craps out and you dont even have the prospect of a better life ahead.</p>
<p>I have no easy solution to this.  It is the obligation of those with more grey hairs to step back, educate, and make way.</p>
<p>Spindok</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The objection that I have is that these twerps are responsible for preserving our irreplaceable physical heritage.  Notre Dame as a mosque? cut the remains of the Acropolis up to make one?
They want to imbed one in London.  
These are our ANCESTRAL HOMES.
They want to abandon it to the goths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The objection that I have is that these twerps are responsible for preserving our irreplaceable physical heritage.  Notre Dame as a mosque? cut the remains of the Acropolis up to make one?<br />
They want to imbed one in London.<br />
These are our ANCESTRAL HOMES.<br />
They want to abandon it to the goths.</p>
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		<title>By: cjm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cjm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agrarian collectives are the answer, with special prizes for the largest yam, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agrarian collectives are the answer, with special prizes for the largest yam, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; women (who generally prefer a soft polygamy&lt;/i&gt;

Not the women I know.</description>
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<p>Not the women I know.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll see rioting and marching in the streets when the black folks who are union members and voted in Obama realize that Bush&#039;s temporary bail-out of Detroit was just to see them through Christmas, and there&#039;s not a damned thing Obama can do to save their jobs and their lifestyles.

Unless Obama wants to nationalize the car industry so that (white) taxpayers are paying for those outrageous union wages, and then the rioting will be done by whites pissed off at having their tax dollars used to maintain a dead industry.

I wonder how many other poison pills Dubya has left for Obama to trip over and explode in the coming months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll see rioting and marching in the streets when the black folks who are union members and voted in Obama realize that Bush&#8217;s temporary bail-out of Detroit was just to see them through Christmas, and there&#8217;s not a damned thing Obama can do to save their jobs and their lifestyles.</p>
<p>Unless Obama wants to nationalize the car industry so that (white) taxpayers are paying for those outrageous union wages, and then the rioting will be done by whites pissed off at having their tax dollars used to maintain a dead industry.</p>
<p>I wonder how many other poison pills Dubya has left for Obama to trip over and explode in the coming months.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sparky -- an Ipod does not replace a wife and family. We are reaching the limits of substitution with cheap consumer goods for the biological drive for family.

One way or another that cost will be paid.

Technology and PC makes violence cheap and easy. Therefore, I expect a lot more of violence from the losers to upend the winners.

What, a female dominated society is going to call out the police? The Army? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sparky &#8212; an Ipod does not replace a wife and family. We are reaching the limits of substitution with cheap consumer goods for the biological drive for family.</p>
<p>One way or another that cost will be paid.</p>
<p>Technology and PC makes violence cheap and easy. Therefore, I expect a lot more of violence from the losers to upend the winners.</p>
<p>What, a female dominated society is going to call out the police? The Army? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: ricpic</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricpic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The obscenity called socialism marches on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obscenity called socialism marches on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To compare European youth today to the generation that lost most of its males to the Great War is just ludicrous.  For one thing, those rioters are alive, and they will likely live to a ripe old age.  For another, they have TVs and MP3 players.  Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To compare European youth today to the generation that lost most of its males to the Great War is just ludicrous.  For one thing, those rioters are alive, and they will likely live to a ripe old age.  For another, they have TVs and MP3 players.  Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think people are missing what is going on here.

It&#039;s not PC itself (which is the symptom not the disease). It&#039;s not multiculturalism itself either, or the sclerotic social and economic policies that lock in the advantaged and disadvantage young men.

These are all merely symptoms of cultural, political, and social power shifting from one group to another.

Which is the shift in all Western nations from male-dominance to female dominance.

Sclerotic, stasis-driven economies with status and connections determining who &quot;wins&quot; and who &quot;loses&quot; in a zero-sum game with no expansion of total opportunities?

That&#039;s a classic case of a female-dominated society with defacto aristocracies. Or more to the point, single women. Who enjoy &quot;relative&quot; (though rapidly declining) secure, &quot;hip&quot; urban environments and prolonged single hood, with &quot;hip&quot; and &quot;fashionable&quot; clothes, politics, and so on ending in single motherhood or simply being alone.

We are seeing that in the US as well, anyone watching HGTV can see the same types of people show up again and again in &quot;Househunters&quot; and &quot;Househunters International&quot; coming from the same international single young yuppie class for the most part. Desiring &quot;hip/young&quot; places in urban centers to be &quot;cool&quot; in the status fights for mating/dating/socializing that simply never ends.

The US Census Bureau announced that it is measuring &quot;parenthood&quot; in a new way, to combat the plague of single-motherhood: any two people cohabitating with children in the household however briefly are defined as &quot;parents&quot; no matter the biological or matrimonial relationships. So if Mom&#039;s boyfriend lives with her a month, that&#039;s a two-parent family.

Yes of course young Greek Men, who have no chance at a family, or for many of them any significant dating/relationship opportunities (the women being soaked up in the &quot;soft&quot; Polygamy of Europe/America&#039;s rich urban centers of a few hereditary male winners), are rioting. 

Wow, what a concept. Men fighting over women! Who could have thought that would happen in &quot;enlightened&quot; socialist Europe? Heck it&#039;s the whole point of a socialist economy/culture. Advantaging women (who generally prefer a soft polygamy) and a few hereditary male winners.

Is this system stable? I would say not. There is simply too many male losers who can use violence to even the odds. &quot;Burn the system down&quot; to make the hereditary male winners into losers, and perhaps kick out the supports for single mothers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think people are missing what is going on here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not PC itself (which is the symptom not the disease). It&#8217;s not multiculturalism itself either, or the sclerotic social and economic policies that lock in the advantaged and disadvantage young men.</p>
<p>These are all merely symptoms of cultural, political, and social power shifting from one group to another.</p>
<p>Which is the shift in all Western nations from male-dominance to female dominance.</p>
<p>Sclerotic, stasis-driven economies with status and connections determining who &#8220;wins&#8221; and who &#8220;loses&#8221; in a zero-sum game with no expansion of total opportunities?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a classic case of a female-dominated society with defacto aristocracies. Or more to the point, single women. Who enjoy &#8220;relative&#8221; (though rapidly declining) secure, &#8220;hip&#8221; urban environments and prolonged single hood, with &#8220;hip&#8221; and &#8220;fashionable&#8221; clothes, politics, and so on ending in single motherhood or simply being alone.</p>
<p>We are seeing that in the US as well, anyone watching HGTV can see the same types of people show up again and again in &#8220;Househunters&#8221; and &#8220;Househunters International&#8221; coming from the same international single young yuppie class for the most part. Desiring &#8220;hip/young&#8221; places in urban centers to be &#8220;cool&#8221; in the status fights for mating/dating/socializing that simply never ends.</p>
<p>The US Census Bureau announced that it is measuring &#8220;parenthood&#8221; in a new way, to combat the plague of single-motherhood: any two people cohabitating with children in the household however briefly are defined as &#8220;parents&#8221; no matter the biological or matrimonial relationships. So if Mom&#8217;s boyfriend lives with her a month, that&#8217;s a two-parent family.</p>
<p>Yes of course young Greek Men, who have no chance at a family, or for many of them any significant dating/relationship opportunities (the women being soaked up in the &#8220;soft&#8221; Polygamy of Europe/America&#8217;s rich urban centers of a few hereditary male winners), are rioting. </p>
<p>Wow, what a concept. Men fighting over women! Who could have thought that would happen in &#8220;enlightened&#8221; socialist Europe? Heck it&#8217;s the whole point of a socialist economy/culture. Advantaging women (who generally prefer a soft polygamy) and a few hereditary male winners.</p>
<p>Is this system stable? I would say not. There is simply too many male losers who can use violence to even the odds. &#8220;Burn the system down&#8221; to make the hereditary male winners into losers, and perhaps kick out the supports for single mothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Insufficiently Sensitive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insufficiently Sensitive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...the younger Europeans possess a fund of anger which is now in the process of being tapped.&lt;/i&gt;

In the USA, the Obama campaign just finished tapping into a lavish fund of anger against the Bush administration, the younger citizens (and illegals) foremost.  How was much was invested into that fund by our one-track media is worthy of thought.  

So far, outside of the ACORN cadres, there has been no success at instigating street mobs, and the CarBQue is still an unfamiliar sight here.  But starting this winter, with the paroxysm of government seizure of command and control of industries, and the enormous eruption of taxpayer dollars into a dubious economy (with enormous opportunities for Chicago-style graft once those dollars get down to cadre level), we might see some &#039;direct action&#039; by the frustrated, no matter whose politics they profess.  They might hope for a truckload or two of said dollars, if they&#039;ll just lighten up a tad.  Fair&#039;s fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;the younger Europeans possess a fund of anger which is now in the process of being tapped.</i></p>
<p>In the USA, the Obama campaign just finished tapping into a lavish fund of anger against the Bush administration, the younger citizens (and illegals) foremost.  How was much was invested into that fund by our one-track media is worthy of thought.  </p>
<p>So far, outside of the ACORN cadres, there has been no success at instigating street mobs, and the CarBQue is still an unfamiliar sight here.  But starting this winter, with the paroxysm of government seizure of command and control of industries, and the enormous eruption of taxpayer dollars into a dubious economy (with enormous opportunities for Chicago-style graft once those dollars get down to cadre level), we might see some &#8216;direct action&#8217; by the frustrated, no matter whose politics they profess.  They might hope for a truckload or two of said dollars, if they&#8217;ll just lighten up a tad.  Fair&#8217;s fair.</p>
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