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		<title>By: Al_Batross</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/11/breakfast-of-champions/comment-page-2/#comment-29953</link>
		<dc:creator>Al_Batross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely with buckets at 74.
I do concede that Damon has a point, but in saner times simple and helpful programs on BBC tv and radio would have been seen as the answer, instead of which the BBC now offers a diet of foul-mouthed and obnoxious &quot;celebrity chefs&quot;.
The whole Food Champions idea simply reeks of intrusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely with buckets at 74.<br />
I do concede that Damon has a point, but in saner times simple and helpful programs on BBC tv and radio would have been seen as the answer, instead of which the BBC now offers a diet of foul-mouthed and obnoxious &#8220;celebrity chefs&#8221;.<br />
The whole Food Champions idea simply reeks of intrusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rurik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rurik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barry 0351,

Absolutely! Think of the advertising slogans:
&quot;Food champions are champion food!&quot;
&quot;Long Pig - the other, other White meat.&quot;</description>
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<p>Absolutely! Think of the advertising slogans:<br />
&#8220;Food champions are champion food!&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Long Pig &#8211; the other, other White meat.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: barry 0351</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fix for this is simple.
Folks in England need to kill, cook and eat the food champions when they show up, problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fix for this is simple.<br />
Folks in England need to kill, cook and eat the food champions when they show up, problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Wadeusaf</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/11/breakfast-of-champions/comment-page-2/#comment-29727</link>
		<dc:creator>Wadeusaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&quot;I challenge you, fellow commenters, to say where today’s young families are getting this education/advice. So, if proper food management and food preparation for many families is a problem...?&lt;/b&gt;

Google LDS Food storage, for starters. There are massive amounts of information to be digested. Even some government sites are helpful, if you visit (just don&#039;t subscribe to them)!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;I challenge you, fellow commenters, to say where today’s young families are getting this education/advice. So, if proper food management and food preparation for many families is a problem&#8230;?</b></p>
<p>Google LDS Food storage, for starters. There are massive amounts of information to be digested. Even some government sites are helpful, if you visit (just don&#8217;t subscribe to them)!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Steynian 308 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steynian 308 &#171; Free Canuckistan!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ORWELLISTAN&#8211; &#8220;WRAP your head around this. The Telegraph reports that “food champions” will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rurik</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/01/11/breakfast-of-champions/comment-page-2/#comment-29695</link>
		<dc:creator>Rurik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ricpic,

Rudeness. Ridicule, sarcasm, a thoroughly bad attitude,and a laugh in their face. There&#039;s the solution. I can barely wait till those chow commissars arrive unbidden at my door. It will be fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ricpic,</p>
<p>Rudeness. Ridicule, sarcasm, a thoroughly bad attitude,and a laugh in their face. There&#8217;s the solution. I can barely wait till those chow commissars arrive unbidden at my door. It will be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Roderick Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roderick Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;Damon has a point. I have children who very much want to reduce expenses in the present economic situation. I did not teach them in the 1960s what I learned from my parents out of necessity in the 1930s, who had learned from their immigrant parents in the 1910s. &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;I challenge you, fellow commenters, to say where today’s young families are getting this education/advice. So, if proper food management and food preparation for many families is a problem,&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;

What you&#039;re implying, in taking Damon&#039;s heavily disguised bit of satire seriously, is that the family unit in the western world has been effectively decimated, so you want to roll over and cave to the very kinds of people who helped make this happen just so you would go running to them for help.

Would it not make more sense to insist on a return to sanity and common sense, and yes &quot;family values?&quot; I find it astonishing, baffling, and pathetic that &quot;young families&quot; or &quot;young people&quot; are so infantilized tha they can&#039;t figure out the leftovers concept, or why it should even be considered wothwhile to waste any sociopolitical or bureaucratic energy on something as trivial as encouraging the keeping of leftovers in a society that -- deep recession or not -- is still one of abundance. And, by the way, I&#039;m willing to bet a whole bunch of money that plenty of young people/families/teen trolls, whatever, are perfectly capable and economical in their food choices and food preparation, and don&#039;t need anybody&#039;s help, thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"Damon has a point. I have children who very much want to reduce expenses in the present economic situation. I did not teach them in the 1960s what I learned from my parents out of necessity in the 1930s, who had learned from their immigrant parents in the 1910s. &#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"I challenge you, fellow commenters, to say where today’s young families are getting this education/advice. So, if proper food management and food preparation for many families is a problem,&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"&#8221;"</p>
<p>What you&#8217;re implying, in taking Damon&#8217;s heavily disguised bit of satire seriously, is that the family unit in the western world has been effectively decimated, so you want to roll over and cave to the very kinds of people who helped make this happen just so you would go running to them for help.</p>
<p>Would it not make more sense to insist on a return to sanity and common sense, and yes &#8220;family values?&#8221; I find it astonishing, baffling, and pathetic that &#8220;young families&#8221; or &#8220;young people&#8221; are so infantilized tha they can&#8217;t figure out the leftovers concept, or why it should even be considered wothwhile to waste any sociopolitical or bureaucratic energy on something as trivial as encouraging the keeping of leftovers in a society that &#8212; deep recession or not &#8212; is still one of abundance. And, by the way, I&#8217;m willing to bet a whole bunch of money that plenty of young people/families/teen trolls, whatever, are perfectly capable and economical in their food choices and food preparation, and don&#8217;t need anybody&#8217;s help, thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have our own interesting nanny state issue about to rock the USA on Feb 10 when the Consuer Products Safety Improvement Act takes effect. We got this well meaning doozy passed for us last August.

It is concerned with lead and phthalates in childrens toys, clothes, shoes, etc.

Lead is well known to be bad for kids (and adults) and the scares due to chinese leaded paint on toys primed the pump for the legislation. Phthalates are suspected endocrine disruptors that are also scary to parents.

So they got banned, ok, seems reasonable so far.

Well the law mandates that all such toys and clothes be tested and any untested items are then classified as hazardous. Uh, hmmm, ok. At this point you might be sensing the potential for logistical and technical arrangements that will need to be made.

Now think about the economics of this. It requires every single piece of childrens clothing, shoes, and toys to be tested. How much inventory will be able to pass this threshold? How many retailers will be able to stock only certified lines of merchandise? How about second hand stores (speaking of leftovers)? This would destroy any recycling of useful clothing and childrens goods through such venerable institutions as Goodwill or the local church garage sale.

In fact the Consumer Products Safety Commission is now desperately trying to arrange &quot;exemptions&quot; to prevent the law from applying to yard sales, second hand stores, and consignment shops.

As a research chemist I can tell you that each test will be expensive, take time, and also require facilities and analytical chemists (who will need certifications...) that don&#039;t exist yet. This will require analytical instruments capable of measuring metals (lead) and other different instruments for measuring organic semivolatiles (phthalates). These instruments, likely ICP-MS and GC-MS, cost between $100k and $250k each, without maintenance or consumables. They also require some fairly skilled personnel. 

This is an extremely UNfunded mandate. Traditionally the costs are passed on to the consumers, but these burdens will destroy the retailer before they are able to market the product.

Oh by the way. There&#039;s probably not many plastics made that won&#039;t test positive for phthalates. I&#039;ve done years of analytical work on GC-MS and there was phthalate contamination in every sample that ever touched a plastic surface. Phthalates provide the flexibility to the polymeric materials. They are ubiquitous in our society.

Aren&#039;t childrens toys usually plastic....

We&#039;ll see where this goes shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have our own interesting nanny state issue about to rock the USA on Feb 10 when the Consuer Products Safety Improvement Act takes effect. We got this well meaning doozy passed for us last August.</p>
<p>It is concerned with lead and phthalates in childrens toys, clothes, shoes, etc.</p>
<p>Lead is well known to be bad for kids (and adults) and the scares due to chinese leaded paint on toys primed the pump for the legislation. Phthalates are suspected endocrine disruptors that are also scary to parents.</p>
<p>So they got banned, ok, seems reasonable so far.</p>
<p>Well the law mandates that all such toys and clothes be tested and any untested items are then classified as hazardous. Uh, hmmm, ok. At this point you might be sensing the potential for logistical and technical arrangements that will need to be made.</p>
<p>Now think about the economics of this. It requires every single piece of childrens clothing, shoes, and toys to be tested. How much inventory will be able to pass this threshold? How many retailers will be able to stock only certified lines of merchandise? How about second hand stores (speaking of leftovers)? This would destroy any recycling of useful clothing and childrens goods through such venerable institutions as Goodwill or the local church garage sale.</p>
<p>In fact the Consumer Products Safety Commission is now desperately trying to arrange &#8220;exemptions&#8221; to prevent the law from applying to yard sales, second hand stores, and consignment shops.</p>
<p>As a research chemist I can tell you that each test will be expensive, take time, and also require facilities and analytical chemists (who will need certifications&#8230;) that don&#8217;t exist yet. This will require analytical instruments capable of measuring metals (lead) and other different instruments for measuring organic semivolatiles (phthalates). These instruments, likely ICP-MS and GC-MS, cost between $100k and $250k each, without maintenance or consumables. They also require some fairly skilled personnel. </p>
<p>This is an extremely UNfunded mandate. Traditionally the costs are passed on to the consumers, but these burdens will destroy the retailer before they are able to market the product.</p>
<p>Oh by the way. There&#8217;s probably not many plastics made that won&#8217;t test positive for phthalates. I&#8217;ve done years of analytical work on GC-MS and there was phthalate contamination in every sample that ever touched a plastic surface. Phthalates provide the flexibility to the polymeric materials. They are ubiquitous in our society.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t childrens toys usually plastic&#8230;.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see where this goes shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: buckets</title>
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		<dc:creator>buckets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaba - didn&#039;t see your post before. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaba &#8211; didn&#8217;t see your post before. Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: buckets</title>
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		<dc:creator>buckets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is your laptop opened to a webpage espousing hate speech? 

There is no 1st Amendment in the U.K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your laptop opened to a webpage espousing hate speech? </p>
<p>There is no 1st Amendment in the U.K.</p>
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