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		<title>By: Wake Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wake Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The REAL problem is this: the fundamental tenet of Islam is that anything that is not Islam is &quot;OTHER&quot; and thus of no significance. So, while we have these wonderful e-discussions (roughly the same as mediaeval monks arguning how many angels would fit on a pinhead), the Muslims just keep on a&#039;coming...  A

Assuming that we still have enough law left to work with at all, there is no doubt that all immigration laws applying to Muslims must immediately be reversed and become deportation/repatriation laws. Nothing less will work - and it&#039;s probably too late anyway, civil war(s) will be inevitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The REAL problem is this: the fundamental tenet of Islam is that anything that is not Islam is &#8220;OTHER&#8221; and thus of no significance. So, while we have these wonderful e-discussions (roughly the same as mediaeval monks arguning how many angels would fit on a pinhead), the Muslims just keep on a&#8217;coming&#8230;  A</p>
<p>Assuming that we still have enough law left to work with at all, there is no doubt that all immigration laws applying to Muslims must immediately be reversed and become deportation/repatriation laws. Nothing less will work &#8211; and it&#8217;s probably too late anyway, civil war(s) will be inevitable.</p>
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		<title>By: BL@KBIRD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BL@KBIRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent article but I can&#039;t help but feel Islam has been minimized unfairly as the minor actor in this tale. Yes the left has it&#039;s sickness and yes they champion poor little Islam but the left are not by nature pragmatic or as comparably dangerous as Islam is. It is clear what must be done....Islam must be undone and eliminated in order to save ourselves and free the Muslims from a millennium and a half of rapacious parasitism that has rendered one fifth of mankind ignorant, supremacist, and always potentially murderous Jackals.

The film clip is an apt analogy to spreading the dark message of Islam to it&#039;s prey. It is as though some entity protects the spread of the black truth of Islam. And now it will likely be made against the law as so recently witnessed in Holland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent article but I can&#8217;t help but feel Islam has been minimized unfairly as the minor actor in this tale. Yes the left has it&#8217;s sickness and yes they champion poor little Islam but the left are not by nature pragmatic or as comparably dangerous as Islam is. It is clear what must be done&#8230;.Islam must be undone and eliminated in order to save ourselves and free the Muslims from a millennium and a half of rapacious parasitism that has rendered one fifth of mankind ignorant, supremacist, and always potentially murderous Jackals.</p>
<p>The film clip is an apt analogy to spreading the dark message of Islam to it&#8217;s prey. It is as though some entity protects the spread of the black truth of Islam. And now it will likely be made against the law as so recently witnessed in Holland.</p>
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		<title>By: djr</title>
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		<dc:creator>djr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 Bart, that&#039;s a really interesting take!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 Bart, that&#8217;s a really interesting take!</p>
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		<title>By: Storm-Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storm-Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred is right; the elite leaders of Europe do not value human liberty. Europe has had a paradigm shift from rightist monarchy to leftist dictatorship, but the same sort of elite class of Europeans continue to sit astride their lessers - their little peasants - just as Plato instructed. These European elites, the ruling Marxist/Socialist class, are now the European &quot;Philosopher Kings&quot;; and what does it matter if they are of rightist or leftist origin? I would say the leftist method of Karl Marx is more cunning and successful because it is guised in the clothing of economic equality (government forced, and of a low order) and Orwellian &quot;social justice&quot; i.e.: social injustice. Except for the relatively brief periods of the Greek and Roman Republics, and a brief post WWII period, Europe has been a continent of tyranny and injustice where, to turn a phrase, the mass of mankind has been born with saddles on their backs, with a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately.

“All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”  Thomas Jefferson

&quot;The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.&quot;  Thomas Jefferson

The question now is whether the American Revolution is still alive, or are we in the process of reverting to the ways of Plato and Old Europe? Is the American Revolution over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred is right; the elite leaders of Europe do not value human liberty. Europe has had a paradigm shift from rightist monarchy to leftist dictatorship, but the same sort of elite class of Europeans continue to sit astride their lessers &#8211; their little peasants &#8211; just as Plato instructed. These European elites, the ruling Marxist/Socialist class, are now the European &#8220;Philosopher Kings&#8221;; and what does it matter if they are of rightist or leftist origin? I would say the leftist method of Karl Marx is more cunning and successful because it is guised in the clothing of economic equality (government forced, and of a low order) and Orwellian &#8220;social justice&#8221; i.e.: social injustice. Except for the relatively brief periods of the Greek and Roman Republics, and a brief post WWII period, Europe has been a continent of tyranny and injustice where, to turn a phrase, the mass of mankind has been born with saddles on their backs, with a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately.</p>
<p>“All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”  Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>&#8220;The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.&#8221;  Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>The question now is whether the American Revolution is still alive, or are we in the process of reverting to the ways of Plato and Old Europe? Is the American Revolution over?</p>
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		<title>By: Cannoneer No. 4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannoneer No. 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ricpic -- I was asked that question recently and found &lt;a href=&quot;http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/03/17/ya-say-you-want-a-revolution/#comment-40693&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this answer&lt;/a&gt;.

Made sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ricpic &#8212; I was asked that question recently and found <a href="http://bookwormroom.wordpress.com/2007/03/17/ya-say-you-want-a-revolution/#comment-40693" rel="nofollow">this answer</a>.</p>
<p>Made sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Keelie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keelie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher - I have training in Chemical Engineering and anyone who couldn&#039;t reduce the pub we were sitting in (in Glasgow, Scotland) to rubble wasn&#039;t much of an engineer...

I think both will and means are lacking.  Crossbows and swords are great - although it sounds a little like a Monty Python scenario - but if even your will (your thoughts) are punishable by Hate Crimes Courts - what chance do you have for implementing anything. Hell, you can&#039;t even talk about it. As for weapons - as far as I know, most European nations have punishments that are, to say the least, not &quot;proportional&quot; to the crime (of owning a weapon).  Some exceptions are Switzerland and Sweden; at least they were exceptions some years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher &#8211; I have training in Chemical Engineering and anyone who couldn&#8217;t reduce the pub we were sitting in (in Glasgow, Scotland) to rubble wasn&#8217;t much of an engineer&#8230;</p>
<p>I think both will and means are lacking.  Crossbows and swords are great &#8211; although it sounds a little like a Monty Python scenario &#8211; but if even your will (your thoughts) are punishable by Hate Crimes Courts &#8211; what chance do you have for implementing anything. Hell, you can&#8217;t even talk about it. As for weapons &#8211; as far as I know, most European nations have punishments that are, to say the least, not &#8220;proportional&#8221; to the crime (of owning a weapon).  Some exceptions are Switzerland and Sweden; at least they were exceptions some years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Fletcher Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fletcher Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keelie, sorry but part of your post is nonsense. The will is lacking, not the means.

I have training in chemistry, and one of the little comments going around when I was in university was that anyone who couldn&#039;t with a bit of prep time, reduce the building we were sitting in to rubble wasn&#039;t much of a chemist.

Although, now, I&#039;m not proud of it I managed to force evacuation of the entire chemistry department while still at school, by creation of what amounted to chemical weapons - non-lethal BTW.

The point is that, although guns are more efficient, improvised weapons such as crossbows and IEDs are actually quite easy to create for anyone of reasonable intelligence. Timing circuits and advice about placement of charges aren&#039;t difficult either.

I recently read a near-future SF novel that featured, as a minor plot device, the British Liberation Front. It&#039;s coming. I&#039;d join it, if I was going to be an asset. Unfortunately my health and fitness are bad enough that I wouldn&#039;t be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keelie, sorry but part of your post is nonsense. The will is lacking, not the means.</p>
<p>I have training in chemistry, and one of the little comments going around when I was in university was that anyone who couldn&#8217;t with a bit of prep time, reduce the building we were sitting in to rubble wasn&#8217;t much of a chemist.</p>
<p>Although, now, I&#8217;m not proud of it I managed to force evacuation of the entire chemistry department while still at school, by creation of what amounted to chemical weapons &#8211; non-lethal BTW.</p>
<p>The point is that, although guns are more efficient, improvised weapons such as crossbows and IEDs are actually quite easy to create for anyone of reasonable intelligence. Timing circuits and advice about placement of charges aren&#8217;t difficult either.</p>
<p>I recently read a near-future SF novel that featured, as a minor plot device, the British Liberation Front. It&#8217;s coming. I&#8217;d join it, if I was going to be an asset. Unfortunately my health and fitness are bad enough that I wouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ricpic,

There is a dynamic that I have seen a number of times. I think it human nature. We often hear of survivors of some incident shaken to the core of their existence. The survivors espousing the firm belief they deserved death and the dead deserved life, that is, they are undeserving of what they have. The Bible informs us these events are unfathomable and not to read to much one way or the  other into them. Still, we tend to do just that.

Many of us when sitting with someone with lesser means or station in life, I think get &quot;survivor&#039;s guilt&quot;. A good buddy of mine hit me hard with the truth one day after Mass. A good friend Joe (what I would give to see or talk to him again), a Pinoy, who did grunt work for the UAE rebuked me once for wallowing in such guilt. He told me he didn&#039;t hold my wealth or position against me, that it wasn&#039;t where I started from it was where I ended that was important. 

The West in general holds its wealth and situation as a rebuke against itself, as if it were all undeserved. To be honest some of that wealth is probably less than just, but not all, not even the majority. The left can&#039;t get over that guilt that old saying about the left being unable to take its own side in a fight applies here.

The thing is though, the left often completely insulate themselves from all but their hoidy-toidy selves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ricpic,</p>
<p>There is a dynamic that I have seen a number of times. I think it human nature. We often hear of survivors of some incident shaken to the core of their existence. The survivors espousing the firm belief they deserved death and the dead deserved life, that is, they are undeserving of what they have. The Bible informs us these events are unfathomable and not to read to much one way or the  other into them. Still, we tend to do just that.</p>
<p>Many of us when sitting with someone with lesser means or station in life, I think get &#8220;survivor&#8217;s guilt&#8221;. A good buddy of mine hit me hard with the truth one day after Mass. A good friend Joe (what I would give to see or talk to him again), a Pinoy, who did grunt work for the UAE rebuked me once for wallowing in such guilt. He told me he didn&#8217;t hold my wealth or position against me, that it wasn&#8217;t where I started from it was where I ended that was important. </p>
<p>The West in general holds its wealth and situation as a rebuke against itself, as if it were all undeserved. To be honest some of that wealth is probably less than just, but not all, not even the majority. The left can&#8217;t get over that guilt that old saying about the left being unable to take its own side in a fight applies here.</p>
<p>The thing is though, the left often completely insulate themselves from all but their hoidy-toidy selves.</p>
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		<title>By: joe buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that the home of &quot;total football&quot; turns out to be the epicenter of the massive cultural quake. Sometimes where things spin quickly they start to come apart. Some friends tell me that Heineken is much better from a tap than a bottle. From where I sit and type in slow to change Appalachia the trend is still quite fearful but then again, I was quite impressed with Johan Cruyff who was dangerous in his own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that the home of &#8220;total football&#8221; turns out to be the epicenter of the massive cultural quake. Sometimes where things spin quickly they start to come apart. Some friends tell me that Heineken is much better from a tap than a bottle. From where I sit and type in slow to change Appalachia the trend is still quite fearful but then again, I was quite impressed with Johan Cruyff who was dangerous in his own way.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 04:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Europe is developing a tank here are the detials: http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2005/03/another-european-war.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Europe is developing a tank here are the detials: <a href="http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2005/03/another-european-war.html" rel="nofollow">http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2005/03/another-european-war.html</a></p>
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