Stuart Varney of Fox Business complains that the government isn’t accepting TARP repayments from some banks because it would allow them to escape the mandated controls that are coming down the pike.
Here’s a true story first reported by my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano (with the names and some details obscured to prevent retaliation). … Fast forward to today, and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check, now, with interest. He’s been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with “adverse” consequences if its chairman persists. That’s politics talking, not economics. …
I’m an Englishman. We invented class warfare, and I know it when I see it. This legislation allows the administration to dictate pay for anyone working in any company that takes a dime of TARP money. This is a whip with which to thrash the unpopular bankers, a tool to advance the Obama administration’s goal of controlling the financial system.
After 35 years in America, I never thought I would see this. I still can’t quite believe we will sit by as this crisis is used to hand control of our economy over to government. But here we are, on the brink. Clearly, I have been naive.
Varney should have reached back deeper into English lore and recalled the ways of the Press Gang. In those days it was held that anyone in possession of the King’s Shilling — anybody who received money from the government — was indentured. The Urban Dictionary describes what role the King’s Shilling played in the recruitment — if that is the word — of seamen. It incidentally sheds light on the origin of glass beer mugs.
v. The act of forced conscription into the British navy. Used most commonly in the 19th century, as a means of crewing warships. Also known as “impressment”, it was a royally sanctioned activity that started with King Edward I.
Since most men were reluctant to join the navy due to low pay and the requirement of lifetime service, groups of ‘press-gangs’ would go around pubs on the coast of Britain, kidnapping men and forcing them into lifetime service. Anyone found in possession of the “King’s shilling” was thought to be a loyal subject, and thus a candidate for the royal navy.
The press-gangs would travel to various pubs, and drop shillings into the beer mugs of hapless victims. When the victim got to the bottom of their beer, they would find the king’s shilling, and the press-gang waiting for them outside to drag them off. Fancier pubs invented the glass bottomed beer mug so that their patrons could see if there was a king’s shilling in the bottom, and refuse the drink.
Press-ganging was one of the factors leading to the war of 1812. Press gangs would land on the coast of America and would “accidentally” press-gang American civilians into navy service. Over 6000 American men were kidnapped in this manner in the early 1800s.
Maybe history doesn’t repeat itself; but it sure rhymes. Speaking of rhymes …
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1. RAH:Return the money anyway and document it for court. The Bank chair will probably win in court. Our legal system has not changed that much. This is typical thuggery push the limits until they see how much push back. Obama pushed and intimidates, the victim can refuse intimidation and return the money with interest. Congressional law does not allow this and even if it did the law can be overturned on Constitutional grounds.
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:34 pm 2. RAH:The president does not have the power of the Royal decree and we need some brave souls to stand against this
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:35 pm 3. 49erDweet:That bank needs to go public. The chairman’s mistake is trying to politely “stay between the lines.” With this new administration there are no lines – or at least none until public scrutiny forces them to back peddle.
But he/they probably won’t. Cowardice in the board room is rampant these days. Another lesson taught by our Brit cousins.
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:38 pm 4. blert:The Chairman needs to shove the ante back and declare himself ‘all out.’
Time is of the essence: he must beat any further executive orders or ex post facto meddling.
This is no time for half-measures.
BTW the bank is the Northern Trust bank out of Chicago. This bank is notably out of the toxic assets mine field and has had consequentially no serious write-offs.
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:40 pm 5. RAH:This is the Bank that Rush has talked on about. Rush will get the story out and Obama will suffer more push back.
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:47 pm 6. whiskey:Obama’s problem is that people are starting not to fear him.
He’s a female leader among men, popular among women for his hatred of America, the military, icky awful Average White guys, and abjuring military force in all situations.
However, Obama wants to be feared at home by domestic enemies and laughed at abroad by foreign ones.
Contempt and ridicule in one area leads to it in others.
And appealing mostly to women (and status-obsessed male Yuppies) leaves men out in the cold. Since weakness invites attack — domestically as well as foreign.
The Press and entertainment organs have Obama’s back, as do women, but men and in particular the bankers and other businessmen under attack by Obama’s Chicago style shakedown are starting not to fear him. And doubtless have their own set of attacks ready.
There is ample fuel: financial scandals in Chicago (Rezko, Auichi), abroad (Obama’s campaign funding came from the Gulf and Saudi), his religion (he’s a Muslim), his jihad activities in Pakistan that summer when he was attending Columbia University, his involvement with Farrakhan, the LAT held tape of his laughing at anti-White/Jewish screeds by Khalidi, and more.
Apr 5, 2009 - 3:49 pm 7. RAH:Not true whiskey I know a lot of woman against Obama since day 1 and did not vote for him. Remember less than 50% voted for him that leaves million that did not and who are getting ticked off each day. those tea parties are geting bigger. I really do not want to enrage the middle class but it is happening.
Perhaps Obama hopes to get in front of the mob but that is dangerous.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:02 pm 8. Habu:I must admit I am surprised that obama has not done the one thing that would create and keep the US a socialist country for generations. He has the House and Senate. Why not enlarge the Judiciary to 23 judges and three Chief Justices. He could justify it by virtue of the increased population and caseload.
He could push through the Senate fourteen new Justices, all in their thirties or late twenties who are already socialists. Ditto the extra Chief Justices.
By doing so his socialist legacy would outlast his life and forever change this nation. All nice and legal. Why he hasn’t done it yet is a mystery to me.
He could also do the same restructuring at the appellate level and with all the federal attorneys.
Then they could systematically reinterpret the entire Constitution.
Trumps impressment gangs.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:13 pm 9. 2164th:Interesting Habu.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:17 pm 10. Mrs. Davis:Knee slapper, Habu. The dork has already lost two, card check and cap and tax. If he tried packing the court, it would be the end. A smarter move would be Roosevelt’s plan. Frankly, I don’t want justices over 80 on the bench. Give them a lifetime salary, but get them off at 80.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:20 pm 11. maman:Wretchard,
Thank you for the Belmont Club, and to all the generous contributors.
Have to challenge the Urban Dictionary info with a Wikipedia offering.
It is bemusing that we look back in history and see the people in the past as being so unsophisticated and we see ourselves as being the apogee of human development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_gangs (8 refs,2 links)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King’s_shilling (ref; Oxford Companion to Military History – Richard Holmes 2001)
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:21 pm 12. Shivermetimbers:Whiskey – I love your comments and rarely pass them by without appreciating some aspect that you bring out. However, I am concerned about bankers and businessmen having a plan to attack back.
I wish this were true, but I sometimes wonder if these folks are not similar to cooking frogs. They are complacent, not being aware of any danger until the water is boiling and it is too late.
I hope you are right. We shall see.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:27 pm 13. blert:Habu H would never be able to get the crew confirmed by the Senate — the House is irrelevant.
Filibuster is already waiting in the wings for Hamilton.
Of course the current Justices would categorically be against such an expansion. Three Supremes only works for Mo Town!
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:34 pm 14. blert:H’s bench appointments, such as Hamilton, are H’s route to Constitutional corruption.
Packing the appellate courts so that they mimic the 9th circuit is a sure bet. Holding up the business of the Senate time and again to filibuster left-wing activist judges at the appellate level will be tough to pull off. The Republicans are likely to be Snowe’d under.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:39 pm 15. Willie G:Even a blind pig finds an acorn occasionally: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/04/summers/
When BHO warned “I’m the only one standing between you and the pitchforks.” not one of those present told him to bugger off – rather telling.
It would seem prudent that every CEO stop by the grocery store on the way home and pick up 5 lbs of backbone.
They’ll need it.
Apr 5, 2009 - 4:53 pm 16. Ben Franklin:I don’t see anyone standing up to Obama in the US. Our enemies are laughing their asses off at him and the congress is laughing at him behind closed doors but in the end he is one of them and is taking them where they want to go. They will all play ball together.
We elected a guy who spent his formative years in a third world country and we are getting third world governance as a result. He doesn’t have a clue how to comport himself. He doesn’t have the first inkling as to what made this country what it is and what it stands for. Thus he sees himself as having no limits on his powers. With all three branches of government firmly in the hands of his party, and the media and academia urging him on, who is going to stop him?
Unless the next administration repudiates everything this one has done (including the debt) I think we lost the Republic in the first 60 days this guy was in office.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:01 pm 17. RAH:Habu please do not give ideas to Obama.
Remember for every action there is an equal reaction and that is true in politics and the ability to find a loophole. Do you really think bankers are that dumb?
Northern Trust will get a good attorney and can afford it. Obama is stupid to take on the rich that can afford to shelter and work the system . Hell these bankers wrote the laws and regulations they can work around it and fight it in courts.
Intimidation works better against those who are poor and unable to fight back legally.
The Duke boys destroyed the crooked prosecutor though the game was slanted against them for a while. It will happen against Obama too!
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:08 pm 18. Habu:The plan is totally legal and soon obama will have a supermajority in the Senate. FDR was President when the country had 137+- million people. The justification he’ll sell it on is that we are now a country of 300+ million and justice delayed is justice denied
The House is important as an extention of the Executive megaphone to sell the program.
The Supreme Court was enlarged to nine justices in 1837….1837. This number has varied since but the first nine was in 1837.(The back nine my putting got better and I shot a 42)
He has nothing to lose trying it because his chances of a filibuster proof Senate after the mid terms are about zero.
What the current Justices would think, who knows? At least half are liberals and they wouldn’t have any legal standing to thwart the plan.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:10 pm 19. RAH:Obama counters any “packing” charges with the above arguments which are valid and meaningful.
Justice delayed is justice denied and he’ll hammer that and the length of time since SCOTUS was “refreshed”
I can’t beleive the attitude of despair. It has only been less than 90 days and Obama is accruing a lot of ill will. Th reaction against the stimulus and the budget is noticable. The Democrats are nervous and Obama will not be able to pack the courts. The liberal are also reacting.
Stop drinking the KOOLAID!
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:12 pm 20. Habu:17. RAH:
I believe his advisors, given who they are, and their political positions have probably already thought of this.
Heck I wrote about this on other blogs during the election as a reason not to give the guy the Executive ..lost that one so then I was releived he didn’t have a supermajority, but that too is evaporating ..we’re screwed. This isn’t something I’m pulling for but all Presidents want to leave a legacy. Can you think of one more lasting and within reach?
Doing away with nukes is a Miss America contest answer, not a real possibility. This is possible.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:16 pm 21. Habu:10. Mrs. Davis: Your suggestion would require a constitutional amendment.
My outline is the outline already IN the constitution.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:20 pm 22. blert:Freddie Mac has turned the foreclosure engine back on.
The Timmy ‘plan’ is in trouble on Wall Street: the banksters realize that the pitchforks really will come out if such a small crony-crew rakes in billions at the expense of John Q. Taxpayer. Congress has already shown its stripes: Bill of Attainder — ex post facto.
And those nutty ACORN activists/ agitpropsters…
Most importantly, the ancient media is turning turtle. They’ll not be there to frame the 2010 election.
A counter-ACORN organization is needed, that’s for sure.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:25 pm 23. trangbang68:Habu, I wouldn’t count on the midterms being a rollback on the Dem juggernaut, not with ACORN and widespread voter fraud. Watch out for the lead-in to the election, some manufactured crisis and the implementation of the government takeover of internet traffic. Nothing is beyond the pale for these gangstas.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:42 pm 24. Habu:23. trangbang68
You could easily be right. I’ll send up a prayer.
As far as what I’ve outlined I’d rather eat raw liver than have it come to pass. I believe Obama is an honest danger to this country and actually after his G-20 pronunciamentos , a danger to the world.
ACORN should be RICO’d but not with Eric in charge at Justice.
Apr 5, 2009 - 5:56 pm 25. Habu:They sure do have all the earmarks of gangsters and thugs. You’re right ,nothing is beyond them but we only need a few Senate seats to wreck the SCOTUS plan,so I hope for the mid terms provide them.
Toxic assets.
Did I miss something or are there discussion going on to allow certain banks, after the “stress test” to buy up toxic assets?
Would they do this with TARP money and if so what lunatic is going to allow it? I know, obama’s Geithner. I mean when does the merry go round stop?
If I am correct is that sick or what?
Anyone know?
Apr 5, 2009 - 6:02 pm 26. Rob:Many of the people that ran places like Countrywide Financial and then lost their jobs after the crap they were hustling hit the fan have started hedge funds to buy up these assets–with your tax money.
They made money on the front end and now they’ll make it on the back end. These ‘toxic’ assets, after all, aren’t worthless, they have real assets underlying them even if some people can’t make the payments, but they’re being priced as if they’re worthless, because the banks have to raise capital because of fed capital requirement regulations. And, after all, it’s just your money they’re risking.
Apr 5, 2009 - 6:09 pm 27. Leo Linbeck III:Welcome, my friends, to this important meeting
Let’s get on with biz, and dispense with a greeting
I gathered you here ’cause the market’s a mess
And you bankers have blame that you must now confess.
We’ve come with a plan to resolve all the issues
I know it will hurt, which is why I brought tissues.
Still our plan is much better than leaving in chains
So I want you to sign with a pen or your brains.
The way it will work is quite simple, you see
To all your old shareholders, you now can add in me
I’ll keep a close eye on your books and my money
Which you have to hold on to until things get sunny.
Now, you may say, I don’t need your new cash
And while I agree, there’s no need to be rash
I’m an excellent partner, the tops in the land
And I’m easy to work with – I never demand.
What strings, you may ask, come along with this aid
Well, don’t worry, there’s nothing to make you afraid
Just some oversight from my good friends at the Fed
Plus the House and the Senate – see, there’s nothing to dread.
We will want to know, of course, what you get paid
As well as what kind of stock options you trade
And if it’s a lot, well don’t give it concern
We know that your value exceeds what you earn.
And if it seem harsh for us to take this new tack
Don’t worry, we want you to pay it all back
And then we’ll be gone, along with our masters
Though we’ll want to avoid any future disasters.
So it’s possible that we might add regulation
But it’s just to protect the finance of our nation
And all of this mess, well it wasn’t our fault
How could we know you wouldn’t know when to halt?
Sure, the laws that we passed made you loan to the poor
But we had Fannie buy them so your profits were sure
The bonuses you got were a cause for elation
Why not spread the wealth with a Chris Dodd donation?
So rest easy and sign your good name on the line
Unless your would rather go ahead and resign
There’s no reason to fear us, no reason to yelp
We’re government men, and we’re just here to help.
— —
L3
Apr 5, 2009 - 6:13 pm 28. Josh:I did not know that.
Apr 5, 2009 - 6:56 pm 29. Lifeofthemind:The power to tax involves the power to destroy – John Marshall
The game is rigged, the government sets the regulatory environment and the tax rate that create the conditions that impeded the bank’s (and other firms) ability to raise capital and make loans or otherwise conduct normal business with a reasonable prospect of getting a fair return on the risk. That means that the corporations are not free agents entering into a voluntary contract for the Tarp money. The government then changes the regulations and claims that because of the presence of Tarp money, or maybe just because the banks and other corporations engage in interstate commerce, the government can ex cathedra void the rights of the owners and the Directors of these corporations. If Ward Churchill could sue because he was fired from a State College then Rick Wagoner should have a good case.
Are there no lawyers in America?
Yesterday I attended a meeting of my local Republican County organization. Really it was a candidates workshop and many useful topics were covered that all of us should keep a firm grasp on. I buttonholed my County Chairman to urge him to get excited about Acorn getting involved in the Census. That is a subject that any professional politician, who lives and dies by redistricting the same way that military professionals live for logistics, must take seriously. Please go to your local Political Party Club meetings, I know that they can be depressing with a half dozen very old folks and an egomaniac holding forth, and get involved. Please get to your local party officials, the County level is often the right place to start, and get them focused on the Census.
Apr 5, 2009 - 8:39 pm 30. WillDoMathForFood:RAH @ 19: I’d like to believe that a groundswell of anger really IS developing, but I don’t see it. Sure, there’s us True Believers, who are getting dangerously angry. I work with a bunch of engineers, many of whom are ex-military, and almost to a one, they view Obama with disgust and contempt. They see right through him and aren’t buying the Hope and Change. But among my friends NOT in the business of aerospace: fuggedaboutit. I know only a handful of them that I can even broach the subject of Obama with. Head in the sand. And even my brother, who ought to know better (Ph.D. in engineering, Lt.Col. in the AF Reserve), has drunk the Obama koolaid. I called him a fool for voting for Obama, and told him why, and he just got mad at me for calling him a fool, ignoring my arguments completely. The groundswell of anti-Obama sentiment is so far very very narrow, not widespread at all in the mainstream of Americans. And there are large groups of people (blacks, greens, fleece liberals, professional victims) who will NEVER see him for what he is. But I’m hoping that enough grousing and whispering over the next two years can change that among the remaining 60% or so of the population. And if O leads us where his words and actions are pointing, then there’s a decent chance we can get there. But I’m hoping that Obama is not the Julius Caesar I think he might be: he may decide that even elections are SO pre-modern. So far, however, every time I’ve hoped that Obama might show some sense and restraint, I’ve been rudely disabused.
Apr 5, 2009 - 10:16 pm 31. buddy larsen:serious questions about new Census Master
Apr 5, 2009 - 10:45 pm 32. buddy larsen:Shareholders will sooner or later put 2 + 2 on what their shares in gov’t -touched institutions are worth vs similar profiled ‘free’ company shares. Jack Welch is already complaining loudly about this double-track.
Apr 5, 2009 - 11:04 pm 33. Robohobo:“…every time I’ve hoped that Obama might show some sense and restraint, I’ve been rudely disabused.”
I. CAN’T. QUIT. LAUGHING!!!!!!
WDMFF – Looks like us rubes from flyover country called this one. The Won is dangerous at the best and a Manchurian (or Sorosian(BTW, I coined this one)) candidate at the worst.
Hug the Queen.
Bow to the Saud Princeling.
What a rube this guy is.
If it was not such a dangerous time in the world, I could be amused.
Apr 5, 2009 - 11:08 pm 34. buddy larsen:The way to make a buck on a GSE (or our new provisional GSEs) is to get a job with ‘em. F&F through 2007 (2008 dunno) had more million dollar executives than any company in American history (according to Steve Forbes).
Apr 5, 2009 - 11:09 pm 35. buddy larsen:re the upcoming census, the admin’s new man is astatistician, apparently, wirth some controversy already on his record, clashing with constitutional census methods. Again one wonders the same thing as with Deutch the busted spy back in spying, Ogden the porn industry’s mouthpiece as deputy AG (among many others), why hire the scarlet letter, the marked man, when the hands-dirty fella could be kept in the shadows while Simon Pure figureheads the project?
Anyhoo, re statistical sampling, it was used in the notorious Hopkins-Lancet Report which swore by a scientifical stat-sampling of about twelve times the actual number of civilian deaths in the Iraq War. Search that rport, you’ll find that the MIT Center for International Studies funded the so-called “Lancet Report” (which BTW has been a huge propaganda weapon for the pro-soviet-controlled mideast crowd).
Next, search [ MIT Center for International Studies Soros ] and see the skeleton’s bones.
How about this, then:
(1) Based on a Democratic Party/George Soros cahoots probability of 100%,
(2) the Census will incorporate 100% of the Lancet Report ethics,
(3) which will result, accordingly, in an OMUSP (“our made-up-shit part”) in that fraction of the census not executed by the traditional Constitutional method,
(4) of an increase or decrease (depending on what Mr. Soros wants) by a factor of 12.
Apr 6, 2009 - 12:09 am 36. buddy larsen:…which means that for every person ACORN legitimately invents, there must be 12 more wherever that whoever he is, is.
Apr 6, 2009 - 12:17 am 37. buddy larsen:Find me a *single* place, a single area or situation or circumstance, where this admin can make some sort of undermining attack on our traditional systems while covering its tracks via so changing the status quo that no comparison with what-might-have-been can ever be proven, and i will dance the Dying Swan in a pink tutu at your next county fair & rodeo.
Apr 6, 2009 - 12:29 am 38. buddy larsen:I am put in mind of a locust-like scouring
Apr 6, 2009 - 12:36 am 39. buddy larsen:http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_en&q=lancet+report+soros
Apr 6, 2009 - 12:46 am 40. Kevin:You eat well, maybe eat at all because Agribusiness shoved aside the family farmer, who did for the big rancher, who shattered the Plains Indian. Be glad Economics wins, even if freedom doesn’t always. The other choice is politics winning over economics, and that ensures freedom doesn’t. And I don’t have any warm feelings for bankers, anyway.
Apr 6, 2009 - 1:51 am 41. buddy larsen:Stop blaming your President for longcoming consequences. Capitalism is creative destruction or aren’t you in favour of this.
Hi, Kevin –are you the old familiar Kevin, or a new one with the same airy disdain for understanding issues much beyond their utility as stages for striking your various moral superman poses?
Apr 6, 2009 - 2:14 am 42. Kevin:Hi, Buddy, a new Kevin.
Apr 6, 2009 - 2:47 am 43. Pat Patterson:Don’t get mad at me, I didn’t do it, whatever it is. If it makes you feel better to curse the present administration, whatever.
Not a good strategy though when you are doing whitewater in your kayak, with both hands on your wallet. Personally, I would prefer to see survival but it’s up to you. Loud screaming is never good.
It’s depressing to realize that we have government by people that are still upset that there was an early withdrawal penalty for the Christmas Club accounts and that the banks probably had a good reason for turning down their loan requests to buy that Ferrari Enzo.
Apr 6, 2009 - 4:05 am 44. buddy larsen:Sorry I barked, Kevin –’old’ Kevin & I had an adversarial relationship & i was picking up where i left off with him. But i have to say, “loud screaming is never good” sounds like Stockholm Syndrome Lesson One.
Apr 6, 2009 - 4:32 am 45. steveaz:Buddy,
I like how your mind works!
I did some research into Lancet back when it’s BS study first came out, and…after I cross-checked the various foundations and government bureaus that contributed to this bilge, I wanted to take a bath.
The range of operators was eye-boggling. I stumbled onto the names of big-shots involved in convicted water-utility cartels in Paris (Jacques Chirac was tied in with this gang and had to self-immunize before leaving office), a mob of Bertelsmann-funded foundations, and, most surprising, a Swiss canton’s education department (as if Switzerland’s public schools have an interest in funding media stunts).
A check of these bureaus’ board-officer lists yielded officers’ names as well as their corporate, NGO and government associations. A picture of overlapping, often tax-payer funded, anti-American campuses began to emerge.
I compiled all this into an essay and sent it to David’s Mediencritic website at the time. If I find time today, I’ll hunt it down.
Apr 6, 2009 - 8:35 am 46. steveaz:mind-boggling.
‘hic!
Apr 6, 2009 - 8:38 am 47. steveaz:FWIW: Bertelmann’s shilling is here(link to medienkritik’s archives).
If these guys’ll shell out the dough for a bogus Lancet study, theyll shell it out for an ACORN “census,” too.
Apr 6, 2009 - 9:10 am 48. downtowndubai:-Steve
hey
as i remember, Stuart was a prince in the early days of business news. he and Deborah Marcini (she of the tight business suits !!)made it look cool to dig business chat and markets back in the early 1990’s.
it takes a Brit to really take a stern look at America. They spend a lifetime dealing with our details, but when they collect thoughts into a bag full of ”hurt”…watch out.
he’s right, of course. we are bystanders in the ”rape of the week”…read- economic readjustments.
i knew an older guy growing up in NYC that lost a business during the New Deal. Hated FDR…taught his kid to hate FDR like Pali freaks teach their kids to hate Jews. so now i know why.
rock on Stuart.
Apr 6, 2009 - 9:29 am 49. buddy larsen:man that’s a great link, steveaz –it needs to show up on any census discussion –right on, lancet’s the model –you know it, i know it, “they” know it. Paranoid? well hell yes –who wouldn’t be ?
Apr 6, 2009 - 1:53 pm 50. buddy larsen:PS –i did some of that deeper research too, tracking down who was running the Mexico-seperatist all-but-openly-violent La Raz radio ads trying to stir up race hate in nearby (and very friendly latin/anglo mixed) San Antonio –it was General Electric!
So i started looking at who was on that board, and oh my lord a mighty, like you, i needed a brain-bath in a hurry. I hate to sound like Gen Jack D Ripper but don’t let your children eat Cheerios!
Apr 6, 2009 - 2:05 pm