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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51970</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 00:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done a little Wiki editing. I can not recall the guy right now, but on the bio page of the guy who composed a lot of the music for NFL films a description of his music was a little too editorial in nature, so I cut that out and kept it strictly to the facts. Plus I have done some editing regarding local politics.

I agree with #15 Gringo, if the topic isn&#039;t controversial then the Wiki is not a bad source, if the topic is controversial then expect the Wiki to be unstable and subject to vandalism and sychophancy.

#19 RWE, Bill O&#039;Reilly is a twit and it doesn&#039;t surprise me he got  caught up in that. My beef against Bill O&#039;Reilly is neatly summarized in his motto &quot;Looking out for the little guy&quot;. The little guy can look out for himself, did not ask for Bill&#039;s help, and it is often the lefty that always portends to look out for the little guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a little Wiki editing. I can not recall the guy right now, but on the bio page of the guy who composed a lot of the music for NFL films a description of his music was a little too editorial in nature, so I cut that out and kept it strictly to the facts. Plus I have done some editing regarding local politics.</p>
<p>I agree with #15 Gringo, if the topic isn&#8217;t controversial then the Wiki is not a bad source, if the topic is controversial then expect the Wiki to be unstable and subject to vandalism and sychophancy.</p>
<p>#19 RWE, Bill O&#8217;Reilly is a twit and it doesn&#8217;t surprise me he got  caught up in that. My beef against Bill O&#8217;Reilly is neatly summarized in his motto &#8220;Looking out for the little guy&#8221;. The little guy can look out for himself, did not ask for Bill&#8217;s help, and it is often the lefty that always portends to look out for the little guy.</p>
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		<title>By: RWE</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51947</link>
		<dc:creator>RWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bogie Wheel:  Yes, thanks, that is a good link.  Looks to be better than the one I found, not that I have any idea what the URL was for that one.

Jeffrey:  Yes!  Good one!  And even Bill O’Reily excoriated the U.S. Military on the looting of the museums – and I don’t think he retracted his remarks, either.

I recall talking to a geologist back in the early 80’s about the ominous Palmdale Bulge being reported in the press at the time.  Supposedly they had detected a rising of the ground out in the Calif desert that indicated an impending earthquake, or something.  The geologist replied that it was all nonsense – the instrumentation they were using did not even have that kind of accuracy.  And sure enough, some months later an article in the LA Times offhandedly said that was what “the Bulge” really was – instrumentation error.   Of course, even that admission was on Page 23 or some such, not in headlines across the front page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bogie Wheel:  Yes, thanks, that is a good link.  Looks to be better than the one I found, not that I have any idea what the URL was for that one.</p>
<p>Jeffrey:  Yes!  Good one!  And even Bill O’Reily excoriated the U.S. Military on the looting of the museums – and I don’t think he retracted his remarks, either.</p>
<p>I recall talking to a geologist back in the early 80’s about the ominous Palmdale Bulge being reported in the press at the time.  Supposedly they had detected a rising of the ground out in the Calif desert that indicated an impending earthquake, or something.  The geologist replied that it was all nonsense – the instrumentation they were using did not even have that kind of accuracy.  And sure enough, some months later an article in the LA Times offhandedly said that was what “the Bulge” really was – instrumentation error.   Of course, even that admission was on Page 23 or some such, not in headlines across the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey -- New York</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51935</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey -- New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you want a really good example of the inability of journalism to correct itself? There is none better than the alleged looting of the Iraq National Museum after the fall of Baghdad in April, 2003.

Journalists on the scene breathlessly announced to the world that the entire museum (100%) had been cleaned out.  Reality?  2%.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://gutenblogcastle.blogspot.com/2005/02/iraq-antiquities-revisited-with.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iraq Antiquities Revisited&lt;/a&gt;.

It took several months before the truth came out, but most media outlets never retracted  or corrected their original claims.

I like John Work&#039;s idea of a Wikipedia-type model for internet-based news.  Imagine how different this story would have been if that structure had been used.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you want a really good example of the inability of journalism to correct itself? There is none better than the alleged looting of the Iraq National Museum after the fall of Baghdad in April, 2003.</p>
<p>Journalists on the scene breathlessly announced to the world that the entire museum (100%) had been cleaned out.  Reality?  2%.</p>
<p><a href="http://gutenblogcastle.blogspot.com/2005/02/iraq-antiquities-revisited-with.html" rel="nofollow">Iraq Antiquities Revisited</a>.</p>
<p>It took several months before the truth came out, but most media outlets never retracted  or corrected their original claims.</p>
<p>I like John Work&#8217;s idea of a Wikipedia-type model for internet-based news.  Imagine how different this story would have been if that structure had been used.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51932</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cowboy, this wasn&#039;t a major information, that&#039;s may-be they only look for Wikipedia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cowboy, this wasn&#8217;t a major information, that&#8217;s may-be they only look for Wikipedia</p>
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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 18:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did the mis-information get to the journalists? The guy put it up on Wikipedia, and journalists are always telling us never to trust Wikipedia, but rely on them, the professionals, so you won&#039;t get burned.

So, how did it move from this source they don&#039;t want you to use into the one they do want you to use?

Could it be that some journalists were researching their story on Wikipedia, the declaimed questionable source, a source they don&#039;t want you to use?

Odd, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the mis-information get to the journalists? The guy put it up on Wikipedia, and journalists are always telling us never to trust Wikipedia, but rely on them, the professionals, so you won&#8217;t get burned.</p>
<p>So, how did it move from this source they don&#8217;t want you to use into the one they do want you to use?</p>
<p>Could it be that some journalists were researching their story on Wikipedia, the declaimed questionable source, a source they don&#8217;t want you to use?</p>
<p>Odd, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Gringo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have looked at the Wikipedia entry for my high school for several years. There are often &quot;non-informational&quot; changes made to it, such as claiming that XYZ famous actor or athlete is a graduate of the school.  Such changes are usually corrected within a short time. 

Wikipedia is often not a good source for controversial topics, as their articles  are often biased. While the English language Wikipedia articles on the Salvador Allende era in Chile, have a certain bias, they are MUCH less biased than the Spanish language Wikipedia articles on the Allende era. Wikipedia  is a good source for finding basic facts- much easier than the WWW overall. And as all is documented, you can check it out. Just like Ol&#039; Case said. 

The journalist&#039;s not picking up on the mistake, contrasted to Wikipedia&#039;s doing so, is a commentary on the competence of many in the journalism profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have looked at the Wikipedia entry for my high school for several years. There are often &#8220;non-informational&#8221; changes made to it, such as claiming that XYZ famous actor or athlete is a graduate of the school.  Such changes are usually corrected within a short time. </p>
<p>Wikipedia is often not a good source for controversial topics, as their articles  are often biased. While the English language Wikipedia articles on the Salvador Allende era in Chile, have a certain bias, they are MUCH less biased than the Spanish language Wikipedia articles on the Allende era. Wikipedia  is a good source for finding basic facts- much easier than the WWW overall. And as all is documented, you can check it out. Just like Ol&#8217; Case said. </p>
<p>The journalist&#8217;s not picking up on the mistake, contrasted to Wikipedia&#8217;s doing so, is a commentary on the competence of many in the journalism profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51913</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The model in a perfect world is when a news outfit flubs it, they admit it and correct it.

I recall a story back in the 2004 campaign when President Bush was speaking in Milwaukee and got news on President Clinton&#039;s heart imminent heart surgery. Al-Pazeera (AP) reported when President Bush expressed sincere warm wishes for President Clinton&#039;s full and speedy recovery the crowd booed.

A day or two later in the internet version of that story the report on the boos disappeared, because there were none. There was absolutely no acknowledgment of mistake or explanation of the revision. 

With Wiki at least when correcting something there is that history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The model in a perfect world is when a news outfit flubs it, they admit it and correct it.</p>
<p>I recall a story back in the 2004 campaign when President Bush was speaking in Milwaukee and got news on President Clinton&#8217;s heart imminent heart surgery. Al-Pazeera (AP) reported when President Bush expressed sincere warm wishes for President Clinton&#8217;s full and speedy recovery the crowd booed.</p>
<p>A day or two later in the internet version of that story the report on the boos disappeared, because there were none. There was absolutely no acknowledgment of mistake or explanation of the revision. </p>
<p>With Wiki at least when correcting something there is that history.</p>
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		<title>By: John Work</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see an Internet-based news site that used the Wikipedia architectual model - where you could track back to original sources and link to verifying or denying information - and to &quot;spin&quot;. And have the database transaction log to trace the development of a given news item. For some of us that would be a very good thing, but I&#039;m guessing that there wouldn&#039;t be a sufficient market to make such a site economically viable. Might be a good application for some data-mining software. I&#039;ve read how these techniques have been used in counter-terrorism with great (but mostly unpublicized) success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see an Internet-based news site that used the Wikipedia architectual model &#8211; where you could track back to original sources and link to verifying or denying information &#8211; and to &#8220;spin&#8221;. And have the database transaction log to trace the development of a given news item. For some of us that would be a very good thing, but I&#8217;m guessing that there wouldn&#8217;t be a sufficient market to make such a site economically viable. Might be a good application for some data-mining software. I&#8217;ve read how these techniques have been used in counter-terrorism with great (but mostly unpublicized) success.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Highlights</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51882</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudo-Polymath &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Wednesday Highlights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another nail in the old journalism coffin. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another nail in the old journalism coffin. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kbdabear</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/05/12/myth-and-true-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-51850</link>
		<dc:creator>kbdabear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 08:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google cache can fill a lot of memory holes, and The Wayback Machine archive.org has internet content back to the old Netscape days of the 90s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google cache can fill a lot of memory holes, and The Wayback Machine archive.org has internet content back to the old Netscape days of the 90s</p>
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