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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
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		<dc:creator>twobyfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cadmus, power and control IS their religion. Islam is a political ideology first, wrapped up in theology.

The real change would transpire when the muslims afraid to pray in mosques would start realizing that Islam is exactly that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cadmus, power and control IS their religion. Islam is a political ideology first, wrapped up in theology.</p>
<p>The real change would transpire when the muslims afraid to pray in mosques would start realizing that Islam is exactly that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cadmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blowing up Mosques is the best testament that today’s Islamic fundamentalism is about power and control, and not about religion.

If they aimed to make people Moslems and true believers, they would be dragging them to Mosques to preach to them, not blowing them to bits while they pray.

How can any twisted mind justify that blowing up Mosques serves to enhance Islam? Were the Taliban trying to send them straight to God to answer their prayers!!!!

Should anyone be surprised that these people do not want the Taliban around, when they cannot even pray in peace without being killed?

The Taliban should be the ones called infidels since they are preventing good Moslems from prayer and running them away from Mosques. 

There may be an idea here to discredit fundamentalists. Can we market that?

Cadmus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blowing up Mosques is the best testament that today’s Islamic fundamentalism is about power and control, and not about religion.</p>
<p>If they aimed to make people Moslems and true believers, they would be dragging them to Mosques to preach to them, not blowing them to bits while they pray.</p>
<p>How can any twisted mind justify that blowing up Mosques serves to enhance Islam? Were the Taliban trying to send them straight to God to answer their prayers!!!!</p>
<p>Should anyone be surprised that these people do not want the Taliban around, when they cannot even pray in peace without being killed?</p>
<p>The Taliban should be the ones called infidels since they are preventing good Moslems from prayer and running them away from Mosques. </p>
<p>There may be an idea here to discredit fundamentalists. Can we market that?</p>
<p>Cadmus</p>
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		<title>By: twobyfour</title>
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		<dc:creator>twobyfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not enuff kaffir? They hafta murder, anyone &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/06/bombing_a_pakistani.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;available&lt;/a&gt; will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not enuff kaffir? They hafta murder, anyone <a href="http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/06/bombing_a_pakistani.php" rel="nofollow">available</a> will do.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutch nationalist party wins handsomely in European Parliament poll
Xinhua - ‎53 minutes ago‎
BRUSSELS, June 5 (Xinhua) -- The Dutch Freedom Party, led by nationalist politician Geert Wilders turned out to be the biggest winner in Thursday&#039;s European Parliament elections in the Netherlands, first results show.
  Video: Raw Video: Voting for the European Parliament in Prague EUX.TV 
Far-right eyes more gains in EU Parliament vote Reuters 
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(up on Google news at the mo. Allah [pbuh] lost the election!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dutch nationalist party wins handsomely in European Parliament poll<br />
Xinhua &#8211; ‎53 minutes ago‎<br />
BRUSSELS, June 5 (Xinhua) &#8212; The Dutch Freedom Party, led by nationalist politician Geert Wilders turned out to be the biggest winner in Thursday&#8217;s European Parliament elections in the Netherlands, first results show.<br />
  Video: Raw Video: Voting for the European Parliament in Prague EUX.TV<br />
Far-right eyes more gains in EU Parliament vote Reuters<br />
United Press International &#8211; Bloomberg &#8211; Aljazeera.net &#8211; The Associated Press<br />
all 976 news articles »Email this story</p>
<p>(up on Google news at the mo. Allah [pbuh] lost the election!)</p>
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		<title>By: The woman with cologne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The woman with cologne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the Left Behind series of books years ago, and I have to say Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins were pretty accurate in their books.
I borrowed the books years ago, but I bought them today.  

Check out this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TS4uCeO1WM

I did not watch the movie Left Behind, but it should be so scary since it is happening now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the Left Behind series of books years ago, and I have to say Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins were pretty accurate in their books.<br />
I borrowed the books years ago, but I bought them today.  </p>
<p>Check out this video&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TS4uCeO1WM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TS4uCeO1WM</a></p>
<p>I did not watch the movie Left Behind, but it should be so scary since it is happening now.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, buddy, understanding this President and this presidency (or attempting to) in the context of...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/americas-first-postmodern-president-supreme-court-justice-treasury-secretary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Postmodernism&lt;/a&gt;

helps me assimilate my feelings of disconnected disbelief better than anything I&#039;ve read.

I could throw in a little Schrödinger&#039;s cat as well :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, buddy, understanding this President and this presidency (or attempting to) in the context of&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/americas-first-postmodern-president-supreme-court-justice-treasury-secretary/" rel="nofollow">Postmodernism</a></p>
<p>helps me assimilate my feelings of disconnected disbelief better than anything I&#8217;ve read.</p>
<p>I could throw in a little Schrödinger&#8217;s cat as well <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What to believe? Define &quot;believe&quot;. No, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to believe? Define &#8220;believe&#8221;. No, really.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tanstaafl, one might say, the fundamental trait of relativism being that nothing is absolute, that ten o&#039;clock Tuesday is not the same as two o&#039;clock Thursday, so as long as whatever is said on the one doesn&#039;t have to hold true on the other, they can both be true &quot;in their own time&quot; even if by the &quot;old standards of the past&quot; the two statements happen to wildly contradict. This is where the New Age slips quietly into totalitarianism, because it is plainly obvious that under such conditions the path to truth is wherever the Big Man says it is, when he says it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tanstaafl, one might say, the fundamental trait of relativism being that nothing is absolute, that ten o&#8217;clock Tuesday is not the same as two o&#8217;clock Thursday, so as long as whatever is said on the one doesn&#8217;t have to hold true on the other, they can both be true &#8220;in their own time&#8221; even if by the &#8220;old standards of the past&#8221; the two statements happen to wildly contradict. This is where the New Age slips quietly into totalitarianism, because it is plainly obvious that under such conditions the path to truth is wherever the Big Man says it is, when he says it.</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I heard it said that there was a great deal more &quot;religious tolerance&quot; and variety in the middle east at the time, 7th century, that The Prophet was receiving input from the Angel and unfolding the tenets of what, somewhere around 200 years after his death, was written down as the Koran.

These days, Islamic countries, see especially Saudi Arabia, are hugely intolerant of any other religion, try taking a Bible in your luggage into Riyadh, for example.  

There was, at the very least, a substantial contingent of Jews in Medina, some of whom, it has been said, actually influenced Mohammed&#039;s thinking &amp; constructs. 

Mohammed himself said intermediaries (religious leaders/authorities) were unnecessary in Islam, that the only relationship that mattered was the direct one between the believer and Allah, so what&#039;s with the 1400 ensuing years of Hadiths, Sunna, religious scholars &amp; commentary, anyway ?

Anyway, we potential dhimmis are way off base condeming &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; of Islam, no matter what is written down in the Koran relative to slaying unbelievers.  I tend to think that advice to slay unbelievers, Jews et al. and etc. would have been very convenient for the maintenance of Mohammed&#039;s lifestyle, 1400 years ago, and was the primary reason he may have received such advice from the Angel.

As for the original subject above, Barack Obama&#039;s statement (IMO trying to ingratiate himself prior to Saudi Arabia/Egypt trip), it is shocking &amp; depressing what a pass he gets from his cadre of True Believers when he says such outrageous stuff.

I remain unchanged in my supposition that Obamatrons are so struck, so taken with The One™, that this postmodern President feels like he can say damn near anything and get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I heard it said that there was a great deal more &#8220;religious tolerance&#8221; and variety in the middle east at the time, 7th century, that The Prophet was receiving input from the Angel and unfolding the tenets of what, somewhere around 200 years after his death, was written down as the Koran.</p>
<p>These days, Islamic countries, see especially Saudi Arabia, are hugely intolerant of any other religion, try taking a Bible in your luggage into Riyadh, for example.  </p>
<p>There was, at the very least, a substantial contingent of Jews in Medina, some of whom, it has been said, actually influenced Mohammed&#8217;s thinking &amp; constructs. </p>
<p>Mohammed himself said intermediaries (religious leaders/authorities) were unnecessary in Islam, that the only relationship that mattered was the direct one between the believer and Allah, so what&#8217;s with the 1400 ensuing years of Hadiths, Sunna, religious scholars &amp; commentary, anyway ?</p>
<p>Anyway, we potential dhimmis are way off base condeming <b>all</b> of Islam, no matter what is written down in the Koran relative to slaying unbelievers.  I tend to think that advice to slay unbelievers, Jews et al. and etc. would have been very convenient for the maintenance of Mohammed&#8217;s lifestyle, 1400 years ago, and was the primary reason he may have received such advice from the Angel.</p>
<p>As for the original subject above, Barack Obama&#8217;s statement (IMO trying to ingratiate himself prior to Saudi Arabia/Egypt trip), it is shocking &amp; depressing what a pass he gets from his cadre of True Believers when he says such outrageous stuff.</p>
<p>I remain unchanged in my supposition that Obamatrons are so struck, so taken with The One™, that this postmodern President feels like he can say damn near anything and get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: bla bla bla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bla bla bla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marzouk,

&quot;Saw it the first time. History is replete with tribes uniting to get their way through conquest, pillage, mayhem, rape and slavery. consider the age during which Islam was born. Consider also the Soviet revenge on Berlin, the most recent large scale non-tribal mass rape event!&quot;

The spread of Islam is compared to Soviet aggresion? That statement is telling but not suprising. Both are ideologies that try to pass as faiths. 

btw check out what Ayn Rand said about Israel and the surounding Muslims. Where indeed is John Galt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marzouk,</p>
<p>&#8220;Saw it the first time. History is replete with tribes uniting to get their way through conquest, pillage, mayhem, rape and slavery. consider the age during which Islam was born. Consider also the Soviet revenge on Berlin, the most recent large scale non-tribal mass rape event!&#8221;</p>
<p>The spread of Islam is compared to Soviet aggresion? That statement is telling but not suprising. Both are ideologies that try to pass as faiths. </p>
<p>btw check out what Ayn Rand said about Israel and the surounding Muslims. Where indeed is John Galt?</p>
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