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		<title>By: Bohemond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bohemond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps the people of Europe have figured out that they are going to have to look after their own interests and not defer that task to the Great White Father across the sea.&quot;

Erm- wouldn&#039;t that be &quot;the Great Half-White Father?&quot;


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Is the BNP Fascist or Neo-Nazi? Yes.  &quot;Right-wing?&quot; Hardly. Their (published) economic manifesto is full-bore hard Socialist- starting with the nationalisation of all businesses larger than a handful of employees.

But of course the fascist governments of Mussolini, Hitler and Peron were all fully socialist as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps the people of Europe have figured out that they are going to have to look after their own interests and not defer that task to the Great White Father across the sea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Erm- wouldn&#8217;t that be &#8220;the Great Half-White Father?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Is the BNP Fascist or Neo-Nazi? Yes.  &#8220;Right-wing?&#8221; Hardly. Their (published) economic manifesto is full-bore hard Socialist- starting with the nationalisation of all businesses larger than a handful of employees.</p>
<p>But of course the fascist governments of Mussolini, Hitler and Peron were all fully socialist as well.</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socialist welfare only works in places that export natural resources- like Venezuela and Alaska (and it&#039;s somewhat of a stretch to call Alaska socialist since they don&#039;t tax anybody).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialist welfare only works in places that export natural resources- like Venezuela and Alaska (and it&#8217;s somewhat of a stretch to call Alaska socialist since they don&#8217;t tax anybody).</p>
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		<title>By: mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll see your Connecticut and Massachussetts and raise you Chicago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see your Connecticut and Massachussetts and raise you Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: Al_Batross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al_Batross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Socialist welfare states can only exist in homogenous, mono-ethnic societies where everyone is distantly related and has self-interest not to exploit the system&quot; whiskey @ 6.  

An extremely important point, and I largely agree with Bawer&#039;s piece (thanks for making me aware of it), in which he also says “the best way to destroy such welfare systems is to take in large numbers of immigrants from poor, oppressive, and corruption-ridden societies, whose rule of the road is to grab everything you can get your hands on”. 
I am not sure that everyone needs to be genetically related, though that certainly helps, but they do  need to be related in attitude, with broadly similar ideas about the conduct of daily life. 
Sometimes those ideas may be hard to quantify, having been unwittingly absorbed at the maternal knee, but the integration of immigrants greatly depends on the willingness of immigrants to study the behaviour of their new neighbours, and detect patterns and standards of acceptable conduct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Socialist welfare states can only exist in homogenous, mono-ethnic societies where everyone is distantly related and has self-interest not to exploit the system&#8221; whiskey @ 6.  </p>
<p>An extremely important point, and I largely agree with Bawer&#8217;s piece (thanks for making me aware of it), in which he also says “the best way to destroy such welfare systems is to take in large numbers of immigrants from poor, oppressive, and corruption-ridden societies, whose rule of the road is to grab everything you can get your hands on”.<br />
I am not sure that everyone needs to be genetically related, though that certainly helps, but they do  need to be related in attitude, with broadly similar ideas about the conduct of daily life.<br />
Sometimes those ideas may be hard to quantify, having been unwittingly absorbed at the maternal knee, but the integration of immigrants greatly depends on the willingness of immigrants to study the behaviour of their new neighbours, and detect patterns and standards of acceptable conduct.</p>
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		<title>By: NahnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>NahnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your Cnnnecticut and raise you a Massachusetts - not only called &quot;Taxichusetts&quot;, but also have Ted Kennedy AND John Kerry as their Senators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your Cnnnecticut and raise you a Massachusetts &#8211; not only called &#8220;Taxichusetts&#8221;, but also have Ted Kennedy AND John Kerry as their Senators.</p>
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		<title>By: drjohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>drjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown missed the good fortune to be born in Connecticut, where the populace is so insufferably stupid that they&#039;re likely to re-elect Dodd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown missed the good fortune to be born in Connecticut, where the populace is so insufferably stupid that they&#8217;re likely to re-elect Dodd.</p>
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		<title>By: TonyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TonyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 22:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30.  Charles, not sure what Kahane has to do with what I was saying.  Really, five minutes on Google will demonstrate to you the BNP&#039;s Hitlerite bona fides.  

31.  FC, yes I&#039;m sure that muslims would be for it under the BNP as well but they really are anti-semitic as well, and the anti-semitism is more important to them when there are no cameras around.

35.  JL - any attempt to extend the term of this Parliament would force the Queen to intervene.  Don&#039;t forget to whom the armed forces wear allegiance if it comes to it.

38.  Mark - Spode is one reason why I never bought the accusations of collaboraton against Wodehouse.  More of a Blandings man myself though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30.  Charles, not sure what Kahane has to do with what I was saying.  Really, five minutes on Google will demonstrate to you the BNP&#8217;s Hitlerite bona fides.  </p>
<p>31.  FC, yes I&#8217;m sure that muslims would be for it under the BNP as well but they really are anti-semitic as well, and the anti-semitism is more important to them when there are no cameras around.</p>
<p>35.  JL &#8211; any attempt to extend the term of this Parliament would force the Queen to intervene.  Don&#8217;t forget to whom the armed forces wear allegiance if it comes to it.</p>
<p>38.  Mark &#8211; Spode is one reason why I never bought the accusations of collaboraton against Wodehouse.  More of a Blandings man myself though.</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #40 above
Hmm.  missed the end of my last sentence.  It should read &quot;&lt;em&gt;nee&lt;/em&gt;- the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.&quot;

Subotai Bahadur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #40 above<br />
Hmm.  missed the end of my last sentence.  It should read &#8220;<em>nee</em>- the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.&#8221;</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: Subotai Bahadur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subotai Bahadur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not rule out the possibility that Labour will remain in power for a very long time.  A VERY long time.  Right now they are making noises in the papers [led by an article by Baroness Blackstone] that if Gordon Brown resigns, yet another Labour Prime Minister could be inserted again with no requirement for an election.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23704796-details/New+leader+would+not+mean+election/article.do

Combine that with the Parliamentary &quot;reforms&quot; that Labour claims to want to push, which includes fixed terms for Parliament.  If they push through such a &quot;reform&quot; and create say a 5 year term for Parliament, starting the clock at the point when the reform becomes law; Labour will be in for &lt;em&gt;at least&lt;/em&gt; that long.  By that time, they will have been able, one way or another, to finish yielding British sovereignty to Brussels.  At that point they will be running the British Satrapy, &lt;em&gt;nee&lt;/em&gt; .

Subotai Bahadur</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not rule out the possibility that Labour will remain in power for a very long time.  A VERY long time.  Right now they are making noises in the papers [led by an article by Baroness Blackstone] that if Gordon Brown resigns, yet another Labour Prime Minister could be inserted again with no requirement for an election.<br />
<a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23704796-details/New+leader+would+not+mean+election/article.do" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23704796-details/New+leader+would+not+mean+election/article.do</a></p>
<p>Combine that with the Parliamentary &#8220;reforms&#8221; that Labour claims to want to push, which includes fixed terms for Parliament.  If they push through such a &#8220;reform&#8221; and create say a 5 year term for Parliament, starting the clock at the point when the reform becomes law; Labour will be in for <em>at least</em> that long.  By that time, they will have been able, one way or another, to finish yielding British sovereignty to Brussels.  At that point they will be running the British Satrapy, <em>nee</em> .</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur</p>
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		<title>By: whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not convinced that the Left is out of the mainstream. Certainly it&#039;s policies of mass immigration, destruction of the middle class, heavy government spending, find a lot of supporters.

At least in the short term, certain groups win. A lot. From the Left. Chief among them, women. Who benefit from social spending, which both props up single motherhood (no messy personal choices) AND female employment (most government social workers and education workers and health workers are women). Indeed the desire for preferences makes female workers advantaged and outside competition with White Male peers.

In the short run, this is quite advantageous. It explains why Barack Obama carried single women (who are most women in the US now) 70-29.

The long run DOES happen, however, and it seems that the long-run costs have come due: personal safety a crisis point even for women in fashionable areas, lack of ability to pay for increased female-centric government employment, Muslim political figures threatening the spoils politics by taking more than their &quot;fair share&quot; of the goodies.

I believe Leftism in the West was built on nothing more complicated than gender based spoils politics, in explicit alliances against the out of the native White male (who lacked family connections). Leftism going out of favor is nothing more complicated than previously junior partners (mostly the Muslims) taking most of the pie away from White Women.

White women retain their innate hostility towards native White men, AND the system (free market capitalism) that rewards high risk preferences (among White men). No one in Europe who is White and Female is likely to have a strong appetite for free market risk, since the winners will be mostly White Men, not White Women.

The BNP and parties LIKE IT that combine socialist risk-leveling, AND Nationalism (benefiting White Women) seem poised to pick up the most votes in long-term trends.

IF Leftist internationalism is failing, it&#039;s failing because it&#039;s core, White Women, are getting shafted in the spoils divisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that the Left is out of the mainstream. Certainly it&#8217;s policies of mass immigration, destruction of the middle class, heavy government spending, find a lot of supporters.</p>
<p>At least in the short term, certain groups win. A lot. From the Left. Chief among them, women. Who benefit from social spending, which both props up single motherhood (no messy personal choices) AND female employment (most government social workers and education workers and health workers are women). Indeed the desire for preferences makes female workers advantaged and outside competition with White Male peers.</p>
<p>In the short run, this is quite advantageous. It explains why Barack Obama carried single women (who are most women in the US now) 70-29.</p>
<p>The long run DOES happen, however, and it seems that the long-run costs have come due: personal safety a crisis point even for women in fashionable areas, lack of ability to pay for increased female-centric government employment, Muslim political figures threatening the spoils politics by taking more than their &#8220;fair share&#8221; of the goodies.</p>
<p>I believe Leftism in the West was built on nothing more complicated than gender based spoils politics, in explicit alliances against the out of the native White male (who lacked family connections). Leftism going out of favor is nothing more complicated than previously junior partners (mostly the Muslims) taking most of the pie away from White Women.</p>
<p>White women retain their innate hostility towards native White men, AND the system (free market capitalism) that rewards high risk preferences (among White men). No one in Europe who is White and Female is likely to have a strong appetite for free market risk, since the winners will be mostly White Men, not White Women.</p>
<p>The BNP and parties LIKE IT that combine socialist risk-leveling, AND Nationalism (benefiting White Women) seem poised to pick up the most votes in long-term trends.</p>
<p>IF Leftist internationalism is failing, it&#8217;s failing because it&#8217;s core, White Women, are getting shafted in the spoils divisions.</p>
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