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		<title>By: Realist</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/02/earth-versus-the-suits/comment-page-3/#comment-60468</link>
		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaffe just a small chemistry lesson CO2 is Carbon and 2 OXYGEN atoms its not Carbon HYDROXIDE its Carbon Dioxide. Plants as you say use the Carbon and exhale the OXYGEN which is good for us as we breath it. In no way whatsoever is CO2 a pollutant this is yet another big Green NAZI LIE.
And just as Global Warming changed to Climate Change once that LIE was exposed just wait for CO2 to morph in to real polluting emissions which of course any sane person wants to minimise. But of course the STUPID American Congress has already swallowed the CO2 LIE and now you have the Cap and Trade ABOMINATION. Why are Americans so stupid is it your education system your idiotic Celebrity obsessed MSM or your LYING Politicians or a combination of all three with gullibility thrown in for good measure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaffe just a small chemistry lesson CO2 is Carbon and 2 OXYGEN atoms its not Carbon HYDROXIDE its Carbon Dioxide. Plants as you say use the Carbon and exhale the OXYGEN which is good for us as we breath it. In no way whatsoever is CO2 a pollutant this is yet another big Green NAZI LIE.<br />
And just as Global Warming changed to Climate Change once that LIE was exposed just wait for CO2 to morph in to real polluting emissions which of course any sane person wants to minimise. But of course the STUPID American Congress has already swallowed the CO2 LIE and now you have the Cap and Trade ABOMINATION. Why are Americans so stupid is it your education system your idiotic Celebrity obsessed MSM or your LYING Politicians or a combination of all three with gullibility thrown in for good measure?</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#61@ buddy larsen:
re &lt;i&gt;“Sieg Heil!”, ole Hitler was your perfect modern greenie –the land, the seasons, the pagan rites, no smoking, no booze, no dissenters, all veggies &amp; plenty of good old state spending, power, control &amp; common-sense methamphetamine logic&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Don&#039;t forget forget &lt;i&gt;advanced stage syphilis&lt;/i&gt; logic he picked up at that notorious &quot;Beer&quot; Hall, where Hitler learned how to do &quot;the Putsch&quot;.

And don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;even&lt;/i&gt; get me started on those slutty Himalayas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#61@ buddy larsen:<br />
re <i>“Sieg Heil!”, ole Hitler was your perfect modern greenie –the land, the seasons, the pagan rites, no smoking, no booze, no dissenters, all veggies &amp; plenty of good old state spending, power, control &amp; common-sense methamphetamine logic&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget forget <i>advanced stage syphilis</i> logic he picked up at that notorious &#8220;Beer&#8221; Hall, where Hitler learned how to do &#8220;the Putsch&#8221;.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t <i>even</i> get me started on those slutty Himalayas</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Where does the obsession with CO2 come from?”&lt;/i&gt;

Beats me. Co2 is the best fiend anybody ever had. In a single molecule, it contains the most important atom of  life: Carbon. Plants breathe it, or rather, they consume the carbon and use it to build their cells, and uh, (ok I don&#039;t know what they do w/ the 2 hydrogen molecules, &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt; are waste products as far as the plant is concerned).

C02 is far more useful than the O2 molecule, except that it is the o2 molecule that animals need so as to cleave it in half and bond it w/ carbon atoms they have accumulated by eating food w/ carbon in it. And by doing so provide the otherwise impoverished plants w/ what they need to &lt;i&gt;prosper&lt;/i&gt;.

this cycle has repeats itself gogol times throughout the eons  recycling the &lt;i&gt;same&lt;/i&gt; carbon back and forth between its temporary Co2 form and then broken down to remove the carbon and synthesize it elsewhere, while the corrosive and reactive O2 is expelled as a waste product which makes up 21% of the atmosphere.

So, no problem. Been doin it for ages. the plants keep saying, &quot;That&#039;s just more for &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;.

My question is: what about the Carbon Monoxide (CO) molecule? Why does no one talk of that? If there&#039;s any pollution, its that red/yeller haze that coats our cities.

But more importantly, what, or how is the CO molecule eventually broken down to provide a Carbon atom and that single hydrogen atom? 

And we all know where CO comes from: incomplete combustion of Carbon, such as wood fires and internal combustion engines. It you want a villain gas, there it is. But in the scheme of things, Carbon Monoxide is &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; metabolized (broken down) in the natural course of things, or else man should be twice eternally shamed, demonized, and blamed for that Faustian bargain he made so long ago w/ the fire he discovered to keep from freezing his appendages off. &lt;i&gt;Bad,  Bad  &lt;strike&gt;Dog&lt;/strike&gt; Man!&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah right, let&#039;s dump cars as our means of transport so we can die of Typhoid Fever from all the horse manure in the streets, just like we used to. &lt;i&gt;Great Idea That!&lt;/i&gt;

It seems fitting (in a sick way) that it be Ubhamas to make me die or be all mangled from the car crash we&#039;ll git into driving one of those goll-durn &lt;i&gt;cracker&lt;/i&gt;box clown cars. 

I&#039;d rather see a return of the Corvair than that alternative. Those last Corvairs coming off the line were stylish and sporty, and I&#039;ll bet the chicks nowadays would think they were new and cool, since their historical knowledge could be fit on a fingernail, underneath the nail polish.

P.S. Agreed, we&#039;ve &lt;i&gt;got&lt;/i&gt; to stop techtonic shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Where does the obsession with CO2 come from?”</i></p>
<p>Beats me. Co2 is the best fiend anybody ever had. In a single molecule, it contains the most important atom of  life: Carbon. Plants breathe it, or rather, they consume the carbon and use it to build their cells, and uh, (ok I don&#8217;t know what they do w/ the 2 hydrogen molecules, <i>those</i> are waste products as far as the plant is concerned).</p>
<p>C02 is far more useful than the O2 molecule, except that it is the o2 molecule that animals need so as to cleave it in half and bond it w/ carbon atoms they have accumulated by eating food w/ carbon in it. And by doing so provide the otherwise impoverished plants w/ what they need to <i>prosper</i>.</p>
<p>this cycle has repeats itself gogol times throughout the eons  recycling the <i>same</i> carbon back and forth between its temporary Co2 form and then broken down to remove the carbon and synthesize it elsewhere, while the corrosive and reactive O2 is expelled as a waste product which makes up 21% of the atmosphere.</p>
<p>So, no problem. Been doin it for ages. the plants keep saying, &#8220;That&#8217;s just more for <i>me</i>.&#8221;.</p>
<p>My question is: what about the Carbon Monoxide (CO) molecule? Why does no one talk of that? If there&#8217;s any pollution, its that red/yeller haze that coats our cities.</p>
<p>But more importantly, what, or how is the CO molecule eventually broken down to provide a Carbon atom and that single hydrogen atom? </p>
<p>And we all know where CO comes from: incomplete combustion of Carbon, such as wood fires and internal combustion engines. It you want a villain gas, there it is. But in the scheme of things, Carbon Monoxide is <i>still</i> metabolized (broken down) in the natural course of things, or else man should be twice eternally shamed, demonized, and blamed for that Faustian bargain he made so long ago w/ the fire he discovered to keep from freezing his appendages off. <i>Bad,  Bad  <strike>Dog</strike> Man!</i></p>
<p>Yeah right, let&#8217;s dump cars as our means of transport so we can die of Typhoid Fever from all the horse manure in the streets, just like we used to. <i>Great Idea That!</i></p>
<p>It seems fitting (in a sick way) that it be Ubhamas to make me die or be all mangled from the car crash we&#8217;ll git into driving one of those goll-durn <i>cracker</i>box clown cars. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather see a return of the Corvair than that alternative. Those last Corvairs coming off the line were stylish and sporty, and I&#8217;ll bet the chicks nowadays would think they were new and cool, since their historical knowledge could be fit on a fingernail, underneath the nail polish.</p>
<p>P.S. Agreed, we&#8217;ve <i>got</i> to stop techtonic shift.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ever walk thru the house in the dark barefooted and krakatoa on the coffee table?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ever walk thru the house in the dark barefooted and krakatoa on the coffee table?</p>
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		<title>By: comatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>comatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magic Christian owes me for all the good green things I&#039;ve been doing since I first converted to no-chemicals gardening and hydronic heat in 1963. The little puke is still shitting yellow and he thinks he can tell ME how I&#039;m going to lead my life?

Clean up your own filthy little life, greenie, and give me 30 or 40 YEARS worth of honest, self-motivated, non-coerced enviro cred, and maybe--maybe--we&#039;ll talk. Until then, you&#039;re just another member of the cute but idealistic younger generation, unlikely to be taken seriously, and here&#039;s a pat on the head, you cute little snotnosed brat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magic Christian owes me for all the good green things I&#8217;ve been doing since I first converted to no-chemicals gardening and hydronic heat in 1963. The little puke is still shitting yellow and he thinks he can tell ME how I&#8217;m going to lead my life?</p>
<p>Clean up your own filthy little life, greenie, and give me 30 or 40 YEARS worth of honest, self-motivated, non-coerced enviro cred, and maybe&#8211;maybe&#8211;we&#8217;ll talk. Until then, you&#8217;re just another member of the cute but idealistic younger generation, unlikely to be taken seriously, and here&#8217;s a pat on the head, you cute little snotnosed brat.</p>
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		<title>By: geoffgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoffgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher C,

Consider this factoid.  Krakatoa, Pinatubo, Vesuvius, Mt St Helens and the current eruption off the Russian east coast have put more Co2 and other undesirable polutants into the atmosphere, than mankind has in its entire history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher C,</p>
<p>Consider this factoid.  Krakatoa, Pinatubo, Vesuvius, Mt St Helens and the current eruption off the Russian east coast have put more Co2 and other undesirable polutants into the atmosphere, than mankind has in its entire history.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaffe Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gaffe Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretchard: in addition to your many talents and skills, which I&#039;m sure you carry in a humble and grateful heart, you are becoming quite the VJ.

those ads where the child is telling me what a stupid adult I&#039;m supposed to be, not to mention the vengeful ACA ad agencies other brilliant work, like they did with various kids saying &quot;why don&quot;t we have health care&quot; (remember that one?) I find really gives me a bad case of the creeps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretchard: in addition to your many talents and skills, which I&#8217;m sure you carry in a humble and grateful heart, you are becoming quite the VJ.</p>
<p>those ads where the child is telling me what a stupid adult I&#8217;m supposed to be, not to mention the vengeful ACA ad agencies other brilliant work, like they did with various kids saying &#8220;why don&#8221;t we have health care&#8221; (remember that one?) I find really gives me a bad case of the creeps.</p>
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		<title>By: linny</title>
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		<dc:creator>linny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not chidlike innocence.
childish ignorance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not chidlike innocence.<br />
childish ignorance</p>
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		<title>By: Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fletcher You have avoided all the points that both Doug and I have put to you and instead pick on a very bland point to argue now why is that MOONBAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fletcher You have avoided all the points that both Doug and I have put to you and instead pick on a very bland point to argue now why is that MOONBAT.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;The only reasons why other sources aren’t being used are greed (on the part of the fossil fuel companies and the politicians their lobbyists bribe) and inertia.

Of course changing to an economy where fossil fuels are minimally used would cost money.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;
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LOL
It would cost money, but economic realities have nothing to do with it, only &quot;greed!&quot;
You contradict yourself, sir!

Greed = Democrat &quot;Leaders&quot; and leading Greenies that burn more petroleum than any of us,
warn of Global Warming,
and vote down any notion of domestic drilling or energy development in general.
...except for token &quot;renewables&quot; (which account for less than 5% of our energy budget)
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Obviously, you have no intention of ever addressing my Iceland questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>The only reasons why other sources aren’t being used are greed (on the part of the fossil fuel companies and the politicians their lobbyists bribe) and inertia.</p>
<p>Of course changing to an economy where fossil fuels are minimally used would cost money.</i>&#8221;<br />
&#8212;<br />
LOL<br />
It would cost money, but economic realities have nothing to do with it, only &#8220;greed!&#8221;<br />
You contradict yourself, sir!</p>
<p>Greed = Democrat &#8220;Leaders&#8221; and leading Greenies that burn more petroleum than any of us,<br />
warn of Global Warming,<br />
and vote down any notion of domestic drilling or energy development in general.<br />
&#8230;except for token &#8220;renewables&#8221; (which account for less than 5% of our energy budget)<br />
&#8212;<br />
Obviously, you have no intention of ever addressing my Iceland questions.</p>
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