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		<title>By: vivo</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/04/at-the-limit-of-honduras/comment-page-2/#comment-60901</link>
		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>87. Thomas, gringuito:

I hope that el negrito gringo knows what he&#039;s doing.  Hondurans shouldn&#039;t be helped.  Let them resolve their internal problems.  

But the greedy oligarchy will push their connections and feed the arm dealers and mercenaries to stay in power.  If this pisses Chavez off, you are going to have a few nightmares . . .  I&#039;m just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>87. Thomas, gringuito:</p>
<p>I hope that el negrito gringo knows what he&#8217;s doing.  Hondurans shouldn&#8217;t be helped.  Let them resolve their internal problems.  </p>
<p>But the greedy oligarchy will push their connections and feed the arm dealers and mercenaries to stay in power.  If this pisses Chavez off, you are going to have a few nightmares . . .  I&#8217;m just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/04/at-the-limit-of-honduras/comment-page-2/#comment-60899</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWFlZGEwZjdhMGJkMDYyZDg1ZDhlMWQxZTQ4MDhjZTk=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Christian Martyr in Iran?&lt;/a&gt;   [Mark Krikorian]

It looks like Neda Agha-Soltan, the young woman killed during the protests in Iran, may have been a Christian. If true, I&#039;m not sure what, if any implications there might be — some have said, implausibly, that it would undermine the idea that the reformers don&#039;t represent a real challenge to the Islamist ideology, that Mousavi is just another flavor of theocratic tyrant. I think the significance would depend on what kind of Christian she was (if any) — if she was Assyrian, say, and thus a member of a pre-Islamic Christian community, then it probably doesn&#039;t mean much. But if she was from a Muslim ethnic group but converted to Christianity, then she might well represent the early stages of the unraveling of Islam itself in Iran.
07/07 05:03 PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWFlZGEwZjdhMGJkMDYyZDg1ZDhlMWQxZTQ4MDhjZTk=" rel="nofollow">A Christian Martyr in Iran?</a>   [Mark Krikorian]</p>
<p>It looks like Neda Agha-Soltan, the young woman killed during the protests in Iran, may have been a Christian. If true, I&#8217;m not sure what, if any implications there might be — some have said, implausibly, that it would undermine the idea that the reformers don&#8217;t represent a real challenge to the Islamist ideology, that Mousavi is just another flavor of theocratic tyrant. I think the significance would depend on what kind of Christian she was (if any) — if she was Assyrian, say, and thus a member of a pre-Islamic Christian community, then it probably doesn&#8217;t mean much. But if she was from a Muslim ethnic group but converted to Christianity, then she might well represent the early stages of the unraveling of Islam itself in Iran.<br />
07/07 05:03 PM</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@85. vivo:

Be happy: el negrito (que no sabe nada de nada) your Messiah will transform the whole area into a huge Communist gulag like Cuba: Commie King like Fidel will rule for life and the people will engrave his name into Mayan style stelae akin to Yax K&#039;uk Mo&#039; also known as Hugo Chavez. The piano legged grinning tramp Hillary and the negrito also known as Messiah will be at hand to assist, just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@85. vivo:</p>
<p>Be happy: el negrito (que no sabe nada de nada) your Messiah will transform the whole area into a huge Communist gulag like Cuba: Commie King like Fidel will rule for life and the people will engrave his name into Mayan style stelae akin to Yax K&#8217;uk Mo&#8217; also known as Hugo Chavez. The piano legged grinning tramp Hillary and the negrito also known as Messiah will be at hand to assist, just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodgeblogium &#187; Honduras to OAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodgeblogium &#187; Honduras to OAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Good piece @ PJM as well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Good piece @ PJM as well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21. dan:

&quot;without US support (counterintelligence), honduras will go down. it’s like a mini-Vietnam we should win; we should probably restart operations against Ortega if we haven’t already. cordon sanitaire may make for a bad strategy against Soviets in Europe, but in Central America it is essential, in the absence of being able to nuke people from orbit.&quot;

Yes, Lord of the Planet, your airs of superiority and disdain are appalling.  How&#039;s your militia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21. dan:</p>
<p>&#8220;without US support (counterintelligence), honduras will go down. it’s like a mini-Vietnam we should win; we should probably restart operations against Ortega if we haven’t already. cordon sanitaire may make for a bad strategy against Soviets in Europe, but in Central America it is essential, in the absence of being able to nuke people from orbit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Lord of the Planet, your airs of superiority and disdain are appalling.  How&#8217;s your militia?</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve/83; how is it &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; &#039;riding a tide of resentment against the elites&#039;? Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve/83; how is it <i>not</i> &#8216;riding a tide of resentment against the elites&#8217;? Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The analysis of this article seems wanting. Zeyala was removed with the help of his own party and replaced by someone from his own party. How is that riding a tide of resentment against the elites?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The analysis of this article seems wanting. Zeyala was removed with the help of his own party and replaced by someone from his own party. How is that riding a tide of resentment against the elites?</p>
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		<title>By: bitsey g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitsey g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were up to BO..that man would change the constitution and stay on for life..why do ya&#039;ll think??  Oh come on, open your eyes!!!

agreed...&quot;from my cold dead hands&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were up to BO..that man would change the constitution and stay on for life..why do ya&#8217;ll think??  Oh come on, open your eyes!!!</p>
<p>agreed&#8230;&#8221;from my cold dead hands&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: dueler88</title>
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		<dc:creator>dueler88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leftism in its current state seems to count on quickly-deployable - and catastrophically attention-getting - memes.  If you keep yelling lies loudly and often enough they start to become Truth.  It is primarily based upon emotion, and not on logic.  In other words, it&#039;s very dangerous.

Most of us Clubbers here seem to come from a viewpoint of being very skeptical of anything that is overly-reliant on emotion - and therefore under-reliant on logic.  I have to wonder if the insistence on logic has a political strain or not.  It shouldn&#039;t, but it appears to have developed such a strain.

Conservatives are, for the most part, loathe to confront emotional (and illogical) agendas by emotional means.  Granted, such a methodology is the current paradigm of deseminating information.  But it is my heartfelt hope that Leftists will, for lack of a better phrase, snap out of it and realize that their actions have reached beyond pure ideological advocacy.

Will they ever reach a point when the ends justify *any* means, however illogical, emotional and/or harmful?  Humanity has a poor record in this respect.

But if I may get emotional for a second: &quot;from my cold dead hands.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leftism in its current state seems to count on quickly-deployable &#8211; and catastrophically attention-getting &#8211; memes.  If you keep yelling lies loudly and often enough they start to become Truth.  It is primarily based upon emotion, and not on logic.  In other words, it&#8217;s very dangerous.</p>
<p>Most of us Clubbers here seem to come from a viewpoint of being very skeptical of anything that is overly-reliant on emotion &#8211; and therefore under-reliant on logic.  I have to wonder if the insistence on logic has a political strain or not.  It shouldn&#8217;t, but it appears to have developed such a strain.</p>
<p>Conservatives are, for the most part, loathe to confront emotional (and illogical) agendas by emotional means.  Granted, such a methodology is the current paradigm of deseminating information.  But it is my heartfelt hope that Leftists will, for lack of a better phrase, snap out of it and realize that their actions have reached beyond pure ideological advocacy.</p>
<p>Will they ever reach a point when the ends justify *any* means, however illogical, emotional and/or harmful?  Humanity has a poor record in this respect.</p>
<p>But if I may get emotional for a second: &#8220;from my cold dead hands.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Robotech is correct in that in the winter of ‘39, there nothing between France and Berlin except some old men and a few cows. Hitler ran a bluff on the French. It cost them their nation and created a reputation for military incompetence that will last centuries, deserved or not.&quot;

I didn&#039;t contest that, just his deduction of our supposed  cowardise and surrendering, (that the alone Dunkeerke battle anihilated, where our soldiers had no lesson to take from any Anglo-saxon, in the contrary, Brits were safe to escape, I never see that they thank us for that, or written in their legend, or very exceptionally, but rather on american side), justified by this episode, and that that were the leitmotiv of the past decade for bashing us.

Even yourself can&#039;t help it, though you should get your mind back to what was the context, which is well grasped by the american historian of my above link.

umm, if you say Vietnam was a success, then Algeria was a super super success :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Robotech is correct in that in the winter of ‘39, there nothing between France and Berlin except some old men and a few cows. Hitler ran a bluff on the French. It cost them their nation and created a reputation for military incompetence that will last centuries, deserved or not.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t contest that, just his deduction of our supposed  cowardise and surrendering, (that the alone Dunkeerke battle anihilated, where our soldiers had no lesson to take from any Anglo-saxon, in the contrary, Brits were safe to escape, I never see that they thank us for that, or written in their legend, or very exceptionally, but rather on american side), justified by this episode, and that that were the leitmotiv of the past decade for bashing us.</p>
<p>Even yourself can&#8217;t help it, though you should get your mind back to what was the context, which is well grasped by the american historian of my above link.</p>
<p>umm, if you say Vietnam was a success, then Algeria was a super super success <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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