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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/07/05/obama-in-moscow/comment-page-3/#comment-61061</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, &quot;territory of Russia&quot; is the RF proper, while &quot;Moscow-controlled territory&quot; would be the territories where the inhabitants are just waiting around for their turn  (in Moscow&#039;s calculus)  to be dragged back into the new, reformed, USSR. 

If intimidation (via some pressure combo of military, economic, civil-disorder instigation, and petroleum-supply threat) is not &#039;control&#039;, then what is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, &#8220;territory of Russia&#8221; is the RF proper, while &#8220;Moscow-controlled territory&#8221; would be the territories where the inhabitants are just waiting around for their turn  (in Moscow&#8217;s calculus)  to be dragged back into the new, reformed, USSR. </p>
<p>If intimidation (via some pressure combo of military, economic, civil-disorder instigation, and petroleum-supply threat) is not &#8216;control&#8217;, then what is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Andres</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why use &quot;Moscow-controlled territory&quot; instead of &quot;territory of Russia&quot;?

I think I know the answer, but just wanted to ask the people who read this article do they feel the difference between the two terms and why the first one was used here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why use &#8220;Moscow-controlled territory&#8221; instead of &#8220;territory of Russia&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think I know the answer, but just wanted to ask the people who read this article do they feel the difference between the two terms and why the first one was used here?</p>
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		<title>By: veracious</title>
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		<dc:creator>veracious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>108/Mongoose,

&lt;i&gt;adding China, what do you have?  Treason&lt;/i&gt;

Unfortunately, me thinks we have death and destruction instead.  Why?  USA can no longer find enough of itself to lawfully remove a traitor and other methods would surely bring in the blue helments.  With the astronomical debt the major players of the world see USA as an outlet store; eg., a large mass of consumers.  This outlet _must_ continue operating for the time being in order to purchase a large share of other countries produce; esp. China and OPECs.  These countries and our handlers (bankers) would never allow large scale unrest.
  I&#039;m certain of that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>108/Mongoose,</p>
<p><i>adding China, what do you have?  Treason</i></p>
<p>Unfortunately, me thinks we have death and destruction instead.  Why?  USA can no longer find enough of itself to lawfully remove a traitor and other methods would surely bring in the blue helments.  With the astronomical debt the major players of the world see USA as an outlet store; eg., a large mass of consumers.  This outlet _must_ continue operating for the time being in order to purchase a large share of other countries produce; esp. China and OPECs.  These countries and our handlers (bankers) would never allow large scale unrest.<br />
  I&#8217;m certain of that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mindy rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>mindy rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it quite interesting that the only people on the earth who have the courage not to treat Obama like he above other humans are the Russians.  They are so politically savvy...it must have been a shock to Obama to have to sit and listen to Putin praise George W. Bush re Bush&#039;s hospitality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite interesting that the only people on the earth who have the courage not to treat Obama like he above other humans are the Russians.  They are so politically savvy&#8230;it must have been a shock to Obama to have to sit and listen to Putin praise George W. Bush re Bush&#8217;s hospitality.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, also,

Anyone who cares to know can find all he needs about the &quot;Russian mafia&quot; role in the September Bank Panic (not to mention the oil run-up just preceding). 

Also, anyone who wants to know will know that there is no real demarcation between the &#039;Russian mafia&#039; and certain operations within the Kremlin. One stark clue is in an examination of the cyber-warfare waged on Georgia and Latvia --it originated with a company based in St Petersburg (the so-called &quot;St Petersburg&quot; faction within the Kremlin is Putin&#039;s crew) that has been described as &#039;criminal, and protected&#039;.

Do some research, man --use the tools at your disposal. No need to read crackpots, either --there&#039;s a wealth of sovietology out there, work done by respected professionals.

there is inside the Kremlin an organization at least as brainy and creative as Google, about the same size, too, a few thousand geniuses, that is lifetime-dedicated to ending the world order as it is and resetting it with Russia in the position of the USA. They&#039;re on a roll, too, as Dan and others have noted here. 

These guys in the Kremlin --they get tapped early, and spend an honored and remunerated --and patriotic --career on just one or a few big projects --all without having to worry one whit about getting called before a congressional committee every time the white house or congress has an election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, also,</p>
<p>Anyone who cares to know can find all he needs about the &#8220;Russian mafia&#8221; role in the September Bank Panic (not to mention the oil run-up just preceding). </p>
<p>Also, anyone who wants to know will know that there is no real demarcation between the &#8216;Russian mafia&#8217; and certain operations within the Kremlin. One stark clue is in an examination of the cyber-warfare waged on Georgia and Latvia &#8211;it originated with a company based in St Petersburg (the so-called &#8220;St Petersburg&#8221; faction within the Kremlin is Putin&#8217;s crew) that has been described as &#8216;criminal, and protected&#8217;.</p>
<p>Do some research, man &#8211;use the tools at your disposal. No need to read crackpots, either &#8211;there&#8217;s a wealth of sovietology out there, work done by respected professionals.</p>
<p>there is inside the Kremlin an organization at least as brainy and creative as Google, about the same size, too, a few thousand geniuses, that is lifetime-dedicated to ending the world order as it is and resetting it with Russia in the position of the USA. They&#8217;re on a roll, too, as Dan and others have noted here. </p>
<p>These guys in the Kremlin &#8211;they get tapped early, and spend an honored and remunerated &#8211;and patriotic &#8211;career on just one or a few big projects &#8211;all without having to worry one whit about getting called before a congressional committee every time the white house or congress has an election.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve J. Nelson: why would Iran want to keep Iranian gas away from the EU?  Iran is a Russian strategic satellite; if anything they&#039;d want EU *more* dependent on Iranian energy.

it goes something like this.  first, you put former politburo member in charge in Kyrgystan.  then, you cause 9/11.  then, you have the US come in, and have to be dependent on these &quot;post-Soviet&quot; states.  then, one day, say just before or after an election in the US, you have &quot;Taliban&quot; suddenly discover the obvious move of attacking the Pakistani supply line.  then you &quot;offer&quot; Kyrgystan &quot;$2 billion.&quot;  eventually you get the USA to pay triple the rent.  then you offer USA supply routes through Russia.  gee, i wonder whether those are stable?

meanwhile, thanks to NATO &quot;eastward expansion,&quot; you have the former Communist party members who were just recently your puppets tell everything you need to know about what NATO&#039;s doing, all the while sabotaging relations among its members and complaining to the world that NATO is not even necessary anyway.  Also, you get a manchurian candidate into the white house to disarm your enemy within the first year of his ridiculous administration.

speaking of whether russia is technically marxist-leninist, i heard on npr during last night&#039;s commute that the world bank just yesterday released their (annual?) report on the relative openness of countries&#039; economies.  

out of 121, Russia is ranked 114.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve J. Nelson: why would Iran want to keep Iranian gas away from the EU?  Iran is a Russian strategic satellite; if anything they&#8217;d want EU *more* dependent on Iranian energy.</p>
<p>it goes something like this.  first, you put former politburo member in charge in Kyrgystan.  then, you cause 9/11.  then, you have the US come in, and have to be dependent on these &#8220;post-Soviet&#8221; states.  then, one day, say just before or after an election in the US, you have &#8220;Taliban&#8221; suddenly discover the obvious move of attacking the Pakistani supply line.  then you &#8220;offer&#8221; Kyrgystan &#8220;$2 billion.&#8221;  eventually you get the USA to pay triple the rent.  then you offer USA supply routes through Russia.  gee, i wonder whether those are stable?</p>
<p>meanwhile, thanks to NATO &#8220;eastward expansion,&#8221; you have the former Communist party members who were just recently your puppets tell everything you need to know about what NATO&#8217;s doing, all the while sabotaging relations among its members and complaining to the world that NATO is not even necessary anyway.  Also, you get a manchurian candidate into the white house to disarm your enemy within the first year of his ridiculous administration.</p>
<p>speaking of whether russia is technically marxist-leninist, i heard on npr during last night&#8217;s commute that the world bank just yesterday released their (annual?) report on the relative openness of countries&#8217; economies.  </p>
<p>out of 121, Russia is ranked 114.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve/116; you should perhaps look into the last couple years of news headlines re &quot;pipeline accidents&quot; and &quot;contract problems&quot; in Russia causing midwinter interruptions of gas supplies to various central European purchasers. You will see that the snark in your closing sentence is wholly unjustified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve/116; you should perhaps look into the last couple years of news headlines re &#8220;pipeline accidents&#8221; and &#8220;contract problems&#8221; in Russia causing midwinter interruptions of gas supplies to various central European purchasers. You will see that the snark in your closing sentence is wholly unjustified.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medvedev is &quot;“no less a Russian nationalist than I am”

And what exactly is unusual about that? The first duty of AN leader is to serve the interests of the nation he has been trusted to govern.

Can you imagine Barak Obama saying &quot;I am less of an American patriot&quot; than Bush or Clinton? Can you even imagine Bush saying it publicly of Obama (whatever he may privately think) even though they are not of the same party.

American governments serve American interests (or if they don&#039;t you should do something about it) - it is wrong &amp; ultimately futile to expect that foreign leaders also exist to serve American interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medvedev is &#8220;“no less a Russian nationalist than I am”</p>
<p>And what exactly is unusual about that? The first duty of AN leader is to serve the interests of the nation he has been trusted to govern.</p>
<p>Can you imagine Barak Obama saying &#8220;I am less of an American patriot&#8221; than Bush or Clinton? Can you even imagine Bush saying it publicly of Obama (whatever he may privately think) even though they are not of the same party.</p>
<p>American governments serve American interests (or if they don&#8217;t you should do something about it) &#8211; it is wrong &amp; ultimately futile to expect that foreign leaders also exist to serve American interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve J. Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve J. Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least Ronald gets some of it. Still, I think the whole idea that Russia is conspiring to keep Iranian gas away from Europe is kind of half-cocked. India and China are more interested in the same gas and will pay a premium for it. Ditto for the &#039;Stans that Russia by virtue of its geographic position supposedly has an unfair monopolistic death grip on. The Manas episode showed it really was all about the cash for the Stan&#039; overlords. There is a position (cough cough, Jamestown Foundation) that the U.S. and EU pursue uneconomic pipeline projects thru anywhere but Russia, heedless of local corruption or respect for human rights, so long as we don&#039;t have to deal with dreaded Muscovy (the anti-Russia lobby position in D.C.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least Ronald gets some of it. Still, I think the whole idea that Russia is conspiring to keep Iranian gas away from Europe is kind of half-cocked. India and China are more interested in the same gas and will pay a premium for it. Ditto for the &#8216;Stans that Russia by virtue of its geographic position supposedly has an unfair monopolistic death grip on. The Manas episode showed it really was all about the cash for the Stan&#8217; overlords. There is a position (cough cough, Jamestown Foundation) that the U.S. and EU pursue uneconomic pipeline projects thru anywhere but Russia, heedless of local corruption or respect for human rights, so long as we don&#8217;t have to deal with dreaded Muscovy (the anti-Russia lobby position in D.C.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mongoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan: not at all. Russia and the CIS region have a level of corruption that is beyond belief. It is just the USSR without all the ideological BS. It will be a simple matter to bring that BS back if need be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan: not at all. Russia and the CIS region have a level of corruption that is beyond belief. It is just the USSR without all the ideological BS. It will be a simple matter to bring that BS back if need be.</p>
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