LOL!! maybe NOW Miniter will understand the issue … but I doubt it …

You completely miss the point; we’re not talking about “imposing will” on anyone; Miniter asks why gays “demand” political obedience? Surely you (and he) realize that gays cannot enforce the demand any more than Walmart or the Born Again folks can force people to vote Republican …. but they all can — and do — advocate for what they believe is in the consensus interest of their group. What do you suppose would happen to an evangelical church member wearing a button emblazoned with “ENDA Now!” or “It’s a Woman’s Choice” … or how about just “Obama ‘08″ ?? People belong to groups. Groups advocate for positions and candidates understood to be in the interests of the membership. And the members of a group can cat their vote any way they wish.

Got it yet?

And no, you didn’t read the “soldiers” metaphor correctly. The smaller a group is, the harder it works to retain its members.

This year, you don’t pass on McCain because you’re gay, or black, or Jewish, or Hindu …. you pass on him because you’re American and his policies are poison. The only people who arguably should vote for McCain are those in the top 2% in terms of wealth/income. He’ll save you a few bucks on taxes. Then again, despite the promises, his temper and bellicose posturing may end up costing you a lot more in the long run.

But the blog’s argument is a complete bullshit red herring; Miniter can’t be as stupid as he sounds here … he’s just stirring up the pot and playing the “homo card.”

Did nobody actually read the part about WHY a gay might donate to McCain? To put it more colorfully “we can rearrange the deck chairs after we do something about the hole in the side of the ship.” You may believe the U.S. is not in existential danger. The donor, based on the reasons given in the above article, assesses the geopolitical situation differently. Why do some commentors seem to feel acting on ones own perception of the relative importance of issues in an election is shameful or wrong?

How in hell did you get to write a political blog? Is your other work this insightful? You really don’t know the answer to this question? Hasn’t occurred to you that there’s no advocacy groups calling “sweater-knitters” and “ice-skaters” an abomination, nobody trying to oust them from teaching positions, etc etc? When your army is small, you can’t afford to lose any soldiers.

What trouble do they have with a free society where everyone is entitled to go their own way? Why are they tribal, not pro-individual?

Same reason the Family Research Council is tribal. When DOMA is gone and ENDA is law, you’ll see a more pro-individual posture in the gay community at large, but not before. You’ve heard the term “rational self-interest?” You may have been around the world but you really do need to get out more often.

btw, whatever the advocacy groups say, so far as I can tell gay people vote for whomever the hell they want to

Homosexuals have rights as far as GLBT is will to give them otherwise homosexuals are forced to step down for disobeying the tribal leaders.

So if I send money to pro-life candidates is National Organization of Women going to tell me I’m not a woman?

It’s getting to be disgustingly tyrannical this Liberal Fascism.

The Lives of Others.

Of course you have the right to support whatever party you want regardless of sexual orientation – to suggest otherwise is presumptuous – but I understand why those in the gay community would be upset by this. Religious or political conservatives get upset when their evangelical or political leaders turn out to be gay – Ted Haggard is the prime example (though not the first) – and boot them out of the community entirely. (As if they even have the choice to be gay in the first place!) But the owner of Manhunt.net has the choice where to put his money, and chose to put it behind a coalition to undermine what interests the diverse gay community does generally have in common. Their interests may vary economically or circumstantially, but when it comes to GLBT rights, the Democrats have their backs on an official level much better than Republicans do.

And were’t conservatives similarly up-in-arms about who but none other than John McCain himself, because he seemed insufficiently condmening on social issues like abortion and gay marriage? Many of them said they woudln’t vote for McCain under any circumstances because of it. He’s certaianly come around for them on those issues, which is part of why most gays, too, have drawn back, and are falling behind the Dems. Why wouldn’t they?

– State bans on gay marriage

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001999067_kerrygay07.html

– A Federal ban on gay marriage

http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2007/02/lets-see-if-we-can-follow-bouncing.html

– Appealing to evangelical Christians

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/060510a.aspx

– Stating publicly that they have the “same position” as Republicans who these Democrat gay and lesbian people claim are “homophobic”.

http://instapundit.com/archives/018271.php

What that makes quite obvious is that gay and lesbian people who whine about Republicans are little more than hypocrites.

Furthermore, given the hate that gay and lesbian Democrats regularly fling against the military, including their attempts to ban JROTC from schools, block the creation of veterans’ museums, and support of resolutions calling the Marines “uninvited and unwelcome intruders”, it is ludicrous for them to complain about DADT; they have made it clear that they hate the military, and the military, in my opinion, can respond accordingly.

One wonders why, if there are so many gays who allegedly revere the military and want to serve, that they aren’t showing up at the meetings and telling off their fellow gay and lesbian people who are trashing the military. Probably because the end result would be the same as we see in the Manhunt story.

You guys are suckers and I bet you think this is a republican writing this. hahahaha

Cool-aid anyone?

I understand why they’re upset: Republicans generally HATE homosexuals, so much so that we have a shortage of Arabic translators because many were fired due to their their sexual orientation.

First, your equation of the Republicans and the Military is illustrative more of your ideological position than the truth of the matter.

Second, after you put down your copy of “The Advocate” where they are screaming “OMG!!!111THEARMYISCOOKINGANDEATINGGAYS!!!” you’d find that the vast majority of homosexuality related military discharges are SELF-INITIATED. Meaning, that people announce their orientation, for a variety of reasons, rather than a discovery at the hands of mythical gay witch hunt that is the boogyman of the gay left in this country.