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1. BREAKING: Sarah Palin's private e-mail account hacked. - Page 20 - ThePhins.com:

[...] Son of a TN State House Representitive: Richard Miniter.com Palin Hacker’s Identity is Revealed [...]

Sep 18, 2008 - 8:34 pm 2. DennyK:

Here is the tard’s myspace page.http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=414834571

Sep 18, 2008 - 8:38 pm 3. George Clarke:

Kernellgate may not have the legs of Rathergate, but they have alot in common — an illegal attempt to smear a candidate in Sept. with strong ties to the Internet. Rather was a media icon of course, too swept up in his own hubris to recognize the danger of what he was being dragged into. Kernell is a nobody who wanted to be a somebody, found nothing, then dumped his hoard on others, unplugged and zoned out. An interesting and creepy story, but since Kernell has already confessed, while still hiding behind a screen name, I do not think any more big trees will be falling as a result of this little weed being pulled up. I hope you Pajamas Folks keep digging, but I don’t have much hope you’ll uncover much else.

Sep 18, 2008 - 8:49 pm 4. George Clarke:

Wait a minute. Now I see in the Comments over at Terry Frank’s Site [http://terryfrank.net/?p=3591] that David Kernell has ties to David Plouffe, Obama’s Campaign Manager. Steady, Holmes!

Sep 18, 2008 - 9:07 pm 5. George Clarke:

What was the first “-Gate?” Somethig about one campaign trying to break into the records of another campaign for purposes of “Dirty Tricks?” Somebody help me out. What was that scandal again?

Sep 18, 2008 - 9:10 pm 6. Tired Old Cliche:

oh this is cute … all of a sudden the MSM is the be all and end all ! oh how we HATE the MSM until the agree with our UNFOUNDED ALLEGAIONS !!!!!!!

Sep 18, 2008 - 9:30 pm 7. Jim:

This left wing twirt should get 5 years hard
labor, and can never use a computer to get in the internet.
He should also pay a $250,000.00 fine and
additional fine for compensation to Sarah, oh
say perhaps another $250,000.00.

Sep 18, 2008 - 9:42 pm 8. Pajamas Media » Palin Email Hacker Suspect: a Democratic Legislator’s Kid:

[...] Read the entire piece here. [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 12:03 am 9. Brian:

Good.I hope law enforcement throw the book at him.Whats this?David Kernell has ties to David Plouffe?Watch the democratic wheels continue to fall off.Why do i sense another shoe is going to drop?

Sep 19, 2008 - 12:43 am 10. Lee:

Seems to me Obama was in Nashville recently, and seemed too smug in his demeanor. He seemed to exude the aura of having Tennessee in his pocket, and that he didn’t have to work to take over. With the revelation of the culprit on the Palin hacking, perhaps there is more to this than meets the eye, Could Obama have backed the young man financially, as well as giving him certain information? The boy’s tie-in with Obama’s camp appears to be just too coincidental to be coincidence, and it makes me very uncomfortable.

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:26 am 11. jvon:

People don’t generally do jail time for breaking into email accounts.

If he has any ties to the Obama campaign that should be a whole lot of fun though.

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:36 am 12. Sir Sefirot:

State representative’s sons in my 4chan?

It’s more likely than you’d think…

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:37 am 13. Deus:

Do you know what your kids are doing today?

Probably not. Most kids outwit their parents, lie, or their parents don’t care.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:34 am 14. KansasGirl:

These people are becoming desperate.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:35 am 15. David Kernell:

Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:45 am 16. lulzcow64:

Don’t you think that if a campaign was unscrupulous enough to hack into someones email, that they would take better advantage of it? I mean seriously, this person could have sent all sorts of incriminating emails to her contacts concerning, say, the State Trooper investigation. Then either leaked it or waited to see if the account was subpoenaed. The original kid, this David fellow, was obviously some dumb kid that got lucky and then had know idea what to do with the information he had.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:55 am 17. LeighB:

There is so much to say about this story, if true. I have just looked at several other MSM sites and not one has anything on this. Ties to the Obama campaign–if not actual ties, he seems to have the style they like.

My last question is for women everywhere–what is it going to take for you to open your eyes and think about why you support the Democrats. What “type” of woman will they support? If you have something in common with Hillary, no. If you are more like Palin, double-no. The party has a lot to answer for in how it treats the majority gender.

Sep 19, 2008 - 3:01 am 18. RE:

What’s does a little thing like the law matter if it stands in the way of The Cause?

It’s pathetic how the media treats these stories. They should be going crazy with, but it seems like only terrostists have rights to them.

The press does cover for Democrats.

There was a Florida democrat legislator’s son arrested for smuggling illegal aliens a few days ago. Hardly any reporting on it.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814344.ece

Again, where the reportinng on Ayers, Dorhn, Annenberg Challenge, Rezko, Johnson, Soros, etc? Yet they leave no leaf unturned in Wasilla, AK.

Journalists have become a patheticly dishonest breed. Thank God there are a couple exceptions to the rule.

And we a lot need a housecleaning of these congressmen and senators that the media protect through under reporting - like Jefferson in LA for starters. Barney frank deserves a closer look, too. But I fully expect them to be accomplices in the growing corruption we see in gevernment - after all, anything for Socialist Cause, anthying to weaken and undermine America and its values. Despicable.

Sep 19, 2008 - 3:47 am 19. Buckeye2:

Let’s see, the Democrats and the MSM were so worried about Bush tapping terrorist phone calls, that many of them thought it was an impeachable offense.

Now we have a Democrat politician’s son hacking and publishing the emails of the Gov. of Alaska’s personal email account. And what is the media worried about? Whether or not Palin sent one or two emails that might have vaguely alluded to government business. If anyone needs more evidence as to how unserious the MSM and Dems are, here is exhibit # 1.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:19 am 20. Herb:

“I predict that the same crowd that said that Palin should have been able to control her 17-year old daughter will defend the 2o-year old hacker by saying no one can control their kids. At least they will be right once.”

I predict you will be unable to name anyone who defends this kid. Why do conservatives think liberals are as disingenuous as themselves?

“The kid” is a 20 year old MAN, legally an adult, old enough to vote and buy cigarettes and join the military. Soon, he’ll be able to buy beer.

Oh, sure he’s a politician’s kid and what a politician’s kid does shouldn’t be put on the parents, but here you are, going out of your way to point out that this guy is the son of a Democrat.

You’re going through awful lengths to make false equivalencies, Richard, and doing it as nakedly partisan as possible.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:21 am 21. DM:

Just took a look at his Myspace page. Profile is private but from the pics and comments - nice kid. Dad must be so proud.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:29 am 22. ApplePie:

Gee isn’t this dork’s lefty Dad one of those who went into conniptions over the whole Bush Administration surveillance- issue?? Guess it’s OK for Democrats to do. Just another example of their hypocrisy.

It will be interesting to hear and see the Democratic politician’s comments on this clear ILLEGAL violation of Sarah Palin’s privacy. No doubt that “kid” David Kernell will be made into the victim — it’s the Democrat’s MO. But wait a minute! - this fellow is 20 years old - certainly no longer a kid - but you can be sure his apologists will use that description repeatedly to minimize his actions. Also, expect to find “popcorn” to have more ties into Obama’s inner circle.

I also understand that Obama is using negative campaign ads in a ratio of 77 to McCain’s 56 — yet who does all the whining, finger pointing and continuously portrays himself the victim of negative ads? - Why Obama.

Four years of “change” under an Obama presidency?? Make that four years of the culture of victimzation.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:31 am 23. Webutante:

Hi Richard….this is indeed looking pretty juicy here in Tennessee. Gill is right and a good source for more on the radical left-wing family from Memphis.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:47 am 24. trish:

I don’t consider a 20 year old a kid. The buck stops at 18 here.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:52 am 25. Rand Simberg:

If the campaign was aware of this, it’s the functional equivalent of the Watergate break in. Except that it’s likely to hit the news before the election, giving people info they didn’t have in the fall of 1972.

And then again, given the fact that the MSM seems to remain in the tank for The One, maybe not.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:55 am 26. Kirk:

This is a perfect example of Democrats and Republicans. Governor Palin’s oldest son is how old? He’s shipping off to Iraq soon. The typical leftists son already has a hopeless Perp picture circling the internet, crying and scared of being held accountable for his actions. When I was 20 I was in the AF, had my own place, drove my own car, and paid for my own mistakes. This piece of crap needs to do time.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:56 am 27. JGH:

Why are we calling a 20 year old a “kid”?

There are 18 and 19 year olds fighting, and sometimes dying for us. They are not “kids” in any sense. Nor is that guy.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:56 am 28. David Thomson:

“David says: “Shut up cunt, I’ll cut your tongue, back down Sarah Palin, you’re fucking done!” Replace “Sarah Palin” with “bitch” and Google this phrase you losers!”

The above is apparently from David Kernell’s My Space page. It is downright shocking.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:57 am 29. Bill in New York:

I didn’t realize Tennessee had an extreme-left wing Representative for 32 years… man, we need another McCarthy to draw us a map for who and where these anti-Americans are.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:01 am 30. Piano Player:

This kid’s gonna be real popular in prison: http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/printarticle.php?articleid=51769 His dance-card will be absolutely filled.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:06 am 31. Sarge:

You should edit the COMMENTS before they are printed. What is this coming to another “RAP” era on the Comments page?

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:23 am 32. Whitworth:

The msm will let this fade if we don’t keep the bright lights on this “kid”. The Dems are the party of dirty tricks and the law means nothing to them. The law is only meant to control those who oppose their will.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:25 am 33. ZEITGEIST:

[...] MINITER on the Palin email hacking story: “I predict that the same crowd that said that Palin should have been able to control her 17-year [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:41 am 34. Gerry:

Here is what he has on his Facebook page: “Looking for me? You might find me at Wolfchase Galleria, you bitches! Sarah Palin stinks and I don’t like her! When her grandchild comes out stillborn, it will still be smarter than Trig Palin! The End. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”

What a hateful little tool. I hope they throw the book at him and when he is in jail, he’ll really find out what being a “bitch” is.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:43 am 35. Hang Right Politics » Breaking News: Obama Campaign Tie To Palin Email Hacker:

[...] why. The culprit, David Kernell, is the 20 year old son of professional politician and extreme left wing …The question remains was this at his own initiative or was it at the instruction of the Obama [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 6:12 am 36. Tom W.:

Getting sick of mentally ill leftists.

Half the country needs to be institutionalized.

Sep 19, 2008 - 6:18 am 37. WR Jonas:

Whitworth has it absolutely right. The left has discarded restraint and feels no need to obey any law. It is demonstrated by the fact that they are never prosecuted .
I wonder when William Jefferson D Louisiana will be removed from The House of Representatives ? Probably right after Charles Rangel.

Sep 19, 2008 - 6:28 am 38. cedarford:

George Clarke:
Kernellgate may not have the legs of Rathergate, but they have alot in common.

God I’m sick of the journalistic and blogger lazy contrivance of affixing “gate” to any crime, scandal, or charge that their partisan opponent is a bad poopyhead-”gate” because of _____. 30+ years of that stupid shit infecting our news and opinions.

RE - There was a Florida democrat legislator’s son arrested for smuggling illegal aliens a few days ago. Hardly any reporting on it.

It’s not like the Republicans have their hands clean either. Cuban-American Republicans defied immigration law by the thousands with full support of local leadership to launch the Mariel boatlift. And it is Republicans that passed laws magically transmuting a Cuban illegal into a legal immigrant if he manages to get a foot on dry US soil.

Kirk - The typical leftists son already has a hopeless Perp picture circling the internet, crying and scared of being held accountable for his actions. When I was 20 I was in the AF, had my own place, drove my own car, and paid for my own mistakes. This piece of crap needs to do time.

Agree. The “poor, wayward child” defense of this 20-year old won’t fly far. Not when it is pointed out that over half the US guys in Afghanistan or Iraq or serving in the AF, Coast Guard, our Naval Fleet are his age or less.

Add in the tens of millions of Americans that are victims of identity theft, Internet stalking, immature assholes infecting American computers with viruses - that hardly think of “hackers” as a public good.

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As for his Dad, Mike Kernell, a big Obama backer in Memphis? I think he will be be as welcome as a public pusher of the annointed One as Mike Nifong was in N Carolina. The disgraced DA showed up in July at an Obama “get out the vote” rally festooned in Obama “flash” gear and asked how he could help Barack.

Crosses were waved, garlic necklaces donned - “Go away, Mike Nifong! Just…Go Away!”

Sep 19, 2008 - 6:34 am 39. Richard:

Putting aside the fact that this stupid kid tried to pull an information age Nixon during our election, he should be punished so that these self described ‘tards NEVER WANT to hack an email account again. I’m tired of the passwords and all the security crap these fools have imposed on us the same way I’m tired of all the other anti theft devices and strategies that are imposed on us by all the other thieves in our society. We need to start dealing with these thieves the way we used to: put him in boot hill.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:16 am 40. Von Bear:

Kernell will never be prosecuted. Democrats never are. Think Sandy Berger. The MSM will not cover the story and McCain/Palin will drop it.

A young child has made a mistake and it would be a blow to his self esteem to ruin his life.

In ten years he will inherit his fathers position.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:18 am 41. Braden:

This is reprehensible. If this Democrat (and his kid) PLUS the Obama campaign are tied to Palin’s email getting hacked into, you can kiss the Obama campaign goodbye.

You liberals keep it up, you’re doing nothing but handing the election to McCain on a silver platter.

I love it.

Now, would someone please pass the popcorn?

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:20 am 42. Will:

palin in a way invited the crime. how so?

by using private email accounts to conduct public business instead of the the public email accounts.

of course the state email accounts are discoverable and transparent!

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:21 am 43. Concerned Citizen:

Obama is reminding me a lot of Mussolini and his Blackshirts.

Besides the stadiums filled with masses of supporters that are reminiscent of a Leni Riefenstahl film with the speeches maximized for propaganda value.

He stays above the fray by saying nice platitudes, but incites his crowds with pleas to “get in their faces”. He may not directly be hacking this, but he certainly INCITES this kind of illegal, violent behavior of his supporters.

Watch carefully, it’s the National Socialist playbook all over again.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:39 am 44. Jack Okie:

Only Cedarford would consider it defying immigration laws to rescue people from communist tyranny. Please tell me you’re not a US citizen.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:43 am 45. Way Out East:

Let’s see — when I was 19 my father took gravely ill and I had to support my family with 3 younger siblings. I had to be a man. There are alot of folks that go off to war at the age of 20 - and are viewed as adults. This 20 y/o should be treated fairly under the law as any citizen should but no exceptions should be given. I guess he was a computer wizz but in actuality wasn’t really that smart.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:45 am 46. Robert Hurley:

Both cases are stupid - No one cares about Palin’s daughter or some state senator’s son - They have nothing to do with Obama or McCain and this election. This is a typical diversion from the monumental issues we should base our vote on

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:59 am 47. AdrianS:

For those lefties that wish to have tips on how to promote Barack Obama when you get in their faces:

http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=57

Throw Obama away.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:05 am 48. RE:

Obama comes form the school of Alinsky and Ayers and Dohrn and Wright, so we should not be the least bit surprised that his supporters have moved beyond keying cars with the wrong bumper sticker or steeling lawn signs.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:22 am 49. Herb:

Concerned Citizen, I invoke Godwin’s Law and condemn you back to your cave in one of those “-istan” countries.

That is, unless you want to tell me all about your experiences with Mussolini’s black shirts, you old guy you.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:53 am 50. Dark Helmet:

He’s just a kid that did something dumb. Everyone around him are the assholes

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:53 am 51. Cassandra:

It’s the digital equivalent of the new Storm Trooper … too bad eduction is so dumbed down that nobody knows these tactics are the normal MO for totalitarians … it’s how Stalin started, and corporal Hitler, and Saddam Hussein as well.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:55 am 52. cedarford:

Jack Okie:
Only Cedarford would consider it defying immigration laws to rescue people from communist tyranny. Please tell me you’re not a US citizen.

Another embarassingly stupid American who believes that Federal immigration laws can be willfully flouted. As long as the illegal is a blind Mullah “persecuted for his religious beliefs” or an economic refugee of the 4 billion out there seeking a better situation for themselves as they flee from Communist/cruel dictator/secular Islam nation “oppression”.

The Cuban-American dickheads were no different than the bozos also violating Federal law declaring “Sanctuary Cities” for illegals fleeing “repressive Latin American gov’ts”.

Yeah, billions say their country sucks, therefore they deserve to be Americans - instead of working to better their own nation. And certain dumb Americans think some poem about “wretched refuse” morally compells us to take in people that stood around and did nothing as communists or Islamic terrorists took over their country.

Face it, if Poland was near our Border, we would have 20 million “noble Polish refugees” and Poland still would have been Communist - because who would have taken any risk and fought for their freedom and Poland’s when they could have just run to America and screamed:

“Dryfoot! Dryfoot! I am all-USA hero refugee now! Now give me you great, generous benefits and sponsor reuniting by family and 30 relatives here! Oh, you Americans are so generous and wonderful. Oh, and you should also fight and die to liberate my beloved country…”

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:09 am 53. Peggy McGilligan:

The attack on Governor Sarah Palin’s privacy is inexcusable. Americans have constitutional guarantees, among them the right to be secure in their papers. In a hastily worded statement the Associated Press informed the Secret Service, “No way dude, are we givin’ up them emails. Ask anybody; she got hacked fair & square. Like get your own story man, this one’s ours.” Due to the nature of the electronic medium, the Palin case should be groundbreaking.

Mr. cell phone is not your friend: whenever one’s cell phone is switched on, just turned on, even if it’s not a GPS enabled device, it emits a signal that anyone who obtains your SIM card number may track with an array of inexpensive software. GOOGLE GPS tracking devices. The phone’s speaker can also be remotely activated for use as a listening device. Perhaps you’re wondering, as did I, how certain individuals seem to know your whereabouts, or manage to show up when and where they do. High tech lends the good, the bad & the ugly a level of sophistication hitherto unimagined. Suggest: remove the battery when not in use: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:09 am 54. Achillea:

“palin in a way invited the crime.”

Translation: She was asking for it.

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:12 am 55. RE:

Wrong is wrong. Moral equivalence justifies nothing, nor does it exonerate anything. It is obfuscation. Its intent is dishonest.

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:27 am 56. uburoisc:

Cedarford is right on this one. I sympathize with all the people of the world and their rotten regimes, but that does not compel the US to adopt a purely sentimental immigration policy that is arbitrarily enforced. Once the law becomes something filled with exceptions, the exceptions begin to define the law into meaninglessness.

As for this crybaby hacker, the way to make these smarmy computer nerds wake up and smell reality is to give them a hard fine and hard time. Breaking into someones personal property is no different than breaking into my house, rooting around, and then publishing the documents they discover in the process of committing a crime. Mrs. Palin should also sue anyone who went and published her personal email as well.

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:35 am 57. glc:

Lock up this punk.

Put him away for 10 years.

He’s a criminal.

If he is not prosecuted, where are our privacy laws?

He must be prosecuted.

Who is next?

How low will the Democrats go?

This is a crime.

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:39 am 58. glc:

Wait, this is not a “kid.”

This is a person old enough to know right from wrong.

Prosecute him to the fullest extent under the law.

Put him away.

Clearly, this person did not learn respect or honor, or anything from his Democrat father. (Why am I not surprised?)

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:41 am 59. proud elitist:

Oh, the hypocrisy.

At present, we know that a 20-year old TN Dem Rep’s kid acted like he ‘lost a password’, figured out all the security answers and cracked in. (Hacks - true computer hacks - are offended via using hacker for this event).

Absolutely wrong. Absolutely illegal.

But your hysteria and tying it to Obama is out of bounds. We don’t know yet whether this kid was doing it on his own or has ties to the Obama campaign. Just your wishful thinking.

Reminds me of this story back in ‘86. This political guy claims a bug was planted in his office. Ater the investigation was said and done it concluded that the guy was the one who planted the bug himself. That guy - Karl Rove.

You may want the book thrown at him, but you should do some legal reading and see what the probable penalty will be. It won’t be as “throw the book at him!” as you want it to be.

This kid was an adult and (presuming) did this from his own home/apartment/wherever. Palin’s kid got knocked upon on HER watch. And if the reports about Bristol being out of school for months on end…seems like she got knocked up while out of school, at home, suffering from mono.

So let’s know throw stones at glass houses about parenting…

Sep 19, 2008 - 9:54 am 60. Concerned Citizen:

Herb, Godwin’s law concerns Hitler, not Mussolini. Go look it up on Wikipedia and inform yourself.

We’re talking Blackshirts, not Brownshirts. BLACKSHIRT. These goons beat and intimidated the opposition to Mussolini and helped him gain power.

When the polls turn down again for Obama, the violence will really come out. It’s being incited from the top and in editorials exclaiming the racial war that will start if Obama is not elected. It’s sad, really.

Why are Obama supporters afraid of a fair and honest debate of the issues without slandering and intimidating the opposition?

You are right my cave is in the middle of one of one of the most intolerant places on Earth, at least if you are not a socialist Democrat, Marin-istan California.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:00 am 61. Anonymous Patriot:

Popcorn Kernell is a butt hole and an adult, and should be treated as such.

If he was in fact hired by his politician father or the nObama campaign to do this, then the drive-by media should do their job and investigate it and report the facts to the American people…but they won’t. Ever heard the term “Yellow Journalism?” It is alive and well in today’s media.

Does anyone remember Watergate? Oh, wait- that was a Republican trying to dig up dirt on a Democrat.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:09 am 62. Johnnie Byrd’s Weekend » Blog Archive » September 19, 2008 Talking Points:

[...]             Hillary ran from the event when she found out self-made success story Sarah Palin was invited (FOX News).  From another story:  A spokesman for the event, Glen Rosencrantz, would not confirm a Politico report that several high-profile Jewish Democrats had pressured the organization to nix Palin from the event.  But in a conference call with reporters Thursday, Ira Forman, the Executive Director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, said his group strongly disapproved of Palin’s invitation to the event (CNN).  Meanwhile, Palin was on Hannity and Colmes and their ratings shot up (TV Week).  Also, the Palin hacker was identified, and he’s the son of a left-wing Democrat (Pajamas Media).  [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:29 am 63. Herb:

Concerned Citizen, Please provide me with evidence that the Obama campaign is intimidating people with violence. It’s…just…not…happening.

Also, your reference to “National Socialism” was not a reference to Hitler? Since you’re no doubt aware that Mussolini was a Fascist and Hitler a National Socialist, perhaps you should give me some credit for deducing the true meaning of your remarks.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:34 am 64. Neocon Hippie:

Technically, he did not hack the account. Using good guesses derived from publicly available information Mr. Kernell tricked Yahoo mail into assigning a new password for the account.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:46 am 65. The Rollator:

Breaking into an email account is a crime, generally not prosecuted, normally brought into complaints in civil proceedings to introduce or discount evidence, etc.

However, since goober stated–to the AP!–that his intent was to bring down Palin, he was trying to interfere in a presidential election in a manner not legally protected. He could easily be prosecuted for attempted election fraud, or some variation thereof. The biggest problem: he admitted it! He can get in bigger trouble for those few sentences than the actual violation of Palin’s privacy and the distribution of her private emails to the AP.

The Obama campaign isn’t trying to intimidate folks with violence, per se. They sure aren’t shy about throwing nosy ABC reporters into jail, however.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:54 am 66. RE:

Herb,

How about vandalism to vehicles with McCain/Palin stickers? Of course that’s not unique to this campaign and Obama. Gore and Kerry supporters seemed awfully fond of the practice.

Then there are the campaign’s inciting Obama supporters to shut down WGN radio’s Milt Rosenberg shows featuring with Stanley Kurtz and David Fredosso.

The there are the Obama campaigns lawsuit threats are requests for DOJ investigations in order to silence critics.

We saw protestor dropping bags of concrete from highway overpasses onto busses of GOP Convention delegates in Minnesota.

While are short of physical violence directly against a person (except for the concrete bag drops), they still are dishonorable acts of intimidation. Physical violence against a person is the next logiocal step in this escalation, especially after Obama’s call for to ‘get in their face’.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:00 am 67. trangbang68:

This kid reminds me of Mike McGee’s kid in Milwaukee. McGee was a radical racist Black councilman. His kid slashed tires on Republican vans in 2004 intended to ferry elderly people to the poles. The left are not producing little fornicators (or are unconcerned if they do), but are turning out little political terrorists it seems.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:05 am 68. Amphipolis:

Check out this PBS poll - Do you think Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as Vice President of the United States?
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

I must have missed the poll on whether Obama is qualified to serve as President.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:11 am 69. Clyde:

The most current info I found on this:

http://www.crn.com/security/210602693

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:18 am 70. Citizen:

And, the media continues to throw the race card in attempting distract people and to force Senator Obama’s selection as President.

It is time for people to respond en masse to let these media outlets know that we are tired of their manipulation of the news. If you are concerned, you can start by reading this article:

Washington Post Faults McCain For Relying On…Washington Post
http://corner.nationalreview.com/

and replying to Deborah Howell, the Ombudsman at The Washington Post, here:
ombudsman@washpost.com

If we all remain silent on this type of advocacy journalism and race-baiting we will get the President we deserve…a scary thought indeed.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:29 am 71. GayPatriot » Palin’s Email Account Hacked By Son of TN Democrat:

[...] Palin Hacker Identity Is Revealed - Pajamas Media [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:50 am 72. Rubicon:

All should be aware that Mussolini & Hitler blurred the line between National Socialist & Fascist. By the time the world was at war with their oppressive regimes, the two morally bankrupt movements were one in the same & each was as despicable as the other.
Based on his comments on his Facebook page, “Popcorn” Kernell is obviously a rabid leftist. And, in America, that is his right.
What is not his right is to hack into computer systems & circumvent security features to steal private email account information. In addition, posting that private info to the internet represents a serious breach of privacy.
Whether the account was a public Yahoo account or a private email service account from another provider, hacking into the account & releasing info regarding its contents, does represent a criminal act. Whether according to law this represents a serious crime will depend on how the criminal codes are written & interpreted by a District Attorney & a judge. Whether this is treated as a state issue or a federal issue is also up to the various prosecutors with jurisdiction over these types of crimes in that particular region of the country.
I doubt the kid is an official part of the Obama campaign. He may be out there drumming up votes for Obama & he may also be out there knocking McCain & Palin at every opportunity (evidenced by his gutter talk about Palin on his Facebook page), but that does not mean he is an official member of the Obama campaign.
We know his father is a leftist by his voting record & his political activities. We know his father educated his son at home in the ways of the world according to Dad’s perspectives. This means the kid thinks as Dad does when it comes to politics & obviously has learned some serious dirty tricks style functioning, since hacking into the email account & subsequently releasing the emails contents to the internet, represents dirty tricks style political activity.
Lets face it, Tricky Dick (Nixon) & his cohorts led the way on this issue. They established the standards on the subject.
Nixon should have let the law take its course rather than trying to protect & cover for his over zealous flunkies. But, that is history & is done.
I do doubt the media will make any serious effort to determine if the kid really is connected to the Obama campaign in any significant &/or official or semi official capacity. That’s a real shame since we all know the media would let no stone unturned if this involved a Republican & his kid.
tried to look at the Terry Frank link, but ran into a “bandwidth exceeded” notice. Obviously, a whole lot of people want to see & learn more about Popcorn K.
For me, there are obvious questions to be asked of Popcorn’s, motivations, intentions, & what results he hoped to achieve.
“Why would someone who is obviously computer literate enough to work the angles & hack into an email account, be dumb enough to post what they have stolen, on the internet?”
“Did Popcorn simply overlook what negative affects his actions could have for his father, the Obama campaign, Democrats, the leftist movement to socialize America, etc?”
“Did Popcorn actually believe or not understand that once he posted his ill-gotten info to the internet, his identity was going to be discovered sooner or later?”
“Is the Obama campaign going to take or expound on an official position on this activity & on any criminal activity like this, since whether directly or indirectly, the Obama campaign is connected & obviously many will surmise their is a connection?”
(If Obama fails to disavow this activity, condemn it &/or any that has taken place, is taking place, or may take place in the future, then many will draw the conclusion that Obama is simply hoping the issue will go away. The media will help in that regard since they will surely do little to follow up unless there are legs on this as yet unknown, while concurrently mocking anyone who asks any questions about this event.)
Popcorn needs to be prosecuted. Popcorn’s Dad needs to condemn what his son did. And all need to make sure to watch closely for any activities of a similar nature, just in case this actually is an operational strategy of a supportive leftist organization, is a strategy of the official Obama campaign (which seems unbelievable), or is an activity of the Democratic National Campaign (DNC), which in my opinion is equally unbelievable.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:58 am 73. Will:

Palin Ux (wife) needs to be prosecuted for conspiring to circumvent and nullify the Alaska open goverment law.

Palin Vir (husband) should be prosecuted for disrespecting a lawful supoena.

the yahoo email kid should get community service de-fragging the proabtion office harddrives.

Sep 19, 2008 - 12:15 pm 74. Concerned Citizen:

Herb, implied threats of violence by Obama supporters have the same effect as actual violence.

Sandra Bernhard saying today that “Sarah Palin would be gang raped by blacks in Manhattan”.

Link here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/19/2008-09-19_sandra_bernhard_issues_gang_rape_warning-2.html

I’m going to guess Sandra Bernhard doesn’t support Sarah Palin.

Do you consider the threat of rape to be violent?

Isn’t this the kind of thing the Blackshirts did to help Mussolini?

The lawyers will argue that she didn’t really mean it, it was a joke. Really?

Look into your heart, how can you support this kind of mean-spirited behavior?

This doesn’t make Obama look good to the independent voters who are trying to decide which candidate to vote for.

Sep 19, 2008 - 12:28 pm 75. Joshua:

the same crowd that said that Palin should have been able to control her 17-year old daughter will defend the 2o-year old hacker by saying no one can control their kids

Not to contaminate your ranting with common sense, but you do know that, legally, a 17 year old is a minor and a 20 year old is an adult, right? And you grasp all the details implied by that — Gov. Palin being legally responsible for Bristol’s actions, the fact that the Republican platform backs a requirement for minors — like Bristol Palin — to have parental consent before they can get birth control and so on.

I mean, does Kernell even live at home?

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:15 pm 76. Donnie Mac Leod:

lulzcow64: Wrote”
Don’t you think that if a campaign was unscrupulous enough to hack into someones email, that they would take better advantage of it? I mean seriously, this person could have sent all sorts of incriminating emails to her contacts concerning, say, the State Trooper investigation. Then either leaked it or waited to see if the account was subpoenaed. The original kid, this David fellow, was obviously some dumb kid that got lucky and then had know idea what to do with the information he had.”"

Seems the only way the kid would be able to leak such info, would be by creating the info as no such info was in her Email account. Hope I wasn’t moving to fast for you.

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:27 pm 77. Mark Garrity:

Don’t be so hard on this 20 year old young adult…. He is just aspiring to be a Democratic Internet Community Organizer

Sep 19, 2008 - 1:34 pm 78. 5qu1rr3l:

Being someone in both Information/Network/Computer Security and someone who frequents 4Chan and occasionally has had dealings on the black hat side of things (not any more, I’ve been a good white hat hacker for over a decade)… I can tell ya the following:

1) Sarah Palin’s email account wasn’t “illegally hacked”, according to the law. See, Yahoo doesn’t guarantee privacy, nor does it have any sort of sophisticated security which must be broken. The perp simply answered the ‘password reset’ questions correctly.

2) This was not a campaign supported attack. It’s pure Anonymous style and the event, if it had been an attempt by the Obama campaign, would have been kept quiet, the password would have been changed, the whole inbox downloaded and then, IF something was found, they would have published it. SoP, the most basic tenant of hacking (if you’re doing something specific) “KYFMS!” (Keep Your ……. Mouth Shut). The public bragging that went with this was typical hacker ‘counting coo’.

In theory, it could be a vast left wing conspiracy. But, Occam says it’s more likely a 20 year old kid with some hacking cred, a connection to Anon resources and a desire to pull off something worth bragging about.

However, it does say a lot about our political climate, and possibly this kids indoctrination, when a citizen of this country is ‘assumed’ to have evil secrets simply because of their political affiliation… on 4Chan, the person claimed that they were disappointed in the lack of incriminating evidence that they assumed would be there… and I imagine that some 20 year old GOP kids would feel the same way about their fellow citizens that happen to be blue rather than red. What a great future these partisan jerk offs have made for the rest of us. I would thank these anti-American GOPers and Democrats, but I’m sure that somewhere, deep down, they know who and what they are.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:06 pm 79. Herb:

Concerned Citizen, if the polls are to be believe, the term “Obama supporters” describes half of this country. Do you think that 50% of the citizens are encouraging violence?

I have to say, the examples cited above seem like small isolated incidents…outliers to use the term. Based on the number of Obama supporters out there, and the number of incidents you have been able to locate, I’d say it’s both rare and isolated.

(Notice I didn’t mention Sandra Bernhard at all. While I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, including Sandra Bernhard, I’m not sure who made her Obama’s spokesperson, and to be honest, I don’t care what she has to say on the subject. And neither should you.)

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:10 pm 80. Palin’s Hacker Likely Caught « Tai-Chi Policy:

[...] Computers and the Internet, Crime, Politics, Sarah Palin. trackback It looks like the attack was committed by a son of a Democratic state representative of Tennessee. He (the son) may have some Obama connections, although no doubt he was acting on his own. Richard [...]

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:12 pm 81. Macgawd:

I for one don’t believe the polls are accurate at all. Most of these polls are created by MSM outlets, who are all unabashedly in the tank for Obama. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if McCain’s numbers are being seriously under-reported.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:44 pm 82. Heather:

This kid reminds me of Mike McGee’s kid in Milwaukee. McGee was a radical racist Black councilman

I think you mean U.S. Congresswoman Gwen Moore’s son, “Supreme Solar Allah”. Not sticking up for McGee in any way, just want to make sure everyone gets the appropriate credit for their criminal acts.

Sep 19, 2008 - 2:50 pm 83. Herb:

Macgawd, So let me get this straight….

You believe the media is “in the tank” for Obama, apparently without any supporting evidence, but you’re not going to believe the polls, despite the pollsters having the documentation to back them up.

Your powers of logical analysis are blinding!

Sep 19, 2008 - 3:25 pm 84. Concerned Citizen:

Herb, to answer your question, I never claimed that 50% of the citizens are encouraging violence, I am saying that One Citizen is advocating “getting in people’s faces” and the effect this has on a mob is still out for judgement — I have a hard time seeing how any good can come of it.

As for politically motivated incidents of property destruction, assault or trespass — if it is a “small isolated incident”, you would be correct; it’s an outlier. From what I can tell by the comments on this article and in other forums, this kind of behavior is now routine.

As Senator Obama said in one of his famous speeches, “Words Matter”. His words and those of his supporters have more power than they realize.

Sep 19, 2008 - 3:50 pm 85. trangbang68:

Thanks Heather for the correction. I believe McGee’s kid committed some atrocity ,but I could be wrong.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:05 pm 86. Javelin:

RE,
Talk about paranoia, a state rep’s kid from Tennessee and you act like it was Obama’s wife.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:35 pm 87. Javelin:

Concerned Citizen?
so you troll the web looking for comments from some nut like Sarah Bernhard and all Obama supporters are in the tank with her? You must have a really dull life if that gets your undies in a bunch. That’s right, throw the brown-black shirt angle in too, to really show off your ignorant contard creds. Just reading numerous comments from your ilk on this blog it would seem you are hoping some sort of revolt so you could have an excuse to gun all the blacks and liberals down!

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:43 pm 88. Mark:

Robert Hurley:

Both cases are stupid - No one cares about Palin’s daughter or some state senator’s son - They have nothing to do with Obama or McCain and this election. This is a typical diversion from the monumental issues we should base our vote on
————————————-

No. One event is illegal and being investigated by the Secret Service and FBI. The other, teenaged pregnancy, is not illegal.

Don’t try to trivialize someone hacking into the email of the governor of a state, and a vp candidate, and pretending to be that person to do so.

One of these people, Kernell, is a criminal.

The other one is not a criminal.

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:45 pm 89. cedarford:

Let’s be honest. Jew-Girl would not have had her audience at the DC Jewish Community Center if she had proposed instead that white meth-heads under her (implied) command target and rape Michelle Obama.

She would have been an instant outcast amongst Jews. Not ever given another gig.

But the Jews assembled, instead, roared in laughter.

Why?

Because Bernhard successfully portrayed Palin, in Jewish eyes, as a white Christianist deserving to be raped.

Now you got Uncle Women, like Sarah Palin, who jumps on the s–t and points her fingers at other women. Turncoat b—h! Don’t you f–kin’ reference Old Testament, bitch! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bulls–t! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you b—h! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion! It is no longer taken literally! You whore in your f–kin’ cheap New Vision cheap-ass plastic glasses and your [sneering voice] hair up. A Tina Fey-Megan Mullally brokedown bulls–t moment.

Well, this stinking Jew deserves to have her ugly face rifle-butted if she ever tried to go past “comedic excess” to an actual attack by what she thinks are her “loyal black animal Niggahs” on the VP nominee.

Then billed 50,000 for beneficial plastic surgery by security people who can say pounding her face to paste improved Sandrah’s looks.

The slimey Jew-Boy in charge of the DC Jewish Community Center, Israeli-born Avi Roth, said this defending her “niggahs will gang-rape her if I say so, schtick”:

We’re proud of our producing — proud of Sandra’s sense of timing — taking the fight out to the house and to the street beyond, channeling so much of our rage and frustration at the bizarre recent twists of fortune since Karl Rove trotted out Sarah Palin for John McCain to briefly meet and then get in bed with.Sandra’s face is hanging 10 feet tall in a banner over the DCJCC steps and we’re proud that she’s a new emblem and ambassador for our theater and our center. She’s not the only one who represents us. But her large heart, her generous talent, and her big mouth are all a big part of who we are.

The same Jew-boy would be calling for apologies, groveling, and lifetime blacklisting if a non-Jew comic ever assailed
minorities or Jews with gang-rape threats as a joke.

Jews are generally incredibly smart, cunning, gifted individuals who sometimes are the world’s finest talent - but always get in trouble in creating real friction when when as groups and cabals - they do incredibly dangerous or bigoted stuff.

The spiel is that Jews have been tossed or made very unwelcome, eventually tossed or killed in 52 of 58 cultures they have been in - “because of the irrational psychological disorder of anti-Semitism”. While Jews are pure as lilies.

Well, is America next up because we cannot abide a “wildly popular amongst Jewish Community Center members comedian who wishes to convey images of (1)inferior black animals at her beck and call (2)raping and subjugating any white Christian woman who dispeases her?

I’m beginning to understand why cultures that embraced diversity, like ancient Greece, Rome, the Ptolemys, the Caliphate, the Moors, Spain, the Brits, modern 20th Century France, Germany, Russia and the whole Ummah - finally sought to remove Jewish influence.
That when Jews wanted a homeland, the feeling was, OK, but nowhere near our people…we fear for their safety, economic exploitation.

Trying to balance Jewish talent and many gifts against Jewish cancers like Bolshevikism, the modern ACLU, and the Sandra Bernhards. Should they stay or should they go?

Sometimes, it appears that what Jews alledge is the “psychological infirmity” of 189 of 191 nations prevails. They best be gone. Sacred law and Constitutions erected as legal shields nonwithstanding….

Sep 19, 2008 - 4:53 pm 90. Susanl:

cedarford,

I’m new here, but mister, you can stick it. That is the most offensive tripe I have ever read.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:35 pm 91. Herb:

cedarford, you wouldn’t happen to be a member of Stormfront, would you? I’m sorry, but you sound like you really don’t like Jewish people. You ever met one?

Concerned Citizen, I’m glad that you’re not willing to smear half the country, which so many people seem to do with ease these days. (Cedarford smeared a whole race!) I also think that people who take the “get in their faces” remark to mean “do criminal acts” are misinterpreting it, and the guy who says “get in their faces” has no fault at all.

Sep 19, 2008 - 5:38 pm 92. Marc:

Just an observation about your first point: there’s a big different between a 20 year old off at college and a 16 year old living under your own roof.

Sep 19, 2008 - 6:23 pm 93. Red Blooded American:

cedarford: seek help

to all: why was Palin conducting state business from a yahoo email address? It is well known that these are very insecure. Banks etc. always recommend against using them even to register. The hacker guy was out of line and such abuses and invasion of privacy is inexcusable. But the world is full of people like that and high officials need to have better judgement than she showed in this instance by not using a secure email.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:06 pm 94. Donna V.:

There are 18 and 19 year olds fighting, and sometimes dying for us. They are not “kids” in any sense. Nor is that guy

Quite true. But remember, the Democratic Party is the party of infinitely prolonged adolesence, which is why the Hollywood crowd feel so comfortable on the Left.

At the Dem convention, the troops were not portrayed as brave young men and women, but as pathetic children in need of largesse from liberals. Is it any wonder that this pitiful geek, a Congressman’s son born and raised in privilege, is a snotty little brat with no sense of decency? Leftists want us all to be dependent kids, forever suckling on the government teat. That is not a mentality which produces strong, self-sufficient, ethical adults. Libs are threatened by people like that - hence the outpouring of venom directed at Palin.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:10 pm 95. Evil Pundit:

The fact remains that a criminal Obama supporter committed a political crime.

It seems that most of the people who commit political crimes in the US are Obama supporters.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:38 pm 96. Kelly:

Braden…”now would someone please pass the popcorn?” That line made my night. Halarious….thanks. I know, it doesn’t take much to make me giggle.

Sep 19, 2008 - 7:54 pm 97. Rose, New York:

Maybe he works for Obama. What we have here is Palin Hysteria and they will stop at nothing to try to find dirt on her. Bunch of low lifes.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:14 pm 98. Rose, New York:

I hope they throw the book at him.

Sep 19, 2008 - 8:17 pm 99. fred:

Look, if the government is not going to prosecute the NYT and the leakers in the Pentagon, CIA, and State Department, they aren’t going to put this guy in the slammer. The reason why Leftists are becoming so bold is not so hard to figure out.

1. They have been getting away with malfeasance for some time.

2. They have most of the legal establishment on their side.

3. They are getting desperate. Sarah Palin scares the feces out of them.

4. Lenin said anything done to further the Party’s goals and the furtherance of the proletariat’s revolutionary consciousness is legit.

That piece of excrement did it because I believe he was encouraged to do so. It may be hard to prove, but logically it is difficult to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Ties right back to Obama’s campaign people. Hell, the manager of his official web site is an open Communist (and also a Harvard grad).

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:36 pm 100. Tcobb:

Anybody who does what the little “boy” here did needs to convicted as a felon and do some time. It won’t happen–having a felony conviction might harm his chances of having a political career, and the members of the political class always take of their own. If he didn’t have political connections through his family he would be in jail right now while the investigation proceeded.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:42 pm 101. Tcobb:

Gosh–wouldn’t it be funny to dump Sandra Bernhard in the middle of the Gaza Strip so that she could be gang raped by Arabs? Isn’t that witty and funny?

No, its not. But if you thought that her remark about Palin was but that the scenario above isn’t then it says something really ugly about you.

Sep 19, 2008 - 10:59 pm 102. trangbang68:

Cedarford, I picture you writing that dissertation with Richard Wagner playing in the background, hoisting a Bavarian stein. That was heavy Jew baiting pal. Sandra Bernhardt is a deranged liberal looney tune.Her nationality doesn’t matter. Take a rest, dude.

Sep 19, 2008 - 11:09 pm 103. watchit:

seriously, does this compare with the refusal of Palin and her husband to testify in the Troopergate incident inquiry ? what about her constant lying? what else are they hiding?

The stench reminds us of Watergate (another Republican coverup) and has now reached the “Lower 48″ (States) - but it was fun watching the boomtown babe from Hicksville try to play blind-man’s bluff in the arena of big-time American politics - particularly with the horrendous problems facing the country at this time. This is a farce and it isn’t funny or interesting anymore.

Sep 20, 2008 - 2:30 am 104. 888:

Will, as usual, there are people like you who are apologists for anything liberal or pro-Obama. This mini-version of Watergate (breaking in to eavesdrop and gather dirty laundry) is another example of a double standard and hypocrisy at their extreme. And, again as usual, the MSM gives this idiot 20-yr old liberal loser (LL) a pass. Throughout this campaign, you LLs have done everything you can to bring down McCain and now Palin. Just a few days after McCain picked Palin for his VP, LL radio commentator, Ed Schultz, proudly announced on his talk show that he was going up to Alaska with his group of LL thugs to go dig up dirt on Palin. These people are desperate, and they’ll stoop to any level to destroy those they fear most. They know Palin’s not just a pretty face. She’s smart, she’ll make meaningful changes that will help everyday Americans and will earn America’s trust and confidence. Somewhere down the line, she will go against Hillary for the Presidency, and that’s what the liberal establishment fears the most. That’s why they want to bring her down now. Always the unpredictable chess player with an independent streak, McClain is a genius because he created the future of the Republican Party — middle class, smart, strong-willed working women. What a visionary. Obama, with hubris in hand, couldn’t stomach having Hillary as his VP, so now it’s coming back to haunt him and his gang of LLs.

Sep 20, 2008 - 2:54 am 105. fp:

Concerned Citizen:

“Obama is reminding me a lot of Mussolini and his Blackshirts…

[...Stadiums of zealots...]

…Watch carefully, it’s the National Socialist playbook all over again.”

——-
Concerned citizen,

Everything is not fascists vs ‘freedom’.

Your type’s “greatest generation” lingering vibe is part of why modern western conservatives are stimied in ‘cross purposes’ clay.’

Everything is not fascists vs ‘freedom’. (This in spite of what nice p47* propaganda footage would have you believe. [*WWII allied plane])

The ’sides’ (underpinning it all):
‘Liberals’ are generally lactose-intolerant four-eyed types that ‘throw like girls’. They are just angry because of this and feel justified in whatever they do to balance it out. The fascist and NS types –generally healthier in phenotyoe –were expressly specifically against those types ascending.

When liberals ‘win’, it is NOT fascists winning –_regardless of the tactics for victory_ (or your ‘greatest gen.’ opinions of those tactics).

There is most probably no such thing as a world without government control and its stadiums of brainswashed ’symbol’ worshippers.

By not accepting that, conservatives damn themselves to eternal defeat at its hands…

—-
What are the implications for Man?

Ie What are the implications for the endless stream of variations coming from our loins (eg ‘four eyed’ and ‘healthy’) fighting in profound Darwinist nest-pushing-chick battles? (Be these variations old ‘races’ or simply new ever-forming phenotypes?)…

I don’t know.

But my above is fairly accurate framing of situation. Your’s, Concern. Citizen, is not (and confounds the underpinning issue).

Everything is not fascists vs ‘freedom’. (Even if color WWII film footage is neat.)

Sep 20, 2008 - 3:12 am 106. Herb:

Evil Pundit:
“It seems that most of the people who commit political crimes in the US are Obama supporters.”

Obviously you’ve never heard of Jim Adkisson. Here, let me help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_David_Adkisson

Compare the e-mail hacker with the rampage killer who attacked a church. Tell me which one is worse.

No party has a monopoly on political violence. It behooves you to remember that before you peddle your nonsense.

Sep 20, 2008 - 5:23 am 107. Donnie Mac Leod:

As a Blue eyed Christian sporting a Scottish Canadian history I don’t think Jews are to be blamed for Sandra Bernhard’s ignorance. In fact her comments are no better then Goebbels or any other hate monger in society. Bernhard’s Reason???? She has an abhorrent and unreasonable hatred for a woman who has attained a pinnacle that Bernhard wasn’t even considered for. Palin did it her way as a working mom, while clinging to her Religion & Constitutional rights. Palin had the audacity to do so while raising a family with a husband that epitomizes Macho strengths and a motherly/new age man’s, support for his wife and family. Looks good on Palin and extremely bad on Bernhard in this exchange where one woman would want to command the rape of another woman to satify her own lust for power over the rights of the raped woman. Unfortunately the hate mongers in the feminist movement are unable to think that deeply..

Sep 20, 2008 - 5:52 am 108. Donnie Mac Leod:

Back to the issue at hand. If someone leaves a letter on a table in front of me unopened , I would not read it unless asked to. I do not have the right nor ignorance within me to do so. Searching out the private maters of someone on the internet in the Methodology that the hacker used is wrong and certainly not the methodology that was used by the Pony Express agents that helped to build your nation. They risked their lives to ensure the integrity of the mail system your country built and which contained many secrets to be opened by the person that the letter was addressed to. That is how important privacy was to them and the people that set up the ORIGINAL INTERNET in North America. Sadly some folks just don’t understand such nuances and would be proud to destroy the privacy of others. If this were Jesse Jackons or Hilary Clinton’s account, the heads would have been rolling like corn cobs on the way to a feed lot. The outrage would reach a cresendo that would have paled the lofty noise measurements of Katrina. But it is only a back water Governor from a (so called) right wing party in Alaska. In fact her political actions show more left of center applications then a lot of Democratic Governors have shown. I strongly doubt the ACLU will be picking up on this breach of individual privacy .It is obvious that some folks put support of a party that supposedly supports individual rights & privacy above the individual rights and privacy of a leader in the OTHER PARTY. Especially if they think they can find dirt or insinuate dirt in the exercise.

Sep 20, 2008 - 6:12 am 109. McSame:

If you can’t understand the difference between a state rep having influence on his 20 yr olds computer habits and a potential VPs influence on her 16 yr olds pregnancy habit than you people really are that dumb. What is the controversy and the hypocrisy? Please name one national democratic figure that is supporting this hacker. Did his rep of a parent come out in favor of computer values? because I am pretty sure governor Palin presents herself as being against sex education which she obviously knows nothing about. If she plays so fast and loose with her own household and little Alaskan administration just what would she do with the country?

Sep 20, 2008 - 6:48 am 110. David B Smith:

When is someone going to get all this stuff out to the people. We know the mainstream media is going to do it, but it has to get out to the people and it has to be now. The Dems will cry that it’s all negative crap but its some scary stuff. This Obama scares the hell out of me. He reminds me of a character in a book i read…can u all say ANTI-CHRIST..read it and you tell me…if he gets elected we are in serious trouble here folks and i dont mean the economy or taxes and such..im talking he is going to sell us out to the muslims and radicals, who make the Dems look Conservative…we are in big trouble people…BIG TROUBLE..mark my words. He has millions of people awestruck, no matter how bad he is and things he does they are blinded. Just like the Anti-Christ who comes out of nowhere with no experience and just takes over for no apparent reason..WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT TO THE MASSES…and btw..i am not a holier than thou Christian. Just a regular person like most, but this man is just not right…something is very wrong here. How else can someone like him be involved with so many wrong radicals, who can for infantcide, who can pray the prayers of Islam, who has a wife who isnt even proud of America, etc. and people still follow him…use your own judgement on this. You dont have to be a big time Christian to figure this out…GOD BLESS US ALL…WE WILL NEED IT

Sep 20, 2008 - 6:51 am 111. David B Smith:

Sorry about a typo above..i meant to say the mainstream media ISN’T going to do it…

Sep 20, 2008 - 6:52 am 112. Peet:

“to all: why was Palin conducting state business from a yahoo email address?”

I see leftards asking that over and over here, but not an iota of proof. In fact, the subject of this story says it is *not* so…and he read her email looking for dirt.

Sep 20, 2008 - 7:17 am 113. RE:

McSame,

It fails the role reversal test. Failure to denounce is tacit approval.

Sep 20, 2008 - 7:22 am 114. Donnie Mac Leod:

You hit the mark RE:

Instead claims about what McSame wants to be believed about Palin,are substituted as a backdrop to the fact that Palin’s privacy was invaded and the rancor that one would see coming down the pipes from folks in ACLU type positions if it were some prominent Democrat are not visible.

Sep 20, 2008 - 7:40 am 115. trangbang68:

Really McLame. Palin can’t control every waking moment of her daughter, shame on her. The lib in Memphis can’t be expected to prevent his kid from cybercrime. That’s understandable. Go stand in the corner.

Sep 20, 2008 - 7:49 am 116. 888:

Palin’s and McCain’s sons are in the military serving their country in a time of war. This 20 year old jerk & son of a liberal Democrat state legislator is hacking into people’s private email accounts with impunity and today continues to play with his computer and whatever else in the privacy and misery of his room. No outrage whatsoever from the Obama camp for what this loser hacker has done, but Obama’s silence is loud and clear. It shows he’s a phoney and a hypocrite (we have to protect the privacy of all Americans) and, just like this 20 year old loser, unrepentent and in bed with the corrupt mainstream media.

Sep 20, 2008 - 9:08 am 117. hp:

“Seems there might be a connection to the Obama campaign.”

ya think? :))

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mcsame said, “Please name one national democratic figure that is supporting this hacker.”

shirley you jest.

-

ala george clarke (and moi in previously threads)

keep digging.

please.

Sep 20, 2008 - 10:43 am 118. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Is It Just Me….

….has THIS suddenly become a non-issue in the so-called major media?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out.]

Sep 20, 2008 - 10:50 am 119. thegrea8 1:

If he’s charged and found guilty ship him off to Guantanamo, or ship him off to where Palin’s son is fighting and he can tell him why he did it. I bet Palin’s son can take him out in no time.
I agree with above post that McCain’s numbers are being underreported. Every time I go on AOL , McCain has 60-65% of the vote EVEN IN ILLINOIS and is leading in practically every state.
We have to individually not spend more than we earn and let this philosophy trickle up to the economic illiterates in Washington.
How long would you keep your job if you had a 9% approval rating? Throw the bums out and get people who know what they are doing.
I’d take the first 535 names out of any phone book over what we have in Washington.

Sep 20, 2008 - 12:25 pm 120. Red Blooded American:

Peet:

You seem to see “leftards” everywhere. But since her addresses were gov.sarah etc., specifically referencing her position as Governor in the email address itself, and were publicly disseminated, it simply does not pass the sniff test to state that she was not conducting state business using them. If the shoe were on the other foot and a leading Democrat had been doing the same thing and was similarly hacked into, I’m sure you would be attacking them for stupidity and carelessness. Turnabout is fair play. Deal with it.

>>>”to all: why was Palin conducting state business from a yahoo email address?”

I see leftards asking that over and over here, but not an iota of proof. In fact, the subject of this story says it is *not* so…and he read her email looking for dirt.

Sep 20, 2008 - 12:54 pm 121. Richard Miniter:

TO CHUCK(LE):

Progmeister has not been banned, at least by me.

In fact, I have never banned anyone. I believe in a free speech environment, even including the people who attack me virulently. Thinking people know how to weigh the merits of the flamers’ and the trolls’ contributions.

Pajamas Media itself sometimes bans people for reasons that are beyond my comprehension or control. And PJM does not consult me, if or when they do ban someone.

I am reliably informed by PJM that Progmeister has not been banned.

All that said, I have some general advice for commenters: avoid name calling (”leftards” and so on), assume good will on the part of the other guy, and try to persuade with evidence and exposition. In that fashion, you would benefit the other readers more and by that much more influential. Try it.

I won’t make you do it, but you will be happier when you do.

Sep 20, 2008 - 1:32 pm 122. Mike Shuster:

sure, this kid should be prosecuted, but isn’t anyone concerned about a VP candidate who’s making a big deal on the stump about she’s all for transparency, apparently openly flaunting the law by deliberately using her personal email to discuss hiring decisions? As reported in the NY Post:

On Feb. 7, Frank Bailey, a high-level aide, wrote to Ms. Palin’s state e-mail address to discuss appointments. Another aide fired back: “Frank, this is not the governor’s personal account.”

Mr. Bailey responded: “Whoops~!”

Sep 20, 2008 - 4:32 pm 123. fred:

The law has been broken and the alleged perpetrator is 20 years old. He is an adult and should be held liable for his own actions. His dad may be a Democratic party bigwig in Tennessee with connections to the Obama campaign. There may indeed be a wink and a nod (and I think there is), but all that is immaterial at this point. The kid broke the law and he should face the music for his actions. No double standards, because if his dad or the Obama people pull strings to get him off it will only make people more cynical and disrespectful of the law.

I do find it rich that the Left says nothing about this crime, but will go to the wall to protect the rights of jihad terrorists to talk to each other over the phone lines. Pathetic.

Sep 20, 2008 - 8:03 pm 124. Herb:

fred: “I do find it rich that the Left says nothing about this crime, but will go to the wall to protect the rights of jihad terrorists to talk to each other over the phone lines.”

Nice straw man, Fred. I’d explain the difference between “allowing jihad terrorists to talk on the phone” and “protecting the rights of citizens from warrantless wiretaps,” but something tells me you just wouldn’t get it.

I bet you tell people you’re a conservative, don’t you? If you are, why are you okay with a government with unlimited powers to tap your phone? If you trust the government to only listen to terrorists, you might be more of a leftist than you think….

Sep 21, 2008 - 8:04 am 125. Nine-of-Diamonds:

“Nice straw man, Fred.”

Two seconds later:

“why are you okay with a government with unlimited powers to tap your phone?”

Beyond parody.

Sep 21, 2008 - 1:48 pm 126. kimberly:

so your first line says something about palins kid and this kid not having their parent watch them, are you INSANE. Her 17 year old is KNOCKED up, whiles she preaching abstinance. This kid is a SMART educated 20 year old, you know LEGAL, so its not his dads job to watch him anymore. You people and the conspiricy theory, OH OBAMA DID IT, can you people not win on the issues EVER

Sep 21, 2008 - 4:25 pm 127. Evil Pundit:

The government does not have unlimited powers to tap your phone.

Liberals are not much concerned by truth or accuracy.

Sep 21, 2008 - 6:05 pm 128. geokstr:

If I recall correctly, the “warrantless wiretaps” were not just monitoring random calls between American citizens, or even when an American citizen in this country intiated a call to a known terrorist outside the country. Rather, they were listening in whenever a known terrorist outside the country made a call to someone in the US. Even this was to much for the so-called civil libertarians. They were even against listening in on any conversation to or from known terrorists, even if BOTH parties were outside the US, if they went through phone servers in the US, even though a high % of such calls go through the US because we have the best phone system in the world.

I personally don’t have any problem with them listening in on calls in those limited circumstances, which in my understanding was all they were doing.

We have no responsibility to give non-citizens of the US all the rights we have under our Constitution, particularly those who make no secret of their desire to destroy us. I guess that means I’d rather be a citizen of the US than a citizen of the world.

I’m not sure many on the left would share that sentiment.

Sep 21, 2008 - 9:15 pm 129. geokstr:

Mr. Minter:

You say we should “…assume good will on the part of the other guy, and try to persuade with evidence and exposition…”.

It is pretty obvious that you don’t follow too many threads concerning politics, where you read all the comments. If you did, you would understand that there are approximately 0% of the posters on the left who comment on conservative, moderate or independent boards who are open to being “persuaded” about anything. Their function is to disrupt, to smear, and to slander, not converse or debate. I remain unconvinced that none of this is centrally organized at some level, somewhere. It’s just too standardized.

Let anything remotely negative about Obama, or positive about Palin/McCain show up on the internet, and within the first few comments, the invasion of these trolls is inevitable.

I see exactly the same comments posted all over these boards, often word for word, other times modified a bit to make them seem original. Many of the posters are drive-bys, using obviously copy/pasted talking points from the Daily Kos, HuffPo, Fightthesmears.com, the Democratic Underground, and others. The talking points they use are often even ones that have already been thoroughly debunked or disproven.

Several posters on this thread have made reference to supposed government business related emails on Palin’s personal email account, and how this means she is a liar, a crook, and must be hiding something. This even though the kid who broke into them stated explicitly that he was trying to damage Palin, but after reading all the emails, found exactly NOTHING.

It makes no difference to them. The left understands the utility of the Big Lie, the favorite tool of Marxism. Smear someone as loudly and as often as you can with innuendo, rumors, halftruths, distortions and outright lies, and eventually the cumulatave weight of the negativity will have the desired subconcious effects.

Take the very public and media-hyped comments of the political genuis Matt Damon and the columns of the NYT Mo Dowd. Both quoted as fact that Palin believes that dinosaurs were around 4,000 years ago, even though the source of this was a blogger who freely admitted that he had simply made up outrageous fake quotes from Palin as a HOAX. He didn’t own up to it days later or on another page either, where it would be difficult to know it was a hoax, but he actually introduced the quotes by saying he had made them up on the same page:
http://unbearablebobness.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/08/governor-sarah-palin-quotes.html

These “quotes” are still flying all over the internet on leftists sites, where they are picked up and used over and over and over again on sites like this. Go to any thread discussing Palin or Obama on this site and you’ll see similar things. What exactly is the reason that we should not treat this type of activity with outright disdain? Out of civility?

Personally, I’m fed up with it. Eventually we need to fight back with the ridicule these people deserve. If I had access to the IP and email addresses I’d love to do an analyis to see if there is any pattern to these trolls that can be traced to a formal democratic source.

Sep 21, 2008 - 9:56 pm 130. hp:

@geokstr

takes being bigger than the other guy when they stoop to that level.

i’ll be the first to agree with you, though, that they make it very, very difficult.

wonder how often the rhetoric coming out of them would NOT be considered dagged near emotionally abusive. =|

Sep 22, 2008 - 12:09 pm 131. maggie:

What is really important to remember is that adults teach kids their beliefs. He is probably just mouthing the prejudices and hatreds of his father. Maybe his father slapped him on the back after he did it. Parents should let their children decide for theirselves what they want to believe. I hope the kid goes to jail. See how the father likes it then.

Sep 22, 2008 - 1:14 pm 132. Jack:

I hope they go after the dirtbags who posted the pictures and stuff. I would think that posting stolen pictures of minors would be a offense am I wrong?

Sep 22, 2008 - 2:20 pm 133. Ed Wallis:

“hp” 12:09pm -

“geokstr” has a point, in that HUMOR - in the form of satire and its black-sheep cousin ridicule - are a potent and constructive force in countering this menace.

Sep 22, 2008 - 2:52 pm 134. Mary in LA:

RE: “official business” on Yahoo — that is something that Associated Press either made up deliberately, or fell into the trap of assuming that because the address is “gov.palin”, it was being used for official business. That is not true, and the evidence is what the hacker said himself. Remember, he said he found nothing he could use to attack her campaign with, and nothing more than “clerical” correspondence. And, as he also said himself, he was looking as hard as he could for dirt!

You can have pretty much any name you want on a Yahoo mail account. That doesn’t make it “official”.

Sep 22, 2008 - 10:29 pm 135. Mary in LA:

Bristol Palin getting pregnant at 17 — disappointing, but not a crime. She is still a minor, but the age of consent in Alaska is 16, so no statutory rape occurred.

David Kernell getting into someone else’s e-mail without authorization at 20 — a crime. Try him as an adult, because he is one.

In neither case should we assume that the parents are not fit to do their jobs because of the actions of their children. If Mike Kernell is found to be complicit in his son’s criminal actions, though, that is a different matter.

Sep 22, 2008 - 10:33 pm 136. fred:

Herb,

I’ve got nothing to hide from the government, you dolt. And the NSA using its supercomputer to look for terrorist conversations is quite alright by me.

Let me know how you feel some day if a President Obama and his Congress reverse course and allow plots to come to fruition. Hope you have the courage to say that to the families of the victims, you turd.

Name the violations of the innocent caused by the Patriot Act. Know anyone who the NSA snooped on? Bet you can’t name one. People like you have absolutely no clue as the kind of world we live in. You think the worst enemy out there is your own government, when there are Islamic jihad groups and their state sponsors who want your kafir head on a spike.

Grow up.

Sep 22, 2008 - 10:34 pm 137. nlcatter:

Palin said cant control your kids
So I agree

drop case or indict Levi for statutory rape!

Sep 23, 2008 - 8:49 pm 138. Ed Wallis:

DO NOT FEED THE 8:49pm TROLLS.

Sep 24, 2008 - 1:18 am 139. nlcatter:

dont drop case

Just indict Levi for statutory rape!

you think she got pregnant on the first time?

she was 16.

Sep 24, 2008 - 7:39 am 140. capt america:

no it is you who troll these forumns javelin not concerned citizen offering no substance other than to criticize people who don’t follow your marxist rhetoric.now repeat after me little javelin “follow the yellow brick road”follow follow follow the yellow brick road”.please offer some meaningful info other than your critiques shorty!!

Sep 26, 2008 - 8:19 am 141. capt america:

stop supporting parasitical new york banksters with bailouts get rid of these clowns clean up the corruption investigate barney frank

Sep 26, 2008 - 2:52 pm 142. capt america:

whether you approve of cedarford’s comments or not there is factual truth in almost every thing he stated.I guess like Jack Nicholson said sometimes “You can’t handle the truth”

Sep 27, 2008 - 10:01 am 143. Nebby:

geokstr - “If you did, you would understand that there are approximately 0% of the posters on the left who comment on conservative, moderate or independent boards who are open to being “persuaded” about anything. Their function is to disrupt, to smear, and to slander, not converse or debate.”

I can say in all honesty I’ve observed the exact same thing, but with the sides reversed. As an outsider I can say it’s truly amazing how the republican and democrats supporters mirror each other in so many respects. You just can’t see it from your opponent’s perspective, nor they from yours.

Both sides have trolls, idiots, and criminal activists. Try to stick to the issues if you can. Until someone produces some actual evidence that this guy’s behaviour was in any way condoned by the democratic party, it has no bearing whatsoever on the election. Except perhaps for what the use of a Yahoo account says about Palin’s judgement, but that’s really a separate topic.

Oct 27, 2008 - 7:44 pm

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