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		<title>By: Ever wonder if a non muslim or Jew can visit Mecca? &#171; Acriticalchristian1971&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-9206</link>
		<dc:creator>Ever wonder if a non muslim or Jew can visit Mecca? &#171; Acriticalchristian1971&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fox</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I say that the prophet mohammed sucks, is that hate speech?  Just asking.  Is it hateful if I don&#039;t capitlize his name?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I say that the prophet mohammed sucks, is that hate speech?  Just asking.  Is it hateful if I don&#8217;t capitlize his name?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Howerton</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Howerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you fly into Saudi Arabia and have a Bible on you or in your luggage, they will take it from you at the airport and destroy it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you fly into Saudi Arabia and have a Bible on you or in your luggage, they will take it from you at the airport and destroy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crandall</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crandall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Imagine if that were really true in Jerusalem. ... Every NGO on the planet would be linking arms with Islamist countries and the other dictatorships to get a binding resolution of condemnation in the UN ...&quot;

You don&#039;t have to imagine this. This is what the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UN does to Israel&lt;/a&gt; on an all to regular basis.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Imagine if that were really true in Jerusalem. &#8230; Every NGO on the planet would be linking arms with Islamist countries and the other dictatorships to get a binding resolution of condemnation in the UN &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to imagine this. This is what the <a href="http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html" rel="nofollow">UN does to Israel</a> on an all to regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: hungry dave</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>hungry dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mary Baine Campbell:

Perhaps your opinions on Jerusalem were formed long before you &quot;recently visited&quot;. There are many Arab Muslims who walk the streets of Jerusalem, many of them citizens of Israel. In fact, in the Old City, the largest &quot;quarter&quot; of the city is the Muslim quarter. A single Jew walking the streets of the Muslim quarter had better be packing some serious heat or else he would be almost certainly in mortal danger. An Arab Muslim can stroll through the Jewish quarter without a care in the world or fear of any attack. That is the truth. And yes, I have seen that with my own lyin&#039; eyes.

The real &quot;apartheid&quot; areas of the Holy Land are those occupied by Muslims (even Christian Arabs are mostly unwelcome and have mostly abandoned the West Bank). These are the areas that &quot;peace&quot; talkers so cavalierly foresee as Judenrein, while blathering about a &quot;right of return&quot; for Arabs to Jewish Israel.

Forget about a non-muslim road in NYC. Imagine if that were really true in Jerusalem. It wouldn&#039;t just be the ACLU and the like lobbing lawsuits. Every NGO on the planet would be linking arms with Islamist countries and the other dictatorships to get a binding resolution of condemnation in the UN, with the EU members shaking their heads and tut-tutting with their fingers. And the Saudis, standing beneath their own apartheid signs would be leading the chorus of the Useful Idiot Choir and peeing their burkas silly in laughter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mary Baine Campbell:</p>
<p>Perhaps your opinions on Jerusalem were formed long before you &#8220;recently visited&#8221;. There are many Arab Muslims who walk the streets of Jerusalem, many of them citizens of Israel. In fact, in the Old City, the largest &#8220;quarter&#8221; of the city is the Muslim quarter. A single Jew walking the streets of the Muslim quarter had better be packing some serious heat or else he would be almost certainly in mortal danger. An Arab Muslim can stroll through the Jewish quarter without a care in the world or fear of any attack. That is the truth. And yes, I have seen that with my own lyin&#8217; eyes.</p>
<p>The real &#8220;apartheid&#8221; areas of the Holy Land are those occupied by Muslims (even Christian Arabs are mostly unwelcome and have mostly abandoned the West Bank). These are the areas that &#8220;peace&#8221; talkers so cavalierly foresee as Judenrein, while blathering about a &#8220;right of return&#8221; for Arabs to Jewish Israel.</p>
<p>Forget about a non-muslim road in NYC. Imagine if that were really true in Jerusalem. It wouldn&#8217;t just be the ACLU and the like lobbing lawsuits. Every NGO on the planet would be linking arms with Islamist countries and the other dictatorships to get a binding resolution of condemnation in the UN, with the EU members shaking their heads and tut-tutting with their fingers. And the Saudis, standing beneath their own apartheid signs would be leading the chorus of the Useful Idiot Choir and peeing their burkas silly in laughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bengeshti</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/01/28/reciprocity_an_idea_whose_time/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Bengeshti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s remarkable about the signs is that, it follows one of the pillars of Islam which guides the believers to do their duty: &quot;Amr bil ma&#039;aroof&quot;(promotion of virtue)and &quot;nah&#039;y min monker&quot;(prevention of vice)

The promotion of virtue thing dictates never to allow Najess(unclean) Jews and Christians to venture into the clean places reserved for followers of Islam only. No dogs, Jews or Christians allowed! you might say. That&#039;s the religion of peace for you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s remarkable about the signs is that, it follows one of the pillars of Islam which guides the believers to do their duty: &#8220;Amr bil ma&#8217;aroof&#8221;(promotion of virtue)and &#8220;nah&#8217;y min monker&#8221;(prevention of vice)</p>
<p>The promotion of virtue thing dictates never to allow Najess(unclean) Jews and Christians to venture into the clean places reserved for followers of Islam only. No dogs, Jews or Christians allowed! you might say. That&#8217;s the religion of peace for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We all know it&#039;s about oil and the enormous wealth it has produced.&lt;/i&gt;

No.

Its about the triangle of 1) rogue nation states like Iran 2) exploiting WMD proliferation for 3) anonymous and untracable attacks against the West using terror orgs as proxies.

I&#039;m sitting out the conflict for now. Its pointless to expend energy until the Left loses cities like Paris and New York. Maybe then they&#039;ll understand the threat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We all know it&#8217;s about oil and the enormous wealth it has produced.</i></p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Its about the triangle of 1) rogue nation states like Iran 2) exploiting WMD proliferation for 3) anonymous and untracable attacks against the West using terror orgs as proxies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sitting out the conflict for now. Its pointless to expend energy until the Left loses cities like Paris and New York. Maybe then they&#8217;ll understand the threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this type of thing. As a Christian and a conservative, I get to hear many fellow believers express understandable outrage at the hideous double-standards that exist in this country where political correctness is concerned. A Christian or Jew is supposed to sit idly by with a beatific smile on their face as every aspect of their religion they regard as sacred is ridiculed by the culture that it helped to shape. For extra credit, you can &quot;be a good sport&quot; and toss in some witty blasphemies of your own. On the other hand, we all to &lt;i&gt;understand&lt;/i&gt; the religion of those who have oppressed &quot;people of the Book&quot; for centuries; we have to be &lt;i&gt;aware&lt;/i&gt; to the kind of bloated sensibilities that would put out a global hit contract on cartoonists.

It&#039;s very tempting to try and insist on some kind of draconian measures like the example given here. It would, at least, be an attempt toward fairness. But the obsession with fairness seems like the exclusive territory of the angry left, and they fail to notice how often attempts at equality just end up in other unfairness.

I admit that I find the argument that we HAVE to tolerate the intolerable because we&#039;re enlightened and no one else is to be ... well, not even cold comfort. It&#039;s patronizing, at least, and ludicrous at most. We&#039;re so enlightened that we&#039;re dooming our culture to extinction without raising a finger? Lucky us.

I suppose I think the real answer has to lie in the direction of just trying to raise the level of common sense and intelligence worldwide. I haven&#039;t a clue how to do that, but then ... hey, I&#039;m just a commenter. The serious solutions can come from other blogposts.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this type of thing. As a Christian and a conservative, I get to hear many fellow believers express understandable outrage at the hideous double-standards that exist in this country where political correctness is concerned. A Christian or Jew is supposed to sit idly by with a beatific smile on their face as every aspect of their religion they regard as sacred is ridiculed by the culture that it helped to shape. For extra credit, you can &#8220;be a good sport&#8221; and toss in some witty blasphemies of your own. On the other hand, we all to <i>understand</i> the religion of those who have oppressed &#8220;people of the Book&#8221; for centuries; we have to be <i>aware</i> to the kind of bloated sensibilities that would put out a global hit contract on cartoonists.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very tempting to try and insist on some kind of draconian measures like the example given here. It would, at least, be an attempt toward fairness. But the obsession with fairness seems like the exclusive territory of the angry left, and they fail to notice how often attempts at equality just end up in other unfairness.</p>
<p>I admit that I find the argument that we HAVE to tolerate the intolerable because we&#8217;re enlightened and no one else is to be &#8230; well, not even cold comfort. It&#8217;s patronizing, at least, and ludicrous at most. We&#8217;re so enlightened that we&#8217;re dooming our culture to extinction without raising a finger? Lucky us.</p>
<p>I suppose I think the real answer has to lie in the direction of just trying to raise the level of common sense and intelligence worldwide. I haven&#8217;t a clue how to do that, but then &#8230; hey, I&#8217;m just a commenter. The serious solutions can come from other blogposts.</p>
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		<title>By: EntropyIncreases</title>
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		<dc:creator>EntropyIncreases</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, what portion of Jerusalem is off limits to non-Jews?  I do not remember any, but I have never been.  But I remember some areas in Jerusalem that are mostly off limits to non-Muslims.

What streets?  Neighborhoods?  Or any other demographic demarcation?

Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, what portion of Jerusalem is off limits to non-Jews?  I do not remember any, but I have never been.  But I remember some areas in Jerusalem that are mostly off limits to non-Muslims.</p>
<p>What streets?  Neighborhoods?  Or any other demographic demarcation?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose that Boston be declared a holy city, with infidels and New Yorkers banned under pain of fine and imprisonment.  Any such unclean person caught within the sacred confines of the Holy of Holies, Fenway Park, will be torn limb from limb by the outraged faithful for his sacrilege.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose that Boston be declared a holy city, with infidels and New Yorkers banned under pain of fine and imprisonment.  Any such unclean person caught within the sacred confines of the Holy of Holies, Fenway Park, will be torn limb from limb by the outraged faithful for his sacrilege.</p>
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