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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/02/16/always_apologize_always_explai/comment-page-1/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Apologies&lt;/strong&gt;

Roger wonders what the Aussies are apologizing for. I think it&#039;s just a passing fad.
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<p>Roger wonders what the Aussies are apologizing for. I think it&#8217;s just a passing fad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insufficient and Assistant,
&lt;blockquote&gt;European disease accounted for 90% (with estimates up to 95%) of Native American deaths&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Far from all of that was accidental (Small pox infected blankets etc).
Beyond that there was plenty of rounding up and killing of the native population that remained after disease had decimated their numbers.
That Native American tribes warred with one another does not absolve their massacre and subjugation by an outside party.
We needn&#039;t clothe ourselves in sackcloth and flagellate ourselves in shame over the actions of our ancestors, but we should not deny their sins either.

I await other articles in this same vein.  Perhaps Mr. Kimball with your support could regale us with the equally valid arguments about why slavery in America wasn&#039;t actually a bad thing for the Africans who were brought here and kept in bondage and how good it was for their decendants.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insufficient and Assistant,</p>
<blockquote><p>European disease accounted for 90% (with estimates up to 95%) of Native American deaths</p></blockquote>
<p>Far from all of that was accidental (Small pox infected blankets etc).<br />
Beyond that there was plenty of rounding up and killing of the native population that remained after disease had decimated their numbers.<br />
That Native American tribes warred with one another does not absolve their massacre and subjugation by an outside party.<br />
We needn&#8217;t clothe ourselves in sackcloth and flagellate ourselves in shame over the actions of our ancestors, but we should not deny their sins either.</p>
<p>I await other articles in this same vein.  Perhaps Mr. Kimball with your support could regale us with the equally valid arguments about why slavery in America wasn&#8217;t actually a bad thing for the Africans who were brought here and kept in bondage and how good it was for their decendants.</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
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		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The liberals are willing to apologize for the murders committed by imperialists, but genocide in the 20th Century was, with the exception of the Nazis, committed by Marxists and third world nationalists.  Will the children of Theodore White apologize for their father&#039;s support of Mao.  Beatrice Webb went to Russia and marvelled that so many bourgeoise were willing to volunteer their labor building the White Sea Canal.  (100,000 died in that futile endeavor.)  Will her family apologize for her mistakes in perception?  In the 20th Century, many liberals either ignored or supported the wholesale murder of class enemies, imperialist sympathizers, etc. Did any liberal hedge their support of N Vietnam because of their record of torture of American POW&#039;s and targeted assisinations of S Vietnamese officials?  I think many crime were committed in the name of imperialism.  But in my lifetime they are insignificant compared to the crimes of the anti-imperialists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liberals are willing to apologize for the murders committed by imperialists, but genocide in the 20th Century was, with the exception of the Nazis, committed by Marxists and third world nationalists.  Will the children of Theodore White apologize for their father&#8217;s support of Mao.  Beatrice Webb went to Russia and marvelled that so many bourgeoise were willing to volunteer their labor building the White Sea Canal.  (100,000 died in that futile endeavor.)  Will her family apologize for her mistakes in perception?  In the 20th Century, many liberals either ignored or supported the wholesale murder of class enemies, imperialist sympathizers, etc. Did any liberal hedge their support of N Vietnam because of their record of torture of American POW&#8217;s and targeted assisinations of S Vietnamese officials?  I think many crime were committed in the name of imperialism.  But in my lifetime they are insignificant compared to the crimes of the anti-imperialists.</p>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 06:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apolgies are nice. But Rudd is wise not to go beyond that.

Here in Oregon the Federal goverment bought out the Klamath Indian reservation in 1954. Before it happened it was put to a vote by the tribe. They voted for it and members that didn&#039;t want to take the buyout were allowed land and a continuation of their payments from timber sales.

Now, in 2008, the Federal government is providing the funds for the tribe to purchase back their former reservation.

So we paid them for their land in 1954 and in 2008 we are, in effect, buying that same land back for them.

1954, we paid; 2008 we pay again.

Don&#039;t make deals like this. When I was a kid it was called &quot;Indian giving&quot;.

When the someone starts planning to atone for past &quot;mistakes&quot; just point out that they&#039;ve had their apology. What do they want?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apolgies are nice. But Rudd is wise not to go beyond that.</p>
<p>Here in Oregon the Federal goverment bought out the Klamath Indian reservation in 1954. Before it happened it was put to a vote by the tribe. They voted for it and members that didn&#8217;t want to take the buyout were allowed land and a continuation of their payments from timber sales.</p>
<p>Now, in 2008, the Federal government is providing the funds for the tribe to purchase back their former reservation.</p>
<p>So we paid them for their land in 1954 and in 2008 we are, in effect, buying that same land back for them.</p>
<p>1954, we paid; 2008 we pay again.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t make deals like this. When I was a kid it was called &#8220;Indian giving&#8221;.</p>
<p>When the someone starts planning to atone for past &#8220;mistakes&#8221; just point out that they&#8217;ve had their apology. What do they want?</p>
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		<title>By: tanstaafl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanstaafl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...the cloying, hothouse atmosphere of unremitting pseudo-contrition that oozes like a fetid gas into the crowded chambers in which liberals rub up against one another in their little orgies of self-congratulation.&lt;/i&gt;

Good one.  Orgies of self- congratulation pretty well nails it.

The main function of the victim (aka &quot;he who receives the apology&quot;)  is to serve as the excuse for the orgy.

Love Theodore Dalrymple.  Planet is in great need of such commons sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;the cloying, hothouse atmosphere of unremitting pseudo-contrition that oozes like a fetid gas into the crowded chambers in which liberals rub up against one another in their little orgies of self-congratulation.</i></p>
<p>Good one.  Orgies of self- congratulation pretty well nails it.</p>
<p>The main function of the victim (aka &#8220;he who receives the apology&#8221;)  is to serve as the excuse for the orgy.</p>
<p>Love Theodore Dalrymple.  Planet is in great need of such commons sense.</p>
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		<title>By: OregonJon</title>
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		<dc:creator>OregonJon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger focuses on liberal fantasies about the lost generation, but there is more to rue about the treatment of aborigines than just that.  The first ever Australian census in 1911 counted only those who were 50% or more white.  It was as if the aborigines did not exist.

At some later point, I&#039;m unsure when, aborigines began to be counted in the actual census but it was not until 1967, when the constitution was amended that aborigines were counted when it came to determining how many seats each state received in parliament.

The point here is not to debate whether Ruud&#039;s apology was wise, but there certainly were factual reasons to do something.  One such step was made in 1985 when the ownership of Ayers Rock was returned to a local aborigine tribe.  Have there been or will there be more such returns, or  is White Australia now able to hide behind Ruud&#039;s words and keep valued assets for themselves?  Perhaps in a later column Mr. Kimball can bless us with his comment.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger focuses on liberal fantasies about the lost generation, but there is more to rue about the treatment of aborigines than just that.  The first ever Australian census in 1911 counted only those who were 50% or more white.  It was as if the aborigines did not exist.</p>
<p>At some later point, I&#8217;m unsure when, aborigines began to be counted in the actual census but it was not until 1967, when the constitution was amended that aborigines were counted when it came to determining how many seats each state received in parliament.</p>
<p>The point here is not to debate whether Ruud&#8217;s apology was wise, but there certainly were factual reasons to do something.  One such step was made in 1985 when the ownership of Ayers Rock was returned to a local aborigine tribe.  Have there been or will there be more such returns, or  is White Australia now able to hide behind Ruud&#8217;s words and keep valued assets for themselves?  Perhaps in a later column Mr. Kimball can bless us with his comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his excellent &quot;A History of Warfare,&quot; John Keegan remarks that of all the cultures he studied, none had elevated cruelty and sadism to the levels of meso- and North American Indians.

And they devised that all before they ever saw a European.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his excellent &#8220;A History of Warfare,&#8221; John Keegan remarks that of all the cultures he studied, none had elevated cruelty and sadism to the levels of meso- and North American Indians.</p>
<p>And they devised that all before they ever saw a European.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good editorial, good comments.  I would piggyback on Insufficiently Sensitive&#039;s remark to Jeb.  European disease accounted for 90% (with estimates up to 95%) of Native American deaths; don&#039;t jump to quick conclusions about the rest, either.  The book 1491 is quite interesting on this.

The reference to Lewis is apt - confessing the sins of others is a particularly hypocritical method of accusation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good editorial, good comments.  I would piggyback on Insufficiently Sensitive&#8217;s remark to Jeb.  European disease accounted for 90% (with estimates up to 95%) of Native American deaths; don&#8217;t jump to quick conclusions about the rest, either.  The book 1491 is quite interesting on this.</p>
<p>The reference to Lewis is apt &#8211; confessing the sins of others is a particularly hypocritical method of accusation.</p>
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		<title>By: ic</title>
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		<dc:creator>ic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rudd is Clintonesque.
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		<title>By: Shannon Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C.S. Lewis observed that those who confess to communal sins don&#039;t seek to reveal their own sins but their neighbors.

Likewise, Leftist who apologize for past sins don&#039;t see themselves for apologizing for the sins of their ideological forbearers but rather as apologizing for the sins of the forbearers of their ideological competitors. Apologies for historical wrongs are nothing but a means of turning historical wrongs (real or imagined) into weapons against their present day opponents.

Like more things Leftist do, its an intensely selfish and self-serving act that benefits no one but a few power crazed articulate intellectuals and their wanna be followers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C.S. Lewis observed that those who confess to communal sins don&#8217;t seek to reveal their own sins but their neighbors.</p>
<p>Likewise, Leftist who apologize for past sins don&#8217;t see themselves for apologizing for the sins of their ideological forbearers but rather as apologizing for the sins of the forbearers of their ideological competitors. Apologies for historical wrongs are nothing but a means of turning historical wrongs (real or imagined) into weapons against their present day opponents.</p>
<p>Like more things Leftist do, its an intensely selfish and self-serving act that benefits no one but a few power crazed articulate intellectuals and their wanna be followers.</p>
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