Comments on: Outrage du jour, or: How the the EU Bureaucracy is Helping the Islamic Cap’n Hook Evade Justice http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:05:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mojo http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3286 mojo Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:35:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3286 And they were right. Voluntarily (heh) handed it to Brussels, which effectively means France and Germany. So much for 20th century European history and two nasty wars. Unless Britain decides to take it back. Let me suggest some phrasing, m'lud: "When in the course of human events..." And they were right. Voluntarily (heh) handed it to Brussels, which effectively means France and Germany. So much for 20th century European history and two nasty wars.

Unless Britain decides to take it back. Let me suggest some phrasing, m’lud:

“When in the course of human events…”

]]> By: S.R.Intulom http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3255 S.R.Intulom Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:00:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3255 "Britain–still a sovereign nation, I believe..." Well, up to a point: UK to Hand Sovereignty to EU without Referendum "One thousand years of British history have been extinguished without a shot being fired." By Hilary White "Britain–still a sovereign nation, I believe..." Well, up to a point: UK to Hand Sovereignty to EU without Referendum "One thousand years of British history have been extinguished without a shot being fired." By Hilary White LONDON, March 6, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - "Britain's MPs voted yesterday to deny the public a referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon, the European Union's substitute for the Constitution that failed in 2005 after being defeated by Dutch and French plebiscites. The House of Commons vote, 311 to 248 - a majority of 63 - defeated a Conservative amendment that would have allowed the British public a say in whether the treaty would come into effect in the country. Commentators and activists fighting the issue have called the vote yesterday in the House of Commons the effective end of British sovereignty." “Britain–still a sovereign nation, I believe…”
Well, up to a point:
UK to Hand Sovereignty to EU without Referendum
“One thousand years of British history have been extinguished without a shot being fired.”
By Hilary White
“Britain–still a sovereign nation, I believe…”
Well, up to a point:
UK to Hand Sovereignty to EU without Referendum
“One thousand years of British history have been extinguished without a shot being fired.”
By Hilary White
LONDON, March 6, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) – “Britain’s MPs voted yesterday to deny the public a referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon, the European Union’s substitute for the Constitution that failed in 2005 after being defeated by Dutch and French plebiscites. The House of Commons vote, 311 to 248 – a majority of 63 – defeated a Conservative amendment that would have allowed the British public a say in whether the treaty would come into effect in the country. Commentators and activists fighting the issue have called the vote yesterday in the House of Commons the effective end of British sovereignty.”

]]> By: SCPhelan http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3233 SCPhelan Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:05:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3233 Rick: Oh, come now. If you're going to complain about institutions being "controversial, unlawful and undemocratic" (dubiously, in the case of Guantanamo) then does it make sense to raise the EU as a counterexample? Is the EU's constitution (a massive document which is rejected whenever put up to a democratic vote in its member countries) really not controversial? Is it really democratic? Is it lawful in the sense that it is accountable to something other than the whims of its unelected leaders? Such silliness is unworthy of a post on the New Criterion's site. Not that there is no criticism to be made of US Government and military policy, but please be a little more serious and careful when doing so. Rick: Oh, come now. If you’re going to complain about institutions being “controversial, unlawful and undemocratic” (dubiously, in the case of Guantanamo) then does it make sense to raise the EU as a counterexample? Is the EU’s constitution (a massive document which is rejected whenever put up to a democratic vote in its member countries) really not controversial? Is it really democratic? Is it lawful in the sense that it is accountable to something other than the whims of its unelected leaders? Such silliness is unworthy of a post on the New Criterion’s site. Not that there is no criticism to be made of US Government and military policy, but please be a little more serious and careful when doing so.

]]> By: Rick Morren http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3142 Rick Morren Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:13:36 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3142 The European Court of Human Right5s, the International Court of Justice might have their flaws, but at least they are open to membership by any nation on earth. These two institutions certainly compare far better than the controversial, unlawful and undemocratic Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp. This United States detention center operated by Joint Task Force Guantanamo since 2002 in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, on the shore of Guantánamo Bay, Cuba was opened at the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan. So far 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo. Many of them without cause. Of these, approximately 420 have been released without charge, with only one prisoner, David Hicks, being convicted of a crime. As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain.More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade countries to accept them, according to officials and defense lawyers. The majority of the EU citizens are supportive of the European Union because it protects them from undemocratic establishments like Guantánamo Bay and the overwhelming power of the US corporate elite. The European Court of Human Right5s, the International Court of Justice might have their flaws, but at least they are open to membership by any nation on earth. These two institutions certainly compare far better than the controversial, unlawful and undemocratic Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp. This United States detention center operated by Joint Task Force Guantanamo since 2002 in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, on the shore of Guantánamo Bay, Cuba was opened at the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan. So far 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo. Many of them without cause. Of these, approximately 420 have been released without charge, with only one prisoner, David Hicks, being convicted of a crime. As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain.More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade countries to accept them, according to officials and defense lawyers. The majority of the EU citizens are supportive of the European Union because it protects them from undemocratic establishments like Guantánamo Bay and the overwhelming power of the US corporate elite.

]]> By: LSD http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3136 LSD Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:24:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3136 Hmmm, there is a croc that swallowed a clock, waiting in Colorado. Hmmm, there is a croc that swallowed a clock, waiting in Colorado.

]]> By: heather http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3132 heather Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:42:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3132 I would like to find a study on why exactly the Euro elite is so supportive of Brussels. I am aware that they are completely 'transnational' types, etc., but I suspect there is more to the story than bad ideas, fear of Hitler's Ghost and treasonous leadership. What jobs become available at the heights of Euro Land anyway? Also, there is the question of accountability; or LACK of same in Brussels, which must be very calming to your average politician.. I would like to find a study on why exactly the Euro elite is so supportive of Brussels. I am aware that they are completely ‘transnational’ types, etc., but I suspect there is more to the story than bad ideas, fear of Hitler’s Ghost and treasonous leadership.

What jobs become available at the heights of Euro Land anyway? Also, there is the question of accountability; or LACK of same in Brussels, which must be very calming to your average politician..

]]> By: Roy N http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-3128 Roy N Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:51:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/05/outrage-du-jour-or-how-the-the-eu-bureaucracy-is-helping-the-islamic-capn-hook-evade-justice/#comment-3128 The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU. It was set up after a long in dificult war in Europe. During this war the realisation grew that it would be a good idea to have some kind of legal framework to protect people from their national governments. This court has been around for 60 years and it seems to work well most of the time. It does most of its work outsid the EU on cases from Turkey, Russia, Bugaria etc. I expect that the UK governemt judges that undermining this court would be a worse outcome than shipping delaying Abu Hamza's extradition. I expect that they are right. Recent cases include a case against the Turkish Government to take domestic violence against women seriously, against the Russian Government regarding police brutality, and The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU.

It was set up after a long in dificult war in Europe. During this war the realisation grew that it would be a good idea to have some kind of legal framework to protect people from their national governments. This court has been around for 60 years and it seems to work well most of the time.

It does most of its work outsid the EU on cases from Turkey, Russia, Bugaria etc.

I expect that the UK governemt judges that undermining this court would be a worse outcome than shipping delaying Abu Hamza’s extradition. I expect that they are right.

Recent cases include a case against the Turkish Government to take domestic violence against women seriously, against the Russian Government regarding police brutality, and

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