193 Comments

1. yo:

And just like John Kerry*, Obama will still be whining about this book four years from now.

*I have the hat!

Aug 13, 2008 - 5:50 am 2. barth:

Contrary to Mr. Kimball, I doubt that any current candidate for US President has ‘extensive connections to Islam.’

However, how does affiliation or non-affiliation with any religious institution make anyone a ‘radical liberal?’ And where does our US Constitution disqualify anyone for public office on any basis related to religious belief or participation?

Is a practitioner of Judaism a ‘radical’ by definition and consequently prohibited from being an elected public servant?

Is every Mormon unfit?

Would we be compelled to forgo the potential benefits of leadership of every hypothetical humanitarian agnostic because of their non-participation in a religion?

Are there any specific denominations of Christianity that automatically disqualify one from serving? Can an Anglican make the cut?

It’s important to know the answers to these questions so that we can, if necessary, stop deceiving our sons and daughters by assuring them that “You live in a country where YOU could grow up to be President.”

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:45 am 3. mtm:

To Barth:

If the religion in question holds that people of Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths are enemies to be wiped off the face of the map, then, yes, Islam is not compatable with the plurality of American life and any candidate should be examined closely to see if he or she is extensively connected to it.

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:15 am 4. PrestoPundit:

Note well that the NY Times has also posted the Preface to Corsi’s on its website — which is sort of like Obama campaign posting the thing on its own web site. What is the Times thinking?

I’ve got links to both the Preface and Chapter 1 of _The Obama Nation_ at PrestoPundit. (Don’t try to Google it, PrestoPundit been removed from Google. Why? You be the judge.)

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:28 am 5. Brainster:

Corsi’s a 9-11 Truther and all around nutjob. He also believes in the North American Union crackpottery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCfI3VmL88

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:46 am 6. Neil Flynn:

I am no fan of Obama. Corsi’s book is spot on as is David Freddoso’s. He is a radical leftist who despises America and all that makes her great BUT:

Please stop making an issue of his “lost” senior thesis from Columbia. I am a Columbia grad so I know what I’m talking about here. (1) A senior “thesis” at Columbia is not like a phd thesis. It is just a long paper (50 pages); (2) It is not a requirement; (3) They are not saved by the school. The term thesis is misleading, it is really just a long, term paper which is a requirement in some subjects, if you choose to “major” in that subject. If you choose to “concentrate” in that subject, then you don’t have to write it and that is essentially the only difference between a “major” and a “concentration”.

There is enough wrong with this guy so that we don’t have to harp on inconsequential stuff llike this.

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:56 am 7. Vince:

I know one thing, Obama refuses to come clean about his life - where he was born, the Indonesian citizenship, going to an Indonesian school as a Muslim, college records, state senate records, and his forged birth certificate.

If he has nothing to hide he should be honest like McCain was when questioned.

I think it’s because the truth will prove he is ineligible to be president.

I’ve been following http://www.noquarterusa.net and it seems to be the only place to get any truth on Obama. That’s probably why it has been hacked or shut down so many times.

Aug 13, 2008 - 9:51 am 8. LSD:

Barth:

A muslim (or even a muslim extemist) has the right to run for President and the people have a right to know who they are voting for.

Aug 13, 2008 - 10:37 am 9. Kimball Is A Twat:

Kimball is a four-eyed, bow-tied twat. His jealousy of Obama’s full head of hair is painfully obvious.

He should, however, be given credit for refusing to hide his shame, like Simple L. Simon.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:01 am 10. Fausta:

Well, after reading your post and the NYT article, I’ll read the book.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:02 am 11. SpaceCat:

You wingnuts are a freaking joke. Why don’t you take the tinfoil off of your heads and come out into the real world. I promise. It’s really not that scary.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:19 am 12. heather:

Byron York had an interesting report at National Review Online (which I cannot find, sorry) about Obama supporters, who are planning to hold ‘Nurumberg style’ hearings when Obama becomes President.

According to York, these guys are serious about this. Which tells me that his connections with radicals like Ayres, Dohrn, etc is quite real and contemporary.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:22 am 13. Pajamas Media » NY Times Attempt to Torpedo Anti-Obama Book Backfires:

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Aug 13, 2008 - 11:24 am 14. heather:

OK, here is the York comment:

The Left and Plans for “Nuremberg-Style” Tribunals for Bush Administration Officials [Byron York]

One thing that hasn’t received much attention in conservative and Republicans circles is the ongoing conversation on the left about the possibility of Nuremberg-style war-crimes trials for members of the Bush administration should a Democratic president take office. I’m not exaggerating or introducing the Nazi analogy myself; they actually use the phrase “Nuremberg-style” when they discuss “war-crimes tribunals.” And they are quite serious (although the more moderate of them prefer a “truth commission.”)

At the Netroots Nation gathering in Austin, Texas last month — that is the successor to YearlyKos — Dahlia Lithwick, of the Washington-Post-owned website Slate, did an interview with the Talking Points Memo site in which she described a panel discussion she had just taken part in on what is known as the “first 100 days of accountability.” Among Lithwick’s observations:

We’re already falling into this trap of either positing Nuremberg-style war crimes tribunals, or nothing, immunizing everyone from John Yoo up and down…but everybody says there’s a lot of gray area in between that, and that accountability doesn’t necessarily mean Nuremberg, it doesn’t necessarily mean nothing, it means possibly a truth commission, possibly appointing a special prosecutor to look at it…

Lithwick recommended a massive retrospective investigation of the Bush administration, going through every piece of paper, before moving forward:

Certainly long before we make a decision to do what Stuart Taylor suggested this week, which was immunize everybody in advance, or alternatively make a decision to trot them out before a war crimes tribunal before the whole world, we should really find out what happened…

But Lithwick recognized that there are those who argue such an action might be divisive:

We talked a lot about this notion that it’s bad for America, that it will rip America apart if we have hearings or we have criminal trials or if we have war crimes tribunals. And I think it’s really worse for America if we don’t…

I think the thing to emphasize here is that this is a serious conversation going on among people who might have influential voices or play influential roles in an Obama administration. Many of them want to put John Yoo — a special favorite of theirs — on trial, whether before a Nuremberg-style tribunal, a criminal court, or a truth commission with as-yet unspecified powers. And, of course, they wouldn’t stop with Yoo; if they had their way, they would likely have a long list of former Bush administration officials to put in the dock. They are serious.

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Aug 13, 2008 - 11:27 am 15. Javelin:

Today’s Hate Obama piece, from a square who wears bow ties. The people buying this book, like most of the people here, are NOT going to vote for him in the first place, so this is preaching to the choir It’s nice to see the usual hit tactics; calling him a Messiah, using his middle name in faux risque manner, before dumping on him. Crap like this only increases my sympathy for Obama and makes me think that Mr. Kimball is nothing more than the average, petty blogtard.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:32 am 16. Le Car:

What a pathetic bunch of losers you guys are. You clowns have nothing to offer but xenophobia, racism and fear.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:35 am 17. Charlie (Colorado):

Wow, it appears bow ties are a sign of perfidy. no doubt when Obama is president, he’ll make you stop wearing bow ties.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:43 am 18. edsbowlingshoe:

What a joke of an article - “I’m not supposed to mention Hussein, but I am.” That’s because you’re a xenophone, Kimball. Nice bow tie, dude - looks like you were cloned in a Republican factory. They actually pay you for this garbage?

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:43 am 19. edsbowlingshoe:

Xenophobe, pardon. Or we could say “Anti-Foreign/Non-White Prejudice.” Let’s try that for you middle name:

Roger Xenophobe Kimball.

Luckily for you, your middle name doesn’t reflect this truth…

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:46 am 20. Dan Collins:

He’s already started with the mandatory volunteerism.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:51 am 21. Jay:

First they advertise that moveon.org ad then they look like idiots by the National Inquirer than this. Add on all the other gaffs and hahahahahaha their paper’s heading down the toilet with the rest of the crap(MSM)

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:53 am 22. libarbarian:

Pathetic.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:54 am 23. Doug Atlantis:

Hey Vince, how’s that Michelle Obama “whitey” tape coming along? If you could name ONE piece of “truth” from No Quarter that has been PROVEN, I would respect your post. BUT, in the meantime, you are just a sad little Republican conspiracy nut looking for something to make themselves feel smarter at the dinner table. Good luck with that.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:01 pm 24. Drew:

I don’t know enough about Roger Kimball and his supposed membership in NAMBLA but it should be investigated. His pouty lips, beady eyes and predilection for bow ties suggest a latent pedophilia that should make any conservative question his judgment. See how easy that is

What’s most amusing about Kimballs bleatings over the troubled scribblings of Jerome Corsi is that mainstream conservatives were all about praising Obama when he was the long shot candidate but quickly turned those compliments on their head once he became the front runner. Face it,anyone that becomes the Democrat frontrunner is vilified by a right wing smear machine that turns even the most patriotic American into a traitorous subhuman.
People like this loser Kimball with his tough guy internet demeanor and real world soft body have made a cottage industry of character assassination of Democrtatic candidates, aided by the supposedly liberal “MSM” . Enough people are lazy enough to believe them and these bloviators need to be fought back against hard by Americans of all stripes who believe in fair dealings and honorable politics.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:02 pm 25. Vinny Vidivici:

New defnition of ‘hate’: Criticizing, questioning or repeating the actual words of politically-fashionable candidates. This from the same folks who bleat incessantly about ’stifling dissent’.

Repressive tolerance, ho!

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:02 pm 26. Dan Collins:

You can only character assassinate those who have it. Rather than engage in the sort of characterization you deplore, you might wish to debunk the book’s arguments.

We’re still waiting for Cambodia John’s full military record.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:09 pm 27. Le Car:

“Is he the sort of person the American public wants leading the country?”

The polls say “Yes”. So, I hope you have a nice time in the political wilderness!

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:13 pm 28. airborneshuffle:

I think ANY book about BO would garner alot of attention right now. He is an unknown entity..period. People are looking for something, anything, about him (as long as its not penned a la himself). Its a genius move, released at a perfect time. The fact that he is constantly spewing platitude and vaguery about his intentions simply amplify the desire for more information.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:17 pm 29. Vinny Vidivici:

Dan:

And some explanation as to why pointing out this fabrication, among others (1971 Senate testimony), constitutes a ’smear’.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:25 pm 30. Mortimer Peacock:

Dan Collins-

What “arguments?” As far as I can tell Dr. Corsi’s (he loves reminding us of that PhD, a sure sign of social and intellectual status anxiety) book deals mostly in hearsay and innuendo. The majority of his “sources” are conservative websites and his “argument” boils down to flim-flam like “Obama has read Malcolm X, the horror, the horror!” and “He can speak Arabic and finds aesthetic pleasure in the Islamic call to prayer; off with his head!”

What do you mean by “Cambodia John?” If you’re alleging that John Kerry is somehow pro-Viet Cong (which he never was; he was just anti-US war crimes) you need to sort out your historical facts. Even if you are dumb enough to believe that Kerry loved the Viet Cong, you should realize that that would logically imply a hatred of Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, which was overthrown by those dastardly Communist Viet Cong.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:30 pm 31. Sandra M:

I ordered Corsi’s book from Amazon, a day after his first appearance on Hannity & Colmes publicizing OBAMA NATION. It arrived in 3 days and I read it, underlined important passages, and post taped it.

When I made a comment here at PJM on the most horrific incident: Obama’s campaigning in 2006 for his Kenya cousin Raila Odinga, educated in Eastern Europe, who had promised the Muslim minority that he would institute sharia law. I had first read the story on PJM and more details on Google, but what Corsi revealed is that when Odinga lost the election, he instituted mob violence including herding 50 Black Christians of the rival Kikuyu tribe in a Pentacostal church and burning them all alive. Obama was in constant communication with his cousin during the New Hampshire primary no doubt telling him to cool the violence till after the election. Obama called Condaleeza Rice and persuaded her to urge “power sharing” on the pro-Western governmnet. Odinga is now “Prime Minister”.

When I posted this comment I got an ad hominem response attacking Corsi.

Buying this book was my first contribution to the campaign this year. And while mostly Republicans will buy it, we will tell or read the most lurid parts to Democrat friends.

As in 2004, Corsi, a former college debater, provides meticulously researched (from primary sources) what Ayn Rand called “intelllectual ammunition.”

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:36 pm 32. PatriotMan:

The author is incorrect. Mr. Obama would be a great President. I can’t understand this country. The track record of every Republican Administration is sluggish growth AND out of control spending. While Clinton we had a fantastic economic growth and controlled spending. Conservatives may be right about limited government, but Republicans have consistently failed in governing this country. Obama!!!!

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:36 pm 33. Steve J.:

Vinny writes “And some explanation as to why pointing out this fabrication, among others (1971 Senate testimony), constitutes a ’smear’.”

Tommy Franks also served in Vietnam and he said Kerry’s testimony was correct.

HANNITY: I want to play a tape of John Kerry, and I want to get your reaction to this tape.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOHN KERRY (D-MA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I personally didn’t see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones. I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search and destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground.And all of these, I find out later on — these acts are contrary to The Hague and Geneva conventions and to the laws of warfare. So, in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the application of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: What does that mean to you?

FRANKS: I think we had a lot of problems in Vietnam. One was the lack of leadership of young people like in — in John Kerry’s position. He was a young officer over there, and I’m not sure that — that activities like that didn’t take place. In fact, quite the contrary. I’m sure that they did take…

HANNITY: But there’s a difference. You were faced with a situation where you were around men that perhaps could have engaged in something like this.

FRANKS: Right.

HANNITY: And you were the one that stood up, and you described the scene in your book where you said no.
FRANKS: Right. Right, I decided to not be involved in activity like that.
HANNITY: Let me ask you this. I want to play you another tape of his where he talks about what other soldiers did when he was there.
FRANKS: Right.
HANNITY: And then, I’ll get your reaction to this. Roll this tape.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
KERRY: I relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do. They told the stories of times that they had personally raped, cut off the ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in the fashion of Genghis Khan.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: I mean, raped, murdered, all these things. But he never told names. Does that anger you? I mean, this is the guy now that is the leading candidate for the Democrats.

FRANKS: I don’t know. I — I think Vietnam was — I think Vietnam was a bad time. I think that what I’ve learned in my life, Sean, is that it’s a heck of a lot easier to protest than it is to step up and take responsibility for the actions of a unit or for — or for your own actions. And so, I don’t — I don’t like what I saw. But at the same time, I — I wouldn’t say that - the things that Senator Kerry said are undeniable about activities in Vietnam. I think that things didn’t go right in — in Vietnam. And so…

SOURCE:

Copyright 2004 Fox News Network, LLC Fox News Network
SHOW: FOX HANNITY & COLMES (21:00)
August 3, 2004 Tuesday
Transcript # 080301cb.253
SECTION: News; Domestic
LENGTH: 3792 words
EADLINE: Interview With Tommy Franks
GUESTS: Tommy Franks
BYLINE: Sean Hannity, Pat Halpin

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:37 pm 34. Jay:

Javelin:
Do you read any of the crap over there on MSNBC or moveon.org? Or do you just grace us with your presence? You act like the right is the only side dumping on the other.

“Calling him a Messiah, using his middle name in faux risqué manner, before dumping on him”

Well, how about McSame or McBush I even heard McHitler, wow that’s some hard hitting debating or there’s McGezzer (actually that’s kinda funny), anyway there’s some pretty nasty dumping going on from over there. We’re tame compared to the stuff they’re saying on the left. As for the what’s in this book or posted on the Internet about Obama’s citizenship or technicalities on rather he signed up for this or that I really don’t care because just the policies he promotes is enough to vote no for Obama.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:39 pm 35. Evil Pundit:

The trolls seem to be worried.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm 36. glc:

I just finished reading Corsi’s book on Obama. It was very well researched, and it used as its guide Obama’s own words from Obama’s books. Corsi also uses quotes from Obama’s own extended family in Kenya (well, his half family…because Obama’s dad was an alcoholic polygamist, who by the way died in an alcohol-induced car accident).

What scares me most about Obama is that he truly is a socialist and a radical. He has major issues of abandonment. And in facing those issues, he turned to black radical Islamic socialists and communists to give him a sense of belonging. This is frightening.

Obama really does believe in income redistribution, and his loyalties really do not belong solely to America. Part of his heart is in Keyna–and Kenyan politics, if you take the time to study it, are rife with tribal and racial hate and bitterness. Obama brings this tribal hate and bitterness to his own experience. He also uses the catchphrase of “change” in his campaign–a catchphrase he adopts from communists and socialists who use this very same catchphrase in their campaigns.

Obama won’t tell you how he and his friends gave money to support another Luo tribesman from Kenya, a Mr. Odinga. Odinga is a communist/socialist/Muslim who had thousands of people murdered when he thought he lost an election in December 2007. Obama campaigned for Odinga in 2006 when Obama visited Kenya as a U.S. Senator! Obama had his friends give money to Odinga’s campaign. Odinga has now entered into an agreement with the Muslim leaders where he will honor all things Islam in Kenya (in a country such as Kenya that has 85% christians and 15% muslims).

All in all, there are many questions that the American public needs to ask Obama — and get answers from him on these before the American public votes him into the most powerful office in the world.

Aug 13, 2008 - 12:46 pm 37. pch1013:

New definition of “troll”: Anyone who is not slavishly devoted to regurgitating the latest fashionable anti-Obama smears.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:00 pm 38. mishu:

Obama won’t ban bow ties. The Nation of Islam won’t stand for it.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:00 pm 39. codepoet:

what gutless, cowardly little man Corsi (and his ilk) is.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:02 pm 40. JP:

Nah, the more informed among us have been aware of Corsi’s hit piece. The Times already pointed out two lies…..how many more are in the book? Let’s not worry about this “book” having a significant impact on the election, because rational Americans have grown tired of the character assassination method of politics used by right-wing loonies. The “book” is a novelty, something to laugh about even as RushLimbots cling to it like so many other pieces of disinformation.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:06 pm 41. Mike:

Barth - with respect, you miss the point: Obama wrote on his website (17th November 2007). “I have never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, I have never prayed in a mosque and I am a committed Christian… and … I have always been a Christian, I’ve never practiced Islam”.

Now don’t get me wrong. The particulars are NOT about what faith Obama professed or was brought up in as a child, or his religion, now or in the past. It is about the worrying fact that he HAS NOT TOLD THE TRUTH about his early background and that this CONCEALMENT is the issue that should be a matter of public interest.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:10 pm 42. Chuckster:

How can we possibly fault a man who has single-handedly inflated our nation to 57 states, without even having been elected? Don’t worry - he didn’t overinflate it since he used his trusty tire pressure gauge. Imagine what he could do if he WERE elected! Frankly I have been imagining that scenario, and it gives me nightmares! BHO is a Marxist pinhead! He’ll sell us all down the river in a South Chicago minute!

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:19 pm 43. ex-democrat:

scratch a leftist and you’ll discover a fascist: see above.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:28 pm 44. elle loco:

Let me help you out here, Mr. Kimball: The Times article is not “masquerading as a review” (the daily book review is in a different section), and the authors are not book reviewers. They are reporters, reporting on the scurrilous, scrofulous dregs of humanity masquerading as the pinnacle of Western Civilization that are the likes of Mr. Corsi and yourself. See you in hell, pal!

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:29 pm 45. misanthropicus:

Today’s Georgia crisis & Hussein Obama’s ‘83 Columbia U, world affairs thesis

Italians have a saying which applies very well to the Hope’n Change dude: “Si non e verro, e ben trovato”: ([It] This might not be true, but it darn well fits the character [situation])”

NY Times can whine & holler about Glibama’s being smeared or attacked with falsehoods - they are never come with something that disculpates him, all what they do is charging with racism, defamation, and so forth.
Here are two important issues which could have been cleared up easily yet the Glibamatons don’t want to address:
1) what’s so difficult in producing for public examination a COB in another way than by a mystery messenger leaving it in the Daily Kos’ mail box?
2) Columbia Thesis. Russia’s attack on Georgia clearly marks the beginning of a very difficult international period, difficult period in which we’ll hear and see more about Russia as an aggressor, impertubably continuing the USSR tradition - isn’t it legitimate for us to see what were mister Obama’s (who wants to be our commander in chief & foreign affairs leader) political views in 1983, period of Afghanistan and of missiles crisis which put in jeopardy the US and the entire Western World, views which might give us an inkling about Obama’s still at stand-by political attitudes?
Yes, it is mighty legitimate, yet Glibama’s Columbia thesis in political science is under padlock.
So, considering this man’s career and all his dissimuations, isn’t it fair to believe that we cannot see that thesis because its motto is “God damn America!” and the thesis is a paean for the USSR-lead world communism? Want more?

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:30 pm 46. Bordo:

Jerome Corsi is to journalism as Cleopatra is to virginity on the Nile. The man is a sleazy hack. Naturally, this whimpering little simp Kimball –God, he’s the very embodiment of lily white pussy– embraces him. It’s hack-on-hack love.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:34 pm 47. Jay:

JP: “Americans have grown tired of the character assassination method of politics used by right-wing loonies”

What I get tired of is hearing idiots complaining that the “right is saying these BAD things” - “the left is saying these BAD things.” I’m 51 yrs old and I’ve heard this crap from both sides all my life and I must say the left is by far better at it.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:51 pm 48. Steve J.:

glc writes ” just finished reading Corsi’s book on Obama. It was very well researched,..”

No, it wasn’t well researched. Corsi falsely claimed that Obama did not dedicate the book to his family. This is a HUGE mistake and could lead one to conclude that Corsi did not read Obama’s book.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:53 pm 49. Paul From Hamburg:

Asking whether Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim is a legitimate question. His father and stepfather were Muslim, and he lived for several years in a predominantly Muslim country. If you ask other Muslims, they would certainly consider him a Muslim. To refute this suggestion, it has been claimed that Obama converted to Christianity. I truly question this. Being Christian requires a belief in an omnipotent God. If you don’t believe in an omnipotent God, you are not a follower of Jesus Christ. If you do believe in an omnipotent God, why would you attend a church where the minister said “G-d D**m America”? That is blasphemy! If you voluntarily attend a church where such things are said, you either really hate America, or you don’t actually believe that God has the power to destroy. Since I don’t think Obama hates America, I am forced to conclude that he has no real Christian faith.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:54 pm 50. Steve J.:

misanthropicus writes “yet Glibama’s Columbia thesis in political science is under padlock.”

No it isn’t. It was tossed out a LONG time ago. These aren’t kept by Columbia.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:55 pm 51. Kevin:

Mandatory volunteerism… What was that quote by Barry?

“Our individual salvation depends on collective salvation.” ~~Barry Zero

It’s the collective part that has me worried.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:55 pm 52. Steve J.:

Paul from Hamburg writes “If you ask other Muslims, they would certainly consider him a Muslim.”

I asked. They said you were wrong.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:56 pm 53. Steve J.:

glc writes “Obama really does believe in income redistribution..”

So did the Apostles and the earliest Christians:
Acts of the Apostles

(New Revised Standard version)

4:32 Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one claimed private ownership of any possessions, but everything they owned was held in common.

4:34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as owned lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold.

4:35 They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.

Aug 13, 2008 - 1:58 pm 54. Steve J.:

Dan Collins writes “We’re still waiting for Cambodia John’s full military record.”

The Navy determined that his medals were fairly awarded.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:00 pm 55. PJ:

codepoet: what gutless, cowardly little man Corsi (and his ilk) is.

A guy who puts his name on his work and then defends it publicly is quite the coward, sayeth the anonymous internet commenter.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:12 pm 56. ferretshoc:

Find those missing records of Mr. Bush’s time in the National Guard. Maybe the B. Hussein O. “thesis” will be there, too.

There’s one born every minute - we have living proof right up here ^^^^

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:15 pm 57. misanthropicus:

RE: Steve J.: “misanthropicus writes “yet Glibama’s Columbia thesis in political science is under padlock.” No it isn’t. It was tossed out a LONG time ago. These aren’t kept by Columbia.”

Steve: “Si non e vero, e ben trovato”, remember?
1) The thesis ain’t been tossed out, the school formaly declined to make it available.
2) Even if the thesis was tossed out, mister Obama (who so generously made public so many details of his life & his travails in his majestic works), could be that obliging to let us have a peek at it, couldn’t it? He was asked… we still wait…

I expect either answer from you:
a) the thesis in ternational relations written in 1983, by an opossum who runs for US presidency in 2008, is not important, it’s the bridge-building abilites of that opossum that matter,
b) yeah, sure, anytime, but the problem is, Michelle tossed it out by mistake (should have done the same with her Princeton oevre).

Your turn, dude. And remember “Si non e vero, e ben trovata” - in this case the translation is “EEL”.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:35 pm 58. hank:

i think we do deserve to learn everything we can about barack obama, as he could be the next person to hold the position of the most powerful man in the world. the ideas he advances and the positions he advocates as president will not only affect americans it will also affect the entire world.

but the way to learn about obama is not through a person like corsi who uses right wing sources, smears, untruths , downright lies, to advance the idea that obama is some kind of stealth muslim, who wants to destroy the us.

one pint corsi makes is already been dis proven, and all he had to do was actually read dreams from my father,

corsi claimed obama never thanked his family in his book : False
in the introduction to the book obama does thank his famiy, so if he can not even get these facts right how can we trust him with the more important issues in his book.

learn all you can about obama and for that matter mccain but make sure it is an unbiased source and not some left wing or right wing nut job.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:35 pm 59. Jay:

Most supporters of Obama resort to name calling when replying to such articles. That was not the case with the liberals and even the leftists of the past. The socialists argued from their ideology and the liberals supported the labor unions and welfare.
As for Clinton’s economy it was a Wall Street hype economy but with a strong dollar due to imported capital. Now we are exporting capital and have a weak dollar.
I spend a week working in Jakarta. It is a scary place now and it was not so safe when I was there twelve years ago.
Hawaii is the most corrupt state in the US even worse than Texas and Illinois. Chicago is now the most corrupt big city in the US. That is not name calling and Obama’s connections with Chicago politics is a negative. But he looks better than Mayor Daley.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:36 pm 60. ex-democrat:

Here’s the new, more elevated improved standard of public debate that Obama and his change-bots bring us:

“Corsi’s a 9-11 Truther and all around nutjob.”

“Kimball is a four-eyed, bow-tied twat. His jealousy of Obama’s full head of hair is painfully obvious.”

“You wingnuts are a freaking joke. Why don’t you take the tinfoil off of your heads and come out into the real world. I promise. It’s really not that scary.”

“Today’s Hate Obama piece, from a square who wears bow ties. … Crap like this only increases my sympathy for Obama and makes me think that Mr. Kimball is nothing more than the average, petty blogtard.”

“What a pathetic bunch of losers you guys are.”

“.. you’re a xenophone, Kimball. Nice bow tie, dude - looks like you were cloned in a Republican factory. They actually pay you for this garbage?”

“Pathetic.”

“… you are just a sad little Republican conspiracy nut looking for something to make themselves feel smarter at the dinner table.”

“I don’t know enough about Roger Kimball and his supposed membership in NAMBLA but it should be investigated. His pouty lips, beady eyes and predilection for bow ties suggest a latent pedophilia that should make any conservative question his judgment. See how easy that is.”

“what gutless, cowardly little man Corsi (and his ilk) is.”

“… the scurrilous, scrofulous dregs of humanity masquerading as the pinnacle of Western Civilization that are the likes of Mr. Corsi and yourself. See you in hell, pal!”
“Jerome Corsi is to journalism as Cleopatra is to virginity on the Nile. The man is a sleazy hack. Naturally, this whimpering little simp Kimball –God, he’s the very embodiment of lily white pussy– embraces him. It’s hack-on-hack love.”

Yes. We. Can.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:40 pm 61. Claude:

Several of Roger Kimball and his avid commenters have challenged the assertion that they are utterly ridiculous tools wholly disconnected from reality. In particular, they point to significant parts of that accusation - specifically that they are “utterly ridiculous” rather than merely “broadly ridiculous” - as subject to debate.

“Challenged”? Who would doubt it? Anything can be challenged: “Who goes there?” But have those “significant parts” been shown to be false?

By the evidence of this post and its associated comments, they have not…

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:44 pm 62. Mark J:

Kerry did sign the Navy Form 180 and did release his entire military record after his campaign was over. The records did not support Corsi’s Swift Boat allegations. For those who are so troubled by the fact that Kerry did not release his records while he was running for president, are you equally troubled by the fact that, so far, John McCain has refused to release his complete military record?

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:44 pm 63. Steve J.:

misanthropicus writes ” The thesis ain’t been tossed out, the school formaly declined to make it available.”

That’s not true.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:46 pm 64. Vinny Vidivici:

Come on, Steve. You can do better than a rebuke that begins with “I personally didn’t see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that” — which hardly reinforces his Senate testimony accusations — and ends with General Franks’ honorable reluctance to criticize his fellow warriors.

Atrocities take place in every war and no one’s arguing that this wasn’t the case in Vietnam. So put away that straw man before it catches fire. Rather, it was Kerry’s willingness to use the cooked-up fantasies of fraudulent ‘winter soldiers’ — and his proclivity for tall tale telling (Christmas in Cambodia) — which deserved all the scrutiny and opprobrium it got.

My question remains unanswered: Since when does citing what a man has actually said or done constitute a ’smear’ or, to make it easier for some folks, ’swiftboating’?

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:47 pm 65. Claude:

@ex-democrat

EXACTLY! True elevated debate would focus instead on factually unsupported contentions of secret radicalism, religious apostasy, foreign citizenship and some sort of secret cabal between Barack Obama and Columbia University to suppress the cook book for human flesh he is believed to have written as a senior thesis. Let us return to that high road forthwith!

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:48 pm 66. Steve J.:

mjisanthropicus writes “2) Even if the thesis was tossed out, mister Obama (who so generously made public so many details of his life & his travails in his majestic works), could be that obliging to let us have a peek at it, couldn’t it? He was asked… we still wait…”

He didn’t save it. This was just a long college paper, nothing like a Master’s or Ph. D. thesis. In fact, most people I know don’t keep copies of the latter either.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:48 pm 67. Steve J.:

Vinny writes “Rather, it was Kerry’s willingness to use the cooked-up fantasies of fraudulent ‘winter soldiers’ ”

Tommy Franks disagrees with you. Take it up with him.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:49 pm 68. Saltherring:

The leftist trolls are swarming out of the woodwork…a sure sign the cat is out of the bag on their messiah. And less than three months for Americans to scratch their heads in wonder as to how this clown ever saw more than single digits in an early primary. Don’t let the door slap your a$$ on the way out, Barak!

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:50 pm 69. Lefty Flynn:

Barack’s big mistake was running for President at 47 instead of 57. If he waited 10 years he would have 14 years experience in the Senate. Plus, he could have ridded himself of Rev. Wright and Ahers 10 years before the election. His “radical past” would have been old news.
Maybe he will turn out to be Abe Lincoln, but I really do not think he is ready to be President.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:50 pm 70. Keisha Jackson:

Corsi is magnificent! If he can save us from the self-appointed “messiah” then more power to the man. This cult of personality is out of control. A following of brainless sheep for the obama nation.

Aug 13, 2008 - 2:56 pm 71. misanthropicus:

RE: Steve J.: misanthropicus writes, Glibamma’s thesis at Columbia and … eels.

… and you have Eeeled it! Bellow are Steve’s answers:
1) misanthropicus: ” The thesis ain’t been tossed out, the school formaly declined to make it available.”
Steve’s answer: That’s not true.
b) misanthropicus: yeah, sure, anytime, but the problem is, Michelle tossed it out by mistake (should have done the same with her Princeton oevre).
Steve’s answer: He didn’t save it. This was just a long college paper, nothing like a Master’s or Ph. D. thesis. In fact, most people I know don’t keep copies of the latter either.

Well, my friend, it looks like indeed mister Obama’s, our presidential candidate, thesis motto was “God damn America!”

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:02 pm 72. davod:

Mortimer Peacock:

If you are going to strut on this blog, the least you should do is read the history.

Kerry visited the North Vietnamese Peace mission in Paris twice. Both times he was still in the USN. His peace suggestions mirrored exactly the Norths proposals.

Did I mention his villification of the US military before Congress in the 70s.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:07 pm 73. Vinny Vidivici:

Mark J, 2:44 pm:

Others claim the exact opposite of what you have, and they provide no more evidence than you have. Who to believe? Besides, how could his medical record either substanitate or refute all the Swifties allegations, since not all were medical in nature?

I am, however, aware that McCain has released oceans of ink about his medical condition, but Obama has given us a letter from his school nurse — sorry, his doctor. I’d be interested to know the impact of the extensive drug use Obama decribes in his book. Or would asking about something the man wrote in one of his two autobiographies — two volumes needed to cover a life of such extensive accomlishment — constitute a ’smear’?

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:07 pm 74. Self-hating boomer:

I suppose the trolls are too young to remember all the snorkering about “Milhous”. Yes, middle names are fair game.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:09 pm 75. davod:

Mark J:

Kerry did sign the Navy Form 180 and did release his entire military record after his campaign was over.

LIAR.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:14 pm 76. Vinny Vidivici:

Steve J:

Not with the transcript you provided. But then, it didn’t do much to support your original contention, either.

And if you think Franks endorsed the ‘winter soldiers’, maybe you’re the one who needs to take it up with him.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:15 pm 77. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA:

MarkJ said “Kerry did sign the Navy Form 180 and did release his entire military record…”
I’ve heard that the reality is bit more nuanced. It might not be possible to learn the truth, but here is more detail–
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-lipscomb/why-running-on-the-record_b_109691.html

my fave SwiftBoat story was when NightLine spent a small fortune going to Vietnam to get locals to discredit a story in the book. when confronted with that (sorry if I’m spelling the name wrong) O’Neill pulled out a Kerry book, the approved biography by D Brinkley and “Unfit for Command” and showed that all 3 American sources agreed. only the Vietnamese thy NL producers dug up had a differing story.
I still have the feeling the swifties were basically correct and the media simply refused to check out the charges. much like today’s Edwards situation.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:17 pm 78. barth:

To mtm:

You wrote:
“If the religion in question holds that people of Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths are enemies to be wiped off the face of the map, then, yes, Islam is not compatable with the plurality of American life and any candidate should be examined closely to see if he or she is extensively connected to it.”

Your very carefully-worded statement is a hypothetical statement, in form.

Would you also directly declare that all or most adherents of the Islamic religion hold that “people of Christianity, Judaism, and other faiths are enemies to be wiped off the face of the map?”

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:17 pm 79. Ed Wallis:

THE PREDICTABLE LEFTIST BLA-BLA : “Steve J.: glc writes “Obama really does believe in income redistribution..” So did the Apostles and the earliest Christians: Acts of the Apostles….”

SOUNDS NICE UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT COMMUNISTS AND EX/”NEO”-COMMUNISTS IN GERMANY - SUCH AS GREGOR GYSI - SAY QUOTE SIMILAR PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THEIR EXTREME SOCIALIST POLICIES!!!

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:21 pm 80. Vinny Vidivici:

Jay, ex-democrat:

I’d noticed the same thing. Thanks for the list.

Like Le Car: “You clowns have nothing to offer but xenophobia, racism and fear.”

Because he says so, I guess . . . Categorical declarations, hyperbole, straw men, red herrings and name calling. But then, these folks probably weren’t debate team captains.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:23 pm 81. Jim,MtnViewCA,USA:

For anyone who groans at the thought of John Kerry, Form 180 and so on, here is one brief snip from the article listed above.
Yes, Sen Kerry signed form 180. But no, the info was not released to the public.
“…in the Spring of 2005, Kerry pulled off one of the most remarkable political ploys in American history. He got three of the greatest imperial powers in the American press to conspire with him to hide the very records Kerry had repeatedly promised to release to the American people.
Kerry signed a Form 180 restricting the release of his military records to the Associated Press, the Boston Globe, and the Los Angeles Times on the condition that the three news organizations would be allowed to extract them for their readers, but must not publish more than a certain amount of them. When I approached these organizations asking to see the records, they refused me access — just as they have refused anyone else.”

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:26 pm 82. Lefroy:

I’m a card carrying conservative, but isn’t this detestation of Obama a bit OTT? He was an ambitious black man making his way up the greasy pole of American politics, isn’t it inevitable that he would frequently find himself in company with the (comparatively) far left of american political life? And what of it? I suspect there are not all that many politicians in America who are very much more principled than Obama, sad to say, or who have not, in the course of their political lives, had contacts and alliances which they would prefer were not exposed in the New York Times or on Fox News (depending on political hue). And this conspiracy theory about maybe Obama is a secret muslim, really! I can’t buy this. Let’s focus by all means on his political agenda, but let’s keep the mad paranoia out of it.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:41 pm 83. Claude:

Thank GOD the phony hero John Kerry with his faked war wounds and the Manchurian candidacy of his lengthy and successful public service was kept out of the White House! I think we can all agree that the country - nay, the world! - is far better off with an over-privileged serial business failure, recovering alcoholic and drug addict who believes the Lord speaks to him leading the way for the past eight years. I mean, the results speak for themselves!

I don’t think there is any question that our priorities as a nation were spot-on back in 2000, and that the right man was appointed by the Supreme Court. Let’s make sure we get it right again and focus on whether or not Obama cranked as much blow as W did, investigating if he is a secret agent for - what was it? Indonesia? - and determining once and for all the details of his final solution for all of America’s non-Muslims. (The last of which he apparently worked out while spending several decades in Christian church.)

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:42 pm 84. Mortimer Peacock:

Davod-

The jibberish you’re spewing about the “North Vietnamese Peace Mission in Paris” isn’t history. It’s a paranoid hallucination composed of half-remembered historical events: the 1968 peace talks in Paris (attended by loathsome Commies like Henry Kissinger), and a delegation of US Congressmen that went to Vietnam in the early 90s to re-establish contact.

You’ll have to explain just how Kerry “vilified” the US military before Congress. I know your ideology forces you to believe that no one who happened to have been born on American soil is capable of war crimes, but certain US servicemen DID commit atrocities in Indochina: an empirical fact and a matter of record, I’m afraid.

Aug 13, 2008 - 3:45 pm 85. Leftist Boob #437:

Man, this Kimball guy! Such a racist, xenophobic person! I bet he’s a religious extremist homophobe who supports the death penalty to boot! I’ve gotta rebuff this person:

You should die and go to hell, you typical racist white guy who probably is gay! Gay lily-white bowtie man! Nyaah nyaah!

Wow, that was a good one! Probably the best yet on this thread… My moral superiority is even more perfect than my logic! Obama’s predestined victory is surely assured now!

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:00 pm 86. Vinny Vidivici:

Lefroy, you make an excellent point — actually several of them — about the compromises politicians make. Which renders all the talk about ‘change’ just so much packaging.

I see an extremely thin resume, an untested character, no signal accomplishments, extremely naive misconceptions about the way the world works and a man of the Left, despite statism’s disastrous track record. And I get the impression — directly, from what he says — that he really doesn’t like the country he seeks to lead. Notice, nothing about his religion or his wife or his friends or the color of his skin.

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:10 pm 87. Hope Muntz:

People need to bear in mind that at least half of the pro-Obama posts attacking his critics at sites like this are made by paid campaign staffers who do nothing else all day.

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:13 pm 88. Vinny Vidivici:

I’m afraid Claude and Mortimer have dragged out enough straw men to keep them busy arguing with themselves for hours. This thread: RIP.

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:22 pm 89. Neo:

Frankly, I think this interview could blow his connection to Evangelicals.

It also explains that Trinity UCC was more about “street cred” than religion.

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:29 pm 90. MARIO:

Why am I not surprised this radical right wing nut Corsi wrote a trashy book against Obama?His book on Kerry has been repudiated as crap and full of lies so I am not at all shocked to see this piece of turd come out from under the rock he lives in to dispel more lies…this “author” and I mean it very loosely would write the same crap whoever the Democratic candidate would ve been,even if it were FDR or Kennedy themselves…his book deserves to go directly to the trash bin…where s Corsi’s book on Cheney?I m not gonna hold my breath.

Aug 13, 2008 - 4:38 pm 91. redneckdago:

The anonymity of the internet gives many the courage to say what they certainly wouldn’t say if they were standing up close and personal with the target of their ad hominem attack. Of course, follow up and investigation, that old technique of fact finding and debate seems to be out the window.

Screaming in caps from the safety of home or Starbucks is the way of the warrior, isn’t it. Must be really hitting home on the vast gray area, the smokey and amorphous Obama nation.

Definitely going to read the book now that none other that the Paper of Record gave the endorsement.

Aug 13, 2008 - 5:13 pm 92. swtexasflyer:

Don’t vote on McCain OR Obama based on books, attack ads, or speeches. Check their past voting records on issues. Both lie and tell one group one thing and the next group the opposite. It’s not much or a choice, pick the one who lies the least.

Aug 13, 2008 - 5:23 pm 93. Lefroy:

- But isn’t it great that these guys are reading Roger’s blog AND being driven to distraction by it!!

Aug 13, 2008 - 5:23 pm 94. Le Car:

“Because he says so, I guess”

Because it’s right the in the friggin article, you moron.

Aug 13, 2008 - 5:42 pm 95. schnargley:

I am utterly ashamed and in shock at my leftist comrades’ temerity cloaked with juvenile epithets here on this thread. It is as if there were evidence uncovering the fact that Obama was gay, and all the so-called progressives screamed and howled that it wasn’t true, that it couldn’t be true as if tbeing gay were some disease or something. I for one will not play this cowardly game some of my progressive comrades are playing here.

Ok. He has revolutionary, Marxist, radical ties and was trained by them from an early age…what the hell? Good! Have you comrades all gone bourgesoie? What the hell is “change” supposed to mean anyway to you reactionary idiots? Geesh!

He has an affinity and background in Islam, or at least with neo-fascist racist pro-Islamic Christianity (hey, I’m an atheist so I don’t understand religion anyway,), sympathy with Palestinian terrorists, a middle name that invokes genocidal connotations in some…damn, that’s the best news ever! As if what we don’t need is someone who sympathizes with the Islam countries and can identify with them so we can get along with them. Hello? It’s called getting along with the international community? Ever hear of it? “Hussein! Hussein! Hussien!” I say, (as well as every true honest progressive.) Heck, we were all sympathizing with Saddam when the US invaded him anyway. Why the backpedalling? It is pathetic.)

So what if he gets along famously with so many diverse people- both Islamic freedom fighters in Palestine, Marxist revolutionary fighting-for-justice-and-bringing-down-the-government-so-the-people-can-take-it-back types, anti-racist fighting for the freedom of illegals and asylum with massive government aid, the youth. If he has the resume and experince as thick as Paris Hilton’s nightie…we should applaud all this. Not run around like capitalist pigs before the firing squad pleading for their lives and denying everything.

Get some gonads, comrades! Onward! Yes, we can!

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:17 pm 96. ConsDemo:

ex-democrat said “Here’s the new, more elevated improved standard of public debate that Obama and his change-bots bring us:

“Corsi’s a 9-11 Truther and all around nutjob.””

If you read Brainster’s blog, you would see he is not an Obama supporter. Second, check out the Youtube link in Brainster’s post. Corsi does in fact endorse the dishonest stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories. If you believe America killed its own on 9/11, then Jerome Corsi agrees with you.

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:26 pm 97. TomJW:

pch1013:
New definition of “troll”: Anyone who is not slavishly devoted to regurgitating the latest fashionable anti-Obama smears.
Aug 13, 2008 - 1:00 pm

A troll would be someone who lies about their opponent and changes the story when told to defend their lies. as you did on a previous thread when lied by equating the Obama/wright relationship to the McCain/Hagee relationship.

Give up your trollish ways and youcan get people to listen to you.

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:27 pm 98. TomJW:

JP:
The Times already pointed out two lies…
Aug 13, 2008 - 1:06 pm

The Times? The Times? Yeah, they would be the expert on lies. If you get your ‘news’ from them, you’ll go bankrupt with them.

Someone said it already. Obama’s a socialist at best, maybe even a communist. That’s enough to not get my vote. The book will have to stand the test of time (certainly not Times) to see if it is valid.

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:31 pm 99. TomJW:

Mark J:
Kerry did sign the Navy Form 180 and did release his entire military record after his campaign was over.
Aug 13, 2008 - 2:44 pm

The release of military records is a complicated procedure. First, the military does not hold the records. Kerry released them to the navy and had someone review and remove, back to storage, portions of his record. Then he said the Navy could show his records. By law, the Navy had to them say all the records were released. His records never noted why he did not recieve an honorable discharge initially, only that later an official in the Carter administration granted him an honorable discharge.

Finding out the truth of his discharge, and for others more, would be the true release of his records. It never happened.

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:41 pm 100. Le Car:

schnargley killed the HELL out of those strawmen!

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:53 pm 101. audie2:

Claude You are one loco hombre. Thank God you are a Democrat

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:56 pm 102. xxpat:

As a Chicagoan I find it incredulous that there are still intelligent folk (well semi-intelligent folk) out there that think that we know little about Obama’s background. The word on the street here is that we know more about him than we’ve ever known about any other candidate. Time just ran an incredibly detailed piece about every moment of his life. The Tribune has run multi multi-page bios of him and his family. And he lives large here in Hyde Park, a well known figure in the community. So what more do you need to know?

The bigger mystery is McCain’s bio. What do we really know about him? Or his wife who refuses to disclose her financial shenanigans. And why has the press been so quiet about McCain’s affairs?

It works both ways, you know. I for one am much less trustful of a serial adulterer like McCain than someone who may or may not actually harbor beliefs about God that do not meet the neo-con litmus test. So what do YOU beleve, Mr. Kimbal? And what does John McCain actually believe? As far as I can tell he uses the church as a shill to give his agnosticism respectability.

Aug 13, 2008 - 6:57 pm 103. Dave ll:

I can certainly understand all the Obamacons being concerned about this book and another article promoting it, hearsay or not…

The problem is not with this book though, it is with Obama himself.

A book like this would not sell like hotcakes if only Obama would come clean with all the UNKNOWNS and QUESTIONS we the voters have!

And if you say “he has”…you’re only drinking the kool-aid his campaign is offering up.

This book is popular only BECAUSE voters want to know more about him! It is NOT (as many here think) being bought by right-wing nutjobs interested in learning MORE than they already need to know to NOT vote for the guy. It is being bought by the vast “silent center” still undecided about who this guy is…

Too bad for Obama he’s so evasive.

Oh, and while we’re on the subject of books…

Too bad for Pelosi that no one care what SHE has to say!!

(Come on all you nutroots! Buy her book…show her some love!)

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:00 pm 104. Typical White Person:

Wow, the crude and rude Obamabots are out in force here! They are very, very nervous since they realize The One will not be miraculously installed as prez without a fight! And the only way they know how to fight is to play the insult game and call everyone bitter, racist, gun-clingers like The One. So tired a technique. Nobody cares that Obam-uh-uh is half black. He’s a leftist with no experience and that’s why he will lose badly in November.
Very simple.

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:24 pm 105. bETTY b:

OBAMA’S FULL HEAD OF HAIR? i’M 70, MY HAIR IS THINNING, BUT I STILL HAVE MORE THAN HE HAS. WHERE IS JOHN EDWARDS WHEN YOU NEED HIM? OH.. NEVER MIND…

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:39 pm 106. Claude:

Vinny Vidivici wrote:

I’m afraid Claude and Mortimer have dragged out enough straw men to keep them busy arguing with themselves for hours. This thread: RIP.
____________

VV, my man, your powers of projection are truly a sight to behold! Besides, all of the straw men posted by Roger’s loyal readers looked like they were lonely and needed some friends to play with; they certainly can’t stand on their own.

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:40 pm 107. Betty Jo Kidd:

I find it amusing, all the comments here that say the book was well researched and Obama has all of these relationships with extremist ect, WHAT A CROCK!!!! Most of the reviews relate all of the errors and myths associated with this book. IT,S A HIT JOB. The same as Kerry,s hit job. This man does not want Obama to become president, and so he writes a fairly good novel about him. A NOVEL: He doesn,t beleive that we have the intelligence to determine if we want a stage 2 demtia warmongering big oil man or a man that has a vision of unity for this country. I,ll bet he made a lot of money. THE MAIN REASON HE WROTE THE BOOK.

Aug 13, 2008 - 7:42 pm 108. Claude:

Lefroy wrote:

- But isn’t it great that these guys are reading Roger’s blog AND being driven to distraction by it!!
_______________

No no no! You’ve got it all wrong! Nobody who is visiting Roger’s blog and using - you know - facts instead of mouth-breathing paranoia to form their world view is UPSET. We’re just gleefully stunned by the level of abject foolishness attempting to masquerade as sober discussion.

I mean seriously? You guys are debating John Kerry’s medical records? How in the world does that matter? (And if it does, you could at least exhibit some intellectual honesty and apply the same standard to George Bush.) What’s on tap for tomorrow? Wait, wait - don’t tell me; a ribald debate over the Clintons’ “assassination” of Vince Foster?

A few years ago, we might indeed have been “driven to distraction” since you guys still had your hands on the wheels of power. Now, however, as your historically pathetic performance has you deservedly reaching the end of your wretched run and getting ready to spend the 50 years in the political wilderness, it’s just funny. REALLY funny.

In fact, it’s the depth of the dimwitted navel-gazing which has us engaged. We’re not up in arms at all - in fact, this is my new favorite humor site - because prodigious, self-defeating, simple-mindedness of this level is just too fun to ignore!

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:04 pm 109. deliverstayv:

are glass apple we car all look ibm england

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:25 pm 110. Cletus:

looks like someone posted this article to one of george soros’ blogs

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:30 pm 111. misanthropicus:

Yo, all you Glibamatrolls!
It seems that Kimball hit a raw nerve with his piece aboute Corsi/Glibama and the uninteded effects of the NY Times review of Corsi’s book, and now you’re all scurrying this place (see ex-democrat’s list above) to kill anyone who questions the Opossum’s divinity - your ways are remarkably similar to the Russian cyber attacks on Estonia and Georgia.
And since here, bellow is a Guardian piece of two days ago which, in tones reminding the good Soviet/Pravda & Izvestia years, reviews the American press RE Georgia affair, and Kimball appears there, too, as one of those rotten Americans! This guy’s doing something right, I tell you.
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The Guardian/08-11-2008/James Poulos

The real wake-up call of South OssetiaThe anti-Russian lobby is in full flow, but there are more important lessons to be learned from the Russo-Georgian conflictAll comments

As Russian columns advance into Georgia proper, columns in the American press fill with dire warnings and withering contempt for anyone so puerile as to ever trust a Russian. George Bush’s infamous glimpse into Putin’s soul failed to recognise what nostalgic cold warriors have always insisted was pinned to his sleeve: a heart that beats for lost imperial glory, and a ruthless ambition to match. Blogging at the Weekly Standard, John Noonan describes the Georgia conflict as the consequence of “Chamberlain-esque conflict aversion”. National Review’s Jonah Goldberg cries that “this is what happens” when the west takes its eye off the Russians to enjoy the Olympics.
“This”, of course, is the brutalisation of a hapless, innocent, fledgling democracy - a role played to the hilt by Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who has spared no absurdity in his increasingly haggard efforts to trigger a western bailout of his hasty and ill-advised weekend invasion of long-autonomous South Ossetia.
Saakashvili’s overheated rhetoric - “If the whole world does not stop Russia,” he has remarked, “then Russian tanks will be able to reach any other European capital” - is illustrative of the kind of feverish thinking that is sure to transform a regional crisis into a global one. But where the frustrated desperation that Saakashvili has brought upon himself seems to explain his descent into hyperbole, American commentators have no such excuse. The real wake-up call placed by the Russo-Georgian conflict is not a clarion to a new cold war, but a head check for pro-democracy ideologues - whose idealism has ratified a style of sloppy thinking and rote sloganeering that actually threatens the durability of representative government around the world.
The anti-Russia lobby is giving the pro-Israel lobby a run for its money, hyping the settling of scores among two European, Orthodox Christian countries as more dangerous to the peace and security of the west than any clash of civilisations or jihad ever was. Casting this conflict as a 9/11-style litmus test of patriotism and humanity, New Criterion editor Roger Kimball praises John McCain as a man who “knows evil and repudiates it”, deriding Barack Obama as one “crippled by moral relativism” for daring to admit “fault on both sides”. For Kimball, Russia, “uncivilised” as our terrorist enemies, affords the added menace of a disgruntled ex-superpower hell-bent on “an imperialist mission”. Meanwhile, at Slate, Anne Applebaum balefully warns that Russia may make “Islamic terrorism” look like “the least of our problems”.
This will only come true if the west, in a paroxysm of fear and loathing, makes an enemy of Russia - which, indeed, would be a far more formidable foe than Iran, Hizbullah, and al-Qaida combined. No strategy against jihad can succeed with Russia aligned actively against the west. But no Russian official has expressed a desire to eradicate Georgia from the face of the earth, or drive the Georgian people into the sea. Nor are motives like these driving an illegal and destabilising Russian nuclear programme. Nor is our friendship with Georgia quite as deep and profound as our friendship with Israel.
Despite moans of wishful outrage to the contrary, the small, democratic ally is not a Weberian ideal type or a Platonic form. Saakashvili is a deeply imperfect leader, prone to beating his domestic opposition in the streets, and the Georgia he leads is a country that has been fragmented from birth.
The anti-Russian reaction obscures the basic particularity of the Georgian situation, and all the history that informs it. These lost, sound judgment in pursuit of even a forthright agenda of assertive democracy promotion becomes impossible. Treating the Georgia we see on the map as if it were as sovereign and whole as the state of Israel, or Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, sets us down a path of danger and confusion. But the pro-democracy ideologues confusing big hearts for big brains make this mistake by design.
The fact of the matter is that the territorial integrity of Georgia has been continuously undermined from within since the Abkhazians and South Ossetians first rebelled in the early 1990s. A central contention of the anti-Russian crowd holds that Georgia today would have been saved, if only the west had the courage to admit the country into Nato at once. But Nato membership was in large part imagined to smooth Georgia’s reassertion of sovereignty in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In short, the integrity of Nato was to be gambled on precisely the sort of move Saakashvili has just engineered to such catastrophic effect - and on the odds that Russia would abandon its citizens in those territories to frank and open aggression. How democratic.
Another talking point advanced relentlessly by the anti-Russians proclaims, per Saakashvili, “today Georgia, tomorrow the world”. The editors of the Washington Post have railed that:
The principles at stake, including sovereignty and territorial integrity, apply well beyond the Caucasus. To abandon Georgia and its fragile democratic Rose Revolution would send a terrible signal to other former Soviet and Warsaw Pact republics that to Moscow’s dismay have achieved or are working toward democracy and fully independent foreign policies.
Would that these sacrosanct principles had applied to Serbia, which fought on just those grounds to keep Kosovo an integral part of its recognised territory. But the west recognised that European integration and American good faith would both have been profoundly damaged by stiffing the Kosovans; and in a sound calculation that combined realpolitik with democratic principle, Kosovo was recognised as an independent state of the sort that, soon, Russia will be recognising Abkhazia and Ossetia as. Indeed, it is hard to see how the Georgian taste for democracy is any weaker than the Kosovan, or how the fate of Abkhazia and Ossetia affects the fate of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, or the Baltics - long-sovereign nation-states without ungovernable autonomous regions, and Nato members to boot.
The fact remains that even if Russia were to squander its advantages and foolishly conquer all of Georgia, the consolidation of democratic, representative government on mainland Europe would be unaffected. American foreign policy, however, would not be. As much as we must work not to make an enemy of Russia, we cannot rule out the possibility that Russia, in its zeal to teach Georgia a lesson it will never forget, may be willing to risk making an enemy of America. Given the jingoism coming from American quarters, Russia enjoys, as is its wont, plausible grounds for appealing to the simple logic of tit for tat.
The natural response is the firm but fair stance taken up by Barack Obama and the Bush administration - cognisant of the complex of blame in the Caucasus, but adamant that Russia not devastate Georgia without consequence. The alternative, typified by the anti-Russian caucus present within the McCain campaign and the American commentariat, is to romanticise Georgia and demonise Russia out of all proportion - not so dreadful, as election-year shenanigans go, but for the most imprudent and destructive policy that must follow upon it.

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:52 pm 112. Judy, NYC:

hey, le car. xenophobia, racism, fear. yup. now i’ve not got all three. and i have to say, i never had even one. of course, that was before the psychotic barry obama became a disgrace to american democracy and shat all over the road to the white house.

Aug 13, 2008 - 8:53 pm 113. GTerry:

Patriotman,
So you won’t sound so quite so uneducated the next time you write, do yourself a favor and read the U.S.Constitution. Article I clearly points out that the Congress has the lawmaking ability of the U.S. Government. Article II says the Executive (the President) shall be the law enforcing branch of the government. In other words, only Congress can pass a budget, whether it be inflationary or a balanced budget. You are correct when you say Clinton had a balanced budget and Bush does not. Clinton had a Republican Congress setting the budget while Bush has a Democratic Congress setting his budget. Please remember, only CONGRESS can pass a budget. The President can only REQUEST a given amount for a budget, CONGRESS has to approve it before the President gets what he has asked for. Now Patriotman, which party passed those “out of control” spending bills you were referring to?

Aug 13, 2008 - 9:33 pm 114. Sam Snead:

Did you ever consider doing something worthwhile with your life, or did you decide early on that fomenting ignorance would be your calling?

Aug 13, 2008 - 9:35 pm 115. Sam Snead:

when did you decide that smear was a part of legitimate journalism. i guess your hero was william randolph hearst. what do you say to the legions of idealistic young journalists who actually believe that balance and truth matter? To them, you are utterly disgusting.

Aug 13, 2008 - 9:39 pm 116. CKA in Red State USA:

RE Javelin’s post: “Today’s Hate Obama piece, from a square who wears bow ties. The people buying this book, like most of the people here, are NOT going to vote for him in the first place, so this is preaching to the choir It’s nice to see the usual hit tactics; calling him a Messiah, using his middle name in faux risque manner, before dumping on him. Crap like this only increases my sympathy for Obama and makes me think that Mr. Kimball is nothing more than the average, petty blogtard.”

So, once again, anything that opposes the charade that Obama is, is hate.

“A square who wears bow ties”? Huh?

“Usual hit tactics”? What?

“Calling him a Messiah”? First, Messiah already has been taken by Him who Obama claims to be a devout follower of. And if Obama were truly a follower, but not a CINO–Christian in name only–he’d have gone public, strongly, months ago when the MSM–his MSM, BTW–started calling him that or using visual and written analogies of Obama to Jesus the Christ. And Obama would’ve demanded that people stop comparing him to the real Messiah. And he would’ve continued until that stopped. But, given his megalomania, Obama could not, would not, can not.

“Using his middle name”? Hey, he brought that up first. And he chose, apparently, to change his name to Barack Hussein Obama. So, perhaps, Obama supporters such as Javelin first should ask Obama–or whatever his real name is, or whatever citizenship he may actually hold–about why he, Obama, brought his middle name up.

And recently, some Obama devotees began taking on his middle name to show their “solidarity” with him.

As for using Obama’s middle name in a “risque manner”? Now if the poster means in “daringly close to indelicacy or impropriety,” that’s interesting. I guess that’s new mintly code for racist?

BTW: Using the middle names of presidents or candidates goes way back, maybe too far for posters such as Javelin to remember or have learned. Dwight D. or Dwight David Eisenhower. Richard Milhous Nixon. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Lyndon Baines Johnson.

“Before dumping on him”? Hmm.

“That only increases my sympathty for Obama…”? Well, that would certainly fit the image that Obama has artfully cultivated: That he is a victim and that everyone who does not agree with him, or worship him, must somehow be either ignorant and stupid, or racist.

“.. . and makes me think that Mr. Kimball is nothing more than the average, petty blogtard.”

That’s a common deflection of criticism of Obama: The writer/poster/commenter/whatever of the comments to be criticized is called a so-and-so, meaning his/her remarks should be dismissed. That fallacy’s usually played when the person who raises it has nothing substantive with which to rebut the criticism/analyses that’s been made.

As for Mortimer Peacock’s assertion that Kerry’s trip to Paris to meet with the NVA Communists was an illusion? From a 2004 article in that conservative rag, the Boston Globe: “In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John F. Kerry, who was a leading antiwar activist at the time, asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being ‘murdered by the United States of America’ and said he had gone to Paris and ‘talked with both delegations at the peace talks’ and met with communist representatives. . . ‘I have been to Paris,’ Kerry said. ” have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh’s points . . . .’
The latter was a reference to a communist group based in South Vietnam. Historian Stanley Karnow, author of ‘Vietnam: A History,’ described the Provisional Revolutionary Government as ‘an arm of the North Vietnamese government.’ Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was a leader of the group and had a list of peace-talk points, including the suggestion that US prisoners of war would be released when American forces withdrew.”

Kerry was at that time still a USNR officer and not a member of the official U.S. delegation. One trip was in June 1970 or thereabouts. The other in August 1971.

BTW: Peacock also responded to Davod: “The jibberish you’re spewing about the ‘North Vietnamese Peace Mission in Paris’ isn’t history. It’s a paranoid hallucination composed of half-remembered historical events: the 1968 peace talks in Paris (attended by loathsome Commies like Henry Kissinger), and a delegation of US Congressmen that went to Vietnam in the early 90s to re-establish contact.

Nice try for deflection re: Kissinger and the 1990s whatever.

While the talks may have not been productive, they were still labled the Paris Peace Talks, or something aking to that.

But someone, perhaps, should apprise the NVA that they weren’t in Paris in 1971 and didn’t present a peace proposal on June 23, 1971. Or the southern Communists–that is, the Commmunists in what was at that time called the Republic of Vietnam, or South Vietnam–didn’t make a peace proposal on July 1, 1971.

Aug 13, 2008 - 9:59 pm 117. De race van 2008 » Let the swiftboating begin:

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Aug 13, 2008 - 10:19 pm 118. Fresh Air:

Hate to go off topic, but regarding Unfit for Command, there were very few conclusions in the book unsupported by evidence either adduced by John O’Neill (who wrote the first half) from official records or Kerry’s biography/diaries; or presented as sworn testimony by eyewitnesses.

What Kerry’s defenders never seemed to get (and still don’t, I suppose) is that Unfit was written by a trial lawyer. It was written as a document specifically designed to withstand charges of libel and defamation (which it has, BTW). That means that ALL evidence is footnoted. Quotations are verbatim. Facts were cross-checked when possible with other facts and corroborating witnesses. It is not possible to say, “The SwiftVets were discredited.” There is simply too much evidence–much of it from Kerry’s own diaries and official biography–for this to be remotely plausible. In fact, despite the media’s belated efforts to assist the Kerry campaign very little in the book was in fact refuted.

I will now provide a very short summary, of just the first charge and the counterclaims by Kerry’s defenders.

1. Kerry’s first Purple Heart–which was claimed for an injury sustained during a nighttime training run with live ammo on a Boston Whaler–was unearned, as it was superficial and was self-inflicted. Counterclaim: the Lt. who provided the eyewitness account was not on the skimmer at the time. Second counterclaim: the medical corpsman quoted in the video, Van Odell, did not sign the injury form, his superior did. Facts: Kerry was unqualified to skipper a boat as a Lt.j.g., therefore it is highly unlikely the senior Lt. was not onboard, as the only other individual involved was also a j.g. Kerry also remembered the Lt. and called to him using his call sign decades later at a veterans event. (The sign was “Batman”.) Kerry’s wound was embarrassingly superficial (a minor piece of shrapnel). It was caused by a piece of shrapnel richocheting from a grenade he launched into the darkness after panicking when he thought the boat had encountered the enemy. The corpsman treated Kerry, but as was standard practice his superior signed the injury release. The treatment was a band-aid.

I could go through every single other point the book makes in similar fashion. Kerry plainly was a glory hound. He was trying to get out of Vietnam using the three “Purple Hearts” rule. He acted sometimes bravely and sometimes cowardly. He was not an exemplary leader, and was not well-regarded by his peers or superiors.

None of this disqualifies him from being president. But coupling this dubious behavior with his absolutely on-the-record, unquestioned lies about his former men-in-arms in the theatre is simply beyond the pale. I won’t even go into to his meeting with the North Vietnamese in Paris while he was still in the USNR. He really was (and is) a complete jerk and not fit to lead.

Aug 13, 2008 - 10:43 pm 119. Fresh Air:

P.S. Sorry this was so long. Some day I will write up all 20 or so charges and each counterclaim and post them. There were certainly some minor details wrong in the book, and a couple of suppositions that are less than fully supported. But on the whole, it really is a devastating takedown of Kerry.

Aug 13, 2008 - 10:47 pm 120. Sam Snead:

Thank you for making it clear that Barack Obama is the bigest patriot in the next election. I feel so lucky that we have a system that brings forward the talent of someone like Mr. Obama. I”m also quite disturbed that threre are fanatics who don’t want mr. obama to succeed. These people are the equivalent of pustuluent sores.

Aug 13, 2008 - 10:47 pm 121. Fresh Air:

P.P.S. The medical corpsman’s was Louis Letson, not Van Odell. Can’t remember every detail…

Aug 13, 2008 - 10:58 pm 122. Rachel Peeper:

Let me see if I have this straight.

Just before it hit the presses, I, a simple college girl, said that “Obama Nation” was about to be number one on the NY Times Best Seller list. Well, many of you reacted by telling me I didn’t know what I was talking about, adding that they hoped my Dad wasn’t paying for my college education because it would be a waste of money. So I ask, “Who needs a little book learnin’ when it comes to the world of publishing?

Little old, blue eyed me? Or some of you haute, highbrow, Obama boys?

Permit me to frame the issue as I see it. Can a real American hero beat a blame-America- first liberal? Deep down, I think even you zelbot Obama worshipers know how this story ends.

Come November, John the bomb McCain is gonna wipe up the floor with the palooka from Puniville.

Yep, as they say in the fight game in Chitown, just another bum going down to an ignominious defeat. “Woulda, shoulda, coulda”.

Barry, I’ve gotta give it to you straight. It’s not to be.

Aug 13, 2008 - 11:12 pm 123. Brian J:

The author would have written an attack book on the Democratic nominee, no matter who he or she was. The author is from the right wing’s lunatic fringe. Come election time, people will ask themselves are we better off now after 7 years of Republican Rule? Is the country heading in the right direction? If the answers to those questions are no, then Democrats will win in a landslide. Historically, that’s the way our elections work.

Aug 14, 2008 - 12:52 am 124. Evil Pundit:

It’s easy to see that one side in this argument has facts, and the Obama side only has abuse.

Aug 14, 2008 - 2:29 am 125. James Anila:

What a pathetic, racist, low-IQ fuckwad you are.Bow tie to boot, closet case! Try stealing this one, boys, and there will be blood.

Aug 14, 2008 - 2:56 am 126. Tommy:

It is interesting to note that lot of the folks here are proud of being ignorant.
Education is good only if it’s combined with common sense.

Aug 14, 2008 - 3:11 am 127. Perry:

Mr. Anila,

By any chance, are you a Muslim?

Aug 14, 2008 - 3:52 am 128. Rachel Peeper:

Mr. James “holder the ladder” Anila,

You feel lucky punk?

Aug 14, 2008 - 4:00 am 129. Sheila:

Wow! The Lefties really are out in force today (for a minute I thought I had logged into the wrong site).

Could these possibly be BO’s “Volunteers” getting in their 6 hours worth..
….

Aug 14, 2008 - 4:02 am 130. GW Bezerk:

The very fact that Mr Kimball mocks Obama as the Messiah, just proofs Kimball’s own delusion of moral supremacy.

“The Calvinist Reformation taught the Scots/Irish that they were a chosen people and they hungered for the promised land which was always just beyond
the horizon. The Calvinists advocated the grimmer aspects of all things focusing on death and they actively persecuted those whom they considered to
be witches.”
http://www.ulster-scots.co.uk/docs/articles/historical/ulsterscots6.htm

Aug 14, 2008 - 4:59 am 131. barth:

Mike,

Thank you for your reply:
“Now don’t get me wrong. The particulars are NOT about what faith Obama professed or was brought up in as a child, or his religion, now or in the past. It is about the worrying fact that he HAS NOT TOLD THE TRUTH about his early background and that this CONCEALMENT is the issue that should be a matter of public interest.”

Yet Mr. Kimball wrote:
“Barack Hussein Obama’s possible connections with Islam is only one of the mysteries that the public deserves to learn more about.”

If Kimball’s concern were, like yours, about TRUTH-TELLING, and NOT about possible connections to ISLAM, why would he, a skilled writer, choose to motivate concern about HONESTY by writing such a sentence? The theme and salient subject of that sentence is clearly HUSSEIN’s connections with ISLAM.

Aug 14, 2008 - 5:16 am 132. hp:

and your messiah’s righthand following’s pre-election “record” (thus ultimately his since he is undoubtedly on daily speaking terms) is emotional abuse, intimidation, and suppression.

goody, goody, goody, just can’t WAIT to see what would happen were the unthinkable to happen and he actually made it into the w/h.

Aug 14, 2008 - 5:22 am 133. ehunter:

HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT.

There are no secrets about Obama. The truth is that he is just as vague and confused as he appears to be. He is Jimmy Carter II, but worse.

Aug 14, 2008 - 5:34 am 134. ehunter:

What are all these moonbat liberals doing on Kimballs site? They should drift off to locations where they
dont look so intelletually deficient.

Aug 14, 2008 - 5:36 am 135. Aztecwarrior:

It’s no wonder Barry Obama voted against the war. It was a no Marxist brainer and at minimum, he’s a Muslim sympathizer

Aug 14, 2008 - 6:10 am 136. Jabba the Tutt:

Ed Wallis:

THE PREDICTABLE LEFTIST BLA-BLA : “Steve J.: glc writes “Obama really does believe in income redistribution..” So did the Apostles and the earliest Christians: Acts of the Apostles….”

SOUNDS NICE UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT COMMUNISTS AND EX/”NEO”-COMMUNISTS IN GERMANY - SUCH AS GREGOR GYSI - SAY QUOTE SIMILAR PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE TO JUSTIFY THEIR EXTREME SOCIALIST POLICIES!!!

I think the difference is that the Christians did it voluntarily. Obama and the Socialists have and intend to use the force of the State to impose their radical ideas. The GuLag is the end station for that effort. There’s no other way to make everyone “equal”, but through extreme violence.

I don’t see Obama supporting free choice, volunteerism in anything. Michelle Obama has said that Barack is going to make you work. If this isn’t radical socialism, what is?

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Aug 14, 2008 - 6:53 am 139. rvastar:

The book could have been a lot shorter IMO - actually, just one page would have sufficed.

Page 1

1) Barack Obama has NO EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER.

2) Barack Obama has NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER.

3) Barack Obama has NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER.

The end.

He’s a Leftist college professor whose Senate career consists of voting “present” and running for the Presidency.

He’s unqualified.

Aug 14, 2008 - 7:02 am 140. jay:

This is great. The left have their panties in a bind over this. Maybe they are right that this is a hit piece because being the pros the left and Hollywood are, like the movie “W” or anything that comes out of Rosie O’Donnell’s fat head, They would know what a hit job looks like. Maybe “the chickens have come home to roost”.

Aug 14, 2008 - 7:10 am 141. RightBrain:

Barth:

You are missing the close relationship American has had with Islam, perhaps I should say more accurately: Fighting Islam.

The head of the Muslim tribes, Dey of Algiers was, around 1790, extracting a protection tax on people living in America that at one point totaled 20% of the GNP, it was Thomas Jefferson and John Adams who sought to put an end to this by forming a Federal government in order to build a United States Navy to fight the Muslims. (Because of this motivation for a Federal convention, the Dey of Algiers has been called the actual father of the American constitution by more than one historian.) Thomas Jefferson thereafter ran for a President of the US on a platform of launching a unilateral attack on the Muslim tribes of Western Africa and did so in a war known variously as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War. When you sing the Marine Hymn “From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli” that was Thomas Jefferson fighting Islam.

Why do we care about Islam today? Because the religion has taken an intolerant turn: We have Muslims murdering Buddhists in Thailand, Hindus in Indian, Jews in Israel, Taoists in China, Christians in Africa, tourists in Bali, commuters in Madrid and London, office workers in NYC…its along list. Islam has not gone through an enlightenment, does not believe in the separation of church and state, and believes that they will ultimately replace the non-Muslim world and are willing to do so with incredible violence.

Hence the real and valid concern that Senator Obama, both born and raised as a Muslim, is still is one at heart.

Aug 14, 2008 - 7:15 am 142. GB:

Steve J:

Read your whole Bible (Old and New Testaments). God makes it very clear that giving has to come from the heart and not forced by governments to use for less than Godly purposes. God’s Word also makes the receiver accountable — governments don’t.

Conservations give far more to charity than liberals, and it’s been associated with Christian commitments. Christian conservatives give more to the poor–they just do it more directly and for the most part through volunteering (as opposed to for a salary as in government workers). You know, from the heart.

Helping the poor is supposed to be the work of the churches, not the government. Maybe if people started attending church and if churches became less introspective and more interested in outreach, more would get done.

Aug 14, 2008 - 7:32 am 143. Blanstone:

Rachel Peeper…. I think I am in love.

Aug 14, 2008 - 8:45 am 144. Dave H:

An anonymous poster, afraid to speak under his own name, called Corsi “gutless.” One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on the internet.

Aug 14, 2008 - 9:07 am 145. pappy:

racheal: iv’e never seen someone so easily swayed. weren’t you expounding on the virtues of b-Ho in a previous forum? if so, hope springs eternal, if not, i must have read you wrong.

Aug 14, 2008 - 9:14 am 146. Daniel Morgan:

John Kerry went to VietNam for one reason, he thought it would help his political ambitions. He brought along his 8mm camera just to make sure he could document some of his great deeds during his whole 4 (four) Months there. However when he came home he found that the war was not so popular so he quickly became a anti-war activist along with the likes of (Hanoi Jane)Jane Fonda. He sat before a Congressional committee and lied about his fellow Veterans and called them all war criminals. Then almost 30 years latter has the nerve to walk out on the stage of the Democratic convention and salute his brainless supporters and say he is reporting for duty. And say I fought to protect this country as a young man and I am ready to fight to protect it now. If you look up the word traitor in the dictionary you may see John Kerry’s picture there.

Aug 14, 2008 - 9:27 am 147. Fresh Air:

When you’re taking flak, you know you’re over the target. This guy is about as soft a target as there is: a man who has glided through life on rails greased by affirmative action, a man of no significant accomplishments, save being elected to office, a man of modest intelligence with a soupy Marxist outlook, surrounded and advised by America haters.

The most unqualified candidate of a major party in my lifetime.

Aug 14, 2008 - 9:45 am 148. Sandra M:

Fresh Air said:

Hate to go off topic…

Off topic? No! Your comment totally rebuts the myth the far left and their allies in the media are trying to perpetrate with the term “swiftboating”. I will send your brilliant post to the next hapless journalist who dares use that term pejoratively.

John Kerry had been making noises about taking those “liars” to court. I wonder how many lawyers told him “no chance.”

What makes your post even more relevant is that John Kerry is apparently on the short list for Obama VP.

So, thank you for a job well done.

Aug 14, 2008 - 9:47 am 149. Rubicon:

If Corsi’s book is inaccurate or wrong, time will expose those fallacies. However, even if the book is accurate, many will “tell us” it is full of fallacies.
Some seem to think that “if they say its true, it is.” The real truth is, Corsi has uncovered a number of points & has put together another book exposing the hypocrisies of a candidate for office.
Does McCain have his hypocrisies, of course.
So….. write a book exposing them as Corsi has written about Obama, & has risked libel accusations in a civil court
Then, lets see if any civil complaints are filed.
Based on the inability of the NYT to even recognize their extreme leftist bias, and based on their desire to destroy this book, I have now ordered a copy for myself and eleven friends.

Aug 14, 2008 - 10:37 am 150. Le Car:

“Hence the real and valid concern that Senator Obama, both born and raised as a Muslim, is still is one at heart.”

Nobody ever went broke betting on the idiocy of the average wingnut.

Aug 14, 2008 - 10:59 am 151. Rachel Peepers:

Pappy,

Are you suggesting I’ve lost my zest and zeal for the great Obama and the beautiful Michelle. My good sir, perish the thought.

Love,
Rachel

Aug 14, 2008 - 11:47 am 152. srlucado:

I wasn’t going to buy this book, but seeing how it’s sending leftists into infantile paroxyms, I’ll buy copies for myself and a bunch of my friends–especially my liberal friends.

Then I’ll buy some stock in companies that make blood-pressure medication, sit back and wait for the profits to roll in. Ka-ching!

Finally, I’ve found something that rabid liberals can be good for.

Scott

Aug 14, 2008 - 1:55 pm 153. Vivienne Avare:

The media and Anti Obama crowds don’t have to tell on them, “0″ and wife Michelle just open their mouths and make themselves look bad! Regardless, how naive or radical the misguided Rookie is, his gullible, misinformed, smittened groupies and bias worshipers will still defend and follow the Great pretender! God help America

Aug 14, 2008 - 2:58 pm 154. LSD:

So how did all the foot-soldiers of of the new order become aware of this article? How, exactly, does that work? Are all you guys from Chicago?

It requires the willful suspension of disbelief to imagine that so many casual readers are simply driven berserk by the sight of a man in a bow-tie. “Grrr! what’s he trying to prove? -Pushing my buttons with that tie!”

-Imagine there are no bow ties, it’s easy if you try…”

Aug 14, 2008 - 3:20 pm 155. kiwikit:

Wow, this commentary certainly proves the perfection of Ann Coulter’s writing once again. Lefties have no idea how to argue (because they have no ideas;) their only technique is calling the enemy names. Roger’s lips have little to do with his ability to logically put forth his ideas!
So sad one side is so much more capable than the other. . . but then that’s why they’re right!

Aug 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm 156. ahem:

Roger, I love the smell of publicity in the morning….

Aug 14, 2008 - 8:01 pm 157. Donna:

Try stealing this one, boys, and there will be blood.

Ooooh, tough talk from the left. You are forgetting which side owns all the guns.

But, yeah, bring it on, tire pump boy. There would be blood alright - but it wouldn’t belong to the bitter gun-toting crowd.

Of course, you could always riot and trash your own cities - it’s been done before.

Aug 15, 2008 - 4:21 am 158. Sandra M:

The Democrats are using logical fallacies to attack the book OBAMA NATION and its author Jerome Corsi.

Firstly, the argumentum ad hominem, attacking the man not the argument, the person not the idea.

Then, “poisoning the well”. No one drinks from a poisoned well. So, they level a range of attacks on Corsi that have nothing to do with the contents of his book.

Namecalling is intellectual food fighting not rational debate.

The Swiftboat book was rational, logical and libel proof. On that basis, I bought this one.

And what I see from the Democrats is much frothing at the mouth which I find totally unpersuasive. Namecalling and nitpicking won’t do the job. For starters, Obama has many questions to answer about his involvement in Odinga’s Kenya campaign and the shoddy housing for the poor he and Tony Rezko were involved in.

Aug 15, 2008 - 8:48 am 159. Deb D:

All right, if you don’t want to believe Corsi, read Freddoso’s book (he’s a Columbia School of Journalism grad, by the way). He’s a reporter, who actually did reporting (a job American mainstream media won’t do) on Senator Obama. You can get a taste of Freddoso’s book, “The Case Against Barack Obama” by reading his article about how he screwed school children in Chicago here:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2E1MTFkZTVjZTlkOTBiYWFlYWUyM2RjYTRjNjhkMmM=

Aug 15, 2008 - 10:36 am 160. Phyllis:

The Corsi book is just another attempt by the Right Wing to torpedo a democratic candidate by “slinging mud” rather than using legitimate arguments. It is full of lies and innuendos, and only reached the “best seller” list because it was purchased in bulk by pre-determined radical Right Wing organizations. BUNK!!

Aug 15, 2008 - 10:52 am 161. Phyllis:

That’s because you don’t like it. It doesn’t agree with your point of view. Well, at least you are consistent with your distorted, UNDEMOCRATIC methods. That’s the only logic I can give you credit for.

Aug 15, 2008 - 10:55 am 162. Javelin:

Would it interest you scandal and insult level thinkers to know that Mr. Corsi also endorses the controlled demolition, inside job 9/11 truther theories. Or do you love him so much cause he attacks Obama that you are willing to give him a free pass?

Aug 15, 2008 - 12:44 pm 163. ugly kid joe:

James Anila:
“…Try stealing this one, boys, and there will be blood.”

Look forward to it…can you email your address, I’ll be right over.

Aug 15, 2008 - 12:50 pm 164. Nick in Virginia:

Questioning Obama’s “affiliations” with people like Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Khalidi, etc. is not a case of “guilt by association”. It is a legitimate attempt to determine what Obama really believes. It should be disturbing to anyone that a presidential candidate is affiliated with so many people who hold the country in contempt.

Liberals/democrats who like Obama can dismiss his affiliations if they wish (but they do so at their own peril). But the annoying part is that they also question the motives of the people pursuing the importance of the “miscreants” in Obama’s life and development.

The libs are desparate to get some type of “minority” (black, female, whatever) into the White House so they can brag that their philosophy is so “superior”. The fact that they chose Obama tells me that they really did not like Hillary, and quickly jumped ship to Obama when it looked like he was viable (and the only thing that makes him viable is what Biden said: he is articulate, presentable, “clean”, etc.). But as time goes on, more people are realizing what an empty suit he really is.

Don’t let the libs lay some guilt trip on you, and vote for Obama because you don’t want to feel like you are a racist. Vote against Obama because (a) he is not qualified and (b) he would be a disaster for this country. And if you are a lib who really wants a viable “minority” candidate, think about the damage a poor minority president would do to the minority cause - people would say “I voted for a black man and he was totally incompetent, it will be a cold day in Hell before I vote for another minority”. Things would be set back 30 or 40 years, easily.

Aug 15, 2008 - 2:50 pm 165. Orion:

We seem to keep fighting the last war. Still, some points:

- John Kerry’s first ‘tour’ in Vietnam was as an engineering officer aboard a warship. So far as we know it never fired a shot during the time it patrolled the coast.

- Kerry volunteered for Swift Boat duty. However between the time he was approved and the time he reported for duty the Swift boats were reassigned from coastal patrol to (much more hazardous) river patrol duty. He lasted 4 months which was only a fraction of the normal tour.

- His purple hearts were for minor wounds and there’s no record of anyone else in theater getting a “3 hearts and you’re OUT!” pass. Normally the “million dollar wound” was just that; something so traumatic that the decoration followed you back to the states and was awarded there, if at all.

These are the salient facts about Kerry’s service in Vietnam, undisputed by anyone. if he had an (R) after his name instead of a (D) the lefting moonbats would have ripped him apart. Instead he was the nearest thing to a war hero they had so they swallowed their pride and kissed his feet.

In 2008 they’ve done exactly the same thing. Obama is an empty suit with minimal qualifications for the White House (he’s over 35 and a natural-born citizen - we think) but he’s all they’ve got to work with so they’re giving him 110%. If the tables were turned and they had McCain and we had Obama they’d get down on their knees and thank God every day for their good fortune

Even the atheists.

Aug 15, 2008 - 3:12 pm 166. Sandra M:

Have any of you ever gone to the website Fight The Smears? It’s as thin as Obama. He rebuts nitpicky errors.

And that 41 page document. It again merely nibbles at stuff no one cares about such as a mistake as to Obama’s wedding date. Corsi suggested today that such errors wouldn’t happen if Obama released his primary documents.

If the press covered the shoddy, ill-maintained housing that Obama and Tony Rezko built the Obamessiah would probably lose a lot of votes, since many members of the black underclass are familiar with the worst of corruption ridden public housing.

And it doesn’t matter to me that Obama can recite the Muslim call to prayer in Arabic (Kristof NYT) what matters to me is his close relationship with his East German-educated cousin, Raila Odinga, who Obama campaigned for in Kenya in 2006 (and called often during the New Hampshire primary). Odinga lost the election and turned to mob violence. Among other atrocities, he killed 50 Black Christians by herding them into a Pentecostal church and setting it ablaze. Obama prevailed upon Secretary of State Rice to allow “power-sharing” by Odinga, and he is now Prime Minister. Kenya is 85% Christian. Odinga promised the 15% Muslim minority that if elected he would institute sharia law.

I have wonderful Muslim neighbors. “Lapsed” Muslims, the best kind.

Aug 15, 2008 - 3:41 pm 167. msrco:

Donna,
Re:
Try stealing this one, boys, and there will be blood.

You’re so right–who is he kidding? Not only do we have all the guns, all they can do is stab us with tire pressure gauges and throw rocks (like girls).

Aug 15, 2008 - 4:11 pm 168. Socrates:

“has written a new book about Barack Hussein Obama (yes, I know I am not supposed to mention his middle name, but I am going to anyway)”

Wow - you’re just so BRAVE. So COURAGEOUS.

Aug 15, 2008 - 4:16 pm 169. Sandra M:

Has anyone read THE CASE AGAINST BARACK OBAMA by David Freddoso. So far, all the Dem firepower seems to be directed to smearing Jerome Corsi.

Also, after getting the brilliant idea of Fred Thompson for Veep, terrifically persuasive writer, debater and a frown and 6.4 frame which may give Vladimir pause and, of course, the same “we can’t assassinate the Prez, we’ll get someone worse” problem for the left that protected Bush. I started thinking of a perfect administration.

VP Fred Thompson
Secretary of Defense Dennis Hunter
Secretary of State John Bolton
Secretary of the Treasury Paulson stays
Press Secretary John Kasich
or put him in charge of the budget. He’s the only guy who makes budget matters fun because of his passion.
Secretary of Education, the return of Bill Bennett

Newt Gingrich is a terrific idea man. How about putting him in charge of dismantling our UN operation in favor of a pro-Western alliance. Invite all the ambassadors from dictatorships to return home. Repaint the UN. and make it a pro-western democracy place only.

Other suggestions?

Aug 15, 2008 - 5:29 pm 170. Maura:

Sandra, I like your ‘perfect administration’ and agree that Newt should be in a very active role in the new administration. Great idea about the useless UN.

Haven’t read Freddoso’s book but heard him interviewed by Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air. I’ll bet the book is terrific. The leftist/socialist-leaners just do have their fits, don’t they?

Rvastar, your ‘book review’ is GREAT! ( 14th @ 7:02 AM) I’m gonna be quoting you on that one .:)

Aug 15, 2008 - 6:23 pm 171. Steve J.:

GB writes ” God makes it very clear that giving has to come from the heart and not forced by governments to use for less than Godly purposes.”

He most certainly did NOT make that clear. The Jubilees in the OT were MANDATORY, not optional.

Aug 15, 2008 - 6:38 pm 172. Steve J.:

Sandra M. writes “And that 41 page document. It again merely nibbles at stuff no one cares about such as a mistake as to Obama’s wedding date. Corsi suggested today that such errors wouldn’t happen if Obama released his primary documents.”

Corsi did even read Obama’s books.

Aug 15, 2008 - 6:42 pm 173. Sandra M:

Brian said:
Come election time, people will ask themselves are we better off now after 7 years of Republican Rule?

I hope the Repubs ask:

ARE YOU BETTER OFF AFTER TWO YEARS OF DEMOCRATIC CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE?

And then show the rise in fuel and food prices on their watch. Their refusal to allow a vote on drilling for oil off our shores and in Alaska. No. to coal. No to nuclear power. No to everything except corn-based ethanol which is causing hunger throughout much of the third world and sending meat prices sky-high and yes on wind, whose ceramic propellers manufactured in India, keep breaking.

Quote Pelosi on the conservation benefits of high gas prices. Add up how much she spends to jet home on weekends in that humongous plane she demanded, much bigger than Speaker Hastert’s because she didn’t want to have to stop for refueling.

Quote Gore’s lectures to us and then show that humongous private plane, mansion, boat etc. And how much electricity he uses for each and compare to what we, the non-elite spend on fuel.

The Dems are going to lose this election because of their eilitism, arrogance and hypocrisy. And their presidential candidate is a poster child for all three.

Aug 15, 2008 - 9:03 pm 174. Yun:

I don’t understand why it has to be all or nothing. Why can’t a book’s overall thesis (that Obama is a loony radical falsely trying to pass himself off as a moderate) be correct but the book still be shoddily written? Lord knows there are enough tenured professors who are excellent researchers and academics who nonetheless jump to the wrong conclusions (like concluding that an anti-Christian, socialist, vegetarian, art lover was a man of the right) with alarming regularity, I see no reason why the opposite can’t be true as well.

Aug 16, 2008 - 5:21 am 175. BC:

Corsi is a poster child for everything that’s wrong with the Republican party these days. It use to be not so long ago that Republicans were for a strong military, less taxes and regulation and that was about it. It was left to the Democrats to deal with moving social and health issues forward. Nowadays the Republican party seems to more the party of bigots, anti-science cranks, religious nutcases, the Big Lie, the Bigger Lie, greed, wholesale political and corporate corruption, and just, well, being very, very bad people overall. Democrats have their own problems along these lines but they are at a mom & pop shop level compared the Exxon/Wal-Martian size of what the Republicans have been doing.

Aug 16, 2008 - 6:20 am 176. GB:

Steve J,

Biblically, there can be a counter-argument for everything you put forward.

When the Israelites built the Tabernacle, Genesis 35: “This is what the LORD has commanded: Everyone WHO IS WILLING is to bring the LORD an offering…….They withdrew from Moses’ presence ,and everyone WHO WAS WILLING AND WHOSE HEART MOVED HIM, came and brought an offering to the LORD… All the Israelite men and women WHO WERE WILLING brought to the LORD FREEWILL OFFERINGS for all the work the LORD commanded them to do. Genesis 36: Then Moses summoned …every skilled person whom the LORD had given ability and who WAS WILLING to come and do the work.”

I could go on and on. In the end, it’s about FREE WILL (and in the beginning, in the Garden). God doesn’t force people to give, because it’s empty if it’s forced. Governments should take a clue from God.

Conservatives and Christian conservatives understand this concept, and studies have shown thus, give far more to the poor. Just not through forced government policy (where money tends to disappear down a dark hole).

Aug 16, 2008 - 8:13 am 177. GB:

Correction: Reference was Exodus not Genesis.

Aug 16, 2008 - 9:44 am 178. Hal:

Thank God someone had the courage to bring all of this up. No one else (including Fox news) was willing to talk about all of the controversy surrounding Mr. Hussein. If it looks like a duck - SOUNDS like a duck and ACTS like a duck - well, I guess it IS a duck. Quack quack Hussein.

Aug 16, 2008 - 1:55 pm 179. compugor:

The article points out that the questions about Osama, I mean Obama are natural and legitimate irrespective of any book or critic with whatever background or agenda. And whatever its source, the light of truth shines to the benefit of all.

Now lets call a spade a spade. Butcrack Hussein is just not qualified to be POTUS, not even close. Even Juan McRino is a no-brainer preference. Only the most deluded and/or power-hungry partisan democrats and their bamboozled minions will not understand and accept this.

The rest of us (a significant majority I believe) may not vote enthusiastically for the republican in November but out of utmost necessity we will definitely vote NObama.

So face it all you leftocrat blogtards, your great black hope may have a lot of airheads swooning, but he is simply not electable in this country, not with his judgement (& lack thereof), his lies and pandering, the fact that he has no record of any achievement, and his racist/terrorist cronies, etc., etc. You would’ve been way better off with Hitlery as the nominee and Butcrack as the VP, primed for a POTUS run in 2016 by when he would at least have some experience to reference.

At least you can take heart that McRino may not turn a deaf ear toward the gullible warming gorons (if he still has a good ear at all that is :-).

Aug 16, 2008 - 10:41 pm 180. Rachel Peepers:

Sandra M.,

Love your writing style. The editors here should have you writing for PM.

Regards,
Rachel

Aug 16, 2008 - 11:04 pm 181. mtraven:

If Kimball ever had any hopes of being taken as a serious intellectual, he’s flushed them permanently down the crapper by endorsing this meretricious piece of trash. The reputation of his magazine goes down with it. The National Review is a joke too. I sort of wish there were some serious conservatives around — god knows the world needs all the intellectual diversity it can get — but all we get are buffoons without a shred of integrity, willing shills for whatever evil nonsense is dished out by the Republican spin machine.

I understand this doofus had a career as an art critic prior to becoming a stooge. Shame that whatever merit that work might have had is permanently and irrevocably tarnished.

Aug 16, 2008 - 11:16 pm 182. Never Yet Melted » New York Times Does Not Like New Corsi Book:

[...] Roger Kimball enjoys the New York Times’ dilemma on how best to suppress Jerome Corsi new book. [...]

Aug 17, 2008 - 5:39 am 183. RDP:

Ahh! The Messiah is crumbling, and his acolytes spit insults and invective at his detractors! Nothing left in the Left’s ammo boxes except impotent charges of “xenophobia,” “racism,” and bigotry.

The sound of their desperation is music to my ears! Here’s a bit more fuel for the fire: http://antiprotester.com/obamapalooza.htm

Aug 17, 2008 - 5:50 am 184. Socrates:

I think Mr. Kimball should be ashamed as to the nature of his “fans” here.

Lots of hate. Be proud, Mr. Kimball. Since when is it brave to be a bigot?

Aug 17, 2008 - 5:52 am 185. Little Samson:

Guys like William Ayers wouldn’t give Obama the time of day, if they weren’t of like mind.

Aug 17, 2008 - 4:10 pm 186. Little Samson:

I will not moderate a true statement!

Aug 17, 2008 - 4:12 pm 187. exDemocrat:

Barth,

isslam is not a religion….it’s a death cult.

carry on….

Aug 17, 2008 - 6:28 pm 188. Robert Shay:

Obama’s mother’s original Social Security Number Application

http://webofdeception.com/obamamother’sssapplication.html

Aug 18, 2008 - 7:17 am 189. GB:

RDP,

Your point was made instantly and beautifully by Socrates.

Aug 18, 2008 - 7:58 am 190. Michael:

Obama say’s how dare anyone question his being a patriot and actually charges McCain for questioning him on this… In fact McCain is and has only question Obama’s judgment.

There is so so much wrong with this candidate and none of it has to do with color. His affiliations are important, as is with any citizen in America. I tell my kid to stay away from drug dealers, dope, rough necks, bullies, etc… I raise them to support our constitution and I teach the the importance of individual liberties provided to them in our country and their benefits as compared to no other persons on planet earth.

I see little evidence that Obama supports individual rights, he is always speaking it terms of people as a whole versus a part — and there in lies the problem. We are not a nation of people to be ruled under the thumb of socialist or communist rules to provide what a few baboon minded politicians think is good for the majority of us.

Who we hang around is important, because it does define us to some extent. I would no more hang around a bank robber, than I would a preacher scream God Damn at the top of his lungs. I would no more socialize with a bomb toting activist, than I would a suicide bomber…

If I were visiting my troops in Iraq, I would stop in at the main hospitals and meet the guys and gals wounded serving my country. Nobody could ever convince me that was not a good idea, especially if I love the troop.

The most serious issue here is not OBAMA though in my opinion. It is the fact that we or at least many Americans are actually being brainwashed by how the media reports and often fails to report facts about candidate the media itself supports. And, — I’m not talking about conservative talk radio here — I’m talking mainstream networks and papers which dominate our lives. Wake up , use your brains, stop believing in all this garbage just because it’s printed in the NY Slime, doesn’t make it true!

Aug 20, 2008 - 4:50 pm 191. DEGUELLO:

The NY slimes continues its decline into political and cultural impotence.The time’s editors continue to confuse themselves with those hacks who wrote for Pravda.

Sep 3, 2008 - 8:30 am 192. Religion News, Blogs and More » - muslim religion belief:

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Sep 11, 2008 - 3:31 am 193. LobeLog.com » Blog Archive » Frank Gaffney Takes Off Into Never-Never-Land:

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