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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s 143 days, Hillary&#8217;s duty, and the politics of &#8220;experience&#8221; and &#8220;change&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: midauri</title>
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		<dc:creator>midauri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend just emailed this to me.  And since I have a BA in History/Political Science, I just can&#039;t help adding my two cents (albeit belatedly). 

The 143 days refers to days IN SESSION, which is not the same as time served as a Senator.  Senators actually do work between sessions.  They help resolve issues for their constituents, find out what problems are affecting their states, research issues, write legislation, try to convince other Senators to support legislation, etc etc.  And the US Senate is not the full extent of Obama&#039;s experience. 

Here&#039;s a quick bio: 

Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and received his J.D. from Harvard School of Law.  He was a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School before running for the state legislature.  He has spent 8 years as an Illinois State Senator and 3 years as a US Senator. 

Let&#039;s compare that to a few of our friends: 

George W. Bush - 

B.S from Yale, and M.B.A from Harvard.  Before he became the Governor of Texas, he worked for his family&#039;s oil business and then co-owned a major league baseball team.  His only additional political experience consisted of an unsuccessful campaign in 1978 for the US House.  He spent 6 years as Governor before running for President. 

Sarah Palin - 

B.S. in Communications/Journalism.  I&#039;m not sure where her degree is from because its described as follows: &quot;She enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester, transferring to North Idaho College and then to the University of Idaho. She attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term, then returned to the University of Idaho.&quot;    

Her political experience consists of the Wasilla City Council for 4 years, Mayor of Wasilla for 4 years, and two whole years as Governor of Alaska.  By the way, Wasilla has a population of about 5400 according to the 2000 US census.  The state of Alaska itself ranks 48th in total population.  So if McCain wins and happens to die in Office...I&#039;m moving to Canada. 

Ronald Regan - 

Graduated Eureka College in sociology and economics.  He was a Captain in the Army and President of the Screen Actors Guild. Before he became president, his political experience consisted of 9 years as Governor of California and an unsuccessful presidential campaign in 1976 (He was then elected in 1980). 

This one is my favorite:

Abraham Lincoln - 

Self-educated lawyer who only completed about 18 months of formal schooling in his entire life.  He spent 8 years in the Illinois legislature, and ran unsuccessfully to become a US Senator before being nominated as the Republican Candidate for President in 1860 (He won).  


So personally I think that Obama&#039;s experience is at very least comparable to others who have become President.  

And as a sidenote, military experience is neither a necessity for becoming a good President even in times of war, nor a guarantee that someone will make a good president at any time.  If you don&#039;t believe me, I urge you to look up Franklin D. Roosevelt and Ulysees Grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend just emailed this to me.  And since I have a BA in History/Political Science, I just can&#8217;t help adding my two cents (albeit belatedly). </p>
<p>The 143 days refers to days IN SESSION, which is not the same as time served as a Senator.  Senators actually do work between sessions.  They help resolve issues for their constituents, find out what problems are affecting their states, research issues, write legislation, try to convince other Senators to support legislation, etc etc.  And the US Senate is not the full extent of Obama&#8217;s experience. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quick bio: </p>
<p>Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and received his J.D. from Harvard School of Law.  He was a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School before running for the state legislature.  He has spent 8 years as an Illinois State Senator and 3 years as a US Senator. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s compare that to a few of our friends: </p>
<p>George W. Bush &#8211; </p>
<p>B.S from Yale, and M.B.A from Harvard.  Before he became the Governor of Texas, he worked for his family&#8217;s oil business and then co-owned a major league baseball team.  His only additional political experience consisted of an unsuccessful campaign in 1978 for the US House.  He spent 6 years as Governor before running for President. </p>
<p>Sarah Palin &#8211; </p>
<p>B.S. in Communications/Journalism.  I&#8217;m not sure where her degree is from because its described as follows: &#8220;She enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester, transferring to North Idaho College and then to the University of Idaho. She attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term, then returned to the University of Idaho.&#8221;    </p>
<p>Her political experience consists of the Wasilla City Council for 4 years, Mayor of Wasilla for 4 years, and two whole years as Governor of Alaska.  By the way, Wasilla has a population of about 5400 according to the 2000 US census.  The state of Alaska itself ranks 48th in total population.  So if McCain wins and happens to die in Office&#8230;I&#8217;m moving to Canada. </p>
<p>Ronald Regan &#8211; </p>
<p>Graduated Eureka College in sociology and economics.  He was a Captain in the Army and President of the Screen Actors Guild. Before he became president, his political experience consisted of 9 years as Governor of California and an unsuccessful presidential campaign in 1976 (He was then elected in 1980). </p>
<p>This one is my favorite:</p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln &#8211; </p>
<p>Self-educated lawyer who only completed about 18 months of formal schooling in his entire life.  He spent 8 years in the Illinois legislature, and ran unsuccessfully to become a US Senator before being nominated as the Republican Candidate for President in 1860 (He won).  </p>
<p>So personally I think that Obama&#8217;s experience is at very least comparable to others who have become President.  </p>
<p>And as a sidenote, military experience is neither a necessity for becoming a good President even in times of war, nor a guarantee that someone will make a good president at any time.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, I urge you to look up Franklin D. Roosevelt and Ulysees Grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger&#8217;s Rules &#187; Obama: a modern Gatsby? (Or, can you connect the dots?)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger&#8217;s Rules &#187; Obama: a modern Gatsby? (Or, can you connect the dots?)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1990s. How closely? That&#8217;s a dot that Obama&#8217;s people don&#8217;t want you to discover. Obama said Ayers was &#8220;just some guy in my neighborhood.&#8221; In fact, Obama&#8217;s political life was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1990s. How closely? That&#8217;s a dot that Obama&#8217;s people don&#8217;t want you to discover. Obama said Ayers was &#8220;just some guy in my neighborhood.&#8221; In fact, Obama&#8217;s political life was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dragonfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>dragonfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First  off, Mr Kimball.  Do you feel you have such a moral obligation to give space to the mentally impaired that you must post their every bilious, irrelevant rant?   And every response to those rants, which just feeds their warped egos?  Surely no reasonable reader (which I believe is your target audience) will be offended, and the rantor will be left to stew in his own bile, instead of feeling a tingle down his leg to see his trash in &quot;print&#039;.

As to your article: In the old days of our Republic, flowery socialist ranting of the Obama variety was dismissed as &quot;Pie in the sky, bye and bye, when you die&quot; and &quot;Chicken in every pot&quot;.  Obama hasn&#039;t moved one inch from that vacuity, and the suckers are still enthralled.

His theme song should be &quot;The big rock candy mountain&quot;.  Maybe somebody (hopefully Mark Steyn) can do a parody of it for use in McCain&#039;s ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First  off, Mr Kimball.  Do you feel you have such a moral obligation to give space to the mentally impaired that you must post their every bilious, irrelevant rant?   And every response to those rants, which just feeds their warped egos?  Surely no reasonable reader (which I believe is your target audience) will be offended, and the rantor will be left to stew in his own bile, instead of feeling a tingle down his leg to see his trash in &#8220;print&#8217;.</p>
<p>As to your article: In the old days of our Republic, flowery socialist ranting of the Obama variety was dismissed as &#8220;Pie in the sky, bye and bye, when you die&#8221; and &#8220;Chicken in every pot&#8221;.  Obama hasn&#8217;t moved one inch from that vacuity, and the suckers are still enthralled.</p>
<p>His theme song should be &#8220;The big rock candy mountain&#8221;.  Maybe somebody (hopefully Mark Steyn) can do a parody of it for use in McCain&#8217;s ads.</p>
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		<title>By: William M. Briggs, Statistician &#187; Comparing McCain&#8217;s and Obama&#8217;s experience</title>
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		<dc:creator>William M. Briggs, Statistician &#187; Comparing McCain&#8217;s and Obama&#8217;s experience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barack Obama served 143 days in the senate and no days in the military before he began his run for president. John McCain served 26 years in the senate and 22 years in the military before he began his campaign. (These numbers are from Roger Kimball&#8217;s blog.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Barack Obama served 143 days in the senate and no days in the military before he began his run for president. John McCain served 26 years in the senate and 22 years in the military before he began his campaign. (These numbers are from Roger Kimball&#8217;s blog.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: William Briggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Briggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to sound like a complete pedant, but you have to compare experience between Obama and McCain, you must adjust for opportunity, that is, age.  

And we should surely count the time Obama served in his state legislature.  Doing all that (I did a more extensive calculation at my site) still gives McCain more than twice as much experience as Obama.

However, McCain never had the opportunity that Obama had when he had the chance to learn from Ayers how to be promoted to a &lt;em&gt;distinguished&lt;/em&gt; professor U Chicago after calling for the killing of his fellow Americans.  Surely, that task takes extraordinary political skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to sound like a complete pedant, but you have to compare experience between Obama and McCain, you must adjust for opportunity, that is, age.  </p>
<p>And we should surely count the time Obama served in his state legislature.  Doing all that (I did a more extensive calculation at my site) still gives McCain more than twice as much experience as Obama.</p>
<p>However, McCain never had the opportunity that Obama had when he had the chance to learn from Ayers how to be promoted to a <em>distinguished</em> professor U Chicago after calling for the killing of his fellow Americans.  Surely, that task takes extraordinary political skills.</p>
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		<title>By: vnjagvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnjagvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s own up Roger.  BHO at least has a few more days in the Senate than Kerry had in Vietnam;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s own up Roger.  BHO at least has a few more days in the Senate than Kerry had in Vietnam;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discernment and maturity, Lefroy?  Isn&#039;t yours the intellectual movement that brought us Dan Quayle?

It&#039;s a fact that Roger Kimball is a master of the ad hominem attack, bringing up Obama&#039;s middle name, for example, as a reason to suspect the man.

And Terry, I think it&#039;s right on point to push back on the question of associations, if folks like Roger Kimball think they should decide presidential elections.  So, Roger and Co., what is your candidate doing with insane Nixon-era apparatchiks and mob bosses?  More than sitting on a board, I&#039;d say.  But then, that&#039;s not, in my view, a good reason to vote against John McCain.  I&#039;d be open to voting for him, in fact, if his two major legislative 
&quot;accomplishments&quot; (McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy) weren&#039;t such messes that they forced him to alter or abandon the positions he advocated while stumping for the original legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discernment and maturity, Lefroy?  Isn&#8217;t yours the intellectual movement that brought us Dan Quayle?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fact that Roger Kimball is a master of the ad hominem attack, bringing up Obama&#8217;s middle name, for example, as a reason to suspect the man.</p>
<p>And Terry, I think it&#8217;s right on point to push back on the question of associations, if folks like Roger Kimball think they should decide presidential elections.  So, Roger and Co., what is your candidate doing with insane Nixon-era apparatchiks and mob bosses?  More than sitting on a board, I&#8217;d say.  But then, that&#8217;s not, in my view, a good reason to vote against John McCain.  I&#8217;d be open to voting for him, in fact, if his two major legislative<br />
&#8220;accomplishments&#8221; (McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy) weren&#8217;t such messes that they forced him to alter or abandon the positions he advocated while stumping for the original legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, as always, Roger (a new favorite of mine.)

re: Jay, I really begin to wonder if these stupid, off-the-point responses,(as often heard on conservative talk radio) are really just rightwingers trying to make leftists sound even more clueless than they naturally are.

 (Maybe someone could fund a study on it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, as always, Roger (a new favorite of mine.)</p>
<p>re: Jay, I really begin to wonder if these stupid, off-the-point responses,(as often heard on conservative talk radio) are really just rightwingers trying to make leftists sound even more clueless than they naturally are.</p>
<p> (Maybe someone could fund a study on it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lefroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lefroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay:

&quot;Oh, and by the way: aren’t you a bit old to be wearing a bowtie?

I gave that up after my sixth birthday party, the one with clowns and balloons.&quot;

That&#039;s the thing about the left. They are, by and large, so much quicker with the truly infantile ad hominem attack than conservatives.

It says something about the discernment and maturity of the left in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, and by the way: aren’t you a bit old to be wearing a bowtie?</p>
<p>I gave that up after my sixth birthday party, the one with clowns and balloons.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing about the left. They are, by and large, so much quicker with the truly infantile ad hominem attack than conservatives.</p>
<p>It says something about the discernment and maturity of the left in general.</p>
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		<title>By: srlucado</title>
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		<dc:creator>srlucado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But being dutiful is not exactly the same as being wildly enthusiastic.&quot;

Or honest.  Let&#039;s face it, &quot;honest&quot; and &quot;Clinton&quot; in the same sentence makes a clanging noise.  

Well, once Obama goes down in flames in the election, Hillary&#039;s biggest problem will be keeping her heels cool for another four years.

Maybe she can use the time to learn some economics.

Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But being dutiful is not exactly the same as being wildly enthusiastic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or honest.  Let&#8217;s face it, &#8220;honest&#8221; and &#8220;Clinton&#8221; in the same sentence makes a clanging noise.  </p>
<p>Well, once Obama goes down in flames in the election, Hillary&#8217;s biggest problem will be keeping her heels cool for another four years.</p>
<p>Maybe she can use the time to learn some economics.</p>
<p>Scott</p>
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