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		<title>By: Michel Zala</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/comment-page-2/#comment-7208</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel Zala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our lifetime we haven&#039;t seen a more disturbing example of what we call Demagogy. Saying to the people all the right things, while in fact pursuing an utterly different direction. If the people had in fact a source of unbiased information, if the people in fact knew, what this candidate in reality truly stands for, Obama would be 30 points behind and never in a million years be elected. The People are misled to such an ugly extent that we assume that this election may well be remembered in history as one of the biggest stealing of an election ever. 

If the people in fact knew: 

That Obama will raise taxes, directly and indirectly, hence their lives as well as the econmy will be drastically negatively impacted 

That his plans in fact would hamper the drive towards independence from foreign oil, as opposed to getting there witin 10 years 

That job generation in the US will be hampered by these tax hikes on businesses 

that the deficit will worsen because of higher spending and a huge government talking into prettymuch any of our private affairs 

that a full DEM controlled government will take us far to the left 

that his presidency would make an already volatile world even more volatile 

that under Obama we have a much higher chance for future military conflict 

that in fact our defense forces will get weakened 

that we would migrate towards a socialist system which has in Europe almost bancrupted many countries 

The American People would never even consider this man to become our next President. 

This is why I ask and implore you all to try to see through the cloud of marketing money, adverts and infomercials, the violins and sunsets, the tv evangelist hype. Don&#039;t look at the promises, people, look at the small print. Obama is N O T pro drilling or business, economy. Obama will N O T lower taxes, but in fact inbcrease the burden on you. Obama can not hastily withdraw from IRAQ without endangering our way of life. Obama is N O T pro nuclear power. Under Obama we will N O T see new jobs and a recovery. Obama is N O T pro free Trade which has generated the most wealth worldwide. Obama is N O T for strengthening our forces. Obama can N O T change Washington, but will in fact make the pit deeper and nastier. Obama will in fact spend us into an abyss and will N O T pay down the debth. 

Look at the facts. Consider the measures you take yourself, when finances get tight. The very same basic principles apply to the government and clearly Obama stands for the exact opposite - all you need to do is look at the meat, facts figures and evidence and forget the media, adverts and cloudy nonsense of a demagogue. 

I implore you all to vote McCain , as the consequences for us all will be dire, if Obama is elected. 

I still pray and hope that the American People are not stupid and vote substance over style. 

To the Obamaniacs I ask only : What has Obama done to deserve your trust? 
What leads you to believe his promises and speeches? His style or the actual track record? Don&#039;t you see that all his promises are not supported by his actual record in terms of voting? That most of his promises (Taxes, Drilling, Energy or IRAQ) are misleading and thathe will do exactly the opposite? 
If you forget for a moment all the talk - on what grounds, resume, personal history, track record, results, accomplishments, experience, qualifications do you base your decision upon to give the single most important job to someone who has not earned your trust the normal hard way? This is not a movie with a given happy ending. This is cold hard reality demanding amn unemotional hard assessment of the candidates. 

Don&#039;t you agree that we need a proven, tested leader now, not a president who may or may not be up to the task? Don&#039;t you see that you gamble an entire country&#039;s future upon someone nobody really knows, where he in fact stands?

This is not a time for gambling - 
it is time for playing it safe. 

God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our lifetime we haven&#8217;t seen a more disturbing example of what we call Demagogy. Saying to the people all the right things, while in fact pursuing an utterly different direction. If the people had in fact a source of unbiased information, if the people in fact knew, what this candidate in reality truly stands for, Obama would be 30 points behind and never in a million years be elected. The People are misled to such an ugly extent that we assume that this election may well be remembered in history as one of the biggest stealing of an election ever. </p>
<p>If the people in fact knew: </p>
<p>That Obama will raise taxes, directly and indirectly, hence their lives as well as the econmy will be drastically negatively impacted </p>
<p>That his plans in fact would hamper the drive towards independence from foreign oil, as opposed to getting there witin 10 years </p>
<p>That job generation in the US will be hampered by these tax hikes on businesses </p>
<p>that the deficit will worsen because of higher spending and a huge government talking into prettymuch any of our private affairs </p>
<p>that a full DEM controlled government will take us far to the left </p>
<p>that his presidency would make an already volatile world even more volatile </p>
<p>that under Obama we have a much higher chance for future military conflict </p>
<p>that in fact our defense forces will get weakened </p>
<p>that we would migrate towards a socialist system which has in Europe almost bancrupted many countries </p>
<p>The American People would never even consider this man to become our next President. </p>
<p>This is why I ask and implore you all to try to see through the cloud of marketing money, adverts and infomercials, the violins and sunsets, the tv evangelist hype. Don&#8217;t look at the promises, people, look at the small print. Obama is N O T pro drilling or business, economy. Obama will N O T lower taxes, but in fact inbcrease the burden on you. Obama can not hastily withdraw from IRAQ without endangering our way of life. Obama is N O T pro nuclear power. Under Obama we will N O T see new jobs and a recovery. Obama is N O T pro free Trade which has generated the most wealth worldwide. Obama is N O T for strengthening our forces. Obama can N O T change Washington, but will in fact make the pit deeper and nastier. Obama will in fact spend us into an abyss and will N O T pay down the debth. </p>
<p>Look at the facts. Consider the measures you take yourself, when finances get tight. The very same basic principles apply to the government and clearly Obama stands for the exact opposite &#8211; all you need to do is look at the meat, facts figures and evidence and forget the media, adverts and cloudy nonsense of a demagogue. </p>
<p>I implore you all to vote McCain , as the consequences for us all will be dire, if Obama is elected. </p>
<p>I still pray and hope that the American People are not stupid and vote substance over style. </p>
<p>To the Obamaniacs I ask only : What has Obama done to deserve your trust?<br />
What leads you to believe his promises and speeches? His style or the actual track record? Don&#8217;t you see that all his promises are not supported by his actual record in terms of voting? That most of his promises (Taxes, Drilling, Energy or IRAQ) are misleading and thathe will do exactly the opposite?<br />
If you forget for a moment all the talk &#8211; on what grounds, resume, personal history, track record, results, accomplishments, experience, qualifications do you base your decision upon to give the single most important job to someone who has not earned your trust the normal hard way? This is not a movie with a given happy ending. This is cold hard reality demanding amn unemotional hard assessment of the candidates. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you agree that we need a proven, tested leader now, not a president who may or may not be up to the task? Don&#8217;t you see that you gamble an entire country&#8217;s future upon someone nobody really knows, where he in fact stands?</p>
<p>This is not a time for gambling &#8211;<br />
it is time for playing it safe. </p>
<p>God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Obama&#8217;s Pretense</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/comment-page-2/#comment-7022</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Obama&#8217;s Pretense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a more detailed piece, Roger Kimball finds &#8220;most depressing . . . is the extent to which [the whole Obama juggernaut] represents a return of bad...&#8220;  In listing the taxes Obama plans to raise, Kimball holds that &#8220;Obama plans to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a more detailed piece, Roger Kimball finds &#8220;most depressing . . . is the extent to which [the whole Obama juggernaut] represents a return of bad&#8230;&#8220;  In listing the taxes Obama plans to raise, Kimball holds that &#8220;Obama plans to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cmblake6</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmblake6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. I&#039;ve just written a short post at mine, linking back to here. This was a superb article, worthy of MUCH deep thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. I&#8217;ve just written a short post at mine, linking back to here. This was a superb article, worthy of MUCH deep thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Some simply never learn. &#171; Cmblake6&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/comment-page-2/#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator>Some simply never learn. &#171; Cmblake6&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some simply never&#160;learn.  30 10 2008   http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some simply never&nbsp;learn.  30 10 2008   <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/28/obama-and-the-eternal-return/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats all the talk about the 60&#039;s? In my opinion, a more relevant date to keep in mind is 1933.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats all the talk about the 60&#8217;s? In my opinion, a more relevant date to keep in mind is 1933.</p>
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		<title>By: noticer</title>
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		<dc:creator>noticer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... the IRS will be in the business of issuing as well as collecting checks, not just for refunds, as has been their practice, but as a means of redistributing your money to those that Obama thinks deserve it more.&quot;

What do you mean when you say: will be.

The IRS already is in the business of cutting welfare checks. It has been the entire time that Republicans have had control. Republicans helped to put the IRS into the check-writing business. If John McCain wins, Republicans would keep the IRS in the business of writing checks to people who pay no taxes.

So ... given this reality, which is better:

1) Lower checks by McCain
2) Larger checks by Obama

People are going to vote their interests, I suspect.

That&#039;s the trouble with Republicans. They don&#039;t want to stop the IRS writing checks to people who pay no taxes, they just want lower check amounts.

&quot;Lower Rebates For You&quot; is not a compelling electoral message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; the IRS will be in the business of issuing as well as collecting checks, not just for refunds, as has been their practice, but as a means of redistributing your money to those that Obama thinks deserve it more.&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you mean when you say: will be.</p>
<p>The IRS already is in the business of cutting welfare checks. It has been the entire time that Republicans have had control. Republicans helped to put the IRS into the check-writing business. If John McCain wins, Republicans would keep the IRS in the business of writing checks to people who pay no taxes.</p>
<p>So &#8230; given this reality, which is better:</p>
<p>1) Lower checks by McCain<br />
2) Larger checks by Obama</p>
<p>People are going to vote their interests, I suspect.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the trouble with Republicans. They don&#8217;t want to stop the IRS writing checks to people who pay no taxes, they just want lower check amounts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lower Rebates For You&#8221; is not a compelling electoral message.</p>
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		<title>By: nlcatter</title>
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		<dc:creator>nlcatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REDLINING was going on
 NOT because of someone ability to pay loan payments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REDLINING was going on<br />
 NOT because of someone ability to pay loan payments</p>
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		<title>By: Donna V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>56. Steve:  I&#039;m a younger boomer, and so I personally am not a good guide to the &#039;60&#039;s (I can tell you about the &#039;70&#039;s).  Here&#039;s what writer Joe Queenan has to say about the Fab &#039;60&#039;s in his book &quot;Balsamic Dreams: A Short But Self-Important History of the Baby Boomer Generation&quot; :

&quot;Let&#039;s get one thing straight about the &#039;60&#039;s:  It was not a simpler, more innocent time. It was a nightmare. Everyone hated each other. Everyone was shooting at one another.   Civil war was in the air.  The food was abysmal.  There were race riots in every major city.  Drugs ravaged the underclass. People got lynched. The only good thing about the &#039;60&#039;s were the music and the fact that it wasn&#039;t the &#039;70&#039;s. But even rock &#039;n&#039;roll was problematic, since people were always getting stuck with worthless tickets because Jim had been arrested for whipping out his c*ck or Janis had overdosed or Jimi had gagged on his own vomit.  I wouldn&#039;t live through the &#039;60&#039;s again if you paid me.  Which is pretty amazing because Baby Boomers will do just about anything if you pay them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>56. Steve:  I&#8217;m a younger boomer, and so I personally am not a good guide to the &#8217;60&#8217;s (I can tell you about the &#8217;70&#8217;s).  Here&#8217;s what writer Joe Queenan has to say about the Fab &#8217;60&#8217;s in his book &#8220;Balsamic Dreams: A Short But Self-Important History of the Baby Boomer Generation&#8221; :</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s get one thing straight about the &#8217;60&#8217;s:  It was not a simpler, more innocent time. It was a nightmare. Everyone hated each other. Everyone was shooting at one another.   Civil war was in the air.  The food was abysmal.  There were race riots in every major city.  Drugs ravaged the underclass. People got lynched. The only good thing about the &#8217;60&#8217;s were the music and the fact that it wasn&#8217;t the &#8217;70&#8217;s. But even rock &#8216;n&#8217;roll was problematic, since people were always getting stuck with worthless tickets because Jim had been arrested for whipping out his c*ck or Janis had overdosed or Jimi had gagged on his own vomit.  I wouldn&#8217;t live through the &#8217;60&#8217;s again if you paid me.  Which is pretty amazing because Baby Boomers will do just about anything if you pay them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mtraven</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimball has an amazing ability to combine wretched partisan hackery with intellectual pretentiousness.  Dropping half-assed mentions of Nietzsche or Berkeley into your emissions doesn&#039;t change their essentially worthless nature. Eternal return indeed -- there&#039;s nothing here but recycled wingnut talking points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimball has an amazing ability to combine wretched partisan hackery with intellectual pretentiousness.  Dropping half-assed mentions of Nietzsche or Berkeley into your emissions doesn&#8217;t change their essentially worthless nature. Eternal return indeed &#8212; there&#8217;s nothing here but recycled wingnut talking points.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Lonie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Lonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama proposes to buy your votes with a paltry bribe, paid with money ripped from the pockets of a minority of your fellow citizens.  Is that the way you see yourselves as citizens, selling your vote to the highest bidder?  And what does that tell you about Obama and the Dems?  They hold the American citizen in the utmost contempt, as osmeone who will vote as directed for the promise of a bribe.  I find this insulting, myself.

You will be amazed at how many of you with quite modest annual incomes turn out to be among &quot;the rich&quot; that Obama and the Dems will tax into poverty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama proposes to buy your votes with a paltry bribe, paid with money ripped from the pockets of a minority of your fellow citizens.  Is that the way you see yourselves as citizens, selling your vote to the highest bidder?  And what does that tell you about Obama and the Dems?  They hold the American citizen in the utmost contempt, as osmeone who will vote as directed for the promise of a bribe.  I find this insulting, myself.</p>
<p>You will be amazed at how many of you with quite modest annual incomes turn out to be among &#8220;the rich&#8221; that Obama and the Dems will tax into poverty.</p>
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