[UPDATE: Alas, the story about Michelle Obama's taste in champagne and caviar turns out not to be true: see here. I regret the mistake. I also take this occasion to correct a couple of typos readers have graciously called my attention to.]
I know, I know: Michelle Obama has placed a large order for Bolly, Iranian caviar, and lobster to be delivered to the servants’ entrance on January 20, but she’ll have plenty of time to redirect the order. Will she need to? Not if you ask Nancy Pelosi, most pollsters, anyone remotely affiliated with The New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, etc., etc. It’s not just the conventional wisdom, it’s the weight of the Zeitgeist: Obama must win, indeed, if you read the script, he already has won. The whole tedious election thing is really just a formality, a public ratification of a reality that has already been achieved by acclamation.
Maybe so, maybe so. Obamamania is a more powerful hallucinogen than I’d reckoned on. I once compared it to Beatlemania, but it affects middle-aged men (witness Chris Matthews and his leg) as well as pubescent females. A few months ago, Mark Steyn admitted that whenever he heard an Obama speech, he startedto giggle. I know how he felt. The combination of earnest presentation and utter vacuousness is amusing, like an precocious eight-year-old dressed in a suit and tie pretending to give a speech. (”Obama,” Thomas Sowell recently observed, “has the kind of cocksure confidence that can only be achieved by not achieving anything else.”)
I stopped giggling some time ago, not because I think Obama is any less preposterous, but because I saw that this was a case in which–history is full of melancholy examples–the preposterous was colluding with the the rough currents of naked political power. The Chicago machine politics out of which Obama rose to prominence. The radical, violence-saturated ideas of Obama’s colleague Bill “the bomber” Ayers. The equally radical racialist ideas of Rev. Jeremiah “God-damn America” Wright, in which Obama and his wife were steeped for more than 20 years. The influence of organizations like ACORN, which notoriously specializes in voter fraud and yet still enjoys public funding.
Such things made me realize that Obama’s preposterousness was nevertheless a worrisomely effective political force. Will he prevail tomorrow? Against the odds, I continue to have my doubts. Why? Various commentators have enumerated some reasons. John Podhoretz, for example, provided ten plausible reasons for thinking McCain might win. And there are all the little hints, cracks, adumbrations, and anomalies in the polls. Team Obama is braying publicly. Privately, I suspect, they are concerned.
They should be. Yes, they might win. Having vastly outspent McCain–in some key states the ratio was reported to be something like 20-1 in television ads–and (let us acknowledge) having also smoothly outcampaigned McCain, Obama has reason to feel confident.
Nevertheless, I continue to think McCain can pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Why? Not because of any complex statistical alchemy but for the simple old fashioned reason that I do not believe the instinct for self-preservation has been entirely bred out of the American electorate.
I understand that larger and larger swaths of America are turning purple if not blue as affluence coupled with tertiary education and cultural relativism transform more and more people into latte-drinking, NPR-listening, global-warming hysterics who regard Karl Rove as an evil genius and Sarah Palin as an anencephalic breeding machine on skis.
I understand that. Even so, the current financial meltdown (and whose fault was that, Barney Frank?), like the prospect of hanging in a fortnight, has done wonders to concentrate the mind. The world, many people are beginning to realize once again, is a dangerous and unpredictable place. Bad things can happen. And in the great existential lottery that assigns everyone his chit, to be born an American–black or white, rich or poor–is to have pulled a very enviable number indeed.
I think a lot of people understand that, even though they may not wish to mention it at their Obama rally or while signing a “U.S.-Out-of-Guantanamo” petition. A lot of them get a little thrill proclaiming their solidarity with Obama–”Hey, I’m voting against the awful legacy of slavery by helping to elect the first black candidate in history!” Never mind that Obama, the child of a Kenyan father an a white American woman, has no more to do with the “legacy of slavery” than does Barbra Streisand–it’s the symbol of the thing! Obama looks the part, and he does so (as Joe Biden observed before he became the pick for VP) in a way that is “clean and articulate,” i.e. not scary.
Of course, there are many, many people who are die-hard Obama supporters. But on the other side are not just knuckle-dragging right-wing throwbacks like me. There are also, I suspect, many, many people who worry about Obama’s offhand comment to Joe the Plumber about “spreading the wealth around.” When the shouts of Change! Yes We Can! Change! are not ringing in their ears, they wonder about politicians setting an arbitrary limit to individuals’ prosperity and then using the awesome mechanism of state power to prevent them from rising higher.
Despite Obama’s reassurances about a tax-cut for the little guy, they worry when a 2001 interview surfaces and Obama can be heard criticizing the “essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution” regarding things like “the redistribution of wealth.” If Obama wants to remove such “essential constraints,” can he in good faith place his hand on the Bible and swear to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States”?
Judges must swear to administer the law “without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the rich.” But Obama is on record saying he thinks judges should empathize with and give preference to the disadvantaged. In an Obama administration, we’ll have to start chipping off the blindfolds from the figure of Justice that adorns so many court houses. I think that will give many people pause.
Americans who worry as much about energy costs as they do about their carbon foot-print will also be given pause by Obama’s promise–recorded in an interview last January, but only recently released–to “bankrupt” the coal industry with greenhouse gas taxes if they dare to build any more coal-fired plants. How is that playing, I wonder, in Pennsylvania?
Many Americans, I say, look around at the world at large and they worry. They cast an anxious eye on a newly rampant, nuclear-armed but also imploding Russia. When Russian invaded Georgia this summer, John McCain instantly condemned the act. Obama–what did he do? He began by saying there was fault on both sides and they recommended turning the problem over to the U.N.
But Russia isn’t the only international problem. There is Venezuela, for example. Hugo Chavez has made no secret of his ambition to topple “the American empire“. There is Iran, with its nuclear ambitions and wild anti-Israel rhetoric, there is Islamic terrorism. There is a long and growing list.
Many Americans will be thinking about such contingencies and asking themselves: Whom would I pick in a crisis? In the privacy of the voting booth, I suspect many people–even, perhaps, some who sport an Obama button–will ponder such questions and conclude that Obama makes a great celebrity but is just too big a gamble to entrust with the future of our country.
The instinct for self-preservation is a simple, primitive force, difficult to eradicate or even blunt. We’ll see tomorrow to what extent ACORN, moveon.org, and their allies have been able to supplant it with the lemming instinct.
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1. tonyr:Just saw on Riehl World that Joe the Plumber got some action with SNL cast member at the McCain afterparty. brings new meaning to “Grand Old Party!”
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:48 am 2. b4uno:http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/11/did-joe-the-plumber-service-an-snl-cast-member.html
I know when I voted, I didn’t fully understand, but after I voted, I realized that I had made a decision that didn’t support a strong America. When I voted, I realized I voted for someone who would “do it for me” where I don’t have to be responsible for myself. After I made that decision, I now know that I didn’t make a decision based on creating a strong America.
I want a candidate in office that will support me being an entrepreneur, which is what this country was founded on. This country is not about having the government being responsible for you, its about being an entrepreneur and having that self reliant spirit. And that was what this country was founded on. I don’t agree with everything McCain does, and how he campaigned, but he does know a little bit more about being an American and what it means to be an entrepreneur. And that is what this country needs right now, just a little bit more of that. So if you haven’t voted yet, vote for the candidate who will support us in being responsible for ourselves. This country does depend on it.
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:55 am 3. Mister Snitch!:Your caviar link died. Anyway, if the Dems manage to lose, it won’t be because of anything McCain did. It will only happen if the Dems manage to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:36 am 4. Mike:I hope you are right.
I would remind those of us who share Roger’s views that you must vote, if you already haven’t. If you don’t vote, you vote will not count.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:36 am 5. Lightnin' Hopkins:I hope you are right, Roger. Sometimes the 70’s are a great place to revisit (music, movies, etc.), but I wouldn’t want to live there.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:52 am 6. Mike_K:I hope you’re right but I fear that the American educational system has managed to obliterate self-preservation along with economics.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:52 am 7. Sandman:God, I pray your right. The truth is I am frightened. The damage that Obama acan and will do to our freedoms (gun rights, taxes, energy, faith etc..) makes me believe I may have to pick up a gun to defend my way of life in my own country.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:54 am 8. Nothere:S/B “bred”, not “breed”.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:58 am 9. David Thomson:I completely agree. It all depends on turnout. Supporters of John McCain and Sarah Plain must make sure they vote. My gut impression is that the undecideds are going to break for the GOP ticket—and that a sizable number of Democrats feel uneasy about Obama and will “forget” to vote. And if I’m wrong, we still want to narrow Obama’s margin of victory as much as possible. God help us if he feels emboldened by the vote totals.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:02 am 10. Snorri Godhi:“Nevertheless, I continue to think McCain can pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Why? [...] I do not believe the instinct for self-preservation has been entirely breed out of the American electorate.”
Apart from the spelling mistake (sorry to sound snotty), I completely agree. My guess (based on the above consideration as well as the polls) is that the probability of a McCain victory is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2. With such an estimate, I can’t be proven wrong whatever happens.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:04 am 11. Pierre Legrand:And lets not forget that in a dangerous world that Jerrold Nadler hit it right on the nose when he declared that Obama did not have the political courage to quit Reverend Wrights church. Or more to the point when Rep Boehner declared that Obama was a chickenshit for voting Present.
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Nov 3, 2008 - 9:08 am 12. BrianS:“The instinct for self-preservation is a simple, primitive force, difficult to eradicate or even blunt..”
Which is why Obama has taken to denouncing it – denouncing selfishness – in the last week of the campaign.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:18 am 13. apb:re: Obomber’s complaint about “essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution”
Seems to me that anyone with a belief in the Constitution should definitely vote against this clown. How in the world could any of us believe that Obomber will “uphold and defend” the Constitution when he’s pined to subvert it? Think of the possibilities of Obomber stacking the Supreme court with bench-legislators…
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:21 am 14. Tom Cartelli:It’s hard to know what hallucinogen Roger Kimball took during his halcyon days at Bennington College–when he looked and acted more like a Merry Prankster than Hilton Kramer’s hit-man–but something powerfully transformative has made him slavishly attached to the mendacity of his so-called positions. (I would say “convictions” but assume he’s too cynical to have any and too smart to believe the trash he spouts.) How about a new idea, Roger? Or would that make your enablers angry?
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:27 am 15. nlcatter:obama will win 311
as biden says mark my words
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:32 am 16. David Thomson:Some people–like myself–are not too thrilled about John McCain. These folks should instead vote against Barack Obama. They should cast their ballot our of fear of what the Democratic Party nominee will most likely do if he captures the White House. Indeed, fear should be your number one motivator!
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:48 am 17. mds:roger kimball is an excellent writer and a superb thinker who is – simply – wrong this time…the call to idealism frequently trumps the instinct for self-preservation …we see this in everything from the suicide bombers of fundamentalist islam to medal of honor winners to people who dash into burning buildings to save a child or a family….
….obama has done a brilliant job running a ‘cult of idealism’ campaign where the vast majority of people who will vote for him believe – not ‘think’ but ‘believe’ – his notion of idealism reflect and extends their own…obama’s idealism is the idealism of the internet bubble and the no-money-down ARM-mortgage housing bubble…it is the idealism of self-delusion and the pathetic – excuse me, – audacious hope that words speak louder than actions and that rhetoric is at the core of reality…
my biggest problem with obama is not his honeyed words or loathsome ‘friends’ but the unwillingness and inability of his most ardent supporters to answer a simple question – what has he done? what has he accomplished of value for others and with others that has sustained for more than an election cycle?
…the fact that there are few to no good answers to those questions forces me to conclude that, indeed, the lure of idealism has narcotized the instinct for self-preservation in this electorate
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:57 am 18. The Texas Pundit:I think nlcatter, that Obama may get 311, but it will not be because he won them, it will be because he bought them with fraudulent registrations and ads bought with illegal donations.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:04 am 19. SK:Mr. Kimball: I guess I’m being an Eeyore here, but I think Obama has it. I don’t think the self-preservation instinct will kick in as you suppose it will, because I think most Americans are rather complacent.
It’s fun to play at hating the war, when no one you know or are likely to know is in the armed forces. It’s fun to play at worry about being in want when you have a degree from a good college and a tenured position. It’s enjoyable to beat your breast in white guilt over America’s past sins of racism, from within your gated community.
And regarding terrorism: I am (I think rightly) horribly concerned about a retreat from the battle against Islamist aggression. Because I think we have something to lose, and that we can indeed lose it.
But I believe the Democrats have an almost charming, naive, even childlike confidence in America– that we can’t be shaken, that nothing can really harm us, and that we can take a break from history if we feel like it. So playing around with Senator Obama’s wacky ideas can’t hurt us, because America is essentially invincible. We can redistribute our wealth and not become a poor country. We can cap-and-trade ourselves to the point where industry leaves for greener pastures, and our kids will still be able to go to good schools. And we can afford to ignore international terrorists, focusing instead on the true enemies: our rethuglican neighbors.
So, no, self-preservation instincts will only be pinging if they believed that they need to protect themselves from imminent harm. No alarm bells are going off in the Democrat camp, I assure you.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:12 am 20. Robert Hurley:Sandman – You are not advocating armed rebellion if McCain looses, are you?
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:14 am 21. Predictions for the next 24 hours… | The Anchoress:[...] Kimball declares himself and says he thinks American’s instinct for self-preservation will move them to pull the levers for [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:33 am 22. One Fine Jay » The positive case for John McCain:[...] disturbing traits of being the most far-left politician to ever get a chance at the presidency. His pals and the obfuscation around them has signaled his dishonor and dishonesty. I have written enough against BHO that a recap would be a [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:47 am 23. john:Robert,
I can’t speak for Sandman, but you’re putting words in his mouth. I can tell you that, personally, I applied for my pistol permit a week ago. There was a line out the door and I was told it’s usually no line at all.
I had always planned to purchase a gun for self defense, but it had always been at the bottom of my todo list. I’ve read enough from Obama supporters in forums, comments and even national media stories (about blood in the streets if “The One” actually loses)to have moved my purchase to the top of my todo list. Better safe than sorry.
I called the Sheriff’s Dept this morning to inquire whether my permit to purchase was ready. They said try back tomorrow. They’ve received a overwhelming number of applications and are having trouble doing all the background checks in a timely manner. I’m glad they’re being thorough. I’ll be buying a shotgun tonight, just in case.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:48 am 24. fred lapides:1. to imply that B. Frank is responsible for the economic meltdown a decent example of your bias and wrongheadedness.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:50 am 25. Self-hating boomer:2. if you gave reasonable answers you might have an arguement but to say “American instinct of self-preservation” is not just silly but when the election is over and Obama wins (assuming that is the case) then it is our instinct for self preservation that has come into play to dump the GOP and McCain.
3. you would be hard pressed to find a campagin so poorly run as that run by McCain/Palin.
4. Assume McCain loses bigtime. Then the GOP and ists supporters are not going to examine what they did wrong but fix blame on (1) the liberal media (2) bush and not the GOP that followed him lockstep. (3) dumb voters…ah, I recall how my children always pointed to someone else or something else that was responsible for what they had done. or brought about.
The microcosm where this is playing out right now is in the coal mines of Appalachia, where the union bosses are telling the miners to vote 0bama, and the miners are talking to each other about 0bama’s plans to shut the coal industry down. I suspect that they’re going to ignore the union bosses and vote for self-preservation. If so, the rest of the country will do similarly.
My spidey sense says that McCain going to win comfortably (though not resoundingly), and the donx will fall well short of picking up a filibuster-proof majority in the senate.
And the coal miners of PA are going to sent Murtha packing.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:53 am 26. heather:Nadler’s idea that Obama couldn’t leave Wright’s church (6,000 members!) because it would have been an insult and therefore bad politics, doesn’t hold water: 20 years ago, Obama was a nothing, a nada. Moving onto another black congregation would not have been noticed back then. In my opinion, Michelle is the one who likes Wright’s ideas; and Obama just goes along to get along. Obama doesn’t believe in anything, except, perhaps, a deep anger at his own dark skin.
How’s that for distance psychotherapy? It is easy to do because there is so little known about Obama under stress, aside from a hissy fit or two…
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:57 am 27. David Thomson:“But I believe the Democrats have an almost charming, naive, even childlike confidence in America”
Your typical affluent Democrat was born well to do. They never in their entire life really worried about earning a living. Over sixty years ago Joseph Schumpeter warned that those of the next generation are likely to take the benefits of a capitalist society for granted. And yes, in their heart of hearts, America is invincible. They can’t consciously even imagine that the good times can possible end.
Please note the “Robert Hurley” poster. I have never met this particular individual, but I will bet that they were born and raised in very financially comfortable surroundings. These are truly the leaders of the Obama movement. In just about every instance throughout the world, revolutionary consciousness is a concept embraced by the sons and daughters of the privileged classes.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:59 am 28. Magic Dog:Roger, great job. I just love the Wingnut Lament genre!
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:09 am 29. Mwalimu Daudi:Thanks to ACORN and the MSM this election has been in the tank for Democrats for some time.
America – meet your version of Robert Mugabe.
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:26 am 30. mhw:Sadly, we don’t have a museum documenting the failures of collectivism or a media that understands this subject or an educational system that is intellectually honest enough to recognize this.
and
b…sh.t works.
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:39 am 31. ezra:you are an idiot, kimball
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:13 pm 32. BDelsol:I wish I had your faith in the rationality of the American public. Unfortunately, what I see is an unseriousness of people — whether it’s because of the celebrity-driven media, our prosperity and dominance we take for granted, or the indoctrination of leftist utopian thought from our educational system. Just as they demanded a newscast that looks like America (but don’t have the diversity of thought like America) I’m afraid they see no problem electing a stranger they know next to nothing about — as long as it makes them feel good about themselves.
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:14 pm 33. Pajamas Media » Why I’m Still Convinced McCain Will Prevail:[...] Read the entire post here. [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:26 pm 34. Truth First:We are living in a new era now. It is an era of hope, justice and peace. An era of social and economic justice. An era where the wicked are punished and the innocent are free from fear and injustice.
2008 marks the end of the Bush Regime and American Imperialism. A time known as BO or “Before Obama”. A terrible time of the sickness America inflicted upon the world.
Obama will heal the world of the wound known as America.
http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:36 pm 35. jerryofva:This election comes down to Dire Straits:
Obama: Money for nothin’ and the chicks are free
McCain: got to move those refrigerators
Where does the heart of America lie? Free lunch or hard work?
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:41 pm 36. Shef Rogers:Odd article. No evidence offered beyond some rather dated Spectator prose, the sort of blather that drove Bertie Wooster to flee many a drawing room.
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:42 pm 37. RE:I hope McCain wins.
But even if it does, I will still be furious with the GOP for their lack of a backbone and fecklessness.
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:52 pm 38. Robert Hurley:John – I suspect you are like the rest of the right wing nuts – all talk – you probably can’t even shoot straight and would be more of a danger to you family and neighbors than the government
Nov 3, 2008 - 12:59 pm 39. The Historian:MODERATE DEMOCRATS OWN THIS ELECTION
Who are all those undecided voters the day before the election and how will they vote? Answer:
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/moderate-democrates-own-this-election.html
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:04 pm 40. nick:I dont think acorn will affect more than 110 illegal votes
after 2000 election when GOP got benefit of 3000 votes its our turn
Ill take any news to make me feel better
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:04 pm 41. JimCap:Well, Roger, since you brought up the Beatles, we’ll try another Golden Oldie:
Imagine John McCain singing, “I’m a loser. I’m a loser. And I’m not what I appear to be.”
Written by another socialist America hater, John Lennon.
I may be a conservative, but I refuse to see the world through rose-colored glasses. Wake up and smell the coffee!
The only way to deal with bad news is to face it and not live in denial.
Anyone who really thinks McCain is going to pull this thing out should go put his money where his mouth is: I understand they’re paying $6 for every $1 you bet on McCain winning. And I don’t see many people taking those odds.
Roger? Are you so confident you’re willing to wager?
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:07 pm 42. Tree of Liberty:Obama should scare the hell out of ALL Americans.
He has promised to cause your power bill to skyrocket.
He has promised to tax the “obscene profits of the oil companies”, which will drive up the cost of gas.
He has promised to surrender in Iraq and thus surrendering the Middle East to al-Queda.
He has promised to cut funding on new weapons systems while cutting the size of the military by 25%.
If he becomes president, you can say goodbye to a free East Europe as Russia invades and takes over again.
By 2010 you will be paying $7/gal for gas, if you can find it, your power bill will have tripled, your taxes will be higher, if you have a job, and the world will be a much more dangerous place.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:07 pm 43. kevin c:sk if you THINK COMMUNISM CAN THURT EVEN AMERICA, I HAVE SOME VALUABLE LAND IN DETROIT(VALUABLE IN DETROIT?) TO SEE YOU. I ALSO HAVE A GREAT BUSINESS CLIMATE FOR YOU IN VENEZUELA, NEW JERSEY OR MICHIGAN ID LIKE TO OFFER YOU.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:07 pm 44. Roderick Reilly:I have no idea how Tomorrow (Tuesday) is going to turn out. All I know is, I’m voting McCain/Palin, and had made up my mind to vote McCain since it was clear he had the GOP nomination sewn up. I’m also voting straight GOP.
Just be steadfast my friends.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:18 pm 45. Saltherring:“Truth First” @ 34:
You’d better check with bin Laden and Putin before declaring your utopian paradise. They (and others) might consider tossing a grenade or two into your wet dream fantasies.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:21 pm 46. cedarford:This isn’t an election for Obama and all the things he has never done.
It is a repudiation vote for Republican betrayals of fiscal responsibility, smaller gov’t, avoiding unnecessary wars, and being the Party of the middle class. A repudiation for betraying Reagan’s 11th Commandment by Religious Right zealots of the Base who began blackballing Mormon and hispanic and pro-choice moderates on religious litmus tests.
A repudiation for squandering the 1994 Republican revolution in an orgy of corruption, pork, and special interests.
For recklessly administering Executive departments.
For a failed President and picking a hapless, frequently incoherent man who was loathed by many within the Party, who shared the failed President’s degree of mental sharpness, vision, and communication skills,
For picking a Fundie VP with huge knowledge holes – who scared off independents and white women.
For a “Base” that spent years saying that New England, all the Great Lake States, the West Coast, and half the South and Rocky Mountain states were “RINO” lands deserving of no support. And the Base would be better off if no heretic Mormon, squishy moderates Republicans had any offices outside the “pure” states. And it seems they get their wish….
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:24 pm 47. el polacko:the desire to go with ‘the winner’ trumps even self-preservation (i.e the myth of the lemmings).
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:27 pm 48. Professor Guvinoff:the media has promulgated what may, sadly,be a self-fulfilling prophecy : barack is The One.
I agree about the robustness of the preservation instinct, but I see another force at play:
It’s a kind of attenuated form of the preservation instinct, not the real thing against the threat of a real catastrophe, but the PC-induced conditionned reflex to the implicit threat of being accused of racism if you show any hesitancy in joining the music.
This powerful response to peer pressure may be reassuring to those who find comfort in it, but it hardly constitutes a dependable motivation to show up at the voting station to do one’s part in metamorphosing “Yes-we-can” into “Yes-we-did”.
On the other hand, the vigorous preservation instinct of those who recognize the real danger is a powerful motivation to go ahead and cast one’s vote.
I see the combined effect of these two forces leading to a McCain-Palin victory. This sort of thing is called an “upset”, but it won’t upset me too much…
If your eyes are opened, just go vote to do your part in overcoming the handicap of opposing fraud and prove the emptiness of the highly trumpeted prophecy that has been saturating the airwaves for so long.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:35 pm 49. MarkD:I’ve never skipped an election yet and there’s no reason to start now.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:42 pm 50. Re: Boldly Optimistic Predictions « Conservatives For McCain:[...] Roger Kimball’s prediction squares exactly with my sentiments–he has some serious doubts, but he wants to believe. [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:46 pm 51. Monday:Or, in other words…
…IF OBAMA “TAKES CARE” OF HIS FAMILY *T*H*I*S* WAY, IMAGINE HOW HE’LL TAKE CARE OF YOURS…:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5oGBOdWv8
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Nov 3, 2008 - 1:51 pm 52. Northern Light:+++++++ VOTE McCAIN / PALIN TOMORROW !!!++++++
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Look, I’d like McCain to win too. Not for the same reasons you guys support him, but because his election would be better for Canada than Obama’s would.
But while you guys seem to want to blame the MSM, ACORN, foreign money, and anything else you can think of, the simple fact is that Obama has run an excellent campaign.
John McCain and the GOP have not.
In fact, this seems like a reversal of the traditional American election. The Democratic Party has stayed on their message and been well-funded. The Republicans have stolen the Democrats title of “The gang who couldn’t shoot straight.”
If McCain loses tomorrow, don’t blame anyone but The Republican Party.
Nov 3, 2008 - 1:59 pm 53. Eric R.:The sad fact is that tomorrow, America will vote for the death of Democracy and a second Holocaust.
That’s not what it thinks it’s voting for. But that’s what it will get.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:00 pm 54. Sadly, No! » A Note On The Political Contest Shortly To Be Decided:[...] comes a less liberal-biased analysis by Roger Kimball. Above: A Bert in a world of Ernies Thoughts on the instinct of self-preservation or, Why I still, even now, believe John McCain will be… November 3rd, 2008 7:21 [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:03 pm 55. Michel Zala:I wish I could share the faith expressed in this article.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:11 pm 56. Michel Zala:1 Day before the Election it looks like a landslide win for Obama.
We are amazed how easy it was for Obama to keep the debate on a dimension of emotion and psychology far removed from cold hard facts and evidence. We are flabberghasted by the ease of the Obama team to ride an emotional tidalwave of disgust with Bush and fear because of the economy. How easy it was to link Bush to McCain and make it look, as if the GOP was responsible for all the pain we currently experience. Amazed by the fact how little the media or the people vetted this candidate, examined the cold hard facts and his qualifications. Evidently, if you have all the money and promise pretty much anything to anybody – that is sufficient to become US presiden?
It is a slap in the face to all hard working Americans, who have to earn credit the hard way with actions and not just words, have to undergo a thorough job interview for pretty much any job, have to prove that we are qualified to perform the function. Today, all you need to do is to be a charismatic speaker, be great at fundraising and deliver a ton of empty promises and you can buy the American Presidency?
Truly the American Dream. Racism is only, when the black candidate encounters a few rednecks. It is of course never Racism, as it is politically incorrect to say it out loud, when 90% of the blacks vote for a black candidate. It is of course not racism to call people who do not vote for you, white gun toting bible quoting, bitter ignorants. That 70% of the media enthusiastically endorse Obama, seems to not even register. Where is the fundamental sense for fairness? Why are we not punishing a candidate who is so evidently being favored by pretty much any standard? Why haven’t we all examined this man’s message with pragmatism and logic? How can a message, just because it is screamed at you from any corner and any media, be right? How come the American people haven’t looked closer and allow thus themselves to be misled to such a magnitude? Will the American People really have to first crash hard, before they wake up?
In the end – Obama should be my candidate too.
He says all the right things after all – doesn’t he?
He promises me lower taxes, healthcare, secure social security, more jobs, an energy policy which contains more drilling and nuclear power. He promises me a more modern military, he promises me to get out of two wars and to kill Bin Laden. He promises me to clean up Washington and to scrub government programs. he priomises me to unite the country and work in a bi-partisan manner. All he says – is just plain wonderful and I should enthusiastically embrace this charismatic and eloquent candidate.
Why don’t I? Why is there this deep lasting , nagging concern?
After all – All Obama promises are things I support.
Well – it boils down to looking closer, examining the “small print”, the track record, his history and associations. it boils down to the simple fact that that Obama’s promises are not backed up or supported by his actual background, resume or voting record.
Examining this candidate a bit closer, one comes to the realization that either his promises will or can not be kept or the record speaks to the diammetral opposite of what he has done in the past.
Here are the key areas I feel Obama is massivcely misleading the American People:
Obama is (as opposed to President Clinton) N O T a centrist or moderate as opposed to the PR rhetoric. His voting record is by far the most left of all the senators. Together with Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Kerry, Gore or Hillary Clinton, the result will be the single most leftist, socialist government in history, reigning filibuster proof without checks and any balances. The result will be a massive, pork barrel spending programs laden government with trillions of additional deficits.
Obama is N O T a bi-partisan legislator, as opposed to the marketing rethoric. Never has he stood against his own party or voted or co-sponored tohgether with Republicans.
Obama has N O legislative accomplishment, nor does he have any measurable results in his work as community organizer or state senator.
Obama has N O leadership experience – let alone Executive Leadership experience, apart from his “leading a grand campaign”.
Obama does N O T lower taxes on 95% of the people. It’s 90% of working people at a level of 100k househld income. In fact he will raise massivcely taxes (on businesses) to such an extent, that companies will either drastically lower their manpower, move out of the country and/or raise prices. These companies will be foced to layoffs, streamlining, putting off investments and expansion – Hence:
Obama will N O T create new jobs, but quite actually bring down our economy even further.
Obama does N O T have an intelligent, feasible energy plan. His 15 B fast tracking of alternative energy sources will throw us under the bus in the short and mid term. He is – again as opposed to his rethoric – N O T pro Drilling or Nuclear Power, hence again he will N O T create an economy boom and new jobs and pay down the debht fast and get us out from shifting 700B to the middle east and be abe to drwa back our presence in that conflict zone.
Obama is N O T pro small, efficient government and a spending freeze. He will drastically increase size and role of the government and hence draw us deeper into the abyss of the budget deficit.
He is N O T willing to commit to cut programs, put Gov on a budget, get more transpatrency on Pork laden Bills, as he himself profited from exactly those.
Obama can N O T withdraw from IRAQ. Since we for a long time remain dependent from the oil of that region, as his energy plan has a long long delay, we will be forced to continue to engage in these regions with a military presence and keep it stable. Hence – ironically again against his promises – under Obama we will experience more international volatility and chance for military conflict.
Obama is N O T a typical politician, growing out of a solid mainstream America.
He associated and surrounded himself with the single most controversial radical figures in recent history – something which would have brought down any normal candidate, but in his case seems to not penetrate the conscience of the American People.
- A guy who condemns America, accuses America to have created the Aids virus to eradicate the black man, a racial black liberation fanatic, Wright, was for 20 Years and 500 Sermons Obama’s spiritual advisor. 20 years !!!!!!!
- Criminals and radicals like Ayers, an unrepentent bomb terrorist, slumlords like Rezko, PLO spokes People like Chalidi, the Chicago swamp of corruption Obama grew out of – nothing seems to matter.
- Obama is being supported by IRAN, Hezbollah, Hamas. What is wrong with that picture?
And, finally – Obama will N O T modernize the defense forces – he will cut the budget by 25%, hence make us vulnerable and endanger us.
Combine all of the above with the fact that Obama will be tested by a designed international crisis according to Biden and an unemotional comparison of resumes and qualifications for the toughest job in the world, and you know, why we did not drink the Koolaid and will vote McCain.
Obama says and promises all the right things – but on close examination the fact presents itself that these promises are nothing but the empty speech of a Demagogue of truly global magnitude.
Maybe America and the World need to crash first. Maybe we need a completely left wing controlled government to be proven right. Like with a drug addict, some therapists believe that the addict has to hit bottom first, before a healing can take place. Maybe America needs to hit bottom hard in order to wake up from this “dream” or nightmare, as we see it. We love this country and hope that The American People prove to the world that we can not so easily be misled.
If the polls are right, Obama will get a landslide victory. All you Obamaniacs will get what they wished for. The hangover will be brutal and p-eople ike me will – mark my words – say : We told you so.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:14 pm 57. seguin:holy heck, did yall read truthfirst’s blog?
I hope that that’s tongue in cheek, because if it is, it’s hilarious.
Of course, if it isn’t, it’s even more hilarious.
So maybe I hope it’s real, even though that would DEFINITELY be an indication of severe stupid in America.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:27 pm 58. BC:I was just at an office b-day party with a bunch of very brainy, well, WELL read up, and excited women who are positively giddy at the possibility of what is essentially good finally triumphing over evil. I’m not saying McCain is evil, but he did throw his lot in with some very bad people, the same people who’ve helped make a nasty, monstrous muck up of things here and abroad the past several years.
Judging from most of the comments here, it would seem like a lot of you were too busy during those years playing video games, or day trading, or gardening, or hangin’ with the boys, or having wine parties with the girls, or raising kids to not question authority, and/or such to pay much attention to what’s going on or who’s been doing what, and instead just thought to pop in on some right wing blog sites to fill ‘er up with unmitigated nonsense.
I’ll make it simple: if you voted for Bush in the last election and are planning to vote for McCain tomorrow, you should admit to the harsh fact that you have no clue whatsoever about what’s going on, making you a bad and terrible voter. For the good of the country, you should really think long and hard about doing instead maybe hit a movie theater, do some shopping at Home Depot, get to that book you keep meaning to read, treat yourself to a nice burger and shake, and just whatever it takes to keep you from inflicting even more damage at the voting booth.
Seriously. Think about it….
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:27 pm 59. thegr8_1:Great post 51.
All undecideds and McCainiacs get off your @$$ tomorrow and stand in line however long it takes and vote for McCain-Palin. Our military is fighting so you have this right and you owe it to them to do what’s patriotic.
What’s NOT patriotic is paying more taxes but what is is voting for a government that will do what our founding fathers intended.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:46 pm 60. view from afar:Roderick Reilly is right, so is Re, vote republican to keep out Obama, than we can rediscuss the party basics, and deal with the pork barrelers in the Republican party afterwards. The pork barrels are in congress, the President can’t get laws propsed without someone’s help…let’s just remember to keep that clear in the elections that follow.I would also LOVE to see Pelosi fly back home, that would be the best icing on the cake :0
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:48 pm 61. catlady:I am leaning toward the fact that these Obamaites are so caught up in their idealism that they ignore their survival instincts. Kind’ve like lemmings, you know? Said before say it again – Wednesday I am getting a gun, a license to carry a concealed weapon, and turning into one of those bitter people who cling to their guns and their religion.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:52 pm 62. Abby:The Founding Fathers knew that this would happen; a foreign national comes in and tries to force out their Constitution. I am amazed at their forethought, but they were fighting a war and leaving England. They KNEW what to watch out for; too bad we don’t.
I have never voted GOP, but as a woman, I have learned how to watch for creeps who don’t respect me. Obama’s treatment of Joe the Plumber and Hillary are prime examples of narcissistic behavior by selfish, egotistical butt.
Notice how he stomps everyone who dares step up to him into the ground; that will be the American people if we don’t elect McCain.
I have never been afraid about an election but my entire family is frightened. I don’t know what Obama’s agenda is but it must be a humdinger. We were a good country while we lasted.
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:53 pm 63. nick:cedarford scores again!
only cowards who dont go to Iraq and fight are scared of a Obama presidency
Nov 3, 2008 - 2:57 pm 64. nick:abby you are a lying moron
lying is bad enought but when combined with your stupidity..
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:00 pm 65. Santa Fean:McCain is too old. Palin believes man walked with dinosaurs. Republicans have been hijacked by the far right wing nuts like sean/rush/billo and that is why they will lose. Also it seems most hijacked republicans believe ANYTHING said against Obama. Why not just admit to being racist? Too afraid as it is not “christian” eh?
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:00 pm 66. Reginald Perrin:All McCain has offered is fear — more fear of terrorists, fear that someone will take your money and give it to someone else, fear of change, fear of socialism (!), and fear of the “unknown” Obama. That fear is his theme is not surprising, as it worked very well for Republicans for a long time (along with mocking, as Mr. Kimball does, the “latte-drinking, NPR-listening” Americans as “not real”. What is surprising is that this theme no longer sells; I can tell it surprises the heck out of most Republicans. What you are offering, Mr. Kimball, is the hope that fear wins out, which you disguise as a so-called instinct of self-preservation. Personally, I hope and believe that the American people are tired of fear, and of political appeals to their worst natures. We will have to wait until Wedndesday morning to find out.
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:18 pm 67. John B:I’ve never been so upset about a political race.
McCain’s speed to the White House should be measured in “furlongs per fortnight”. McCain has been so wrapped up in the issue of not saying anything that might possibly be construed as racial that he has missed the boat on more than several occasions. Obama handed him everything he needed to win but he refused to make use of it.
I’m pretty sure I’m going to be disappointed on election day.
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:26 pm 68. Truth First:It is Obama’s destiny to be the first just and legitimate ruler of America.
http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:30 pm 69. Right Brain:After all the arguments it finally boils down to this:
Obama leads in 18 out of the 19 states with the largest recent declines in home prices, whereas McCain leads in 13 out of the 14 states with the largest recent increases in home prices.
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:32 pm 70. Austin:I think all business owners should celebrate an Obama victory by firing all employees who supported Obama.
The next thing they should do is drop sales by enough so they stay under the tax increase window.
There is more than one way to vote and when this is over, we’ll see who really runs America.
Nov 3, 2008 - 3:58 pm 71. Marc Malone:I’d like to dispel the notion that Obama has run an excellent campaign. Time and again, he has let the mask slip, saying many stupid things. He can’t help himself. His selection of Biden was immensely stupid.
The only reason he gets away with it is the fawning adulation of the press. (Which leg was that tingle in?) If the press weren’t so biased, Obama’s campaign would have been rightly torn to shreds, especially the selection of Biden. This campaign excellence is an MSM meme, and everyone’s buying it.
McCain’s campaign ssems clumsy, because the GOP didn’t get behind it at first, not until he chose Palin. He also has had to try to do the media’s job in the face of their opposition. He couldn’t get traction on anything, because it requires media follow-up. So, don’t buy the meme.
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:11 pm 72. B Dubya:If Obama is elected, there will soon appear buyer’s remorse among even his most worshipful and uncritical believers. In the two years after the election, even you will turn on him and savage him. But it will be too late.
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:25 pm 73. Matt:I will neither forget this election cycle not forgive you foolish, traitorous fools. Damn your eyes.
Freedom and this nation deserves better than you. By God, she will have better when it is over.
Well, let’s see about voter fraud:
http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-steadily-outpolling-mccain-among.html
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:27 pm 74. glenn:“I do not believe the instinct for self-preservation has been entirely bred out of the American electorate”. before you chisel that into any nearby stones you might want to think about the University students who sat passively in their classrooms while they were slaughtered (by one armed lunatic whose prior antics didn’t get him sancioned) like sheep. One of the few people who resisted was a 78 year old Hungarian refugee professor who blocked his classroom door so some of his students could escape.
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:29 pm 75. Chuck Pelto:TO: nick
RE: Wrong….
….’nuff said.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Every man thinks meanly of himself for not having been a soldier. -- Samuel Johnson]
P.S. nick….
…what have you done for US? I mean besides being the sort of babbling boob you make yourself out to be here? I.e., the brunt of jokes about poor mental capacity?
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:36 pm 76. MIke:BC 58: Brilliant analysis. Why do you feel the need to convince Republicans not to vote? I thought Obama had this all sewed up? Oh wait, I see. We’re not just wrong we’re EVIL. Got it thanks, you’ve swayed me now.
63 Nick:
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:39 pm 77. ricpic:How many tours did you do? I only did one but it got me medically retired. Obama scares the hell out of me. Guess I’m just a coward.
One good thing will come out of an Obama victory — White consciousness.
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:46 pm 78. Ditto:Robert Hurley, despite your wishes to the contrary, if Sandman wishes to talk of rebellion he is free to do so, just as Rev. Wright is free to talk about “black liberation theology” as if it is a religion.
#23 John: My application is in, as well. I’d be interested to see some of the numbers concerning the increase in applications and gun sales over the last few months. And yes, Robert Hurley, I can shoot straight and have a nice, tight grouping in the kill zone at the shooting range when I go for practice.
#26 Heather: In my opinion, Michelle is the one who likes Wright’s ideas; and Obama just goes along to get along. Isn’t that just the kind of man we want in office… maybe that’s why Obama doesn’t like Palin. She’s got more of a backbone than he does.
#37 Re: That’s both of us. But I’d rather give McCain~Palin the chance to show they can clean up Washington than to give America over to the socialists and Marxists who have no idea what it has cost for them to have the freedoms they so easily relinquish in all our names.
#46. cedarford: No matter how much I agree with you as to the Republican’s case of implosion and need for reform, I prefer to elect yet another GOP candidate and have the freedoms left to me to see to it THIS time that they clean out Washington. Voting out of spite, as it sounds like you are advocating, doesn’t just punish Republicans. I’d prefer not to cut off the nose to spite the face.
#52. Northern Light: I’m sorry I can’t agree with your assessment of Obama’s campaign. It has not been excellent except by Chicago thuggery standards. He does not answer the most basic of questions. He says one thing to one state and something entirely different to another. He has offered nothing of substance and promotes himself entirely on a platform of empty rhetoric. He flaunts his foreign financial support before the media’s eyes and knows he is safe, assembles groups to interrupt free speech and intimidates purveyors of the information stream to restrict any negative information about his past, his history or anything to do with his family and/or background. His has not been a good campaign, much less excellent. It has simply been full of the seductive words Americans want to hear and think they can believe spilling from the lips of a predator. He has behaved dishonorably and lied shamelessly and the lemmings follow to the precipice with smiles on their adoring faces.
#58. BC: I voted against Carter the first time around and will vote against his ilk again tomorrow. If you wish to label me a “bad voter” I think I’ll live under the weight of that stigma – I’m voting that way for you as much as for myself, my children and my grandchildren. Take your time learning the lessons of history then come talk to me. Your advice is quasi-tongue-in-cheek but literally that’s what your Dear Leader wants you to do, as well — be pacified with fries and a shake and a movie at the box office so you won’t think about how he’s ripping apart the foundations of our nation.
#62. Abby: Don’t let ‘em get you down. We’ll possibly be tested, but our founding fathers made a good strong Constitution for us. We’ll see how strong it is if Roger is wrong. Just vote! And get in line for your gun permit. Soon!
Nov 3, 2008 - 4:47 pm 79. John B:Well, crap,,,,
Where’s cfbleachers when we need him?
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:00 pm 80. JimCap:Hey people—we can make PLENTY of money by betting on John McCain to win the election tomorrow. Here are the details: http://politics.betfair.com
If you’re REALLY confident about McCain’s chances, put your money down on it. You’ll not only be celebrating tomorrow night because he won, but you can also make a very, very healthy return on your investment.
So, who among us wants to go for it, and put our money where our mouth is?
Anyone?
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:03 pm 81. conservativechick:http://politics.betfair.com
The only thing standing between any citizen is the Constitution. You guys better wake up and start electing leaders who are willing to enforce it or we are all screwed. Now, McCain is no picnic, but Obama is just a radical. If you don’t think socialism, communism or facism can come to America, then you are just plain blind. Why is it that against the Constitution as of October 1, 2008 we have a standing army on U.S. soil? Why is it that via the Military Commissions Act and the Patriot Act our government can illegally imprison and search people? Have any of you actually read the Constitution? You guys better start paying attention to more than change, as Obama changes your life forever–he’s just the meglomaniac to do it. I’ve never heard one person whose done so little claim such powers for himself. It’s all fun and games until someone rounds you up. Americans better think a little further out then the next season of American Idol or you can kiss the future goodbye–all for a couple extra packages of cigarettes a week. WAKE UP sheeple!!! ROME is burning.
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:09 pm 82. Chris:re: Obama’s ‘vacuousness’: Really? And you people have been where for the last eight years? And think that Sarah Palin represents erudition I suppose?
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:25 pm 83. AMERICAN YOU&I:#7…I BASCICALLY SAID THE SAME THING ON THIS SITE , AND MY COMMENTS WERE PULLED …VOTE FOR McCAIN……………YESSSSSS
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:34 pm 84. john:Robert Hurley,
I’ll let the insults pass. But you have to tell me what you meant by “more of a danger to you family and neighbors than the government.” I plan to protect my family and property from potential looters if BHO loses. Why would I need to protect myself from the government? Was that a Freudian slip, by chance? Reading between the lines, I’m beginning to suspect you’re hoping for another civil war. I’m off to google you now.
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:36 pm 85. TuPac:The same Venezula where Obamas mentor, Bill Ayers, spoke praising Chave z
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:47 pm 86. skink:how many Republicans does it take to change a light bulb?
None
Republicans won’t change a thing
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:53 pm 87. mrkwong:conservativechick – now, I’m no fan of the Bush Administration, but I think for the average American the USA PATRIOT Act is less of a threat to their liberty than is the DMCA and some of the global-warming nonsense that Obama’s minions have in mind.
I’m much more concerned that a Federal Court of Appeals somehow seems to think that Chinese Muslims captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan should be BROUGHT TO AND RELEASED IN THE US because the Chinese won’t be too nice to them if they’re sent home.
Nov 3, 2008 - 5:54 pm 88. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Robert Hurley
Look who’s talking.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:04 pm 89. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: skink
What an appropriate nom des blogs, a slimy lizard, that sheds its tail when caught trying to run away.
Rather, ask how many Rangers does it take to change a light bulb?
Same answer….NONE. But for a different reason….
….Rangers aren’t afraid of the dark.
But I’ll wager you dollars to donuts that….
[1] There are more Rangers amongst Republicans than amongst ‘Progressives’
[2] The ‘Progressives’ will be more afraid of the dark, when it settles—thanks to The Ones policies—than the Republicans.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:12 pm 90. john:[Let us go forward in our mission and our duty. Fearing God and nothing else. -- Winston Churchill]
I don’t usually read the comments here. I didn’t realize Hurley was the resident troll. I’ll quit feeding him now.
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:14 pm 91. FLMom:86. skink:
“how many Republicans does it take to change a light bulb?
None
Republicans won’t change a thing”
We won’t need to change a light bulb if our coal-powered electrical plants are shut down.
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:19 pm 92. Self-hating boomer:Professor Guvinoff (48) nailed it. When the “cool” instinct goes up against the survival instinct, survival wins. The “cool” supporters of 0bama will spend tomorrow at the malls or with their wiis, but the people who see self preservation on the line will vote.
0bama rallies are great place to pick up butt, but polling places aren’t. There are going to be a lot of the same people who were enthusiastically chanting for their great messiah at his rock-star rallies who are going to spend tomorrow hanging out somewhere other than at the polls.
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:21 pm 93. Chuck Pelto:TO: John
RE: Aaaaahhhhh….
….come on….indulge yourself. He’s so much fun to poke at.
Besides. It’s ‘educational’. Not only for the troll/fool, but also for those who observe the ‘discussion’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:22 pm 94. Chuck Pelto:[Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. -- Proverbs]
TO: FLMom
RE: TARGET!
Cease fire….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:24 pm 95. BMoon:[The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it.]
#19, SK nails it : “Mr. Kimball: I guess I’m being an Eeyore here, but I think Obama has it. I don’t think the self-preservation instinct will kick in as you suppose it will, because I think most Americans are rather complacent.”
The self-preservation instinct unfortunately has given way, as it has in Europe some decades past, to a death wish. Suicide usually has several factors or a combination of:
1. Self-loathing and guilt. In institutions of lower learning, as Alan Bloom identified decades ago, two generations of Americans have been taught white guilt, “imperialist” guilt, western civilization guilt. The present horde of half-educated Children Crusaders will not be left scattered on the hills of Europe like centuries ago, but will seemingly prevail by expiating themselves and America’s “guilt” by electing a clearly Anti-American candidate.
2. Anger and vengeance. Like little spoiled children who do not understand how daddy works hard to provide, but only gets mad when he doesn’t come home with a present, this electorate seem ready to cut their nose off to spite their face. With no desire to learn economics, history or geopolitics, much less ethics, they mindlessly blame Repblicans for the war and the economy and threaten to throw themselves out the window just to sho daddy how mad they are. Like a suicide bomber, this is about getting even.
3. Despair and hopelessness. With the bitterly ironic banner of “Hope,” this is really about giving up on our history, traditions, institutions, and even the Constitution, where Obama has promised to appoint judges to construe law to favor one grop over another, effectively abolishing rule of law.
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:35 pm 96. Chuck Pelto:TO: realitychiq
RE: Look Who’s Talking 2
Tell me that when the electricity bill for your house goes through the $500 level. After all, Obama has promised to destroy the coal industry.
Where do you think we get most of our electricity? And the hydro’s won’t be untouched either. They’ll have to distribute their power over the national grid. And if they don’t?
We’ll, do you understand where civil war comes from?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:37 pm 97. KFB:P.S. Better brush up on your history….chiq….
“Nevertheless, I continue to think McCain can pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Why? Not because of any complex statistical alchemy but for the simple old fashioned reason that I do not believe the instinct for self-preservation has been entirely bred out of the American electorate.”
There’s your problem, Mr. Kimball. Your “simple old-fashioned reason” is no match for a little thing called mathematics. Mathematics squashes reason every time.
BTW, if you need to examine this mathematics phenomenon at work in another context, check out our recently erupted financial crisis. Plenty of squashing.
But I sympathize. I know that it’s easier for you and your ilk to blame both Obama’s rise and the Wall Street meltdown on convenient scapegoats (ACORN and Fannie/Freddie, respectively; or, in other words, poor black people), but it really is the mathematics. Honestly.
A tip: If you really want to educate yourself, there’s this other new math-y thing that you might also want to take a look at. It’s called demographics. I can’t tell you that it will make for pleasant reading for you, but at least it will provide you with millions and millions more scapegoats in the years ahead.
Yours, a-giggling,
KFB
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:40 pm 98. Xavier Cugat:Drill Baby Drill
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:52 pm 99. Chuck Pelto:TO: KFB
RE: Not Really
I blame the vaunted America public education system. The system that, for the last 30 years, has failed to teach HOW to think. Instead it has taught WHAT to think.
And from there you get your ‘demographics’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 3, 2008 - 6:58 pm 100. FreeRangeEditor:[Education is supposed to replace an empty mind with an open one. These days it replaces it with a closed one.]
Roger, Typo alert: ‘anencelphalic’, not ‘anencelphaltic’
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:17 pm 101. J.J. Sefton:Roger, no matter what, it has been a pleasure to read your observations which have been spot on.
I remember your calling a McCain landslide a month or so ago, before the FM/FM meltdown, but I am tending to think he will win it. He has to.
Tomorrow I go to the voting booth with an American flag lapel pin and one of the 27th Infantry Division. I am going to cast a vote for my uncle, whom I have never met, as he was killed in action on July 1st, 1944 on Saipan.
He will be with me, in spirit, and pulling that lever for McCain, Palin and every Republican down the line.
To all of you out there, do not listen to polls and propaganda. Go out and vote McCain-Palin for yourselves and the preservation of our great country.
G-d bless America!
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:20 pm 102. TubbyHubby:McCain-Palin VICTORY ‘08
I agree with you about self preservation. Unfortunately, when it comes to understanding the world through history, I fear the analogy of a child seeing a tiger in the grass and saying “Oh! What a pretty kitty.” is all to possible. You do realize there are people who will be voting this year who were born after the Berlin wall came down?
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:30 pm 103. DrawMaster:I wish I could give just twenty years of my 60 years of wisdom-brewing to some twenty-year-old. If enough of us could do that before tomorrow evening, the unthinkable could be averted. I still have hope, however. My 18-year-old granddaughter understands the threat and will cast her first national vote in the sanity column. She clearly understands that equal opportunity is already available – you simply have to respond with hard work in the absence of government interference.
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:32 pm 104. Chuck Pelto:TO: TubbyHubby
RE: And Hence….
….my comment to KFB about our ‘education’ system over the last 30 years.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson]
P.S. And if they are poorly educated…..guess what….
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:50 pm 105. Judy, NYC:we can’t do this obama thing. it’s too much. too crazy. too loony. too radical. too racist. too divisive. too unfeasible. anyone who has not voted, please put on your too toos and even if you are not a republican, as i am not, go vote mccain tomorrow.
Nov 3, 2008 - 7:53 pm 106. Election Predictions : Stop The ACLU:[...] Allahpundit is pessimistic: Obama 318, Maverick 220 Ed Morrissey is optimistic: McCain 273, Obama 265! Bob Krumm is optimistic: Obama 244, McCain 273 Karl Rove is pessimistic: Obama 338, McCain 200. Vox Day is optimistic, predicts a McCain win based on the 5% rule. Roger Kimball predicts a McCain win. [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:04 pm 107. Roger Godby:Robert Hurley,
It’s really a shame that 2nd Amendment means the government can’t take away the loony’s guns for his own good. Maybe if the Constitution lives and breathes some more, that can be fixed.
KFB,
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:34 pm 108. Christine:Progressive revolutions eat their own children. Last I saw, “Red” states had higher birth rates than “Blue” states. Your giggling might last a long time, until you realized that Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid you’ve been relying on is worth little, either due to inflation or cuts. We’re beginning to see it already here in Japan.
Hey everyone,
Say it with me, “Yes we can, yes we can.”
* Yes we can change this country from 8 years of devastation.
* Yes we can bring pride and glory back into this country, in the eyes of the world.
* Yes we can bring hope back to this country that have lost so much in these 8 years.
* Yes we can rebuild this economy that have collapse to the ground.
* Yes we can be the financial leader of the world again.
* Yes we can see our children’s future rise above and beyond.
* Yes we can finally gain our independence of foreign oil.
* Yes we can unite America and unite America with the world.
And if we believe that we can do all of these things, then yes we can vote for Barack Obama.
Nov 3, 2008 - 8:58 pm 109. BMoon:From here on the ground, what I hear leads me to believe that we may be in for a surprise, despite all the damage that that the education elite and the Pravda elites have done.
My son goes to an East Coast private university which has promoted Obama shamelessly and relentlessly since his candidacy began. Tuition money was spent buying every student a copy of Obama’s banl autobiography.
Despite the heavy propagandizing in the the heart of the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, he informed me a week ago of a school meeting of about 500 students, where after he finished, the dean asked for a quick poll, I suppose to see how successful his work had been. When he asked for how many will vote McCain, about 40% of the hands shot up. My son, one of them, said they all looked at each other stunned, never imagining that there were so many McCain supporters on that campus.
I hope this story is a microscosm of what happens tomorrow. If it was like this on a Leftist university in the very center of Leftist LaLaLand, polls be damned, it might be true to a greater extent accross the rest of the nation.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:02 pm 110. TrollBusters:@ 3. Mister Snitch!:
“Your caviar link died. … blah-blah-blah”
Who t.f. cares what you think about your own defeat? Who cares why you’ll lose?
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:04 pm 111. Frank Logan:Despite what you read, this race has been over since the end of the primaries in June, and it has been obvious to me that McCain will win the election in a landslide of electoral votes. Hillary exposed Obama for what he is. A great many democrats see Obama just like conservatives do, and are voting country before party. These are facts, not opinion. As to my opinion, McCain will win every 2004 Red state, except New Mexico & Iowa, including Ohio, plus Pennsylvania & New Hampshire for sure. That represents 299 electoral votes, more that enough to win easily. In addition, I expect McCain may win Wisconsin & Minnesota, possibly even New Jersey and Washington state. This sounds implausible only because the MSM & polls have everybody convinced Obama has it won. We all know the MSM is biased, and the polls are about GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out) Democrats are not telling pollsters that they are voting for McCain. The democrats are split and America is blessed because of it.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:12 pm 112. Truth First:President Obama
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:25 pm 113. Frank Logan:Many of you may find it interesting, that a great many of the 10 million democrats who are voting for McCain-Palin, say they are voting a straight republican ticket, because if Obama should win they don’t want him to have a big majority in the congress. It will be interesting to see the result wednesday A.M.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:36 pm 114. dragonfly:Here’s another heartening factor to support your hypothesis.
Obama, over the past two months, has been outspending McCain on the order of 10 to 1. But his lead has narrowed in all polls. He is not building his base. Arguably, his overkill may well be counter-productive.
This election will be settled by the “gut feeling” voters, a lot of whom are not fearful but royally put off by his smug self-assurance, self-adoration and arrogant assumption of victory. Most of us enjoy taking down a smart-ass.
The failure of the GOP and the conservative blogosphere to “Vet” Obama a year ago – his socialist record in Chicago machine politics was easy to uncover – is the major cause of McCain being the underdog at this point in the campaign.
Nov 3, 2008 - 9:47 pm 115. AnonymousPatriot:#98 KFB:
You can’t be serious! Haven’t you ever heard the phrase “Lies, damned lies, and statistics?”
If mathematics were absolute there would be no mistakes in engineering (look up your favorite man-made disaster), there would be no guessing about sports team wins/losses and the financial markets would never fail.
Per Wikipedia:
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics” is part of a phrase attributed to Benjamin Disraeli and popularised in the United States by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” The statement refers to the persuasive power of numbers, the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments, and the tendency of people to disparage statistics that do not support their positions.
My .02
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:07 pm 116. Chicago60641:Dear “Truth First”
It is doubtful that Obama is a just ruler, for a variety of reasons.
(1) He and his supporters have a substantial track record of shouting down those who would criticize him. That makes him a demagogue.
Gianna Jessen, Stanley Kurtz, investigations into William Ayers, Rachid Khalidi, the LA Times
(2) He believes that government can make you more just (i.e. less selfish) by forcing you to pay higher taxes. Not only can one not become more just by the use of third-party force, but government itself.
Paying your taxes will only make you compliant. It won’t make you generous or change your heart. The human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. Obama’s proposed policies are largely silent on such matters.
(3) Obama believes that partial birth abortion, a gruesome procedure, is legally and morally acceptable, and he has voted not to extend protection to babies surviving an abortion.
This troubling moral blind spot is surely not the mark of a just man. He may be just, but this tends to show him otherwise.
(4) Obama seems characterized by a strange moral equivalency on many other matters. If elected, his government seems like it will be primarily about the exercise of power, rather than about the wisdom and temperance of the just.
Even if he were just, he would not be the first. I invite you to read the pages of history.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:11 pm 117. Chicago60641:Dear “Truth First”
It is doubtful that Obama is a just ruler, for a variety of reasons.
(1) He and his supporters have a substantial track record of shouting down those who would criticize him. That makes him a demagogue.
Gianna Jessen, Stanley Kurtz, investigations into William Ayers, Rachid Khalidi, the LA Times are all examples of this.
(2) He believes that government can make you more just (i.e. less selfish) by forcing you to pay higher taxes. Not only can one not become more just by the use of third-party force, but government itself cannot bestow on you the moral quality of being just or justified.
Paying your taxes will only make you compliant. It won’t make you generous or change your heart. The human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked. Obama’s proposed policies are largely silent on such matters.
(3) Obama believes that partial birth abortion, a gruesome procedure, is legally and morally acceptable, and he has voted not to extend protection to babies surviving an abortion.
This troubling moral blind spot is surely not the mark of a just man. Perhaps he may be just, but this tends to show him otherwise.
(4) Obama seems characterized by a strange moral equivalency on many other matters. If elected, his government seems like it will be primarily about the exercise of power, rather than about the wisdom and temperance of the just.
Even if he were just, he would not be the first. I invite you to read the pages of history.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:13 pm 118. Marc Malone:#101 FreeRangeEditor? Oh, I get it. That’s when “the chickens come home to roost”.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:29 pm 119. kathio:DrawMaster and TubbyHubby,
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:50 pm 120. Peter the Australian:You are both 100% on! I am so grateful that my children did learn the value of hard work….and this year more than any other in my lifetime, just 58…I find myself at a computer searching for voices like yours. Quite Frankly, I’m searching for a miracle here and I’m wondering why…because we saw all those years of “welfare” and “unemployment” and big government programs? Or because we see these young voters nearly mezmerized with this election? I’m the mom and we’re all voting McCain tomorrow! Ok I wouldn’t really demand it but Thank God they are listening.
We in Oz now have a hopeless lefty government that has done its best to make the finacial crunch worse.
What I have noticed about the left in general in the last 20 years is that they are really good at campaigning, but really hopeless at Governing when they win.
In some cases the left can last in power for years by constantly managing the next 24 hours of media coverage and making usless gestures. Tony Blair’s government in the UK is the classic example of this. Spin and no subtance. When Obama gets in, expect to see more of the same. Even if the economy goes down the tubes and the US loses in Iraq, it won’t matter to the lefty progressives; they will still have their moderately well-paid jobs in the useless professions of academia and the MSM. psychotherapy, the yartz, etc..So they will help spin Obama into a great governor.
Nov 3, 2008 - 10:56 pm 121. Around The Campaign 2008 Sphere: Election Day Edition:[...] Some Believe McCain Will Win and one is Pajamas Media’s Roger Kimball who, in a post that should be read in full, explains why. A small excerpt: Nevertheless, I continue [...]
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:25 pm 122. Someone75:kevin c:
When McCain loses will you stop writing in all caps? Or is it too difficult to remember when to capitalize and when not to?
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:25 pm 123. trangbang68:Okay BC, I took your advice and thought about it and I reached the conclusion that you’re an ignorant, self centered little fool. I’ll think of you when I pull the lever tomorrow.
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:27 pm 124. Rachel Peepers:Roger Kimball builds a believable premise as to why Americans should see the light, and instinctively sense why they should cast their vote for John McCain.
There’s a world of reasons out there why a vote for Barack should be the farthest thing from your mind when you enter the voting booth. His threat to bankrupt the coal industry. His friends and relationships; he has more criminals, terrorists and America haters in his blackberry than most people would know in a lifetime. His socialistic recipe for curing economic ills; spreading the wealth. His plan to raise all kinds of taxes on everybody in year 2, 3 and 4 of his administration.
His constant lies. From, “I can no more disown Reverend Wright than I can my own grandmother, to I’ll personally and with no preconditions, as the sitting President, have a face to face meeting with the leader of Iran,” to “I had no relationship with Bill Ayers. He was just a guy from the neighborhood. Our kids went to the same school.”
Yes, there are reasons to not vote for a miscreant like Obama that extend far as the eye can see.
But when the American public looks at Barack Obama, they don’t see 20/20.
They’re nearsighted. They don’t see the lalapalooza of a threat to the existence of Israel and our own security that an Iran with nuclear missiles
will be.
None of those reasons punch through the curtain of believability that hangs between reality and the American people.
Mr. Kimball is wrong. Obama wins. America loses.
That’s because Barack holds the trump card.
How shall I say it? This is not a level playing field.
And anytime Barack is threatened by the truth, he plays his it. What a powerful trump card it is.
The American press.
It trumps all of Mr. Kimball’s arguments. Honesty, fairness, decency and honor go out the window if you don’t have a free, unbiased press.
And the American press is a disgrace.
From the New York times to the LA times, and most everything in between, to CBS, ABC NBC, MSNBC, public radio, Sunday morning talk shows, all orchestrated by the most liberal of liberals. Forming a melting pot of dishonest, non-objective, deceiptful,leftist puke that masquerades as the workings of a free, open and unbiased press.
The Washington Post gets first class seats on Obama’s plane while the Washington Times is kicked off. Multiply this bias 1,000 fold and that’s what poisons voters’ minds.
Abe Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, Ike; name your ten favorite Presidents. None would have had a ghost of a chance, nor a prayer of election victory without a free, factual and honest press.
Mr. Kimball talks self preservation. The pity of it all is that Obama can screw things up so bad with the press in the tank for him so much, that when Iran announces its missiles can reach the United States, we won’t know what hit us.
Why didn’t the press or the government warn us?
For forwarned is forarmed.
Mr. Kimball, 53% of the voting public is about to elect Barack Hussein Obama. And, because of a pitiable, pro left, deceiptful press, they won’t realize what a mistake of biblical proportions they made.
Until it’s too late.
Nov 3, 2008 - 11:44 pm 125. skink:it’s all over
the votes are in and Dixville Notch NH has decided:
Obama 15 McCain 6
all you fright-wingers may as well stay in bed.
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:43 am 126. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Christine
We’re talking REAL ‘delusional’ here, folks.
What devastation is that? Please clarify? Which major building has been brought down by a terrorist attack with thousands killed? Which city has been the target of a nuclear attack?
Yeah. Dragging it down into socialism always works. Look at Europe. Look at Venezuela . Look at Cuba. Look at Communist China.
Excellent examples of how socialism is so good, all.
Hope for what? Hope that
Despite all, we’ve still got the strongest and most robust economy in the world. Or can you prove otherwise?
Not with socialism, babe.
The only thing keeping our children down these days in the vaunted American public education system. I see this every just about every month at a city-county government oversight commission meeting I’m a member of.
Heck. The local school district doesn’t even show up anymore, their so embarrassed.
Obama’s friends and mentors, Aykers and Wright are proof that you’re brainless or brain-dead.
As you can’t expect to do any of what you would wish with Obama (see above) you obviously have serious problems with reason.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Fear not, the people may be deluded for a moment, but cannot be corrupted. -- Andrew Jackson]
P.S. I’m afraid Andrew Jackson may have been wrong…..
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:04 am 127. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Errata
That one item should have been in there as….
Bull-pucky. Democrats have blocked every effort at effective energy independence for the last decade. You must be brainless or brain-dead to not recall the bans on drilling in Alaska and off-shore.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:06 am 128. skink:P.S. This system needs a PREVIEW button….
89 Chuck:
I don’t follow you – what have Rangers got to do with it?
do you mean Park Rangers, like Smokie Bear?
are they not afraid of the dark because they are used to going out in the woods at night?
I’ll know who to call if I need someone to start a camp fire.
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:07 am 129. Red Blooded American:Funny, but it is “supporters” like Roger Kimball and many of the other commenters in this thread that have burdened John McCain with a more serious disadvantage than any he could have designed for himself: association with the fringe elements of society. For all your posturing how you all represent the “real” values of America, you most assuredly do not. The most convincing evidence I have of this comes from my own family, my elderly mother and stepfather, inhabitants of a solidly red state and people who have never voted for a Democrat in their lives. A decorated and seriously injured Korean War vet and a woman who has sacrificed her whole life for her community and for her church. I was very surprised to hear they had both voted for Obama. I won’t go into the reasons for their decision, but you can be sure it wasn’t because of the MSM. If people like them are voting against Republicans for the first time in their long lives, you can be sure this is not a Republican year. I think it was the divisive smear tactics that swung them against McCain/Palin. In order to win them back, future Republican candidates will have to resemble Eisenhower and Reagan more than GWB, and will have to abandon Rovean tactics. I think McCain had a chance, but he failed.
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:11 am 130. Michael F.:Finally a clear-headed assessment of the danger we face if we don’t have the competence and will of a McCain-Palin administration to deal with the dangerous world of which those latte-drinking fools remain so oblivious. Both Obama or Biden, for instance, would find themselves utterly out of their depth were the country deluged with an onslaught of witches. McCain need only turn to his number two, whose own ministry has a history banishing witchcraft. Thank God I saw the light before I pulled the switch for that hopelessly ill-prepared duo!
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:35 am 131. pez:Blah Blah, its all the medias fault, not the fact that people are heartily fed up of republican government, in the shape of GWB, and the fact that McCain/Palin have run a pretty inept campaign.
The arrogant assumption being that the American People are in the majority ignorant and stupid. Is that what you think of this great country? They disagree with you, no more, no less, you have not had any special inside information that they do not have; they have interpreted it differently, that’s all.
And by the way, if you really think MCain will win, you can currently buy McCain at 9.6 on Intrade, so go on, liquidate your assets and buy, an investment of $100,000 will make you a millionaire on the 5th, and have a McCain presidency thrown in free!
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:47 am 132. Jonesy55:So, Rachel Peepers, are you calling for an end to the free press?
Maybe the fairness doctrine should be reinstated and applied to newspapers, what do you think?
If the accusations of liberal bias are true you have to ask yourself why conservatives have been so bad at getting their message across, after all it’s a free country and anybody can buy a printing press.
Nov 4, 2008 - 2:06 am 133. Chuck Pelto:TO: skink
RE: Ignorant, Aren’t You
Not to worry….try THIS!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 3:51 am 134. Chuck Pelto:[Ask a question and you're ignorant for 3 minutes. Don't ask it and you're ignorant the rest of your life.]
TO: skink
RE: You….
….can forget the Jedi mind-tricks, i.e., psyops, stupid, young jedi-wannabe. They don’t work on my kind.
In fact, in another hour or so, I have to drive the distaff to her polling place where she’s a judge of the election. I think I’ll just park outside the door smoke a couple of cigars, listen to patriotic music on my iPod and read some Jerry Pournelle Falkenberg Legion stuff before going in and firing my rounds in this battle for the Future of Life on Earth.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:01 am 135. Chuck Pelto:[The Force. It surrounds us. It enfolds us. It gets us dates on Saturday nights. -- Obi Wan Kenobi, Famous Jedi Knight and Party Animal]
TO: Jonesy55
RE: You Call THIS….
….corporate-owned group of one-trick ponies a ‘free press’?
Free means it follows only the truth. The so-called ‘mainstream media’ is becoming a gross misnomer, as more and more people recognize the truth that all they are these days is nothing more, nor anything less, than a propaganda machine on a scale the Goebbels would have given his left testicle to have been in charge of….
….which brings up an interesting corellary….
….what does The One intend to do with this here “National Civilian Security Farce”? Will they be issued brown shirts? Why am I reminded of the Nightwatch from Babylon 5?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:08 am 136. fedupwidstupid:[Science fiction writers foresee the inevitable, and although problems and catastrophes may be inevitable, solutions are not. -- Isaac Asimov]
I hope TO GOD you are right. I feel like Aragorn right after he gets out of Helm’s Deep with that sorry handful of warriors to take on the might of the Orcs. (…And turns them to MUD!…)
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:56 am 137. loosecannon:The notion that if Obama wins it will be the result of Americans having lost touch with their self-preservation instinct is hysterical! What the hell do you think has been going on the last eight years, anyway?
Karl Rove is the guy who chased that instinct out of the American voter, especially the “working class whites” who needed it the most.
I realize that I’m an interloper on this website, and I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind, but since you all seem to be drinking the same kool-aid please allow me to provide a fresh batch of a different flavor.
Conservatives in this country have voted the wrong way in each of the last four elections. They voted twice against Bill Clinton, a tremendously popular President under whom the country prospered, and they probably voted twice for George Bush, who has an excellent chance of being the worst Chief Executive in the nation’s history.
I understand your frustrations, after all it was just two years ago that you had the White House, both chambers of Congress and the Supreme Court under your control. Unfortunately, instead of using that advantage to incorporate the minority party, the GOP powers over-reached, got corrupted, and got tossed out. There was nobody else to blame when the thing turned bad.
The truth about Mr. Obama is that he’s special. Colin Powell sees it, Warren Buffett sees it, and many other prominent Republicans see it. That Mr. Kimball doesn’t says more about him than it does about Mr. Obama. Several of you post about being “afraid” of what Obama would do as president. Do you think Powell and Buffett are stupid? Do you think they’re just duped? Why should you be afraid of something, when two men much closer to the situation and with real knowledge of the candidate are not?
Another thing about Obama, and this is a prediction that you will all disagree with, is that he will not govern, nor will he allow Reid and Pelosi to govern, in the style of Gingrich, Delay, Lott, Bush, Rove and Cheney. He is on the record as saying that he believes he will need both parties to work together to solve the problems we face, regardless of whether the Democrats get to 60 seats in the Senate (which they likely will not).
Now, I understand that the Current Occupant said the same kind of things when he was campaigning, and then he governed in a completely opposite manner. I acknowledge that Obama may do the exact same thing, which would be a) a crying shame and b) really stupid, which he is not.
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:22 am 138. Barb:I believe McCain/Palin will win because of all the silent lovers of America who will cast their votes for them. An Obama win would be the “death” of the American dream. God bless America!
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:50 am 139. Chris H:As a Brit, I read these blogs with detached amusement. Most amusing of all is the notion that the MSM is nest of left wing vipers. On this side of the pond, being ‘left wing’ involves having a critique of the very basis of capitalism. Who’s asking those questions in the States? The American system of free enterprise will prevail. Right now, probably the best chance of that lies in an Obama victory. That’s why the MSM support him.
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:31 am 140. BC:Sorry, but people who voted for Bush the last time around, and swallowed hook, line and sinker that whole over the top, geared-for-fools smear campaign against Kerry (as well as Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame for that matter) really need to do some sort of penance. Sitting out this election wouldn’t be such a bad idea in this case, and would make for some penance, albeit not that much all things considered….
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:33 am 141. Gary Ogletree:My gut says people are sick of hearing the same old stuff from the campaigns. New info gets my attention. All the new info coming to light exposes Obama’s more of his hidden agenda and his arrogant disdain for the Constitution and the good ol’ USA. The polls are slanted for various reasons for the Dems as usual, but the momentum is with Piper’s Mom. Yet, I could see Obama survive this and have a bright political future–in France! Where else? Tabernac!
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:52 am 142. Get Real:When your best shot comes from some Alaskan hick and a plumber you are done. Nice work on the journalism of Michelle Obama Roger. I am sure to trust your instincts on a McCain win now!
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:57 am 143. Johnny Marre:Reading Sandman and his friends show that I was right when I posted before:
“Where I live we don’t think that the average citizen should be trusted with fire-arms, except properly licensed and controlled single-shot rifles and shotguns for hunting. Of course this leaves the guns in the hands of criminals and the State (police and army). And it’s true that, where seconds count, the police are minutes, if not hours away. But in all debates on the 2nd Amendment, sooner or later someone points out that its main purpose is not to protect life and property against criminals but to guard your liberty against an oppressive and tyrannical government. Tell me, just how is this meant to work in practice? An all-out insurrection against the State would lead to Civil War and on a smaller scale to the siege at Waco. Clearly this defense is only effective at the level of the individual citizen. So if you tell Joe Six-pack that one of the Presidential candidates is Commie muslim terrorist out to destroy the country, doesn’t the 2nd Amendment give him the right, maybe even the duty, to do something about it? It gives political groups the right to assert their ideologies by force if necessary. It is an anachronism, which, coupled with the rhetoric of the past months is a danger to democracy.”
Nov 4, 2008 - 7:03 am 144. Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » Why I am not voting for Obama:[...] By the way, Roger is optimistic on self-preservation. [...]
Nov 4, 2008 - 7:23 am 145. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: SITREP
Rounds complete!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 7:29 am 146. Chuck Pelto:[Incoming artillery has right-of-way.]
TO: All
RE: Get Real
How much you wanna bet that if McCain wins and the House and Senate go a reasonable mix of both parties that a video of Get Real’s reaction to such an outcome of today’s balloting would win the Annual Grand Prize on America’s Funniest Home Videos?
Any members of Get Real’s friends and/or family, out to have their camcorder ready.
You COULD be a [Get] REAL Winner!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:25 am 147. jonesy55:[The point is that as soon as fear, hatred, jealousy and power worship are involved, the sense of reality becomes unhinged. And, as I have pointed out already, the sense of right and wrong becomes unhinged also. -- George Orwell]
“Free means it follows only the truth.”
What you talkin bout Chuck Pelto?
Since when has a ‘free press’ meant only reporting one person’s definition of the truth?? That sounds more like a Soviet press to me.
Free press usually means that they can print what they want. of course if something is an outright lie you can take them to court, that’s what libel laws are for.
But you just seem to want to silence voices that you don’t agree with, how quaintly totalitarian.
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:35 am 148. Johnny Marre:If you want further proof look at ex-fetus’ reply (number 104)to my orginal post on http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/european-obamaphiles-trash-the-us/#comment-142201
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:45 am 149. Edward A.:It is frightening to imagine McCain in the White House. His mismanagement and failure of his own campaign shows his lack of organization, temperament and ability. It is laughable to think he could be the leader of this nation. The American people realize he is well past his prime.
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:51 am 150. geno Beano:Roger:
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:55 am 151. G. Clark:Don’t beat yourself up on the snopes.com determinations of true and false, several folks are thinking they have caught the liberal media bias ‘flu’.
@138 “loosecannon”
lol! How on earth is BH Obama special? What are his accomplishments? Easy answers: he isn’t and doesn’t have any. Of course neither of those fact has mattered.
This is a sad day for the USA whichever of these two loathsome candidates wins. But people tend to get the leaders they deserve.
Nov 4, 2008 - 9:07 am 152. Washington City Paper: City Desk - Conservatives who Think John McCain Might Win:[...] Roger Kimball at Pajamas Media: Nevertheless, I continue to think McCain can pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Why? Not because of any complex statistical alchemy but for the simple old fashioned reason that I do not believe the instinct for self-preservation has been entirely bred out of the American electorate. [...]
Nov 4, 2008 - 9:26 am 153. Marc Malone:skink – Stupid Brit. You want to comment on our election, but don’t even know what a Ranger is.
Others – As for armed insurrection, a couple things.
The purpose of the Bill of Rights is to limit the authority to govern. If they break these rules, they may no longer govern.
As for Civil War, who’s gonna oppose an uprising: the wienies on the left?
As to how, form militias. Make them non-profit and tax free. One could make a case that for this express purpose, one could actually own military assault weapons and such. Any lawyers out there?
All this is hypothetical. It presupposes that the government starts trying to violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Nov 4, 2008 - 10:18 am 154. El tramo final « Sarah Palin en Español:[...] Roger Kimball, este hombre renacentista y profundo conocedor de la Historia del Arte, cree que McCain va a ganar. No da cifras, pero asegura que el sentido nato de auto-preservación del pueblo americano le va a lleva a rechazar a alguien que no les da ninguna seguridad en el contenido de sus mensajes (no en su forma, que es impecable) y a quien no conocen bien. [...]
Nov 4, 2008 - 10:38 am 155. USAF Vet:HEY NICK..I have 2 middle-east tours…and I fear that socialist. How many tours have you???
Nov 4, 2008 - 11:00 am 156. lee:Chris H, what are you talking about? How is Obama the best chance for “free enterprise”?
If Gordon Brown’s associates were former terrorists who attempted to blow up the parliament or declared “God damn the queen”, you’re telling me Brits would have voted for him?
Obama has achieved nothing in his lifetime. He failed with the Annenberg project, did not improve housing conditions in Chicago slums, and consistently voted against low taxes. He’s essentially rode Bush hate to prominence.
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:23 pm 157. Ally Oop:Politically Obama and Mccain are the same. But the great unwashed can give the liberal transvestite corporate media the finger by voting for Mccain. If Obama wins this will not change anything, since he supports the Patriot Act and former clansman John Ashcroft’s revised FISA Act, which allows Kremlin like spying on Americans without a court order. It will only make latte-drinking and Birkenstock wearing NPR yuppies even more smug. So vote for Mccain. Its a fashion thing.
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:33 pm 158. mnotaro:Obama supporters keep chanting change, change, change…but McCain is not Bush. McCain is a change from Bush. Left wing liberal illuminati keep shoving down our throats that if we want change, we have to pick Obama, but McCain is a change from Bush too. Obama is not the only choice for change.
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:43 pm 159. Chuck Pelto:TO: Jonesy55
RE: Yeah…
….even if it’s a pack of lies drummed up by graduates of the Goebbels School of Journalism.
This so-called ‘mainstream media’ press is as free as the one Goebbels ran. And, it intends to silence all opposition.
We saw that in the way Obama’s ‘free press’ treated the Washington Times, New York Post and Dallas Morning News last week. How it treated those television stations in Missouri earlier.
That’ll make it REAL ‘free’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe. -- Thomas Jefferson]
P.S. For the truly ignorant….or worse….Jefferson was not talking about what passes for the ‘free press’ in Jonesy55’s opinion.
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:45 pm 160. nogopostal:In 2004..Bush was elected. Our nation voted…it was very close something like less than 130,000 in Ohio. In 2006 there was election blow back but Bush was still our President. The blow back this time
will be of greater magnitude.
After the usual whines and cries… Democrats reorganized. This led to 2006.
In simple terms Obama out organized Clinton and out organized McCain.
After today..the GOP will make the same cries. The fundamental questions are what lessons will you bring to 2010 and 2012?
..to say Obama “has achieved nothing in his lifetime.” He led a campaign that defeated Clinton in the Dem Primary. He lead a campaign that defeated McCain by taking formally Red States.
So the GOP will do what Dems did…bitch and moan and point fingers. However what comes next? The Dems figured it out…will the GOP?
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:46 pm 161. Chuck Pelto:TO: Marc Malone, et al.
RE: Indeed
And I wonder where The Ones proposed National Civilian Security Force figures into the scheme.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:48 pm 162. Chuck Pelto:P.S. Will they be issued ‘brownshirts’? Or will we refer to them as the ‘Blue Meanies’ that showed up in last Sunday’s Day-by-Day from Chris Muir?
TO: Edward A.
RE: McCain?
Was McCain on the ballot? I voted for Palin.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Why, this fellow don't know any more about politics than a pig knows about Sunday. -- Harry S. Truman]
P.S. He’s talking about YOU Edward….
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:52 pm 163. Mark Rinzel:Losing sucks, doesn’t it?
Feel the sting, people. You’re party earned it for you!
Laughing from communist Brooklyn,
Nov 4, 2008 - 12:53 pm 164. Chuck Pelto:Mark
TO: All
RE: Jonesy55 vs. the Truth
I find it ‘interesting’ that Jonesy seems to think that reporting the truth is a Communist idea. That it’s only printing ‘one persons’ concept of the truth.
Isn’t it odd that the so-called mainstream media seems to be doing EXACTLY that about The One. That is they are only printing The Ones’ concept of the Truth.
Looks to me like Jonesy55 is projecting on me, what he actually prefers from the so-called mainstream media.
As for me, if someone reports the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, as best as they can discern it, they’re doing pretty good. And that includes reporting unpleasant truths, which the so-called mainstream media have NOT been doing about The One, e.g., his relationships with Wright, Ayers, and others. His lack of a birth certificate. His intentions to bankrupt the coal/electrical industry.
Hiding the truth about something is just another indication that the so-called mainstream media has no interest in telling the truth. And therefore, there is some form of control over it that restrains it. Therefore, the so-called mainstream media cannot be considered a ‘free press’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:02 pm 165. myth buster:[A free press is not free if it is controlled in what it reports by any party. -- CBPelto]
Yes, if Obama indeed does get elected and become a tyrant who will send his political enemies to jail, he would deserve to be shot. The same is true if McCain were elected and did the same, or any other would-be President did the same. In fact, the military would be derelict if they did not depose or kill such a President who would kill or incarcerate people for daring to oppose him.
As for the Second Amendment being ineffective, better a small resistance to tyranny than none at all.
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:03 pm 166. Believer:Want to be cheered? Go to:
seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/toast
to read a former political analyst explain what he sees going on…
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:21 pm 167. Hotpatch 6:If Obama does become president, the world will not end. The proof? If this country survived four years of Jimmy Carter, it sure can survive Obama. Just be prepared for 20% interest rates, 12% unemployment, rampaging inflation, and some kind of international humiliation of the United States by a two-bit socialist dictator. But we will get by in spite of Obama, not because of him, and in four years he will be in the ash heap of history.
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:28 pm 168. Chuck Pelto:TO: realitychiq
RE: Solar
Show me the tech and the stats that says it works better and cheaper than existing tech. I’ll also listen to reports of intangible benefits.
Also, can it be put in place without bankrupting everyone who owns a house that gets its electricity from coal?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:54 pm 169. Chuck Pelto:[Figures don't lie, but liars figure.]
TO: All
RE: Mark Rinzel: Laughing from communist Brooklyn
I wonder what his laugh will look like when it glows in the dark. Anything like ‘grinning’ skulls from those evil scenes in the Terminator series?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 1:57 pm 170. Carrie in CA:[The lion will lay down with the lamb, but the lamb won't get much sleep.]
Amen brother, great job!
Nov 4, 2008 - 2:05 pm 171. Chuck Pelto:TO: myth buster
RE: Some Lessons from History
During WWII, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising held of several Nazi divisions for a month.
At Waco, some guys with high-powered rifles, held off a BATF assault, the FBI’s f.k.a. Homicidal Rifle Team (HRT), Texas Rangers, and elements of the US Army with armored combat vehicles for several months, until Clinton had them burned alive.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. - Thomas Jefferson]
P.S. Jefferson was a TRUE Democrat…..
Nov 4, 2008 - 2:07 pm 172. skink:Oh Chuckie
Oh Marc
you call me dumb, but you don’t know when you’re being wound up.
It’s going to be fun watching you twist in the wind overthe next few hours as the votes are counted. It will probably get called after Virginia declares. No doubt all that bile you produce will start to rot your liver by about 9pm Eastern.
time for you to pack up your paranoid kitbag, stock up on tinned food and ammo, and crawl into a hole somewhere and hide from all those nasty liberal folk who are going to be running your lives for the next few years.
Nov 4, 2008 - 3:28 pm 173. Larry Clardy:”Let’s all pray that Obama does not win!
Nov 4, 2008 - 3:47 pm 174. Kevin:Your whole article just made me sick. You’ll have to cry and deal with it when he wins tonight. Thanks for the upset stomach and amusement.
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:19 pm 175. Kevin:THANK YOU REALITYCHEQ. Nice words. Pretty much sums up what I said as well.
He will win, Repub’s. Deal.
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:21 pm 176. me:The Obama supporters will see inside of the first year just what kind of nut they voted for but maybe even that wont stick to this guy as they will probably still blame someone else other than him for what is about to go down if he is elected get ready for an eye opening 4 yrs…
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:23 pm 177. Marilyn:I see racism will never change in America. John McCain is a Parrot and a mockery, only speaks what he has heard Obama say. If the aged McCain passes away. Our country will be in big trouble if the VP has to call the shots. Wake up and smell the coffee!
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:31 pm 178. Chuck Pelto:TO: realitychiq
RE: As I’ve Pointed Out….
…on several occasions, the ONLY ONE WHO HATES between us is you.
And your projection in this instance, along with your unwillingness to prove your point just provides more evidence of that.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:32 pm 179. Chuck Pelto:[Hatred is the cowards revenge for being intimidated.]
TO: skink
RE: Say What?
Where did I call you ‘dumb’.
I said you were ‘ignorant’. And I said you were ’stupid’, vis-a-vis that effort at the Jedi mind trick. But I did not call you ‘dumb’.
There’s something of a difference. Ignorance can be overcome by learning. There is no way to overcome ‘dumb’.
There MIGHT be a cure for being ’stupid’. I say that because my working definition of ’stupid’ is being ‘ignorant’ and proud of it. And, as with the cure for ‘ignorance’, it just requires education to overcome being stupid.
Hope that helps….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:38 pm 180. Ditto:[Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne]
Due to long lines today, voting is being conducted differently. McCain voters will go to the polls today. Obama supporters are asked to vote on Wednesday.
Thank you
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:40 pm 181. Marc Malone:Chuckle – Keep slugging. You’re doing great.
skink – If Mac wins, will you be issuing a mea culpa or two?
Nov 4, 2008 - 4:52 pm 182. GPaul:I have never seen such a group of whining losers gathered in one comment blog in my life. Remember, it was a Republican who got us into this situation. Into a retarded war with no provocation. And is now BUYING up bank stock and insurance companies like a mad socialist. I don’t think Obama will screw things up more that the chickenshit we currently have in the White House. Hate to say it boys, but you brought this on yourselves you greedy little boys.
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:18 pm 183. jonesy55:Sounds like Chuck’s gonna blow a gasket when the results come in.
If you do, you should consider a hybrid as a replacement.
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:28 pm 184. tori sams:you sound a bit of a racist to me. obama is not personally attacking mccain because he is more concerned with the economy than mud slinging. are you a participant in the hanging the obama figure from a tree?
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:31 pm 185. mfg:This is to the editor who wrote the article on the fact Mccain might win.
You are just like the select group of narrow minded mind set that exist in America today. Those are th ones that have lived in America all their lives, never been out of this country, have a psychi filled with fear of any other race or nation that is different from your red-neck mind set and definitely a very non-progressing mentality that refuses to look beyond to see other avenues and possibilities!
There is a saying in other cultures – ‘There is many ways to slice the pig’ so in this case with the Mc Cain mindset- there is only one way –that is why America has a problem solving diplomatic problems and other issues with nations or countries that are different in culture and otherwise.
I believe the Obama presidency will be most definitely what America needs – a leader with sensibilities, one that does not go over the deep end in a crisis like Mc Cain and his temper and then oh we have Palin – she is another joke!
Imagine Palin running our country – that is beyond a laugh!
McCain – he is like the rest of you including the editor of this column – a non-progressive mind set that will forever condition their descendants to fear another race, culture, people and so on – this is definitely a prison of its own that you and the rest create for yourselves in a delusional and illusional state of so-called security!
And on a final note – its mindsets like yours and the McCains/Palins of the world that cause a racial segregation, dissension, political turmoil and wars.
Then you use religion to provide the excuse for your actions – great for the sheep that follow blindly but for the wise – they know better!
Well enough said – on a final note – Obama is the chosen one per the christin god that rules our land and not McCain as the results shall show in the preceeding days – Yes change is here and not any change BUT POSITIVE CHANGE FOR THE AMERICA PEOPLE that so deserve it!!
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:39 pm 186. SK:Earlier, Chris H. said:
“As a Brit, I read these blogs with detached amusement. Most amusing of all is the notion that the MSM is nest of left wing vipers. On this side of the pond, being ‘left wing’ involves having a critique of the very basis of capitalism. Who’s asking those questions in the States? The American system of free enterprise will prevail. Right now, probably the best chance of that lies in an Obama victory. That’s why the MSM support him.”
Deucedly clever, old chap! Though, I must say, I think this is a U.S. democrat posing as someone from Britain. It reads like a Simpsons character, not a human being.
Nov 4, 2008 - 5:51 pm 187. jonesy55:Looks like it’s all over guys, PA goes blue.
Mr Kimball’s poor judgement is shown up. Acase of partisan loyalty clouding clear thinking and any serious analysis I think.
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:07 pm 188. Josh:Yep, that pointy-headed freak Roger Kimball really knows how to call it. Loser! He’s a loser prognosticator for a loser candidate for a loser party. And all the rest of you here are sub-losers who can’t handle the pain of losing. But then again, you lost 2 wars and you lost our economy, so losing is pretty standard for Republicans. Ah-ha-ha-ha! LOSERS!
Nov 4, 2008 - 6:13 pm 189. Mark V.:CNN calls it: McCain leading in Oregon and Washington!
We ain’t out of it yet, gang!!
Nov 4, 2008 - 8:48 pm 190. Josh:Yep, that pointy-headed freak Roger Kimball really knows how to call it. Loser! He’s a loser prognosticator for a loser candidate for a loser party. And all the rest of you here are sub-losers who can’t handle the pain of losing. But then again, you lost 2 wars and you lost our economy, so losing is pretty standard for Republicans. Ah-ha-ha-ha! LOSERS!
Nov 4, 2008 - 9:04 pm 191. Jonesy55:“CNN calls it: McCain leading in Oregon and Washington!”
Breaking News – Republican party officials are claiming that Guam really has 173 electoral college votes but nobody noticed until now, vote suppression agents are flying across the pacific as we speak. lol
You lost, get over it. The recession was always going to be bad whoever got in, if you’re lucky the fickle voters will blame Obama for it and you might win back The House in a couple of years.
Nov 5, 2008 - 12:34 am 192. nlcatter:I thought I was right
but you liars scared me
now I know you to be pathetic.
Nov 5, 2008 - 12:54 am 193. Chuck Pelto:TO: Jonesy55
RE: Gaskets?
I look forward to the next two years with avid interest. I abhor boredom and Obama promises to make these next few years VERY ‘interesting’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[May you live in interesting times. -- ancient Chinese curse]
P.S. I’m glad I don’t live in a major metropolitan area anymore….
Nov 5, 2008 - 5:36 am 194. Chuck Pelto:TO: Realitychiq
RE: Disappearing Acts
Wrong again, girl.
We were always here. But Kimball or whomever ‘moderates’ this thread wasn’t ‘approving’ items. My item #182 @ 4:38 pm wasn’t visible here until well after 10 pm, Mountain Time, as I checked before going off to bed.
Hope that helps…but…well….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 5, 2008 - 5:41 am 195. Chuck Pelto:[There is no maxim, in my opinion, which is more liable to be misapplied, and which, therefore, more needs elucidation, than the current one, that the interest of the majority is the political standard of right and wrong. -- James Madison]
TO: RealityChiq
RE: [OT] Keep It Coming!
Before going to sleep, last night, my nightly reading in that Old Book brought me THIS….
….and I’m reminded of your heaping honor on me when you say such things.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 5, 2008 - 6:41 am 196. nlcatter:[Go ahead. Make my eternity. -- Dirty Harry (paraphrased)]
Americans told lying, book burning ,corrupt Creationists to take a HIKE!
Its a wonderful day.
Nov 5, 2008 - 9:41 am 197. Emeraldcitysavant:Well, well, well…looks like it wasn’t so close after all. The godless, politically-correct, America-hating, cultural relativists you’ve made your career bashing for the past twenty or so years prevailed in the end. If you, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, and the rest of the crew at Faux News would like to relocate to someplace where your views are more welcome, like, say Utah, Mississippi, or Wyoming, there’s about 60 million of us who would be more than happy to pack your bags!
Nov 5, 2008 - 12:42 pm 198. Frank:So how you going Nostradamus?
Nov 5, 2008 - 1:42 pm 199. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Heh….
I wasn’t expecting these types of threats until AFTER The One was inaugrated. But here they are, the day after….
….and to think that just a few hours ago, I got notice that I’m a SPAMMER because I sent a simple Reply-All in response to an e-mail from a former associate about The One. And that if I do that sort of thing much more, my access to the internet will be terminate.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 5, 2008 - 4:09 pm 200. Chuck Pelto:[The games have begun.]
TO: realitychiq
RE: So?
What? They did the such in the past. And they suffered for it too.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Every people get the governance they deserve.....]
P.S. Keep killing those babies, babe. It’ll catch up with you sooner or later…..
Nov 5, 2008 - 4:15 pm 201. Lempel:So, moving to Utah, Mississippi, or Wyoming is considered a “threat”? At last we know what the right thinks about the “real America”!
Nov 5, 2008 - 7:52 pm 202. Chuck Pelto:TO: Lempel
RE: Short-Memory, Eh?
Can’t remember when people on YOUR side of the aisle complained about other people saying things like….
Or are you just another typical leftist hypocrite?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 6, 2008 - 6:29 am 203. Roger’s Rules » “For this relief, much thanks . . .”:[...] I.i). What a relief! The election did not have the result I wanted (nor the result I predicted, here, for example or–before the evaporation of three or four trillion dollars from the US [...]
Nov 6, 2008 - 7:05 am 204. Shef Rogers:Roger Kimball, I sure hope you’re not a gambler. You’d be on the street in a few hours.
Nov 6, 2008 - 7:20 pm 205. Chuck Pelto:Oh, and by the way, that tie you’re wearing is the silliest I’ve ever seen.
TO: Shef Rogers
RE: Gamblers R US
We’re ALL ‘gamblers’ in this country. And we just tossed some dice, last Tuesday, that we’ll have to live with for at LEAST two years.
Now….
….I wonder what sort of odds Jimmy the Greek is offering on the survivability of New York City…vis-a-vis a nuke going off in it in the not too distant futhre.
Then again, based on what Russia did yesterday, the survivability of democracy in Poland.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Nov 7, 2008 - 9:51 am 206. guess:[It's a dangerous world we live in. And I think the coefficient of 'danger' just rose by an order of magnitude. -- CBPelto]
belief = unfounded.
Nov 7, 2008 - 3:28 pm