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	<title>Comments on: The Follies Berger &#8211; Clue No. 304</title>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/22/the-follies-berger-clue-no-304/#comment-2711</link>
		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It now seems that Berger did in fact purloin documents that the Commission did NOT get to see...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It now seems that Berger did in fact purloin documents that the Commission did NOT get to see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/22/the-follies-berger-clue-no-304/#comment-2710</link>
		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrye made it!!



Welcome back!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrye made it!!</p>
<p>Welcome back!</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an outcry in the UK not long back when someone denied seeing a briefing document,unfortunately an initialled copy was found.How much attention would the researches to something like that or would they be looking for broader issues?

Historians spend a lifetime examining such minutiae,often the question is not what it is, but who knew.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an outcry in the UK not long back when someone denied seeing a briefing document,unfortunately an initialled copy was found.How much attention would the researches to something like that or would they be looking for broader issues?</p>
<p>Historians spend a lifetime examining such minutiae,often the question is not what it is, but who knew.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, you&#039;re more or less right on track; there&#039;d be some number of copies made and distributed for comment.  It&#039;s just as TS CODEWORD documents, they&#039;d be numbered and tracked.



It&#039;s &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; unlikely that many -- or any! -- copies of the hand-annotated copies would be made, as that would imply creating new controlled documents, which is known in the trade as &quot;a pain in the ass&quot;.  Consider that (by more or less the same rules I described above) a copying machine ends up classified at the combined classification of all the material ever copied. (I&#039;d bet NSA or CIA could recover a lot from the copier drum of any xerographic copier or printer, which means you declassify them the same way you declassify a highly classified disk drive: with a thermite grenade.)



Yes, this &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; mean that you might very well have copiers for different &quot;compartments&quot;, if only because at these levels the &lt;i&gt;only&lt;/i&gt; person who is cleared for all the compartments is POTUS and maybe DCI.



This makes it seem perfectly plausible to me, by the way, that Berger was removing and concealing the only copies of some documents that included the hand-written annotation.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever gotten around to saying that explicitly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, you&#8217;re more or less right on track; there&#8217;d be some number of copies made and distributed for comment.  It&#8217;s just as TS CODEWORD documents, they&#8217;d be numbered and tracked.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s <i>extremely</i> unlikely that many &#8212; or any! &#8212; copies of the hand-annotated copies would be made, as that would imply creating new controlled documents, which is known in the trade as &#8220;a pain in the ass&#8221;.  Consider that (by more or less the same rules I described above) a copying machine ends up classified at the combined classification of all the material ever copied. (I&#8217;d bet NSA or CIA could recover a lot from the copier drum of any xerographic copier or printer, which means you declassify them the same way you declassify a highly classified disk drive: with a thermite grenade.)</p>
<p>Yes, this <i>does</i> mean that you might very well have copiers for different &#8220;compartments&#8221;, if only because at these levels the <i>only</i> person who is cleared for all the compartments is POTUS and maybe DCI.</p>
<p>This makes it seem perfectly plausible to me, by the way, that Berger was removing and concealing the only copies of some documents that included the hand-written annotation.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever gotten around to saying that explicitly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never had a position requiring security clearance so am unsure of what the routine is. When I have had input on some position paper, the original statements were copied and distributed to those who were to give input, discuss and then develop the final paper or report. If this was confidential material, the copies of the draft would be collected and then the final draft written. There would be original first draft(s) and an original final paper. Are steps similar to this used when high security clearance is involved? If so, the copies of the first draft may have had comments written on many of the copies of first draft while the pristine original first draft would not. Am I understanding what others are writing?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never had a position requiring security clearance so am unsure of what the routine is. When I have had input on some position paper, the original statements were copied and distributed to those who were to give input, discuss and then develop the final paper or report. If this was confidential material, the copies of the draft would be collected and then the final draft written. There would be original first draft(s) and an original final paper. Are steps similar to this used when high security clearance is involved? If so, the copies of the first draft may have had comments written on many of the copies of first draft while the pristine original first draft would not. Am I understanding what others are writing?</p>
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		<title>By: hollywood</title>
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		<dc:creator>hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we will know &quot;the document.&quot; http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040722-115441-5005r

The odd thing is if this piece is correct it would seem Clarke would be the one who&#039;d want to remove the after action report, not necessarily Berger.  Curious.  Is Clarke just smarter than Berger?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we will know &#8220;the document.&#8221; <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040722-115441-5005r" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040722-115441-5005r</a></p>
<p>The odd thing is if this piece is correct it would seem Clarke would be the one who&#8217;d want to remove the after action report, not necessarily Berger.  Curious.  Is Clarke just smarter than Berger?</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry ó That&#039;s exactly the problem ó &lt;i&gt;now we&#039;ll never know,&lt;/i&gt; since we don&#039;t know exactly what Berger stole.  We don&#039;t know what lies or coverups he was trying to conceal, or why, or for whom.  This will be conspiracy theory heaven for years to come, especially if anything untoward ever happens to Mr. Berger...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry ó That&#8217;s exactly the problem ó <i>now we&#8217;ll never know,</i> since we don&#8217;t know exactly what Berger stole.  We don&#8217;t know what lies or coverups he was trying to conceal, or why, or for whom.  This will be conspiracy theory heaven for years to come, especially if anything untoward ever happens to Mr. Berger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that this is about covering up. Cleaning up better explains what they were doing------trying to preserve their testimony in public that they were tough on terrorism and that their policies were the right ones.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that this is about covering up. Cleaning up better explains what they were doing&#8212;&#8212;trying to preserve their testimony in public that they were tough on terrorism and that their policies were the right ones.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth:



I doubt that there is anything about AQ in the Balkans that is missing.  That information is widely available in both classified and unclassified sources.  Supporters of the 1999 Kosovo war have spread enough disinformation about the Serb 1998 counterinsurgency campaign that there is no need to cover it it up. There is a constant convultion of &quot;ethnic cleansing&quot; that occurred during the 1999 war with a relatively clean CI campaign conducted by the VJ against Islamic extremists that makes a Clinton cover up unnecessary.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth:</p>
<p>I doubt that there is anything about AQ in the Balkans that is missing.  That information is widely available in both classified and unclassified sources.  Supporters of the 1999 Kosovo war have spread enough disinformation about the Serb 1998 counterinsurgency campaign that there is no need to cover it it up. There is a constant convultion of &#8220;ethnic cleansing&#8221; that occurred during the 1999 war with a relatively clean CI campaign conducted by the VJ against Islamic extremists that makes a Clinton cover up unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seems to be some interesting speculation going on in the media (not MSM) that besides the two instances of missing documents (terrorist camp and millenium plot) that things have gone missing from after action reports on WTC1 and Aiding of Al Queda during Bosnia/Kosovo. Seems someone is awfully interested in keeping their version of history intact.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seems to be some interesting speculation going on in the media (not MSM) that besides the two instances of missing documents (terrorist camp and millenium plot) that things have gone missing from after action reports on WTC1 and Aiding of Al Queda during Bosnia/Kosovo. Seems someone is awfully interested in keeping their version of history intact.</p>
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