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1. Allah:

This site also has the story, along with many others. I’d never heard of it until yesterday, when a reader tipped me off to it. Keep your eye on it; looks like a good one.

Aug 21, 2004 - 8:18 pm 2. julie:

No towns people would give her father money to hire an attorney? No lawyer would step forward to defend the young woman for free? Jeesh!

Aug 21, 2004 - 9:03 pm 3. John Moore ( Useful Fools ):

Tyranny is tyranny. Communist regimes killed plenty of kids also. I seem to remember that communism was considered the ultimate progressive idea in the 20th century. Pol Pot reversed the process, using children to execute the older population.

We are in a century where man is still man – flawed. Only through appropriate moral and legal structures can we minimize the damage wrought by the worst among us. Nothing has changed. Even today we are throwing out the good moral systems along with the bad ones (I am referring to religions). Again, nothing new. The French Revolutionaries did the same thing.

Tyranny requires nothing more than a collapse of civilized morality. That’s it. Let that collapse and laws don’t work because those with power don’t feel compelled to go obey or enforce the laws. Others feel nothing wrong with seeking greater power, and for the sociopaths, society has no moral weapons to keep them from the levers of power.

I find this story disgusting, revolting, painful. But the same level of inhumanity was going on on a day by day basis, with full knowledge of officers at all levels, in every communist country on earth, and still is in those that survive. Since Vietnam is in the news, the VC were committing even worse atrocities in huge numbers in the ’60s, killing 10’s of thousands of village chieftain families – starting with the kids, then disemboweling the wife, and finally killing the chieftain. In that little country, in one summer, they did this 60,000 times.

Aug 21, 2004 - 9:04 pm 4. Terrye:

How can people who call themselves liberal not want to see this change?

As a woman I can not imagine what it must be like to live in such a culture.

Aug 21, 2004 - 9:16 pm 5. asher813@aol.com:

Absolutely repulsive. Second to Terrye: it’s sad when the self-billed guardians of “human rights” care only about the rights of Americans. This is a perversion of the very concept of human rights.

Aug 21, 2004 - 10:30 pm 6. Sandy P:

–What century are we in?–

That’s still to be determined.

Aug 21, 2004 - 11:38 pm 7. ksamson:

barbaric!

Aug 21, 2004 - 11:54 pm 8. Billy Hank:

Odious.

Aug 22, 2004 - 1:40 am 9. ChimpGod:

Was she retarded too? Iran and Texas are both a shame.

Aug 22, 2004 - 2:08 am 10. Percy Dovetonsils:

I do wonder about the madness of people who see stories like this… and consider Bush the real enemy to civilization.

Sheer, utter madness.

Aug 22, 2004 - 5:16 am 11. asher813@aol.com:

Meanwhile, the mullahs are working feverishly to undermine Israel’s strategic partnerships in the region.

John Moore, thanks for the reminder about communism. Workers’ utopia, indeed.

Aug 22, 2004 - 6:51 am 12. dr. sanity:

Yes, where is the international outrage at something like this? Where is the Women’s movement? (see this link to find out their priorities):

http://www.cafepress.com/democrats2004/353815

Now look at this one to see what is possible:

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3861945

Who made the latter story possible? President Bush.

Aug 22, 2004 - 7:21 am 13. PeterUK:

The most appalling part to this is that it is Iranian law and both legally and morally they would lay claim to being in the right.The problem is how to change a system that has obtained for over fourteen hundred years? At the same time the West has willfully ignored similar practices in Saudi Arabia.

It is not sufficient merely to institute regime change,the social and cultural mores of the Middle East would have to be restructured.

This however is where we came in,it is exactly what the Islamic fundamentallists are fighting against.

It is also against the tenet of multiculturalism which grips the liberal elite.

So does the West fight the the Jihadis into oblivion, encourage less aggressive and moderate regimes where we can or do we modernise the Middle East root and branch?

I do not find the latter option plausible except in a time scale of decades,because essentially it means that the US has to pick up the imperial burden.The Middle East has always been fertile soil for prophets and knife waving fanatics centuries before Imperial Rome,the solution has always been the same,military occupation.

Aug 22, 2004 - 7:36 am 14. Howard:

Forgive me for not shedding any tears over a 12 year old girl I don’t know, never would have known, and don’t care about either way. Her death will now be used by all the usual suspects for their own agendas around the world. Lost in all this are the thousands of people tortured, jailed, executed, or exiled each year that have no cache’ for all our elites to slobber over. Like who gives a shit about a cab driver, a plumber, or a peasant? We seem to “care” about girls, women, college professors, and poets while ignoring the rest.

We face an export of Islam by force of arms and are unwilling to deal with it. We can’t kill Sadr in Iraq, wring our hands over the terrorists jailed in Guantanamo, and sit on our asses over the millions killed by Mugabe and the thugs in the Sudan.

It boils down to: killing PC people being bad, killing “non entities” not really happening.

Aug 22, 2004 - 7:47 am 15. Mark in Mexico:

What century are we in? Why, the early 20th century, of course. Two more stories on the net this morning (Google News and News Forum) about anti-Semitic attacks in France. One on a Jewish soup kitchen and in the other a Jewish community center was burned, both incidents accompanied by the requisite nazi symbolism. What’s French for “kristalnacht”?

Aug 22, 2004 - 7:57 am 16. dougf:

‘Was she retarded too? Iran and Texas are both a shame’–Chimpgod

On the basis of JUST this comment,may I say that your basic intelligence might be subject to some debate?

Aug 22, 2004 - 8:51 am 17. Charlie (Colorado):

What’s French for “kristalnacht”?

Merde.

Aug 22, 2004 - 8:56 am 18. RandMan:

Stories like this just make me sick. Hopefully our current war with Islamic fascists will, if successful in the long run, lead to political and social reform in Iran and other countries ending these types of barbarities. If this is the case then all I can do is echo Michael Ledeen and say faster, please. In the mean time, this will continue in Iran and elsewhere. Disgusting and depressing.

Aug 22, 2004 - 10:11 am 19. MeTooThen:

Howard,

Pretty cogent stuff.

There is much hypocrisy displayed by all when it comes to “Who, whom”.

In this case, a defenseless person (reportedly a 16 year old girl) was hung for having a “sharp tongue”. Here we see what Hayek referred to as the difference between the “Rule of Law” and the tyranny of “legality” when coercive and used by the totalitarian State.

And more to the point, this episode should (but will not) serve as yet another “wake-up call” to all those in this country and the EU who march along side the Islamists decrying US “hegemony, barbarity, and imperialism.”

Back to Hayek, his thesis of economic control (”Planned Economies, ie Socialism”) leading to totalitarianism, is directly paralled (and in fact, proves this axiom more powerfully) by the example of State religious control and planning leading to totalitarianism.

Whether or not to raze the shrine (or all of Fallujah and Najaf for that matter) I will leave to our military experts.

But I concede that you are right on this point, political correctness, in all its forms and ways, seems to be blind to real suffering when it is warranted, and fixated on minutae when it is both illogical and meaningless to do so.

Sigh.

Unlike you though, I’m sorry for that girl.

It doesn’t make me better, or you worse that I do, just different.

Aug 22, 2004 - 10:25 am 20. Reagan:

Chimpgod,

Please don’t insult the rest of us by comparing the death penalty to this barbaric “law.” Executing a man who rapes a young girl is nothing like executing a girl for participating in consenual premartial sex. And it’s certainly not the same as executing her for insulting the judge. Are you saying that if we found Bin Laden alive we shouldn’t execute him for his crimes?

Aug 22, 2004 - 1:50 pm 21. photoncourier.blogspot.com:

It seems to me that people who draw inappropriate moral equivalencies–such as comparing this case with the execution of murderers in Texas–bear moral responsibility for encouraging such atrocities.

Aug 22, 2004 - 6:51 pm 22. rod:

please tell me why Israel is the problem.

please tell me why exporting US values is wrong.

Please tell me why people who hang a 16 year old–a girl–for sport–deserve a seat at the world’s table.

please tell me about the numerous Op-Eds being formulated on the left to decry this tragedy.

please tell me why hurting this regime would be bad.

please tell me why there is a distinct lack of outrage in European academic and journalistic circles about the men who kill 16 year olds.

please tell me how these so-called religous leaders are any different from the SS.

Aug 22, 2004 - 7:19 pm 23. John Moore ( Useful Fools ):

The sad reality that liberals have to face is that we can’t solve all the humanitarian problems in the world – at least not quickly. Not only do we not have the resources, but we don’t know how to do it. On top of that, we would meet major resistance.

This is one reason I have been against a number of “humanitarian” missions. We tie down our military (Kosovo, any one?), maybe help but often not, and meanwhile barbarity breaks out somewhere else.

Other than my own comments, I haven’t heard here about the Genocide in southern Sudan. Currently the people’s paradise of Vietnam is carrying out a de-Christianization campaign among the Montagnaards, which is just a cover for genocide. When did you last hear about this?

Similar activities are in Myranmar. Venezuela is sliding down the slope to communist tyranny. How about mourning the opposition people recently shot to death? Their families are bereaved.

Let’s face it, the world is full of brutal regimes. It is the nature of man that can only be overridden by a complex correllation of ideas and forces.

Aug 22, 2004 - 10:21 pm 24. boz:

My dear little americans. I posted yesterday the text beyond, whitch has been removed, so I’m editing again. Which world you live in when you don’t tolerate other people’s opinion?.. Your texts reflect a very much one-sided, stereotyped, with totally lacking spontaneity, originality and individuality. Mine is not a terrorist’s opinion : just a european man’s one. If you’re indeed fat-headed enough not to allow any view that outflanks your mainstream, you’re rather far, in spite of what you write, from what we call civilisation in Holland, Germany, Switzerland or France. Even Russian people see far beyond you in what concerns society matters. So I have modified the text below deleting rude words not to shock any of you well thinking – if at all thinking – americans.

***Absolutely outstanding. This is how they deal with sluts in Iran. If there’s one thing I fully respect in iranians it is their unbendable will to preserve their root morals and wisdom. Take a minut and just think. In the West a prostitute is given full exemption of expressing her lies in a court to send any decent male citizen to prison. In islamic morals, they fully protect comely citizens from this kind of people, keeping their people away from lust and debauchery, as well as all drifts from there arising. What is our freedom about in the West when women are free to prostitute theyreselves, give me a break, is that something to be proud of. Iranian’s steadfast politics preserves them from western degeneration.

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