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		<title>By: Mike Silverman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Silverman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bDog57, I appreciate your sharing your views, but to Roger (and myself I may add), it is as self evidently just and right that gay marriage ought to be supported as it is the Islamofascism must be opposed.



I personally do not believe you are a neanderthal; I think you are a good person, who, on the issue of homosexuality are simply....mistaken.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bDog57, I appreciate your sharing your views, but to Roger (and myself I may add), it is as self evidently just and right that gay marriage ought to be supported as it is the Islamofascism must be opposed.</p>
<p>I personally do not believe you are a neanderthal; I think you are a good person, who, on the issue of homosexuality are simply&#8230;.mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to worry, Roberts.  Few outside NJ have even heard of the plethora of scandals -- and McGreevey&#039;s working hard at positioning himself for a political future, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to worry, Roberts.  Few outside NJ have even heard of the plethora of scandals &#8212; and McGreevey&#8217;s working hard at positioning himself for a political future, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Fausta, I didn&#039;t mean my comment to denigrate your postings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Fausta, I didn&#8217;t mean my comment to denigrate your postings.</p>
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		<title>By: hollywood</title>
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		<dc:creator>hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now it can be told!  http://www.borowitzreport.com/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now it can be told!  <a href="http://www.borowitzreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.borowitzreport.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/22/live-in-jersey-its-saturday-night/#comment-8825</link>
		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t miss the irony that McGreevey&#039;s stood against gay marriage
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t miss the irony that McGreevey&#8217;s stood against gay marriage</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberts, &lt;i&gt;But I&#039;m not hearing much commentary on the essential anti-democratic nature of his actions&lt;/i&gt;

I have.  In fact, I&#039;ve been running a &lt;a href=&quot;http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/conjunction-junction-countdown-11-days.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;countdown&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/resignation-countdown-12-days-before.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;total&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/corruption-junction-today-closing-barn.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;disenfranchisement&lt;/a&gt; for a week or so by now.  11 days to go.



On the subject of McG&#039;s article quoted by Roger:

&lt;i&gt;Now at peace with arguably one of the most important truths of my life,&lt;/i&gt;

One could argue that another important truth of his is holding on to power even when overwhelmed by corruption and scandal, and by doing so denying the voters the right to vote.



&lt;i&gt;it is my prayer that I will now be free to live openly and integrate my sexuality with my daily life.&lt;/i&gt;

As a former Roman Catholic (allow me to clarify that I am a former Roman Catholic because of a number of issues, including the RC position on gays), I find this offensive in three levels:

1.  injecting the &quot;prayer&quot;, he aims to portray himself as a man of faith, while

2.  obscuring the fact that he is a married man who, if he were to observe the tennents of his faith, is &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; &quot;free to live openly and integrate my sexuality with my daily life&quot; because by doing so he&#039;s committing adultery.  Were his sexuality to incline him towards supporting multiple mistresses, he&#039;d still be acting against the very faith he so much touts.

3.  Implicitly, his &quot;integrating with his daily life&quot; disregards his marital vows and disrespects the family he hides behind.  He&#039;s even said that &quot;he would stay until Nov. 15 because he could not ask his wife and young daughter to leave the governor&#039;s mansion -- their home -- on any shorter notice&quot;.



Family values as a front for disenfranchisement.  Only a NJ Democrat could cough that one up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberts, <i>But I&#8217;m not hearing much commentary on the essential anti-democratic nature of his actions</i></p>
<p>I have.  In fact, I&#8217;ve been running a <a href="http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/conjunction-junction-countdown-11-days.html" rel="nofollow">countdown</a> to <a href="http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/resignation-countdown-12-days-before.html" rel="nofollow">total</a> <a href="http://badhairblog.blogspot.com/2004/08/corruption-junction-today-closing-barn.html" rel="nofollow">disenfranchisement</a> for a week or so by now.  11 days to go.</p>
<p>On the subject of McG&#8217;s article quoted by Roger:</p>
<p><i>Now at peace with arguably one of the most important truths of my life,</i></p>
<p>One could argue that another important truth of his is holding on to power even when overwhelmed by corruption and scandal, and by doing so denying the voters the right to vote.</p>
<p><i>it is my prayer that I will now be free to live openly and integrate my sexuality with my daily life.</i></p>
<p>As a former Roman Catholic (allow me to clarify that I am a former Roman Catholic because of a number of issues, including the RC position on gays), I find this offensive in three levels:</p>
<p>1.  injecting the &#8220;prayer&#8221;, he aims to portray himself as a man of faith, while</p>
<p>2.  obscuring the fact that he is a married man who, if he were to observe the tennents of his faith, is <b>not</b> &#8220;free to live openly and integrate my sexuality with my daily life&#8221; because by doing so he&#8217;s committing adultery.  Were his sexuality to incline him towards supporting multiple mistresses, he&#8217;d still be acting against the very faith he so much touts.</p>
<p>3.  Implicitly, his &#8220;integrating with his daily life&#8221; disregards his marital vows and disrespects the family he hides behind.  He&#8217;s even said that &#8220;he would stay until Nov. 15 because he could not ask his wife and young daughter to leave the governor&#8217;s mansion &#8212; their home &#8212; on any shorter notice&#8221;.</p>
<p>Family values as a front for disenfranchisement.  Only a NJ Democrat could cough that one up.</p>
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		<title>By: bdog57</title>
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		<dc:creator>bdog57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,



Let me begin by saying that I agree that McGreevey was using his &quot;homosexuality&quot; (I&#039;d say he&#039;s bi-...he had to have sex at least twice, and enjoy it enough to impregnate) to shield him from scrutiny. I also agree that this wasn&#039;t a big step forward for the gay rights movement. Nobody wants their cause to be used for ill.



My points of disagreement comes during the following soapbox emanations:



&lt;i&gt;We have reached a point where in polite society, anti-gay is deemed Neanderthal, &lt;b&gt;as it should be&lt;/b&gt;...Gay marriage is in the air and seems inevitable in some form, again &lt;b&gt;as it should be.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;



Phew! Thanks for clearing that up. To think, if I had lived in another state and voted before you made these grand proclamations on the natural order of things, I could have been part of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/167619-4378-010.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tyranny of the majority&lt;/a&gt;!



To think, my opposition to this behavior wasn&#039;t informed by my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;religious beliefs&lt;/a&gt;, it was just uninformed (&lt;i&gt;Neanderthal?&lt;/i&gt; You can do better than that).



&lt;i&gt;Inevitable?&lt;/i&gt; You&#039;d like to think so. You didn&#039;t even post on the Missouri ban. Your primary response to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sovo.com/2004/7-30/news/national/thirteen.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;groundswell&lt;/a&gt; of support for traditional marriage has been to ignore it. This tactic has been used before, by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2004/08/the_media_is_th.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lesser individuals&lt;/a&gt;.



Look, we all have our pet causes. We all believe the things that we do (strongly, I might add) because of our experiences and what we have been taught. To paint a large swath of the populace as a bunch of large-foreheaded, slouchy, uncontrollable droolers who oppose your illuminated cause is something I would expect from a MSM news account. I just think that this kind of thing is beneath you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Let me begin by saying that I agree that McGreevey was using his &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; (I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s bi-&#8230;he had to have sex at least twice, and enjoy it enough to impregnate) to shield him from scrutiny. I also agree that this wasn&#8217;t a big step forward for the gay rights movement. Nobody wants their cause to be used for ill.</p>
<p>My points of disagreement comes during the following soapbox emanations:</p>
<p><i>We have reached a point where in polite society, anti-gay is deemed Neanderthal, <b>as it should be</b>&#8230;Gay marriage is in the air and seems inevitable in some form, again <b>as it should be.</b></i></p>
<p>Phew! Thanks for clearing that up. To think, if I had lived in another state and voted before you made these grand proclamations on the natural order of things, I could have been part of the <a href="http://www.indystar.com/articles/8/167619-4378-010.html" rel="nofollow">tyranny of the majority</a>!</p>
<p>To think, my opposition to this behavior wasn&#8217;t informed by my <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html" rel="nofollow">religious beliefs</a>, it was just uninformed (<i>Neanderthal?</i> You can do better than that).</p>
<p><i>Inevitable?</i> You&#8217;d like to think so. You didn&#8217;t even post on the Missouri ban. Your primary response to the <a href="http://www.sovo.com/2004/7-30/news/national/thirteen.cfm" rel="nofollow">groundswell</a> of support for traditional marriage has been to ignore it. This tactic has been used before, by <a href="http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2004/08/the_media_is_th.php" rel="nofollow">lesser individuals</a>.</p>
<p>Look, we all have our pet causes. We all believe the things that we do (strongly, I might add) because of our experiences and what we have been taught. To paint a large swath of the populace as a bunch of large-foreheaded, slouchy, uncontrollable droolers who oppose your illuminated cause is something I would expect from a MSM news account. I just think that this kind of thing is beneath you.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My youngest brother is gay and is so pissed off at Governor McGreevey, his cynical use of Gay Right&#039;s, and his obvious attempt to hide his corrupt and perhaps even predatory behaviour behind such rights, that he is just beside himself.  According to him this will hurt and not help the gay cause. (no kidding!)



&lt;i&gt;&quot;Corrupt members of the Gay Communtity who use Civil Right&#039;s arguments as a personal shield to hide behind, especially when dealing with issues that have nothing to do with these right&#039;s along with a &quot;f-----g&quot; stupid liberal press that immediately starts toting the &quot;G-d D--n&quot; politically correct line, do more harm to my cause then any Christian Conservative could ever do.  F-----g Idiots!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



These are words spoken by him and I concur.



But I must add that he is one of only two family members besides myself that will vote for Bush (My Father in Law who lives in New Jersey and works in NYC is the other, he hasn&#039;t forgot 9/11 and is what I would call an &quot;Ed Koch&quot; Democrat, very liberal, very Jewish but also very realistic about the state of this world we live in.  My brother is pretty damn level headed, in fact a hell of a lot more level headed then many in this world that would call him a &quot;flake&quot;, that&#039;s for sure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My youngest brother is gay and is so pissed off at Governor McGreevey, his cynical use of Gay Right&#8217;s, and his obvious attempt to hide his corrupt and perhaps even predatory behaviour behind such rights, that he is just beside himself.  According to him this will hurt and not help the gay cause. (no kidding!)</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Corrupt members of the Gay Communtity who use Civil Right&#8217;s arguments as a personal shield to hide behind, especially when dealing with issues that have nothing to do with these right&#8217;s along with a &#8220;f&#8212;&#8211;g&#8221; stupid liberal press that immediately starts toting the &#8220;G-d D&#8211;n&#8221; politically correct line, do more harm to my cause then any Christian Conservative could ever do.  F&#8212;&#8211;g Idiots!&#8221;</i></p>
<p>These are words spoken by him and I concur.</p>
<p>But I must add that he is one of only two family members besides myself that will vote for Bush (My Father in Law who lives in New Jersey and works in NYC is the other, he hasn&#8217;t forgot 9/11 and is what I would call an &#8220;Ed Koch&#8221; Democrat, very liberal, very Jewish but also very realistic about the state of this world we live in.  My brother is pretty damn level headed, in fact a hell of a lot more level headed then many in this world that would call him a &#8220;flake&#8221;, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to know that it doesnt matter if one is straight or gay...their CROOKEDNESS can and should trump their lifestyle preferences.

It is my hope that the good people of New Jersey (Democrats and Republicans, whites, blacks, hispanics, men and women, straights AND gays) will raise their voices in righteous wrath and demand McGreevey&#039;s immediate resignation. If they don&#039;t...then they deserve the government they have now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to know that it doesnt matter if one is straight or gay&#8230;their CROOKEDNESS can and should trump their lifestyle preferences.</p>
<p>It is my hope that the good people of New Jersey (Democrats and Republicans, whites, blacks, hispanics, men and women, straights AND gays) will raise their voices in righteous wrath and demand McGreevey&#8217;s immediate resignation. If they don&#8217;t&#8230;then they deserve the government they have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Godzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Godzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2004 02:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a thread going on Little Green Footballs on this. If you go to the Protest Warrior site, it looks like it&#039;s running, but try any of the links for loging in (or any in that menu) and you&#039;ll get an error warnings. They are working to enhance the security now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a thread going on Little Green Footballs on this. If you go to the Protest Warrior site, it looks like it&#8217;s running, but try any of the links for loging in (or any in that menu) and you&#8217;ll get an error warnings. They are working to enhance the security now.</p>
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