Do the hooligans truly think they’re going to heaven themselves?

What a warped spirituality: producing fools capable of believing the rape victim will be outside of God’s mercy, and they, the rapists, are in it.

What does peaceful coexistence, containment, mean in a context like this?

I think you are right on the money. For those interested in Saddam and WMD see our site at:

http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=979

My guess is Israel has the tacit green light to take out Iran’s nuclear capability if at anytime it feels threatened before the election. Probably this time as opposed to the last in Iraq, it will require some ground forces to secure the sites and then blow them up et al. The Iranians learned from the Iraqi mistakes and have dispersed their program and hardened the sites.

After the election whether President Bush is relected or not, the US will act if it becomes necessary and President Bush will take the heat.

So you see the smart solution is to do what the Free Iran movement and Mr. Simon have suggested all along and that is a regime change in Iran by the people with the world’s support.

One thing I learned recently is tha most Iranians consider themselves Persians as opposed to Arabian from where this latest manifestation of Islamofascism arose.

Ron Wright, Moderator

HSPIG Forums Site

http://www.hspig.org

Anyway, I think part of the trouble is that a first term president always has to worry about being re-elected. So they try not to do too much, for fear of a public backlash. That’s part of the reason the first Bush didn’t finish Saddam off (along with keeping the “Coalition” intact), but in doing so, he probably caused his loss. The same could very well happen here.

The whole war was not just about Iraq having WMD, but a variety of issues, including WMD development programs.

Bush was right about everything except the WMD stockpiles (we’ve found enough evidence that the weapons programs were continuing, in violation of the cease-fire signed at the end of the first Gulf War), and many think the stockpiles were actually moved to Syria.

But the media never mentions that.

If he wanted to do something against Iran or N. Korea, he couldn’t, because he would immediately be attacked in the press as using the action to help him win the election.

Until the election, he’s basically powerless to due anything.

Here’s an except of a post I recently sent re this “enlightened” religion and culture that condones this barbaric treatment of women.

I too question where are the women of the world who can force world governments to focus their attention on this Islamofascist theocracy stuck in the 12th century.

I suggest we “spam” all the talkshows that focus on womens’ issues to get this message out. Obviously the media as we know it is ignoring these issues. Fortunately the Net and the Blogosphere are making the media irrelevant.

Ron Wright, Moderator

HSPIG forums site

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Also see a piece from Free Iran now running on Roger Simon’s blog on the mullahs hanging a 16 year old female for essentially having sex with her boyfriend. Roger asks rightly so, “What century are we in?” The boy only got lashes. Go figure. No discrimination here!

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2004/08/another_public.php

Where’s the women libers when you need them? They have been awful quiet lately on something (Islamofascism) that should be shocking to the conscious of everyone. The Iranian ruling Islamofascist theocracy has got to go and other Islamic fascist regimes that support these 12th Century practices too.

FREE IRAN! Bloggers of the world time to unite and bring the world’s attenton to this little corner of the world. These fascist regimes will implode under the light of the free world.

I think it’s time to take this mainstream and bypass the media who are not reporting these atrocities. Let’s take it to Oprah.

The women of the world have a very important role in winning this War On Terror aka War On Islamofascism.

I think Oprah Winfrey should make this a special project. Let’ spam her in boxes and demand action!

Email the show at:

https://www.oprah.com/plugger/templates/BeOnTheShow.jhtml?action=respond&plugId=B2100004

or need a Harpo Hookup:

https://www.oprah.com/plugger/templates/BeOnTheShow.jhtml?action=respond&plugId=D55300002

or her magazine:

http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/omag_contrib.jhtml

Here’s several boring pieces on our site on the dangers the world is now facing from Islamofascism. These could be the source of some real questions to challenge the candidates in this year’s presidential election instead of the usual grabage the media is reporting back and forth!

THE WAR ON TERRORISM – A War of Ideas

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1000

GEO-POLITICAL STRATEGIC ANALYSIS ON WAR ON TERROR

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1063

FREEDOM – Thx to The Greatest Generation for Preserving It

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1139

Americans don?t often get the right picture out of Iraq.

http://hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1237

This would be good for the world too. Various sources estimate that Iran will achieve nuclear capability next year either in the spring or later depending on who you believe. the strategic consequences of this are unimaginable. They just don’t have a delivery vehicle just yet but I’m sure they are working with the North Koreans to get one.

Ron Wright, Moderator

HSPIG Forums Site

http://www.hspig.org

It is the irony of history that in the land of Cyrus The Great, the birthplace of the first charter of the “Rights of Nations” and the “Declaration of Human Rights” over 2500 years ago; there is today no respect for human and civil rights by the Islamic regime. Unfortunately, present day Iran is ruled by a small group of Islamic Mafia Clerics who are the embodiment of evil and have no respect for Human Rights in the land of Cyrus The Great which is the birthplace of Darius The Great, Babak, Razi (Rhazes), Avicenna (Ibn Sina), Ferdowsi, Khayyam, Hafaz, Saadi and Rumi.

Let me start my comments in response other posts in this thread regarding Bush Admin policy and election with recent statement from Dr. Michael Ledeen great American Scholar with deep knowledge about Iran in his article The Terror Masters Revisited :

“We defeated the Soviet Empire at a time when only a small minority of the people was willing to fight for freedom. We overthrew Milosevic with a minority of the Yugoslavs. In Iran we have upwards of 70 percent of the people on our side. If we supported them, I think it quite likely that we could liberate Iran in a matter of a few months. And if Iran falls, Syria will most likely come right alongside.

If we do not quickly expose the vulnerability of mullahs and empower the Iranian people, I believe the next few months in Iraq will, if Tehran has its way, be bloodier than anything we have seen to date. Not to mention the planned attacks against us here at home.”

I believe President Bush has the power and ability to change the regime in Iran before Election with minimum bloodshed if Bush Admin follows a correct strategy and listen to American scholar like Dr. Michael Ledeen not Armitage. Greatness is not achieved by words but by hard work, difficult choices, actions and sacrifice. It takes more than intellect and general knowledge to make a leader ethical and moral. It takes courage and ethics. Certainly evolution’s path towards greatness is not easy. The problem before us is how can courage and ethics be concentrated so that society can create ethical men, women and leaders.

If the Islamist Mafia Regime in Iran stay in power President Bush will not have good argument regarding the War on Terror and most probably will not be elected.

I wrote this piece over a year ago, before the big created mess in Iraq by British government and Mullahs and killing of many freedom loving young American soldiers as a greatest liberator of our time in past 50 years. If I could have predicted this as a professional engineer which is not my full time job how come the high paid top U.S. government officials in U.S. state Dept. and our Congress did not see this? We have every right to be angry at England the so called great allay of USA in past 40 years.

BBC Persian World Service Reported (6/10/03) Jack Straw is Against Regime Change In Iran

Please Watch Jack, He Is Dangerous

Jack is secretly planning and plotting against the new progressive freedom loving US foreign policy towards developing countries and also Mr. Jack is trying very hard to keep Islamic Mafia Terrorists regime in power. Jack is hiding behind Islamic fanatics to weaken US as the only progressive Super power, please watch Jack. In past 50 years Britain by providing misinformation regarding critical matters to key US decision makers created a bad image for USA in the middle east. Key British foreign policy decision makers always acted as the best US friend and stabbed US from the back. If US is not be careful Britain will create a big trap for US in Iraq. Sophisticated Iranian politicians should watch British move in both Iran and Iraq and help US decision maker.

It is not surprising Britain will continue to support Islamic Mafia regime with the record of over 120,000 of political executions and prisoners, killing 3 former Iran’s Prime Ministers, many former Iranian Generals and ministers, cutting hands for stealing a bag of rice while Ayatollahs in Iran stealing by billions with the help of British, French and Swiss bankers, the rape and execution of young girls in prison, the stoning of women, the loss of social freedoms, the theft of billions of dollars by Rafsanjani , SS Clergymen and his terror Mafia gangs, a massive exodus of Iranian refugees throughout the world, the hostage crisis, and the demise of a 200 year old friendship between Iran and US. Jack Straw is biggest hidden enemy of US and biggest supporter of Islamic Mafia. Please ask your US senators to investigate the secret British links to Islamic terrorists, past 50 years of providing misinformation regarding critical matters and their hidden agenda against US and Iran. Is Britain the friend of US or hidden secret enemy of US, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? Is Britain the hidden secret enemy of Iran’s freedom? When Britain is planning to stop their Evil and Terrorist acts in Iran and other developing countries? Will Bush Admin stop British Evil acts? Please ask Tony Blair to fire this evil man ‚ÄúJack Straw‚Äù.

If you are interested to know more about my world view as an engineer please read :

Sept 11 Strategic Inflection Point For New World Order (http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3584)

I don’t think we know the inside of this, Thibaud. At all.

You’re probably right, Roger. But I think a bit more glasnost about our Iran policy from our betters in Washington is long overdue. This country has been blindsided and baffled again and again by the Iranians for some twenty-five years now, and it’s no longer funny.

The games our diplomats and NSC people have been playing–delivering birthday cakes, sending helicopters across the desert, making nice to Iran at soccer matches, etc– are not working. Directly and through proxies, Iran continues to attack our people, our installations, our allies in Iraq and Afghanistan. As much as we’re desperate to avoid the label, this is war– a cold war but war nonetheless.

At a minimum this country deserves a serious, lengthy debate about this cold war with a soon-to-be-nuclear power. Not as important as revisiting Vietnam, mind you, but I think it’s worth a nod or two between now and election.

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