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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry:



This response is late but you have hit the nail on the head. The Islamo fascists do believe that they can not co-exist next to the western world. Any talk of negotiation or mutual understanding is useless because they have a firm belief that there worldview cannot survive as long as the western world exists. It is their way or nothing. When Lenin and his small band of cronies took over Russia they sytated from the start that communism and capitalism cannot co-exist in the same world together. They started their policy of &quot;Neither peace nor war&quot;, which was a system of constant struggle until capitalism was eliminated. They knew they would make noises about peace but that was only to get breathing space ubtil the next battle could be fought. The Islamo-Fascists think the same way. We need to wake up and smell the coffee.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry:</p>
<p>This response is late but you have hit the nail on the head. The Islamo fascists do believe that they can not co-exist next to the western world. Any talk of negotiation or mutual understanding is useless because they have a firm belief that there worldview cannot survive as long as the western world exists. It is their way or nothing. When Lenin and his small band of cronies took over Russia they sytated from the start that communism and capitalism cannot co-exist in the same world together. They started their policy of &#8220;Neither peace nor war&#8221;, which was a system of constant struggle until capitalism was eliminated. They knew they would make noises about peace but that was only to get breathing space ubtil the next battle could be fought. The Islamo-Fascists think the same way. We need to wake up and smell the coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you&#039;re one of the least self-righteous and offensive people I&#039;ve ever seen post :-)&lt;/i&gt;



Now wait a minute.  I&#039;m not offensive.  Goddamnit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you&#8217;re one of the least self-righteous and offensive people I&#8217;ve ever seen post <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </i></p>
<p>Now wait a minute.  I&#8217;m not offensive.  Goddamnit.</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaime Irons ó After I saw my first &quot;Women Against the Shah&quot; march in NYC in the 70&#039;s, I knew the Western feminism movement cared nothing for women of color around the world.



After Hillary trumpeted the success of the &quot;Women&#039;s Conference&quot; she attended in China, a conference not one Chinese woman was permitted to attend, I knew nothing had changed in thirty years...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaime Irons ó After I saw my first &#8220;Women Against the Shah&#8221; march in NYC in the 70&#8217;s, I knew the Western feminism movement cared nothing for women of color around the world.</p>
<p>After Hillary trumpeted the success of the &#8220;Women&#8217;s Conference&#8221; she attended in China, a conference not one Chinese woman was permitted to attend, I knew nothing had changed in thirty years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002434.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Islam learns... &lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, <a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002434.php#comments" rel="nofollow"> Islam learns&#8230; </a></p>
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		<title>By: lindenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mother4sep04,1,819031.story?coll=la-home-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the actual LATimes article.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mother4sep04,1,819031.story?coll=la-home-headlines" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the actual LATimes article.</a></p>
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		<title>By: lindenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update on the Sophie&#039;s Choice mother.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/9579164.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Her daughter&#039;s alive!&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on the Sophie&#8217;s Choice mother.  <a href="http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/9579164.htm" rel="nofollow">Her daughter&#8217;s alive!</a></p>
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		<title>By: MeTooThen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MeTooThen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 03:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;rod&lt;/b&gt;,



Wow.



And this:



Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12457_Russian_School_Hostage_Update&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LGF&lt;/a&gt;:



&lt;em&gt;&quot;...According to one of the hostages terrorists raped some older students.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;



It has been said that we a people, or as a generation, have become &quot;desensitized&quot; to the horrors that are the now, routine, mass murders at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists.



If the West as a Civilization, does not, or cannot, respond to this atrocity with the utmost &lt;em&gt;fury&lt;/em&gt; and determination to stop terrorism at its source, then we will have failed all previous and future generations to protect what has been given us.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>rod</b>,</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>And this:</p>
<p>Via <a href="http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12457_Russian_School_Hostage_Update" rel="nofollow">LGF</a>:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;According to one of the hostages terrorists raped some older students.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It has been said that we a people, or as a generation, have become &#8220;desensitized&#8221; to the horrors that are the now, routine, mass murders at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists.</p>
<p>If the West as a Civilization, does not, or cannot, respond to this atrocity with the utmost <em>fury</em> and determination to stop terrorism at its source, then we will have failed all previous and future generations to protect what has been given us.</p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 23:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Golda Meir pegged it those many years ago, &#039;There will be no peace in the Middle East until the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.&#039;&quot;



A very good point, but that is only the beginning of a chance of peace.  There will actually be peace only when the Arabs cease to hate.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Golda Meir pegged it those many years ago, &#8216;There will be no peace in the Middle East until the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>A very good point, but that is only the beginning of a chance of peace.  There will actually be peace only when the Arabs cease to hate.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between work, the world cup of hockey and Golf I have undoubtedly missed the bulk of this discussion.  However, I would like to make a few observations on expected aftermath of the Islamicist attack in Russia.



First, the Isalmic world has it sights set on destroying the major powers of its cultural rivals.  Right now it has targeted Bzantine Civilization (Russia), the center of Latin Civilization (the Anglosphere led by the US) and Hindu civilization (India).  It is important that these three nations must come together and coordinate a common defense of our respective cultures.



Second, Western Europe and its EU members are  hopelessly lost in the struggle.  The only nations on the continent that truly understand what is at state are the Byzantine States in Southern Europe (Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania).



Third, our own self-generated mythology of the 1990&#039;s Balkan War stand in our way to understanding what was going on in the Balkans after the breakup of Yugoslavia.  The media and cultural elites created an Oppressor-Victim model to label the Serbs as evil while the poor saintly Muslims were under attack.  In reality, the Serbs (and the Croats as well) understood that the Bosnians wished to create a Sharia based Muslim state which placed the Bosnian Serb and Croat populations under their control with dhimii status.  The Albanians were either Muslim nacro-terrorists or Radical Islamicists.  What we are just beginning to understand in the West is what the Serbs understood through years of cultural experience.  Islam is deadly to other cultures.



Fourth if we are to survive this struggle we will eventually have to take the some of the same kind of measures that the Serbs did against the Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims.  This is a zero sum game.  The alternative is to see our cultures slowly subverted and  destroyed by the nihilistic forces of radical Islam.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between work, the world cup of hockey and Golf I have undoubtedly missed the bulk of this discussion.  However, I would like to make a few observations on expected aftermath of the Islamicist attack in Russia.</p>
<p>First, the Isalmic world has it sights set on destroying the major powers of its cultural rivals.  Right now it has targeted Bzantine Civilization (Russia), the center of Latin Civilization (the Anglosphere led by the US) and Hindu civilization (India).  It is important that these three nations must come together and coordinate a common defense of our respective cultures.</p>
<p>Second, Western Europe and its EU members are  hopelessly lost in the struggle.  The only nations on the continent that truly understand what is at state are the Byzantine States in Southern Europe (Serbia, Bulgaria and Romania).</p>
<p>Third, our own self-generated mythology of the 1990&#8217;s Balkan War stand in our way to understanding what was going on in the Balkans after the breakup of Yugoslavia.  The media and cultural elites created an Oppressor-Victim model to label the Serbs as evil while the poor saintly Muslims were under attack.  In reality, the Serbs (and the Croats as well) understood that the Bosnians wished to create a Sharia based Muslim state which placed the Bosnian Serb and Croat populations under their control with dhimii status.  The Albanians were either Muslim nacro-terrorists or Radical Islamicists.  What we are just beginning to understand in the West is what the Serbs understood through years of cultural experience.  Islam is deadly to other cultures.</p>
<p>Fourth if we are to survive this struggle we will eventually have to take the some of the same kind of measures that the Serbs did against the Bosnian and Kosovar Muslims.  This is a zero sum game.  The alternative is to see our cultures slowly subverted and  destroyed by the nihilistic forces of radical Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie Irons to Ambisinistral



&quot;I like your analysis, and I hope you&#039;re right. What you say about the curious ambivalence of the passive Muslims to the murderous ones is suggestive and intriguing.&quot;



Yes.



However, I have one word (name) to bring us back to reality when we speak of muslims or Islam.



&lt;b&gt;Omar&lt;/b&gt;



Have we learned nothing from the lessons of Iraq? A free people now, the majority of whom want NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL ISLAM.



If we can free Syria do you think it would be any different for the majority of Syrians?



The same with the Iranians! And I suspect the Saudi&#039;s as well. Even Pakistan!



When we cry out against the supposed apathy of the &#039;moderate&#039; muslim, we never take into account the fact that so many do not live in a free society with a free press and exchange of ideas that we take for granted.



Unfortunately the liberation of these people will pit them against the extremists in their midst and the bloodshed will be deadly. I think this is what the world is justifiably afraid of.

But it has to happen.



Liberty Century!




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie Irons to Ambisinistral</p>
<p>&#8220;I like your analysis, and I hope you&#8217;re right. What you say about the curious ambivalence of the passive Muslims to the murderous ones is suggestive and intriguing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>However, I have one word (name) to bring us back to reality when we speak of muslims or Islam.</p>
<p><b>Omar</b></p>
<p>Have we learned nothing from the lessons of Iraq? A free people now, the majority of whom want NOTHING TO DO WITH RADICAL ISLAM.</p>
<p>If we can free Syria do you think it would be any different for the majority of Syrians?</p>
<p>The same with the Iranians! And I suspect the Saudi&#8217;s as well. Even Pakistan!</p>
<p>When we cry out against the supposed apathy of the &#8216;moderate&#8217; muslim, we never take into account the fact that so many do not live in a free society with a free press and exchange of ideas that we take for granted.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the liberation of these people will pit them against the extremists in their midst and the bloodshed will be deadly. I think this is what the world is justifiably afraid of.</p>
<p>But it has to happen.</p>
<p>Liberty Century!</p>
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