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		<title>By: Mike G in San Diego</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/22/this-is-the-army-mr-jones/#comment-17026</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike G in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2004 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TmjUtah wrote:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I liked &quot;Hunting for Hippies&quot;, from the same collection as &quot;Phred&quot;.



I don&#039;t remember the characters, but it was a father and son out in a wheat field...dad in plaid jacket carrying a double barrel shotgun. I paraphrase:



&quot;O.K. boy, call &#039;em in, just like I showed you.&quot;



Son cradles hands around mouth - &quot;Socialized Healthcare! Food Stamps Here, Today Only! We have cheese!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



I believe that was from an early &quot;Bloom County&quot; strip.  I think it&#039;s in the first Bloom County collection, &quot;Loose Tails.&quot;  Milo and the Major are out huntin&#039; liberals ...



&quot;Winged one!&quot;  &lt;i&gt;&quot;Socialized medicine! Socialized medicine!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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<blockquote><p>I liked &#8220;Hunting for Hippies&#8221;, from the same collection as &#8220;Phred&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the characters, but it was a father and son out in a wheat field&#8230;dad in plaid jacket carrying a double barrel shotgun. I paraphrase:</p>
<p>&#8220;O.K. boy, call &#8216;em in, just like I showed you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Son cradles hands around mouth &#8211; &#8220;Socialized Healthcare! Food Stamps Here, Today Only! We have cheese!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I believe that was from an early &#8220;Bloom County&#8221; strip.  I think it&#8217;s in the first Bloom County collection, &#8220;Loose Tails.&#8221;  Milo and the Major are out huntin&#8217; liberals &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Winged one!&#8221;  <i>&#8220;Socialized medicine! Socialized medicine!&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mork, you have characterized Afghanistan and Iraq as abject disasters from the first of yours I ever read.&lt;/i&gt;



Really? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever said that Afghanistan was a disaster.  In fact, I basically regard it as an overwhelming success (apart from the screw-up in Tora Bora) the benefit of which is now being pissed away through inattention.



Likewise, you can&#039;t have been reading me too long on Iraq, because I supported the war before it started, and for some time after.  But when the facts change, so do my opinions.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mork, you have characterized Afghanistan and Iraq as abject disasters from the first of yours I ever read.</i></p>
<p>Really? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever said that Afghanistan was a disaster.  In fact, I basically regard it as an overwhelming success (apart from the screw-up in Tora Bora) the benefit of which is now being pissed away through inattention.</p>
<p>Likewise, you can&#8217;t have been reading me too long on Iraq, because I supported the war before it started, and for some time after.  But when the facts change, so do my opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mork: &quot;As Iraq proves, our involvment in any regime change in the middle east guarantees that the new regime will face a violent and widespread internal opposition.&quot;



The opposition is neither widespread nor popular. It is isolated to a small set of areas, as any close look at the facts will confirm. As for popularity, consider that Iraqis have been the target of the majority of the violence. Committing violence against your own fellows tends to make you less, not more, popular--or is that truly a difficult concept?



The people of Iraq understand what is happening. And THEY KNOW WHO THE BAD GUYS ARE!



There are millions of talented, hard-working, peace-loving people in Iraq who are motivated to defeating the terrorists, getting their government going, and getting on with life. These are normal, sane desires that very nearly everyone shares.



You give the Iraqis absolutely no credit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mork: &#8220;As Iraq proves, our involvment in any regime change in the middle east guarantees that the new regime will face a violent and widespread internal opposition.&#8221;</p>
<p>The opposition is neither widespread nor popular. It is isolated to a small set of areas, as any close look at the facts will confirm. As for popularity, consider that Iraqis have been the target of the majority of the violence. Committing violence against your own fellows tends to make you less, not more, popular&#8211;or is that truly a difficult concept?</p>
<p>The people of Iraq understand what is happening. And THEY KNOW WHO THE BAD GUYS ARE!</p>
<p>There are millions of talented, hard-working, peace-loving people in Iraq who are motivated to defeating the terrorists, getting their government going, and getting on with life. These are normal, sane desires that very nearly everyone shares.</p>
<p>You give the Iraqis absolutely no credit.</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least Kerry is consistent about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002599.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; one thing... &lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least Kerry is consistent about <a href="http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002599.php#comments" rel="nofollow"> one thing&#8230; </a></p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mork -



Please check out &lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Instapundit&#039;s 0804 post.



You also said



&lt;i&gt;&quot;Come on, you think the Syrians have been sleeping for the last two years? Don&#039;t you think that they&#039;ve worked out that the way to beat an American incursion is to disperse and wait for the occupation and then fight a guerilla campaign?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;



I doubt that the Syrians have been sleeping much myself.  They&#039;ve worked out that if the Americans stay in Iraq, the Baathist regime in Damascus will end sooner rather than later. That&#039;s why hundreds of Syrian and Palestinians have been shuttled across the border to foment inusrgency in Iraq.



Those guys aren&#039;t coming home. They have died in Fallujah and Najaf and Sadr City by the hundreds, and by all accounts the pace has picked up markedly in the last three days.



Yet the Bush administration remains almost silent on the issue of foreign fighters.  Could it be that they see it as a situation where they can deal with them now in Iraq vice having to chase them across the mideast?



Mork, you have characterized Afghanistan and Iraq as abject disasters from the first of yours I ever read.  I believe we are on a timeline that hasn&#039;t played out yet.  We must agree to disagree, I guess.



2005 is going to be a good year for freedom.  It&#039;s going to be noisy and truncated for Syria, and possibly even Iran.  New Year&#039;s Day for them comes on November 3d this year.  And they know it.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mork -</p>
<p>Please check out <a / rel="nofollow">Instapundit&#8217;s 0804 post.</p>
<p>You also said</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Come on, you think the Syrians have been sleeping for the last two years? Don&#8217;t you think that they&#8217;ve worked out that the way to beat an American incursion is to disperse and wait for the occupation and then fight a guerilla campaign?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I doubt that the Syrians have been sleeping much myself.  They&#8217;ve worked out that if the Americans stay in Iraq, the Baathist regime in Damascus will end sooner rather than later. That&#8217;s why hundreds of Syrian and Palestinians have been shuttled across the border to foment inusrgency in Iraq.</p>
<p>Those guys aren&#8217;t coming home. They have died in Fallujah and Najaf and Sadr City by the hundreds, and by all accounts the pace has picked up markedly in the last three days.</p>
<p>Yet the Bush administration remains almost silent on the issue of foreign fighters.  Could it be that they see it as a situation where they can deal with them now in Iraq vice having to chase them across the mideast?</p>
<p>Mork, you have characterized Afghanistan and Iraq as abject disasters from the first of yours I ever read.  I believe we are on a timeline that hasn&#8217;t played out yet.  We must agree to disagree, I guess.</p>
<p>2005 is going to be a good year for freedom.  It&#8217;s going to be noisy and truncated for Syria, and possibly even Iran.  New Year&#8217;s Day for them comes on November 3d this year.  And they know it.</a></p>
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		<title>By: mwalls</title>
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		<dc:creator>mwalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mork:

Using a big armored raid, there is no occupation, no guerilla campaign.  What the mission profile looks like is a tradition mafia hit job.  As far as how to defense it, you&#039;re assuming a much higher skill level than the Syrians have ever shown.  And if we want to really screw them over, we support &amp; arm the Syrian Kurds.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mork:</p>
<p>Using a big armored raid, there is no occupation, no guerilla campaign.  What the mission profile looks like is a tradition mafia hit job.  As far as how to defense it, you&#8217;re assuming a much higher skill level than the Syrians have ever shown.  And if we want to really screw them over, we support &amp; arm the Syrian Kurds.</p>
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		<title>By: Tongue Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tongue Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the hits just keep on comin&#039; for the Chimpler:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/politics/campaign/23ads.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Medium who channels stillborn children says Chimpy McHalliburton laughs at American deaths in Iraq&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (registration required. see last paragraph of story.)



&lt;i&gt;28 Days&lt;/i&gt; was certainly prophetic, wasn&#039;t it? Moore&#039;s Disease is spreading like wildfire.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the hits just keep on comin&#8217; for the Chimpler:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/23/politics/campaign/23ads.html" rel="nofollow">Medium who channels stillborn children says Chimpy McHalliburton laughs at American deaths in Iraq&#8221;</a> (registration required. see last paragraph of story.)</p>
<p><i>28 Days</i> was certainly prophetic, wasn&#8217;t it? Moore&#8217;s Disease is spreading like wildfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The US military could do anything to Syria that needs doing with a heavy division+ launching out of Iraq, given adequate air support. This would be a huge armoured raid - think Thunder Run writ large, with maybe a diversionary landing by the Marines in the Med. It wouldn&#039;t be an occupation - rather an old-style punitive raid designed to bring the Syrian forces out into the open where they can be dealt with appropriately. &lt;/i&gt;



Come on, you think the Syrians have been sleeping for the last two years?  Don&#039;t you think that they&#039;ve worked out that the way to beat an American incursion is to disperse and wait for the occupation and then fight a guerilla campaign?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The US military could do anything to Syria that needs doing with a heavy division+ launching out of Iraq, given adequate air support. This would be a huge armoured raid &#8211; think Thunder Run writ large, with maybe a diversionary landing by the Marines in the Med. It wouldn&#8217;t be an occupation &#8211; rather an old-style punitive raid designed to bring the Syrian forces out into the open where they can be dealt with appropriately. </i></p>
<p>Come on, you think the Syrians have been sleeping for the last two years?  Don&#8217;t you think that they&#8217;ve worked out that the way to beat an American incursion is to disperse and wait for the occupation and then fight a guerilla campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: holdfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>holdfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mork:



The US military could do anything to Syria that needs doing with a heavy division+ launching out of Iraq, given adequate air support.  This would be a huge armoured raid - think Thunder Run writ large, with maybe a diversionary landing by the Marines in the Med.  It wouldn&#039;t be an occupation - rather an old-style punitive raid designed to bring the Syrian forces out into the open where they can be dealt with appropriately.  If the place  becomes even more of a cesspool afterwards, who cares?  It&#039;s not like Iraq - not heavily industrilized, not a historical center of Middle East/Arab power, no oil for Dick Cheney, not central and now essentially surrounded by Iraq, Turkey and Israel.



Iran - the worst thing that America  could do there would be to put large numbers of boots on the ground.  Spec Ops, money and propoganda are the best weapons in that theatre - accompanied by precision air strikes if absolutely necessary.  The most important thing in the near term is to bribe, bully, whatever Russia into cutting off their nuke supplies.  Sadly, Beslan may help with this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mork:</p>
<p>The US military could do anything to Syria that needs doing with a heavy division+ launching out of Iraq, given adequate air support.  This would be a huge armoured raid &#8211; think Thunder Run writ large, with maybe a diversionary landing by the Marines in the Med.  It wouldn&#8217;t be an occupation &#8211; rather an old-style punitive raid designed to bring the Syrian forces out into the open where they can be dealt with appropriately.  If the place  becomes even more of a cesspool afterwards, who cares?  It&#8217;s not like Iraq &#8211; not heavily industrilized, not a historical center of Middle East/Arab power, no oil for Dick Cheney, not central and now essentially surrounded by Iraq, Turkey and Israel.</p>
<p>Iran &#8211; the worst thing that America  could do there would be to put large numbers of boots on the ground.  Spec Ops, money and propoganda are the best weapons in that theatre &#8211; accompanied by precision air strikes if absolutely necessary.  The most important thing in the near term is to bribe, bully, whatever Russia into cutting off their nuke supplies.  Sadly, Beslan may help with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Mork&lt;/b&gt;



Such an analyst you are:



&quot;but the immediate issue is not that there is internicine warfare that we can&#039;t control, but that &lt;b&gt;two of these three groups actively and violently resist&lt;/b&gt; the American presence.&quot;



It should read &lt;b&gt;some members of two of these three groups. At least be responsible in your supposed statements of fact. You also conveniently leave out the fact that Iraqi&#039;s are still signing up to fight with us even after the multitude of attacks against them.



Sure, there would be resistance to us wherever we might go. And that means..what? That we should give up our ambitions of winning this thing? My gawd, some people oppose us and terrorists are pouring into Iraq! Oh me oh my. We can&#039;t go anywhere without resistance! It&#039;s futile!



Doesn&#039;t it mean anything to people like you that we are now seeing the face of the enemy, and learning how he operates? And how important it is to him that his land of jihad be defended? Did you even read Zarqawi&#039;s memo? Would you rather be surprised at some future time when an administration with no experience fighting these guys is left with no choice but to take them on wherever that may be? What a shock that would be.



The bottom line is I&#039;d rather the fighting occurs in Iraq than here. Anywhere in the Middle East, in fact, rather than here. Keep them busy. Very very busy.







&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mork</b></p>
<p>Such an analyst you are:</p>
<p>&#8220;but the immediate issue is not that there is internicine warfare that we can&#8217;t control, but that <b>two of these three groups actively and violently resist</b> the American presence.&#8221;</p>
<p>It should read <b>some members of two of these three groups. At least be responsible in your supposed statements of fact. You also conveniently leave out the fact that Iraqi&#8217;s are still signing up to fight with us even after the multitude of attacks against them.</p>
<p>Sure, there would be resistance to us wherever we might go. And that means..what? That we should give up our ambitions of winning this thing? My gawd, some people oppose us and terrorists are pouring into Iraq! Oh me oh my. We can&#8217;t go anywhere without resistance! It&#8217;s futile!</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it mean anything to people like you that we are now seeing the face of the enemy, and learning how he operates? And how important it is to him that his land of jihad be defended? Did you even read Zarqawi&#8217;s memo? Would you rather be surprised at some future time when an administration with no experience fighting these guys is left with no choice but to take them on wherever that may be? What a shock that would be.</p>
<p>The bottom line is I&#8217;d rather the fighting occurs in Iraq than here. Anywhere in the Middle East, in fact, rather than here. Keep them busy. Very very busy.</p>
<p></b></p>
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