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		<title>By: John Lynch</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/11/bad-fiction/#comment-20708</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched Fox News late last night and saw a guy citing a social research study &quot;scientifically accurate,&quot; that rate the MSM TV coverage of the debates.  Essentially supporting the Halperin bias, except it is wider. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediatenor.com/index1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched Fox News late last night and saw a guy citing a social research study &#8220;scientifically accurate,&#8221; that rate the MSM TV coverage of the debates.  Essentially supporting the Halperin bias, except it is wider. <a href="http://www.mediatenor.com/index1.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matteo</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/11/bad-fiction/#comment-20707</link>
		<dc:creator>Matteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Max&lt;/b&gt;



&quot;Many people simply do the opposite of what the msm wants them to do because they know that the msm has said everything negative that it can find about the side the msm is opposed to, but they know they haven&#039;t been told about the negatives about the side the msm supports.&quot;



Yes. I&#039;ve often thought that if you were a Martian who came down to Earth and knew nothing more that one side was under constant, unrelenting, intense scrutiny, while the other side was never examined in any effective way at all, you&#039;d want to vote for the first side, for reasons of accountability alone...






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Max</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Many people simply do the opposite of what the msm wants them to do because they know that the msm has said everything negative that it can find about the side the msm is opposed to, but they know they haven&#8217;t been told about the negatives about the side the msm supports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. I&#8217;ve often thought that if you were a Martian who came down to Earth and knew nothing more that one side was under constant, unrelenting, intense scrutiny, while the other side was never examined in any effective way at all, you&#8217;d want to vote for the first side, for reasons of accountability alone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Clayton</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/11/bad-fiction/#comment-20706</link>
		<dc:creator>John Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People looking for complete truth about complex stories on the network news shows, regardless of their slant, are going to be disappointed.  It&#039;s probably more fun to see what Hollywood has given us on the subject, going all the back to 1933, the Ben Hecht play &quot;The Front Page&quot;, first in film in My Girl Friday, remade in the 70&#039;s with Lemmon and Matthau, then converted to a television scenario in the 80&#039;s as &quot;Switching Channels&quot; with Burt Reynolds and Kathleen Turner.  Of course there&#039;s Broadcast News and Network, two great satirical looks at the tv news industry, whose premises haven&#039;t lost their edge or timeliness.



Anyone who thinks that the networks regularly slant right or left misses the point:  they are about making money, and over the last two decades fluff has replaced hard news.   What hard news still being reported is either of the &quot;if it bleeds, it leads&quot; genre, or a &quot;he said&quot; kind of reporting that ignores facts and research and puts talking heads on screen.  There are some exceptions- PBS Frontline, Nightline, 60 Minutes.



The upshot?   TV is excellent for breaking news when you can&#039;t or don&#039;t want to wait.  But for a roundup of the day&#039;s news or a long term, thoughtful analysis, you&#039;ve got to read- hopefully while keeping a skeptical eye and an open mind.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People looking for complete truth about complex stories on the network news shows, regardless of their slant, are going to be disappointed.  It&#8217;s probably more fun to see what Hollywood has given us on the subject, going all the back to 1933, the Ben Hecht play &#8220;The Front Page&#8221;, first in film in My Girl Friday, remade in the 70&#8217;s with Lemmon and Matthau, then converted to a television scenario in the 80&#8217;s as &#8220;Switching Channels&#8221; with Burt Reynolds and Kathleen Turner.  Of course there&#8217;s Broadcast News and Network, two great satirical looks at the tv news industry, whose premises haven&#8217;t lost their edge or timeliness.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks that the networks regularly slant right or left misses the point:  they are about making money, and over the last two decades fluff has replaced hard news.   What hard news still being reported is either of the &#8220;if it bleeds, it leads&#8221; genre, or a &#8220;he said&#8221; kind of reporting that ignores facts and research and puts talking heads on screen.  There are some exceptions- PBS Frontline, Nightline, 60 Minutes.</p>
<p>The upshot?   TV is excellent for breaking news when you can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to wait.  But for a roundup of the day&#8217;s news or a long term, thoughtful analysis, you&#8217;ve got to read- hopefully while keeping a skeptical eye and an open mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/11/bad-fiction/#comment-20705</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halperin was on TV with Stephanopolous and the memo didn&#039;t come up?  Where is Claude Rains when you need him, for I am &lt;i&gt;shocked!&lt;/i&gt;



FYI, in 1992, Halperin was covering Clinton and producing for ABCNews.  Halperin passed a copy of that letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes about avoiding the draft and loathing the military to... yes, you guessed it, Stephanopolous.  ABCNews then sat on the story for a while.  Then Clinton went on &quot;Nightline&quot; to defuse the issue, because he had time to get his story straight.



And Halperin got promoted when Hal Bruno retired.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halperin was on TV with Stephanopolous and the memo didn&#8217;t come up?  Where is Claude Rains when you need him, for I am <i>shocked!</i></p>
<p>FYI, in 1992, Halperin was covering Clinton and producing for ABCNews.  Halperin passed a copy of that letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes about avoiding the draft and loathing the military to&#8230; yes, you guessed it, Stephanopolous.  ABCNews then sat on the story for a while.  Then Clinton went on &#8220;Nightline&#8221; to defuse the issue, because he had time to get his story straight.</p>
<p>And Halperin got promoted when Hal Bruno retired.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halperin was on TV with Stephanopolous and the memo didn&#039;t come up?  Where is Claude Rains when you need him, for I am &lt;i&gt;shocked!&lt;/i&gt;



FYI, in 1992, Halperin was covering Clinton and producing for ABCNews.  Halperin passed a copy of that letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes about avoiding the draft and loathing the military to... yes, you guessed it, Stephanopolous.  ABCNews then sat on the story for a while.  Then Clinton went on &quot;Nightline&quot; to defuse the issue, because he had time to get his story straight.



And Halperin got promoted when Hal Bruno retired.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halperin was on TV with Stephanopolous and the memo didn&#8217;t come up?  Where is Claude Rains when you need him, for I am <i>shocked!</i></p>
<p>FYI, in 1992, Halperin was covering Clinton and producing for ABCNews.  Halperin passed a copy of that letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes about avoiding the draft and loathing the military to&#8230; yes, you guessed it, Stephanopolous.  ABCNews then sat on the story for a while.  Then Clinton went on &#8220;Nightline&#8221; to defuse the issue, because he had time to get his story straight.</p>
<p>And Halperin got promoted when Hal Bruno retired.</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flenser ó I&#039;m sure Bush is aware of the rot on the campuses.  But he isn&#039;t running against tenured professors.  He&#039;s got to deal with what&#039;s in front of him.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flenser ó I&#8217;m sure Bush is aware of the rot on the campuses.  But he isn&#8217;t running against tenured professors.  He&#8217;s got to deal with what&#8217;s in front of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one should be surprised by the memo.  No one should be surprised by the fact that the memo did not come up on &quot;This Week&quot; with George Stephanopoulos.



In 1992, while covering the Clinton campaign and producing for ABCNews, Halperin passed Stephanopoulos a copy of the famous letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes, thanking him for helping Clinton avoid the draft and blathering about loathing the military.  ABCNews then sat on the story until the Clinton campaign could get their story together.



At least, that&#039;s the story presented in &lt;i&gt;Strange Bedfellows,&lt;/i&gt; by Tom Rosenstiel (no right-winger, he).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one should be surprised by the memo.  No one should be surprised by the fact that the memo did not come up on &#8220;This Week&#8221; with George Stephanopoulos.</p>
<p>In 1992, while covering the Clinton campaign and producing for ABCNews, Halperin passed Stephanopoulos a copy of the famous letter Clinton wrote to Col. Holmes, thanking him for helping Clinton avoid the draft and blathering about loathing the military.  ABCNews then sat on the story until the Clinton campaign could get their story together.</p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s the story presented in <i>Strange Bedfellows,</i> by Tom Rosenstiel (no right-winger, he).</p>
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		<title>By: rumblestrip</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger



You say that you would like to see the MSM upeneded and destroyed. The MSM has simply eaten the fruit of the poison tree. Others have eaten of the tree: the U.N, Europe, many third world countries, my beloved Canada, and almost all of your cultural institutions. Now, it would appear, that the Democratic Party is about to do the same.



This poison tree has a name: International Socialism. This is as dangerous a utopian scheme as has ever been devised and is a stealth ideology, wrapping itself in many guises before it reveals its true self.



Canada succumbed in 1968 by being in the thrall of a charasmatic socialist named Pierre Trudeau. Don&#039;t let this happen to you. Your problem is not John Kerry. Your problem, in my opinion, is most likely to be Hillary Clinton, who, if the Democrats bite, will step up and take a bite ,too.



Socialism is your real enemy. Hack at the root, not at the branches.



P.S. If I seem presumptuous in commenting about American affairs, I would say in my own defence, that my late father was an American as is 95% of may family.
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<p>You say that you would like to see the MSM upeneded and destroyed. The MSM has simply eaten the fruit of the poison tree. Others have eaten of the tree: the U.N, Europe, many third world countries, my beloved Canada, and almost all of your cultural institutions. Now, it would appear, that the Democratic Party is about to do the same.</p>
<p>This poison tree has a name: International Socialism. This is as dangerous a utopian scheme as has ever been devised and is a stealth ideology, wrapping itself in many guises before it reveals its true self.</p>
<p>Canada succumbed in 1968 by being in the thrall of a charasmatic socialist named Pierre Trudeau. Don&#8217;t let this happen to you. Your problem is not John Kerry. Your problem, in my opinion, is most likely to be Hillary Clinton, who, if the Democrats bite, will step up and take a bite ,too.</p>
<p>Socialism is your real enemy. Hack at the root, not at the branches.</p>
<p>P.S. If I seem presumptuous in commenting about American affairs, I would say in my own defence, that my late father was an American as is 95% of may family.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. The mainstream media is the most dishonest, corrupt and arrogant institution in American public life today.



They don&#039;t understand how their approach hurts rather than helps their &#039;side&#039;:



Many people simply do the opposite of what the msm wants them to do because they know that the msm has said everything negative that it can find about the side the msm is opposed to, but they know they haven&#039;t been told about the negatives about the side the msm supports.



What Bush negatives have we not been told about  by the msm? My guess is none. What Kerry negatives have we not been told about by the msm? I can name a few - Cambodia, medals, pitiful Senate record, but what others have I missed that the msm has refused to report? I prefer to support the guy whose negatives are disclosed over the guy whose negatives are concealed.



2. What people want is an &#039;unbiased&#039; media, not a conservative partisan media - we want a media that reports the full story on both sides of the equation so that we can make truly informed decisions.



3. I hope and pray that the msm is as traumatized on Nov 3rd as Australia&#039;s msm is right now. (If anythin they&#039;re worse than ours from what I see on the web.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The mainstream media is the most dishonest, corrupt and arrogant institution in American public life today.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t understand how their approach hurts rather than helps their &#8217;side&#8217;:</p>
<p>Many people simply do the opposite of what the msm wants them to do because they know that the msm has said everything negative that it can find about the side the msm is opposed to, but they know they haven&#8217;t been told about the negatives about the side the msm supports.</p>
<p>What Bush negatives have we not been told about  by the msm? My guess is none. What Kerry negatives have we not been told about by the msm? I can name a few &#8211; Cambodia, medals, pitiful Senate record, but what others have I missed that the msm has refused to report? I prefer to support the guy whose negatives are disclosed over the guy whose negatives are concealed.</p>
<p>2. What people want is an &#8216;unbiased&#8217; media, not a conservative partisan media &#8211; we want a media that reports the full story on both sides of the equation so that we can make truly informed decisions.</p>
<p>3. I hope and pray that the msm is as traumatized on Nov 3rd as Australia&#8217;s msm is right now. (If anythin they&#8217;re worse than ours from what I see on the web.)</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie:



I have seen pressure sores in the very old and the very ill. For instance when people stop eating often times the lack of nutrition helps lead to tissue breakdown. And sometimes in long term care facilities when the old are suffering death by inches it can happen. I saw an elderly woman whose skin became so fragile she could only be moved with a sheet, any direct pressure on her skin could cause a tear.



But Christopher Reeve was a 52 year old quad. Someone should have seen this before it got that bad. It could be that it came up so quickly and got bad so fast that the infection could not be stopped, but  we have had a number of quads and none of them has ever had anything like this happen to them.



And for Edwards to drag it into the campaign is despicable. An interesting note, most of the quads I know do not support embryonic stem cell research. They prefer to see support for adult stem cell research. I think once you have come as close to dying as these folks have it can often change your views about what life is about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie:</p>
<p>I have seen pressure sores in the very old and the very ill. For instance when people stop eating often times the lack of nutrition helps lead to tissue breakdown. And sometimes in long term care facilities when the old are suffering death by inches it can happen. I saw an elderly woman whose skin became so fragile she could only be moved with a sheet, any direct pressure on her skin could cause a tear.</p>
<p>But Christopher Reeve was a 52 year old quad. Someone should have seen this before it got that bad. It could be that it came up so quickly and got bad so fast that the infection could not be stopped, but  we have had a number of quads and none of them has ever had anything like this happen to them.</p>
<p>And for Edwards to drag it into the campaign is despicable. An interesting note, most of the quads I know do not support embryonic stem cell research. They prefer to see support for adult stem cell research. I think once you have come as close to dying as these folks have it can often change your views about what life is about.</p>
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