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		<title>By: Byron00</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/11/memri-the-real-media/#comment-20785</link>
		<dc:creator>Byron00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. The psychiatric term, I am correctly informed, is &#039;folie a deux&#039;.  Pas de deux is used in social psychology to describe certain kinds of mutually reinforcing and problematic two-person interaction patterns, as can become elaborated between, for example, a husband and wife, or a parent and child.  Maddening perhaps, but not madness.



I blame this misunderstanding entirely on the French.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. The psychiatric term, I am correctly informed, is &#8216;folie a deux&#8217;.  Pas de deux is used in social psychology to describe certain kinds of mutually reinforcing and problematic two-person interaction patterns, as can become elaborated between, for example, a husband and wife, or a parent and child.  Maddening perhaps, but not madness.</p>
<p>I blame this misunderstanding entirely on the French.</p>
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		<title>By: Byron00</title>
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		<dc:creator>Byron00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Pas de deux&#039; is a psychiatric term for the conjoined madness of two people.  What should we call the conjoined madness of millions?  &#039;Pas de l&#039;abattoir&#039; ?  &#039;Pas de mort&#039; ?  In our own society, of course, we have people who believe in abductions by space aliens and much more.  The difference is that the larger culture does not support such paranoid nonsense.  But imagine if it did.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Pas de deux&#8217; is a psychiatric term for the conjoined madness of two people.  What should we call the conjoined madness of millions?  &#8216;Pas de l&#8217;abattoir&#8217; ?  &#8216;Pas de mort&#8217; ?  In our own society, of course, we have people who believe in abductions by space aliens and much more.  The difference is that the larger culture does not support such paranoid nonsense.  But imagine if it did.</p>
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		<title>By: chriss</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two fascinating aspects of this guy&#039;s rant:

First it shows that Middle East despots are looking over their shoulder, concerned about a US-led regime change. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

Second, he first says the fact that Israel blames al Qaeda and not the Palestinians is proof that Israel is behind the attack. Then he says that Israel will use this as justification to attack Palestinians outside of Israel. Lunatic, but sadly not fringe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two fascinating aspects of this guy&#8217;s rant:</p>
<p>First it shows that Middle East despots are looking over their shoulder, concerned about a US-led regime change. THIS IS A GOOD THING.</p>
<p>Second, he first says the fact that Israel blames al Qaeda and not the Palestinians is proof that Israel is behind the attack. Then he says that Israel will use this as justification to attack Palestinians outside of Israel. Lunatic, but sadly not fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that logic is also sadly lacking.

As Eurabian Times posts:

http://www.eurabiantimes.com/archives/2004/10/let_us_put_troo_1.php



&quot;Let us put troops into buffer zone, Egyptians urge&quot;



in which he comments on a Telegraph story.



How stupid it is to provide the Egyptians with an excuse to have tanks up on the border again.

Especially after the frigid peace they entered into for all these years.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that logic is also sadly lacking.</p>
<p>As Eurabian Times posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eurabiantimes.com/archives/2004/10/let_us_put_troo_1.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurabiantimes.com/archives/2004/10/let_us_put_troo_1.php</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Let us put troops into buffer zone, Egyptians urge&#8221;</p>
<p>in which he comments on a Telegraph story.</p>
<p>How stupid it is to provide the Egyptians with an excuse to have tanks up on the border again.</p>
<p>Especially after the frigid peace they entered into for all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Boston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Boston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a wierd theory, not on who caused Taba, but on the outcome precipitated by it. Don&#039;t pay any attention to what anybody says but watch what they do.



Egypt will militarize the Sinai, and then Gaza as the Israelis withdraw. Not to confront Israel, but to cover its back when Israel simultaneously moves the IDF into the Bekka, and possibly southern Syria (depending on Assad&#039;s moves), while the Israeli AF takes out the Iranian nuclear weapons sites.



Timing would be after the January election in Iraq. The two things to watch for that would keep this crazy idea alive would be the buildup of Egyptian troops in the Sinai with no corresponding Israeli response, and the movement of multiple US carrier battle groups to the Persian Gulf area before the end of the year. The Islamists will counter with assassination attempts on Mubarak&#039;s successor-son. Assad is in the game if he withdraws the bulk of Syrian forces from Lebanon to just over the border in Syria where they would block Hizbu&#039;allah/Al Qaeda escape routes.



Both Egypt and Syria have had love-hate relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood (Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad). Mubarak wants to pass power to his son. Assad wants to stay in power. They both must be feeling a bigger threat from the Muslim Brotherhood than the Cowboy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a wierd theory, not on who caused Taba, but on the outcome precipitated by it. Don&#8217;t pay any attention to what anybody says but watch what they do.</p>
<p>Egypt will militarize the Sinai, and then Gaza as the Israelis withdraw. Not to confront Israel, but to cover its back when Israel simultaneously moves the IDF into the Bekka, and possibly southern Syria (depending on Assad&#8217;s moves), while the Israeli AF takes out the Iranian nuclear weapons sites.</p>
<p>Timing would be after the January election in Iraq. The two things to watch for that would keep this crazy idea alive would be the buildup of Egyptian troops in the Sinai with no corresponding Israeli response, and the movement of multiple US carrier battle groups to the Persian Gulf area before the end of the year. The Islamists will counter with assassination attempts on Mubarak&#8217;s successor-son. Assad is in the game if he withdraws the bulk of Syrian forces from Lebanon to just over the border in Syria where they would block Hizbu&#8217;allah/Al Qaeda escape routes.</p>
<p>Both Egypt and Syria have had love-hate relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood (Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad). Mubarak wants to pass power to his son. Assad wants to stay in power. They both must be feeling a bigger threat from the Muslim Brotherhood than the Cowboy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Ballard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is why the Arabs will go nowhere until these autocracies are overthrown.&lt;/i&gt;



Jamie, I don&#039;t think that just overthrowing autocrats will do it. The longer I look at the practice of the central tenets of Islam the less likely I think it possible that representative democracy can flourish. Why has India been stable (more or less) since the British withdrawal and Pakistan has been unable to achieve stability? Turkey is the only Islamic democracy extant today and even there the militants make continuing secular government problematic. I&#039;m very leary of the &lt;i&gt;projection&lt;/i&gt; aspect of this from our side as well as from theirs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is why the Arabs will go nowhere until these autocracies are overthrown.</i></p>
<p>Jamie, I don&#8217;t think that just overthrowing autocrats will do it. The longer I look at the practice of the central tenets of Islam the less likely I think it possible that representative democracy can flourish. Why has India been stable (more or less) since the British withdrawal and Pakistan has been unable to achieve stability? Turkey is the only Islamic democracy extant today and even there the militants make continuing secular government problematic. I&#8217;m very leary of the <i>projection</i> aspect of this from our side as well as from theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Irons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Irons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;mrp&lt;/b&gt;



&lt;i&gt;No, the important thing is for Dr. Rashwan and the other talking heads blathering on Egyptian state television NOT to blame the bombings on the Egyptian government, or mention lax security, corrupt officials, non-existent emergency planning, and general incompetence.&lt;/i&gt;





Exactly. This is why the Arabs will go nowhere until these autocracies are overthrown.



Jamie Irons


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<p><i>No, the important thing is for Dr. Rashwan and the other talking heads blathering on Egyptian state television NOT to blame the bombings on the Egyptian government, or mention lax security, corrupt officials, non-existent emergency planning, and general incompetence.</i></p>
<p>Exactly. This is why the Arabs will go nowhere until these autocracies are overthrown.</p>
<p>Jamie Irons</p>
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		<title>By: mrp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Rashwan interview:



&lt;i&gt; The main goals of this operation are as follows: First, to convince the world that Egypt is not a stable country ...&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;Second, [the attack] gives Sharon a green light not only to strike the Palestinians in the occupied territories under the pretext of fighting terrorism, but also a legitimate justification for striking the Palestinians abroad because Israeli citizens were attacked abroad.&lt;/i&gt;





This is pretty much boilerplate buck-passing as practiced in the autocratic Middle East.  The important thing in these interviews is not whether the viewers actually believe that the Israeli government would kill Israeli men, women, and children.  No, the important thing is for Dr. Rashwan and the other talking heads blathering on Egyptian state television NOT to blame the bombings on the Egyptian government, or mention  lax security, corrupt officials, non-existent emergency planning, and general incompetence.



Considering the consequences, for Rashwan to be honest and blame the Egyptian security services for the attack would be unthinkable.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Rashwan interview:</p>
<p><i> The main goals of this operation are as follows: First, to convince the world that Egypt is not a stable country &#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>Second, [the attack] gives Sharon a green light not only to strike the Palestinians in the occupied territories under the pretext of fighting terrorism, but also a legitimate justification for striking the Palestinians abroad because Israeli citizens were attacked abroad.</i></p>
<p>This is pretty much boilerplate buck-passing as practiced in the autocratic Middle East.  The important thing in these interviews is not whether the viewers actually believe that the Israeli government would kill Israeli men, women, and children.  No, the important thing is for Dr. Rashwan and the other talking heads blathering on Egyptian state television NOT to blame the bombings on the Egyptian government, or mention  lax security, corrupt officials, non-existent emergency planning, and general incompetence.</p>
<p>Considering the consequences, for Rashwan to be honest and blame the Egyptian security services for the attack would be unthinkable.</p>
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		<title>By: mrp</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSM credibility seems to be cratering across The Pond, too.  For the first time, the Telegraph Group has pulled a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Steyn&lt;/a&gt; column.



Mr. Steyn courageously posted the op-ed piece at his website.  A hard-hitting, biting bit of prose that tries to knock some sense into the somnambulant British commentariat.  Shades of 1938, I think.  They have eyes, but cannot see.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSM credibility seems to be cratering across The Pond, too.  For the first time, the Telegraph Group has pulled a <a href="http://www.steynonline.com/index2.cfm?edit_id=22" rel="nofollow">Mark Steyn</a> column.</p>
<p>Mr. Steyn courageously posted the op-ed piece at his website.  A hard-hitting, biting bit of prose that tries to knock some sense into the somnambulant British commentariat.  Shades of 1938, I think.  They have eyes, but cannot see.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore ( Useful Fools )</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore ( Useful Fools )</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rarely read MEMRI any more. The odds of finding an interesting article rather than insane ranting are low.



I have no idea how MEMRI selects which articles to translate.



In any case, if you want to find out how crazy many in the media in the middle east are, or their rulers want them to be, MEMRI is a great resource.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rarely read MEMRI any more. The odds of finding an interesting article rather than insane ranting are low.</p>
<p>I have no idea how MEMRI selects which articles to translate.</p>
<p>In any case, if you want to find out how crazy many in the media in the middle east are, or their rulers want them to be, MEMRI is a great resource.</p>
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