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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-suic1107,0,2157220,print.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Now this is just &lt;i&gt;nuts&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-suic1107,0,2157220,print.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines" rel="nofollow">Now this is just <i>nuts</i>.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>richard mcenroe&#8212;



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roger&#8212;



Have you ever met E. L. Doctorow?  I&#039;d come here last night to trash &lt;i&gt;Gangs of New York&lt;/i&gt;, praise &lt;i&gt;The Alienist&lt;/i&gt; and mention Doctorow&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Waterworks&lt;/i&gt; and then decided that it was all off-topic.  I think Doctorow&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Ragtime&lt;/i&gt; is, so far as I can judge, the best historical novel of my lifetime. I&#039;ve always wanted to ask him if he did look through Houdini&#039;s private, unpublished papers and find the &quot;one genuine mystical experience of his [Houdini&#039;s] life.&quot;








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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richard mcenroe&mdash;</p>
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<p>Have you ever met E. L. Doctorow?  I&#8217;d come here last night to trash <i>Gangs of New York</i>, praise <i>The Alienist</i> and mention Doctorow&#8217;s <i>Waterworks</i> and then decided that it was all off-topic.  I think Doctorow&#8217;s <i>Ragtime</i> is, so far as I can judge, the best historical novel of my lifetime. I&#8217;ve always wanted to ask him if he did look through Houdini&#8217;s private, unpublished papers and find the &#8220;one genuine mystical experience of his [Houdini's] life.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinaberry Tree -- They weren&#039;t observers of human nature.  They lived it and embraced it, instead of standing off eyeballing it and making comments, as would be the done thing in NY, SF or LA.



Semi-irked here, Roger.  Based on that editorial, I would  be delighted to dismiss any writer as at best a facile technician with no significant insight into human nature.  But you stand up for her books, so I will have to check out at least one.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinaberry Tree &#8212; They weren&#8217;t observers of human nature.  They lived it and embraced it, instead of standing off eyeballing it and making comments, as would be the done thing in NY, SF or LA.</p>
<p>Semi-irked here, Roger.  Based on that editorial, I would  be delighted to dismiss any writer as at best a facile technician with no significant insight into human nature.  But you stand up for her books, so I will have to check out at least one.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smiley&#039;s asinine comments remind me of why I stopped reading the biographies of writers I admire. I was not depressed by their often messy personal lives,but by their frequently naive political beliefs.  One of the more disheartening books I&#039;ve ever read is Paul Johnson&#039;s &quot;Intellectuals,&quot; in which the political foolishness of writers from Rousseau to Mailer is mercilessly dissected.  If I was a more mature reader, I suppose I could separate erring human beings from their work,  but I guess I&#039;m not sophisticated enough.  Doestovesky&#039;s anti-Semitism casts a shadow over his work as far as I&#039;m concerned, just as Neruda&#039;s enthusiatic shilling for Stalin lowers him as a man and a poet in my estimation.



In general, the political beliefs of writers are no more to be trusted than the political beliefs of Hollywood actors, although writers will (for the most part) be more articulate in expressing themselves.



Roger L. Simon is, as this blog proves, an exception to the rule.  So is Jamie Irons, who is clearly a mensch as well as being a very  fine poet.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smiley&#8217;s asinine comments remind me of why I stopped reading the biographies of writers I admire. I was not depressed by their often messy personal lives,but by their frequently naive political beliefs.  One of the more disheartening books I&#8217;ve ever read is Paul Johnson&#8217;s &#8220;Intellectuals,&#8221; in which the political foolishness of writers from Rousseau to Mailer is mercilessly dissected.  If I was a more mature reader, I suppose I could separate erring human beings from their work,  but I guess I&#8217;m not sophisticated enough.  Doestovesky&#8217;s anti-Semitism casts a shadow over his work as far as I&#8217;m concerned, just as Neruda&#8217;s enthusiatic shilling for Stalin lowers him as a man and a poet in my estimation.</p>
<p>In general, the political beliefs of writers are no more to be trusted than the political beliefs of Hollywood actors, although writers will (for the most part) be more articulate in expressing themselves.</p>
<p>Roger L. Simon is, as this blog proves, an exception to the rule.  So is Jamie Irons, who is clearly a mensch as well as being a very  fine poet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested to see this on Roger&#039;s site - though no surprise, given his sharp eye on the net and media.



As I commented in my own blog, please take another read of Ms. Smiley&#039;s article.  Her pain and bitterness are so evident, it is hard to read it and not see the damaged child inside.  By no means does this sit her in the clear for such ridiculous charges against conservatives, but her editor should also use more sense.  Her raw emotion should not be on display.  It affords her no dignity, and skews her judgment.  For more of my comments, please see my entry on my blog....but take another look.  While her language is certainly offensive, you have to feel sorry for her, too.  Apparently she is a very successful novelist - yet she has not moved past her bad experiences in religion to be able to see the world clearly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested to see this on Roger&#8217;s site &#8211; though no surprise, given his sharp eye on the net and media.</p>
<p>As I commented in my own blog, please take another read of Ms. Smiley&#8217;s article.  Her pain and bitterness are so evident, it is hard to read it and not see the damaged child inside.  By no means does this sit her in the clear for such ridiculous charges against conservatives, but her editor should also use more sense.  Her raw emotion should not be on display.  It affords her no dignity, and skews her judgment.  For more of my comments, please see my entry on my blog&#8230;.but take another look.  While her language is certainly offensive, you have to feel sorry for her, too.  Apparently she is a very successful novelist &#8211; yet she has not moved past her bad experiences in religion to be able to see the world clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrary to the common wisdom of the MainStreamMedia©, the Democrat party, P.Diddy, Michael Moore &amp; John Kerry, the youth vote did not turn out in this election, even after much stroking, free underwear, and Paris Hilton threatening them to &quot;Vote or Die&quot; (presumably by some STD?). With the advent of Universal Internet Voting upon us, we here at docweasel.com have come up with a format that will guarantee more youth participation in the 2008 election by using an interface that is familiar and popular with the kids today.



&lt;a href=&quot;http://docweasel.com/clean4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Youth Vote&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrary to the common wisdom of the MainStreamMedia©, the Democrat party, P.Diddy, Michael Moore &amp; John Kerry, the youth vote did not turn out in this election, even after much stroking, free underwear, and Paris Hilton threatening them to &#8220;Vote or Die&#8221; (presumably by some STD?). With the advent of Universal Internet Voting upon us, we here at docweasel.com have come up with a format that will guarantee more youth participation in the 2008 election by using an interface that is familiar and popular with the kids today.</p>
<p><a href="http://docweasel.com/clean4.html" rel="nofollow">Youth Vote</a></p>
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		<title>By: lindenen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This series should really be titled &quot;Why Democrats Hate Americans&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This series should really be titled &#8220;Why Democrats Hate Americans&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: sheraton</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheraton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another example of why the Democrats lost, I think: their public figures and advocates are just unpleasant and despicable!  Michael Moore, the idiotic pro-Kerry celebrities, Al Sharpton, Kerry cursing a secret service agent (whom we taxpayers pay to protect him) on the ski slopes, John Edwards&#039; lawyer-like, hyperbolic closing statementish riffs, Terry Macauliffe, Ted Rall, Ted Kennedy ... I never thought the day would come when I would find so many people who are so much MORE nauseating than Bill Clinton!  I am coming to believe the Clintons have been brilliant in their avoidance of connections to this Democratic campaign.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another example of why the Democrats lost, I think: their public figures and advocates are just unpleasant and despicable!  Michael Moore, the idiotic pro-Kerry celebrities, Al Sharpton, Kerry cursing a secret service agent (whom we taxpayers pay to protect him) on the ski slopes, John Edwards&#8217; lawyer-like, hyperbolic closing statementish riffs, Terry Macauliffe, Ted Rall, Ted Kennedy &#8230; I never thought the day would come when I would find so many people who are so much MORE nauseating than Bill Clinton!  I am coming to believe the Clintons have been brilliant in their avoidance of connections to this Democratic campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Quattuor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quattuor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, a work of art is supposed to be selective, not only to clarify &amp; reveal processes of the real amid the clutter, but also to avoid an unneeded clutter of constraints. The literary writer who starts penning straightforward historical &amp; social criticism is on very different turf than the novelist. Such a writer, treating THE world as just another artistic world, as if the writer had produced it, is like an unwitting tourist in a dangerous foreign place.



In &lt;i&gt;Imaginative Qualities of Actual Things,&lt;/i&gt; Gilbert Sorrentino said: ìAll these people are follow-the-dots pictures -- all harsh angles that the mind alone can apprehend because we have already seen their natural counterparts. Iím saying that if you know Leo, youíll see him plain. If not, youíll see what I let you see. The beauty of fiction is that it goes two ways, at least. Out, into the world of the readerís experience and in, into the stringencies of the writerís tyranny. The more harshly the latter is exercised, the purer the prose, so that as Ford builds his overwhelming lie, Christopher Tietjens, we move, with each word, into a realm of total truth. More real than the most meticulous conversation of John OíHara. Prose will

kill you if you give it an inch, i.e., if you try and substitute it for the world.î
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, a work of art is supposed to be selective, not only to clarify &amp; reveal processes of the real amid the clutter, but also to avoid an unneeded clutter of constraints. The literary writer who starts penning straightforward historical &amp; social criticism is on very different turf than the novelist. Such a writer, treating THE world as just another artistic world, as if the writer had produced it, is like an unwitting tourist in a dangerous foreign place.</p>
<p>In <i>Imaginative Qualities of Actual Things,</i> Gilbert Sorrentino said: ìAll these people are follow-the-dots pictures &#8212; all harsh angles that the mind alone can apprehend because we have already seen their natural counterparts. Iím saying that if you know Leo, youíll see him plain. If not, youíll see what I let you see. The beauty of fiction is that it goes two ways, at least. Out, into the world of the readerís experience and in, into the stringencies of the writerís tyranny. The more harshly the latter is exercised, the purer the prose, so that as Ford builds his overwhelming lie, Christopher Tietjens, we move, with each word, into a realm of total truth. More real than the most meticulous conversation of John OíHara. Prose will</p>
<p>kill you if you give it an inch, i.e., if you try and substitute it for the world.î</p>
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		<title>By: Quattuor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quattuor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2004 01:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Roger is being charitable.



Works of science vary in scope, but on a certain level every such work tends toward the universal.



Works of art, on a certain level, tend instead toward universesóif one can understand a &lt;i&gt;universe&lt;/i&gt;, a gamut, the ìtotal,î as a scope just like the universal, the singular, the special, etc.



A work of art develops its own universe of ìdiscourse,î its own modality as a budding off of others, those of its genre or tradition or vein or whatever, its own overall tone or tonality or keeping, in which the parts take on special &amp; vibrant meaning, kinds &amp; qualities of feeling. Now, of course, any work of architecture, engineering, medicine, science, math, etc., sets up its own universe of discourse to some extent. But a work of aesthetic art takes this very much farther.



This doesnít mean that the work will necessarily seem to be in its own hermetic &amp; separate world. Some works seem that way, while others seem like open windows on parts of our world, &amp; some even seem orphically to infuse the everyday world with life &amp; existence. One does appreciate accuracies of feeling in the work. And the ìpartsî &amp; ìmaterialsî of the work may include actual things simply as mentioned &amp; left to a reader to imagine or remember, so the work does reach out to incorporate, in that sense, actual parts of the world, &amp; &lt;i&gt;thereby subjects itself to constraints observable at work in the work&lt;/i&gt;. E.g., ìthe gently rolling hills of Vermontî would sound pretty stupid except maybe in a science-fiction novel.



If such simple factual inaccuracies about singular cases can weaken a work of art, so can other kinds, though artists, herding together with those of similar education, sometimes lose sight of this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Roger is being charitable.</p>
<p>Works of science vary in scope, but on a certain level every such work tends toward the universal.</p>
<p>Works of art, on a certain level, tend instead toward universesóif one can understand a <i>universe</i>, a gamut, the ìtotal,î as a scope just like the universal, the singular, the special, etc.</p>
<p>A work of art develops its own universe of ìdiscourse,î its own modality as a budding off of others, those of its genre or tradition or vein or whatever, its own overall tone or tonality or keeping, in which the parts take on special &amp; vibrant meaning, kinds &amp; qualities of feeling. Now, of course, any work of architecture, engineering, medicine, science, math, etc., sets up its own universe of discourse to some extent. But a work of aesthetic art takes this very much farther.</p>
<p>This doesnít mean that the work will necessarily seem to be in its own hermetic &amp; separate world. Some works seem that way, while others seem like open windows on parts of our world, &amp; some even seem orphically to infuse the everyday world with life &amp; existence. One does appreciate accuracies of feeling in the work. And the ìpartsî &amp; ìmaterialsî of the work may include actual things simply as mentioned &amp; left to a reader to imagine or remember, so the work does reach out to incorporate, in that sense, actual parts of the world, &amp; <i>thereby subjects itself to constraints observable at work in the work</i>. E.g., ìthe gently rolling hills of Vermontî would sound pretty stupid except maybe in a science-fiction novel.</p>
<p>If such simple factual inaccuracies about singular cases can weaken a work of art, so can other kinds, though artists, herding together with those of similar education, sometimes lose sight of this.</p>
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